Lilia training Aisha to serve Rudy isn’t as weird as it sounds, well depending on what you mean by “serve” I suppose, one has to remember this is a semi-feudal medieval society, common people don’t go to schools and children generally apprentice to their parents’ occupation, so servants and other occupations could be a multi-generational job for some people.
Not to mention serving nobles (depending on the noble) is alot safer since their homes are more secure remember this is a world with monsters who commonly attack villages.
Here's a detail: Her context for service is with Asuran nobility. A class of people who've never seen their lands go to war for some four centuries. If they'd have cinema in that world, they'd consider Caligula boring and vanilla. For them a maid being "available" at all times is common sense.
Kinda sad that everyone recognizes both Lilla and Aisha as members of the family but Lilla just acts and treats themselves as just servants of the greyrat house. Aisha is pauls daughter but lillas guilt prevents her from acting that way
This was common in both medieval European and Japanese cultures. Children made with mistresses or with the help weren't usually considered as part of the main family. They were bastards and essentially second-class members of the household if at all. Even if the father is accepting, a lot of the time everyone else isn't. Lilia kept herself and her daughter in the role of servitude in deference to Paul's wife. To fully move into the position as a fully-fledged member of the family would to be putting herself on the same level as her and seen as a further betrayal.
@@S0RA...I do believe it was the somewhat constant pressure from Zeniths mother and the constant comparison between Rudy, Aisha and Norn as Paul's children that kinda drove that home.
@@Talishar right, it depend on the culture and if you speaking concubine and wives. Since paul does not officially marry lilia mother (I think cause the religion they practice he can only have one wife?) She not consider at the same level
The entirety of the Greyrat family always have been bastards every single one. Rudeus is literally the most normal male Greyrat until he has kids, one of which is worse than Rudeus that being Ars who got with his Aunt Aisha at the age of 12 (Aisha is obviously the worse here she is a disgusting Diaper sniper). Rudeus as a baby was actually a menace though.
@@unicornpower2411 The Bruh Moment refers to what happened in Redundancy chapters in the web novel, after the main story had concluded, some 20 years after the current point of the story as it is in the anime. Let's raise the red flags that lead up to that that've already been shown in the timeframe of the anime and its backstory: >Lilia's sexual psychology and development was severely disrupted by Paul raping her when she was 14 (and him 12) and outright derailed by the social environment of the royal palace, which is rife with vice and debauchery. Think Caligula serving as a saturday morming cartoon territory of freaky. >Lilia's "common sense" as a maid from the Asuran court means that a maid is to be sexually available to her master at all times. >Lilia dedicates her life and the life of her child to the service of Rudeus for him having saved their lives. >Lilia educates Aisha to be Rudeus' personal maid pretty much from the cradle. >Aisha is staggeringly intelligent and shockingly precocious. >Her first cognizant meeting with Rudeus is with him being a dashing hero, much after hearing her mother describing his previous proclivities and her concluding the boy is a major perv. >Besides Lilia trying to instill Aisha to have loyalty to Rudeus from the cradle, it's only the rescue mission in Shirone that makes her respect him. This also becomes her brother complex. >Rudeus has no physical reactions concerning his little sister, as even with any lingering disconnect between his soul and the Six-Sided World, his body knows family. >On the way to her father, she jokes to her mother about becoming a servant to Rudeus' alias rather than to Rudeus, and seeking intimacy with him when she comes of age. Lilia thinks Aisha hasn't figured out they're the same person, but relents and tells her to do as she wishes instead of rigidly trying to railroad her. This moment of honesty and relenting from her strictness gets Aisha to stop her teasing. Anything beyond is spoiler territory: >Norn's grandmother rejects her as the bastard of a mistress who has no right to overshadow an actual blood member of the family, leading to her highly competitive and downright dismissive attitude against Norn. >Paul sends the sisters to Rudeus, and she finally gets fo perform the task she was born for. >From the start she has the occasional flirt with him, which he plays off as an inside joke or rebuffs her, considering the girl is about 10 and she's his half-sister. >After the Teleportation Labyrinth quest, Lilia resumes her education of Aisha and functions as the head maid of the house. >During a wives' night in, Lilia drunkenly complains about Rudeus not seeing Aisha as a woman and not making a move on her. >Aisha grows socially isolated in her job, while Norn blooms as something of a school idol, earning the respect of her fellow students. Not to say she lacks human contact outside the house, but it's all utilitarian and she has no peers in ability. >Rudeus and Eris have a son, whom Aisha dotes on from birth, having assisted in his birth. >Ars is born a booba man, and Aisha is developing to be as gifted as Lilia. She lets him suckle on her, despite not producing any milk. >As Aisha comes of age, it becomes increasingly clear she has no romantic prospects in the social circle she does have. Only friends and subordinates; people who respect and cherish her, but no peers who'd complete her. >Rudeus has a discussion with Aisha about how she feels about the implications of Lilia's teachings after her making a crass joke about them sharing a place to sleep. She tells him she hasn't sorted her feelings over it, but wouldn't be against it, should he *as her master* ask it of her. He explicitly tells her he sees her as his sister first snd foremost, and such would not take place. The consummation of her brocon tendencies is rendered impossible, and a clear clash against her lifelong education is introduced. >As Ars grows, she showers the boy with genuine affection and attention, bailing him out when he ends up in trouble. >Norn gets married. This is a shock to Aisha, as her half-sister has finally beaten her at something, and more importantly she understands that she doesn't really know what love is or who to be in love with. >As Ars turns 10, he looks so much like the boy who had saved her in her hour of need when she was a child. >Being a child, Ars is in the phase of not understanding love and marriage or how familial and romantic love are separate. He repeatedly tells Aisha he loves her. >Bruh Moment ensues. Rudeus catches them *wrestling* (without any folding chairs at that) on day 3 of the affair. He's the only one in the family to take major offence and displeasure with the act itself and its moral implications. The others are simply annoyed she'd felt the need to be dishonest and clandestine about it. The wives think Rudeus is being unreasonably obstinate or somehow feeling betrayed by Aisha.
Dude, I love the fact you provide so much more context without spoilers. Really appreciate all the work you put into your videos, it really cleared up a lot of the holes in Lilia's story I had no idea about. Hopefully i'll be able to read the light novels once I finally buy the ones I'm missing 🤣
He's a piece of shit, even anime watcher like myself can tell that. Many women hate him is somewhat a proof of it. He hit a jackpot with his wife tho, then make him turn a new leaf to become a better person overall
Imma cut into the royal maid part here. She not only "recovered" from her assault by Paul, but she saw his deed as innocent and trite in the context of the royal palace. Ariel at age 12 already had a well-established history of bisexual sadism against palace staff and daughters of minor nobles. In the WN she tried to assault Sylphy, but that seems to have been retconned in the LN and anime. That place is 400 years of Caligula on escalating loop. Perversions and kinks are fashion statements and status symbols for the nobility and royalty. Boreas being furries would be tame if it weren't for the demi-human trafficking. Notos being booba men is rather vanilla, but they're incorrigible womanizers with a fuzzy sense of the concept of consent (not to mention Luke is only 10 years younger than his father). Can't remember if it was Eurus or Zephyrus that was after young ikemen and shotas, but that brings to mind the noble Griffith cosied up to for money in Berserk. And then there's Darius. Paul shattered her, but the palace twisted her. And she transmitted this "common sense" to both Aisha and Sylphy through her education.
This is why I love your videos. You explain everything so well that it feels like your a college professor explaining how the world works. I’m so glad I followed you
@mash6205 any LN is like that.. even the controversial SAO actually has good story in the LN. shield hero and Class of the elite is the same sometime, anime can't do justice to since LN has arc that are not easy to adapt into anime and thr lack of action sometime make anime become boring example would be SAO mother Theresa arc, Shield hero Turtle arc
Just a minor correction, Lilia should be from Wisir region, no? The region in the south of Asura ruled by the Euros Greyrat House. Donati is the northern region ruled by the Zephyrus Greyrat House. CMIIW, I believe in episode 4 of the anime, Zenith mentioned that Lilia's home was a month's ride to the south.
I know you mentioned not liking the whole situation with Aisha but like Rudy realized both mother and child would be doomed to death if he didn't step in so obviously given the culture of the world it would be a logical step to dedicate both your life and your childs to that person
The entire novel is so well written it is a huge emotional roller coaster especially the last few chapters! Thank you for doing a good recap on Lilia! I enjoyed hearing your perspective on it!
Lilia's thought process is warped compared to our own, the idea of lilia giving up aisha as a redemption token never did settle well with me but when you take the setting and the social economic climate of their world, lilia's decision and behavior becomes more understandable. Primarily, bastard children held no power or position within the ruling class, to be part of the "family" you had to be born to the legitimate "wife" of the family, the father could sire multiple kids with both his wife and mistress but unless he willingly accepted the kids of the mistress or had no other heir from the legitimate wife, the children from his mistress could be ignore. While paul did give up his nobility status by running away from home he still came to be a knight of a region, knights were of the nobility even if said nobility was of the lowest class, most people would say that that wouldn't matter to paul, he loves of his children and i agree as well, but Lilia didn't think so. Within the rescue of lilia chapter, we have a deeper look at what aishas is like mentally and we get one point across very clearly. Aisha is afraid of being rejected because of her illegitimate status, aisha fully comprehends what it means to be the child of a mistress, that she's believes to not be part of the "real" family, even if everyone around her tells her that she's wrong. With all this information at hand, we can now build a case for lilia's thought process. Aisha understand she's the child of a mistress, the only one that could of explained this to her is her own mother. So, she decides to dedicate her life's child to rudy, I believe that at first, it was born out of genuine sense of gratefulness towards rudy for saving her life and Aisha life, but as she thought about it she most likely realized that it was the best chance of survival for aisha. Rudy is an "incredible" person withing lilia's eyes and by tie-in aisha and rudy together she guaranteed that aisha would be well off, be it by her being his maid, his mistress or even his wife, to lilia's all those scenarios are win-win. Thats why she commenteds on aisha's physical growth while talking to rudy, thats why she was so strict about what she thought aisha and thats why she instilled into aisha the idea of rudy being "incredible" and why aisha was so willing to easily accept it. In the long run, lilia's decision was what made aisha into the character that we all love, even if said decision was twisted and grim. Choosing the life that her child would walk without so much as them being born, yet, at the same time i can understand lilia's decision and direction, had i been set in her situation with the same parameters, and the same options i too would of likely choosen the same course she did, all while believing that i was choosing the best path with the most security for them.
It’s refreshing to see when someone accepts the situation and context of a character when speaking about their actions. It’s far too common I feel of late someone dislikes a choice or actions and couldn’t be bothered to understand the choice or action in context. This world is riff with commonplace that turns the stomach so it makes sense, but it’s also not fair to the characters and their stakes in the world either.
Book 1 page 230 "watching him practicing swordsmanship reminded me of our first time. We were still so young, back when he was staying at the training hall Paul snuck into my room at night, and that was that"
Volume 6 page 352-353 was quoted in this video. Lilia was destroyed by the experience, much like Shierra was by hers. And then she was sent into the Asuran royal palace, where such occurrences were but daily distractions to idle the time away. If Darius carries the Fat Bastard tag, Lilia carries the Mind Break tag.
Thanks was looking for it now let me quote what mine says " one night he snuck into Lilia's sleeping chambers and seduced her into surrendering her innocence to him. Lilia couldn't resist-it happened so fast that she was swept of her feet, left in a daze by the time her mother came into the room to wake her the next morning, Paul had already left town."
And I really can't remember but I'm pretty sure it gets brought up one more time, where Lilia straight up says she slept with Paul to spite her dad and the other other students
Я прочитал всю Новеллу, и Лилия для меня является одним из лучших персонажей, особенно как она далее показала свою привязанность к Рудеус и воспитывала его детей
Lilia is not that great of a person and she willfully commits a lot of mistakes. She's so dedicated to compensate for her past mistakes that she's oblivious to the fact that she's hurting others in the process. So her life journey is all about learning how be empathetic and more human in general. And it's beautiful from beginning to end, even with some big bumps along the road.
The reason this show is important is subtlety. We all know there's a difference between forced intercourse and coerced and unenthusiastic consent etc etc but God forbid anyone say these things. Cause we're adult enough for condescending and lording morality but not adult enough to discuss the realistic subtleties
@@elpopman2055 "Paul was a scumbag..." - correction, he IS a scumbag, just that he's not [just] a scumbag. No one denies that and he is even made the butt of jokes or a punching bag by both the series and community for it. He's a scumbag but it doesn't end nor start there necessarily. If that sounds like justification for others, that's on them. Afterall, people are more than binary and can be both good & bad and not just interchangeably.
That's not how i remember the story going. Maybe they changed it for the light novel. It has been a while since i read it. I thought Paul attacked her even after she defended him was because of his ego. He thought he can do no wrong and people where jealous of him. He attacked her because he wanted to show the father that he can't be tied down and told what to do. And that he poison her to keep her from fighting because she was just as strong as he was since they were both the top of their class. And that poison never healed because it cost too much to cure. So she is forced to be a maid.
@@JoseLopez-gi9sf Right on, I actually read through the entirety of old dragon's tale only to find out it was a fan fic and not the actual story 😭 tough when a story has been out for so long... You can get caught in some alt translation/changed stories isn't uncommon unless purchasing official. =(
A commonality between Asian and Western cultures was the concept of life debt. Under this system, it's not weird to focus Aisha for service to Rudeus. Aisha's life is technically Rudeus to settle since it's his actions that she even exists to begin with. You see this theme come up multiple times throughout the anime as those Rudeus and company save end up swearing their lives to them which they quickly reject and return their lives to them. Because Lilia wasn't exactly forward about the life debt, he hasn't formally and openly rejected Aisha's service till later on.
"he hasn't formally and openly rejected Aisha's service till later on." Since you've already placed the spoiler on that, Imma build up on it. He not only rejected her servitude, he exiled her from the family. Four years of Asuran academy without her child or the boy who fathered him. The boy's just a few years away from the age of majority in the setting, so Rudeus wouldn't be able to do anything to prevent him from marrying her after that, if he so chose.
@@thatrabidpotato8800 removed from the hosting site due to TOS violation and set for rewrite, not removed from canon. So until we get an Extra volume containing the arc, it remains canon.
And you know something, You made me think that I can't write a story after this video, I wouldn't ever be able to do something like this to an innocent character like Lilia...
Well I understand why she did it raising her child like that. I think she see it as the only thing she can do to pay R back for literally saving her an her child life if he had accepted in name only an just treated her like a normal sister I think that would help the mother get over that whole pay back thing.
I feel sorry for both Lilia and Aisha. Lilia is taken as a 2nd wife but not allowed to be with her husband except with exceptions. While her daughter had no childhood and is brought up to 'want to be' with her brother just a tad to much. While Rudeus lets her have something resembling a childhood and some freedom in hobbies and how she dresses up her own room at least, shes no longer a small kid at that point. Kinda tragic tbh.
to me its like lilia wants to "repay" rudy but even more she want to make her kid "good enough" to be able to go with a man that she knows that he is going to do/make great things.atleast thats what im choosing to believe cause its way lighter
@@jebes909090 Aisha beating her in every field and competition Teleportation Incident Father turning to alcoholism just to cope Mother nowhere to be found Grandmother hates her First conscious memory of her brother is him beating on their father That's just season 1. Yeah, sheltered.
15:58. This is really quite cruel to Lilia. She only gets to see action if Zenith gets preggers again?? But she's still a wife? Not to mention, what if Lilia wanted a second child? But I could totally see Lilia being down for that arrangement, as she is so self-deprecating.
As much as that might be. She was lucky to not have been abandoned and left for dead. This is a clear example of beggars cannot be choosers. She was already given more than she deserved, begging for more would be a bad look.
@@treymiller5736 I read the story. And I didn't say anything about Lilia begging for more. Begging was never her style, clearly, as she was resolved to march to her own end, prior to Rudeus's intervention. I'm simply saying I don't agree with Zenith's attitude. If you're going to forgive someone and embrace them as family, to then treat them as a second class citizen is, shall we say, not commendable.
@@bujin5455 I understand your idea there. But as much as she might be “family”. She’s still possessive over her husband. She always was and she never planned to change that. I think a big part of the marriage isn’t to marry her to Paul at all, but to make Paul financially responsible for them now. Also to make the child legitimate, and to give the child status. So the marriage is nothing but for convenience, and it was very beneficial to Lilia in her current position. (It also didn’t seem to be much more then a sham marriage it wasn’t a marriage in the truest sense)
@@treymiller5736 No I get it. I just don't agree with it. Like I understand almost all of the characters' motivations for almost everything, even when everyone else doesn't. I 100% understand where Zenith is coming from, I also 100% understand where Lilia is coming from raising Aisha to be Rudeus's personal servant concubine. But that doesn't mean I agree with it. I don't even agree with the polygonal nature of what's going on, though I understand why it's going on. However, if you're going to forgive someone, if you're going to accept them into your family as a fellow spouse, if you're going to embrace their children as your own, then you should afford them the opportunity to have a reasonably fulfilled life (as it's not like they can just move on or something, or have a side guy), and not lock them in purgatory ("you'll never have another child", "you'll never 'really' know the embrace of a partner"), under the guise of doing them a favor ("count yourself lucky I afforded you this much"), especially if you're as close as these two are (they love each other like sisters). All of the characters have their flaws, and even so does Zenith, though hers are normally nearly impossible to find, this is one of them. The whole reason Lilia fell, and succumb to seducing Paul, was because she couldn't handle the situation. A situation Zenith is throwing her right back into. Just that Paul now has an outlet when Zenith is preggers. Good for Paul. Of course, I get the idea that Zenith thinks she's throwing them a bone with this, and that it'll help keep Paul from going even further afield when she's not available to take care of him, but can you imagine how she's actually going to feel during that period? I think the mechanics of that work against Zenith, as she's not going to be used to sharing, and then when she's feeling the most fragile and most vulnerable, that's when she's going to share, after not otherwise accepting the situation?? It's short sighted, to say nothing of how she's treating Lilia. I totally understand why Zenith is being this way, but it's unimpressive on many levels. It's much like I understand Rudeus's behavior on a number of his darker occasions, but that doesn't mean I respect him for it. What really turns the knife on this issue even further, is that you really want to applaud her for forgiving her friend, and making room for her and her daughter in her family. So it's like this really beautiful thing that has this really nasty smelly stain on it. Which creates a special sort of perversity to it. And of course, Lilia would never say a word, as she thinks she deserves far worse. And perhaps she does ...perhaps... but that doesn't mean Zenith's action rings with the beauty it appears to have on first glance. From a writing stand point, I have nothing against it. It's probably the right choice for Rifujin to make, and it shows that Zenith is not mother Teresa. So my comment should not be seen as a critique on the story in any way. It's simply a comment about how I feel about Zenith's choice.
@@bujin5455 well I don’t see the marriage as a real one nothing more then a sham. You agree to a sham marriage to enjoy its benefits you agree to a sham marriage to enjoy its benefits. The entire situation is a mess. The sex might have been the one thing on the table if she didn’t agree to then she would have to go home and what happened then just happens.
Lilia's backstory is why even after all of what he did before his reunion with Rudeus after the Teleport incident is why I could never forgive Paul. He was a good father and credit where credit is due, he did try his best on that front while also searching for Zenith. But at his core without his family, Paul is a pathetic pos. I do however, still appreciate his effort in trying to redeem himself, even with what will happen this Father's Day. (or maybe won't happen idk lol)
I tend to agree with your perspectives on the story and characters (at least MT's, since they are the only ones of your videos that I've watched so far) but I disagree a little with your view of Lilia. Lilia, being the daughter of a sword instructor, probably had the creation of a household of knights, that is, found and serve a master of value. Zenith and Rudeus are those masters of value. Despite the way she treated Rudeus early, he still saved her and her child. And Zenith that even being of the Millis religion and truly understanding the whole scenario found forgiveness in her hearth to allow Lilia to stay in the house. But the mix of her vow with the guilty she feel about what she had done to those two, made she go too tough in Aisha's upbringing.
i've read the light novels however, i never came across Paul forcing himself onto Lilia. Is this actually true? would it be too much trouble to point me to the novel that stated this? I don't believe I would've overlooked something like this while reading.
let's be honest and real here if we took too much of todays standard and moral base most of story that set in this kind of medieval like setting, everything is messed up. So the 1st thing you need is understanding these cultural difference and norm, and accept that things are just different. Hell, even todays society has such "extreme" difference between western and eastern culture like how in some culture moving in together but not actually married is just "normal", while in the other culture those kind of behaviour might get you hurld with rock by society. while I do understand bad thing are bad, but everything has context and dont try to push your own ideal to another person
heheheh Misinderstanding the writing and attributing something else, typical of the modern American. For the record, the problem wasn't solely on Paul, Lilia was becoming a woman and didn't get why the men around her treated her differently and forced herself to be around them. Then Paul came along and mistook what he saw as consent and used the other students' anger at him (for being better than them and for having Lilia's attention as she was VERY MUCH into him) as a go ahead to do something and didn't realise until afterwards that Lilia was very much scared of the event - of which he then ran away and punished himself by never completing his training and becoming a multi-class King swordsman. It's almost like the story of Mushoku Tensei involves misunderstandings and people moving on from those to better themselves and punishing themselves for their previous infractions repeatedly because they don't forgive themselves for failing Or some such thing. But just glossing over that to call Paul a scumbag is oaky too I guess.
Paul and Rudeus' mindsets are way worse than her serving her brother (even in that way for the society they live in) not saying im into it but still i dont think its that wrong for her to want to be by him
To tell you the truth . Japanese love the word honor. And what happen was the opposite... so lilia feel guilty and their belief of thwt guiltyness make to shit his daughter life.. at least rudeus treat her like his sister... if there is a what if... rudeus could had her as his first wife . If her daughter wasn t born also in roots of biodecodify ( the uconcios of your tree genealogy) what lilia went by. Should happen to her mother ,grandmother . To repeat the story ... what rudeus did, is to cut that story in lilias root of births by infidelity in her clan . It was very wise of rudeus!! He cut a story of clan survival by betrays . And lilias clan nlw can grew by conscious!!!
One of the things that I really appreciate about the writing is that there are no cardboard heroes, no one-dimensional villains, just broken people being broken people.
An interesting thing I realized... *SPOILERS AHEAD* If Orsted knows that Paul Greyrat is supposed to have 2 daughters, Aisha and Norn, then that could mean in the other timelines Lilia made it through child birth with Aisha still alive. Whether that means that Zenith let her stay or if someone else took pity on Lilia we can never know but we do know that Orsted knew of Aisha's existence and therefore she must have lived a life of some significance, since Orsted never knew about Rudeus who was supposed to be still born. Although it is possible that Norn would have told her daughter about the sister she never got to know but never knew about Rudeus as it would have been a very difficult subject for Paul and Zenith.
Lilia's "self destruction" mirrors Rudeus' pre-reincarnation life. A series of misfortunes that set up a life of misfortune BY CHOICE. The difference: A disaster BEYOND Lilia's CONTROL creates a situation where Lilia can redeem herself. On one hand, you can look at it as Lilia "sacrificing" Aiesha to Rudeus, but then again, Lilia understands that Rudeus will be a better big brother to Aiesha than Paul could be a father or Lilia could be a mother to her. Honestly, Aiesha (and Lilia) is only alive and healthy BECAUSE OF RUDEUS' intervention with Paul, Zenith, and Lilia. There's lots of Christian allegories in Mushoku Tensei. Rudiard is essentially Moses. Rudeus comes across on more than one occasion as both a Jesus, and in even more cases, as Simon-Peter allegory. That being said, Lilia (as well as Elinalise) takes on a Mary Magdaline allegory. When you realize the similarities, the suffering of these characters, and the oddly specific choices they make, and paths they take, make more sense. Lilia has had an inferiority complex her entire life, and has done everything just to survive. Planning, making complex choices, and thinking about the future, have never been considerations of hers, until Rudy has to rescue her and Aiesha. That is when she stops thinking about HER future, and starts considering Aiesha's future. Instead of the biblical "Mary Magdaline becoming Jesus' Apostle", we get Lilia turning her daughter into an Apostle of Rudeus, in order to save Aiesha. It's almost like a mother who is incapable of caring for her own child, putting that child up for adoption BECAUSE she loves that child more than she can care for her (something I know a bit about, being adopted AND after meeting my birth mother). It's both a tragic, and redemptive, story.
Am I misremembering, or does Lilia not use the "Greyrat" surname she's presumably entitled to as Paul's ostensible second wife? Admittedly, I don't recall a lot of scenes where she has to introduce herself to anyone, but I'm really hard-pressed to think of situations in the series where she, or someone else calls her "Lillia Greyrat" instead of "Miss Lilia"
I don't, honestly, know if she ever refers to herself as Greyrat. It's just kinda assumed that she took the name after becoming Paul's wife. It's always Lilia-san from what I can remember.
I believe Lilia training Aisha to serve Rudy isn't so much to redeem herself as it is to Honor Rudy. Despite all his strange and perverted behaviors he's actually benevolent and even caring when it really counts. From my perspective, Lilia sees that Rudy could think ahead and isn't entirely selfish. Its very possible that she sees a future leader in Rudy.Lilia wants her daughter to be able to serve Rudy because she believes Rudy will take good care of her. At least that's what I think. You don't gas up someone you love about someone you aren't totally sure about ya know. Plus if she were really trying to make it up to Zenith, should have Aisha serve her instead of Rudy.
@@AyaBakloul not kill her with her own hands. She wanted lillia to leave and most likely die through the lack of assistance in childbirth (medieval fantasy childbirth was dangerous even with magic and experienced nursewives).
I love the Darius comparison to baby rudeus, it’s a very good way of showing how degenerative he was in his previous life, if he had the status of a noble he would very easy fall down that slope at the start of the story. It also is kinda interesting cause incels can also come believe they are ‘nice guys’ and it’s just girls go for assholes, but in reality they can be as disgusting as those people all they are missing is that they don’t have that corruptive power.
hur dur incels, you are just projecting. listen to the word and understand the meaning. In-cel "Involuntary celibate" a person who can't get laid not by choice. also listen to yourself carefully, you are making fun of someone who is involuntary celibate, YOU are the problem not them.
You know you make me sad, I deeply love Lilia now... I don't even know how to put my feelings into words specially when the one know what will happen with Rudy's son and Aisha in future of the story, it all goes back to Lilia's raising her that way and Rudy " Not wanting her " as she was thinking she failed in the only thing she've been taught about since she was born it makes to his son like her mom Lilia to Rudy, I mean the same way of thinking...
Tbh why? If it's on Rudy buying Julie then he didn't do anything wrong. Julie had no where to go and would've died a few days later, Rudy gave her a pretty good life + she didn't even have the Slave seal.
@@djex2994 it's not even on him, Zanoba is the one who bought her Can't say much more, they just took the real life approach of hating slavery, which would be right if we ignored the nuance
@@KhanMann66 I think it's because Mushoku always frames these things not like "I'm doing such a good thing actually" but as something that comes from a bad place, and acknowledges what it is, even if it has a good intention
Wow, the characters really are multi faceted huh. Lilia doesnt hate paul for being a POS but also wouldnt mind destroying his marraige if he misbhaved lol
I hope you do Lila’s Asura connection follow up. There is not much there but just pr completeness. Her sacrifice ads meaning to ascertain asura nobles arc.
