Bruce Cutler, who successfully defended John Gotti three times, might have an interesting perspective. Just to clarify, Cutler was never convicted of any criminal conduct.
Short version: if you tell your lawyer about a crime you committed, attorney client privilege applies. If you commit a crime with your lawyer, it does not.
No. But the 5th still does. Theoretically absent external evidence that exceeds ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ all they need to claim their privilege and the prosecution is dead in the water.
@@JodyOwen-we6oo not quite, you point out they dont have to speak if they invoke, but they have to cough up computers and phones. Also, if the prosecutor offers the attorney immunity for testimony, they can be compelled I think, or at least guilt can be inferred if you have immunity and won't speak.
When your criteria for hiring lawyers is that they have to be willing to work for someone who regularly refuses to pay them and prepared to violate their oaths and standards for your benefit, you don't exactly retain the cream of the crop.
@@VoltisArt Considering the prolific sexual misconduct of both "like attracts and protects like"and they seem to both spiral down the depths of insanity 🙄
Go live in a backwater country if you don't believe in it. Plenty of crap holes for your ilk to wallow in. It's immoral to assume guilt on anyone and silence isn't a lie or purgery nor admission of wrong doing. Proving guilt lies upon accuser.
All im going to say is, "They" rally being pro-policing until it comes knocking at their door. It turns into a finger pointing event, and want the easy way out. No crime is lesser than the other just like a sin.
Well, yeah, but then again, if you're a criminal, using your barstatus to hide your crime is generally a good idea. That's the other side of the equasion. Their real mistake was going criming with Trump, cause Trump is not really good at the covering up part of criming.
they are aware of those laws, they’re also just aware that all these prosecutors trying to indict Trump have absolutely nothing to back their cases so They’re not even trying.
People don't seem to understand the crime isn't paying off the mistress, the crime is claiming that was a tax deductible election or business expense. You can pay your ladies all you want, but you have to pay taxes on it first.
I feel like I'm just stupid, but I really don't understand how the legal distinction works between paying to have sex with someone and paying for someone not to say you've had sex with them.... Edit for clarification: I'm not really talking about this case specifically, more a general question of how courts determine what a given payment is for.
@@Mark_Agamotto1313_Smith I know what you are getting at, but there's literally no such thing as "legalized crime" use the accurate description for legal unethical behavior. Crime is by definition illegal.
@@zemorph42 legalized crime is an oxymoron that emphasizes the traits of the behavior. it is not literally referring to legal crime. via wordplay, its referring to actions that are legal, but should be or resemble actual crime.
Or people on general. Like how is it those capitol rioters get prison time and fines and still want to support him and everything?! I think we really need better mental beauty screenings.
@ScienceFraction did they have good careers before it? Right now I don't feel like looking into it, but isn't it a possibility that their careers where already struggling before? And that's why they choose to work for Trump?
They're all arrogant enough to think, "Those other guys are just dumb. I, on the other hand, am smart." But if that were true, they'd not be his lawyer.
It really sounds like the work of an innocent man. Get his Lawyer to lie for him, lie to the public, lie to the judges, like to investigators. Just good old-fashioned businessman activity.
That won't happen. And much like those of us who don't understand how people like Hitler or Manson or Jim Jones got so many people to follow them and do horrible things, the future generations won't understand the current people that stick by trump. I don't even understand it. There's plenty of celebrities I liked until I found out they did bad things, then I dropped them like a hot potato.
@@kaylapounds1359 Yeah there's a lot of things about us that you don't understand. Like not wanting to pay too much for gas. Like not wanting the economy to nose dive. Like not wanting to look weak in front of our enemies. Like not wanting the government to weaponize branches of itself against the citizens. I could go on, but it would be pointless. You don't understand these things about conservatives, so we're just automatically deplorable to you. Well... frack you too.
You may not be able to enlist a lawyer to help you commit your crimes, but you can apparently convince a bunch of people to straight-up do them for you.
@@sedevacantist1 Micheal Cohen went to jail for trump because of trump while working for trump and paid by trump and directed by trump. Micheal Cohen the reason why he went to jail was trump Yet trump isn't held responsible because it wasn't his direct action that made Micheal Cohen do illegal acts. Cohen did illegal acts on behalf of trump but was not directly told to break the law by trump even tho trump directly told him to fix the situation no matter what. Trump benefits from Cohen's illegal action but since trump didn't tell Cohen to break the law trump is Scott free. That's what trump does. He tells you it's your problem to figure out or else. So Micheal Cohen broke the law or else trump consequences. Cohen was forced to either break the law or suffer trump. But since Cohen broke the law trump is protected from being responsible for Cohen breaking the law. Which is why trump lawyer went to jail and not trump. Even tho trump is morally responsible just not legally. That's usually how trump escapes the law by putting responsibility on someone else.
“So there are five people taking the Fifth Amendment, like you see on the mob, right? You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” I'll give you a guess as to who said this
@@MrClickity not just trump, other politicians have a way to be hypocritical as well. Take McConnell. When President Obama was supposed to choose a Supreme Court Justice replacement McConnell waited over a year saying to let the people decide. Fast forward a few years and suddenly it's okay to rush a justice through and not let the people decide.
@@xhpphx3757 It's a 55 page bill so it may take some time for him to gather all information and write it all out/record it. I would be really concerned if he didn't talk about it at all. We have far more problems than just Trump.
We have a case in the Netherlands of a lawyer trying to help his client escape. That's definately gonna make the judge not think much of your att client priviledge.
@@derpeth2101 Perhaps, perhaps not. I can't really think of why it would be illegal to help someone do something that is not illegal (in Germany). Though I can imagine a bar association might not like it.
I'm so gratified that you finally brought up the U.S. v Gotti case in which Bruce Cutler was disqualified as Gotti's lawyer. This case came to my mind the very first time a Trump lawyer was implicated in covering up Tiny's crimes.
Trump and his followers are crazy. They want Trump to get away with everything. But if a Dem did the same things, you'd never hear the end of it from them.
I know you’re joking, but from trumps perspective- yuh, pretty much. It looks like he’s struggling HARD to square what’s happening now with how he’s always understood the world to work Imagine living comfortably for 80 years, then finding out you’re Truman (in the sense that nothing is what he thought it was, not literally lol). Imagine the shock of that for a person who struggles with cope in the first place. Like as a concept lol I have no sympathy for him, but I can imagine what this is like for him. Even if there’s never so much as an indictment
@@Time_Is_Left I absolutely agree with you. Infact, I don't much blame Donald Trump. He's always been a piece of sh!t, and people loved him for it. I actually do have SOME sympathy for him. I know it's probably crazy to be faced with the fact that you've been constantly pandered to your ENTIRE 80 years on this planet. This is equal parts democrats, and republican politicians fault. The Democrats for being corrupt criminals who often pretend to care, and the Republicans for just not caring about anybody who doesn't put millions in their pockets. It's hard to criticize one party, when the other does the same thing. Sadly, this is also why I DO NOT believe America is capable of being saved.
As if you were implying that none of the others have done much worse. Much much worse. Even if Trump is guilty as they say of these trivial things, he’s the least guilty of all of them. That’s why they want to get rid of him. They are all much worse and much more guilty of much worse crimes.
Are you kidding? The criminal here is the clown that made this crappy video. He called Trump a mob boss, the man has mental issues. This board is covered up with shyster Democrat lawyer wannabes.
At first I didn't know what a crime-fraud exception was so I thought crime-fraud-ing was a play on crowdfunding and it made sense to me. I was like "heh, yeah, I guess they do have a certain alternate way of funding themselves..."
We had have a rather analogous case here, in Canada. There used to be an attorney at Montreal (I forgot his name) . Very good at his job but corrupted. He used to be the Rizzuto main lawyer. The Rizzuto crime family leads the local chapter of the Casa Nostra since the 1970s onward, with strong ties to the New-York Casa Nostra and the Sicilian branches. None only he was paid by the mafia to defend their godfather and his relatives in court, but was equally known in the streets to be their representative to neuter conflict during meetings and criminal dealings involving the Hell Angels - their rivals - and their own attorney. The SPVM ("Société de Police de Montréal" or "Montreal Police Society Department") , the Sureté du Québec (which is the provincial police from which Montreal is located) and the Mounted Police wired a meeting between the two attorneys and get the both of them arrested and forced to testify on court about their own involvement and complicity with their respective clients and their businesses. Neither the Italian Canadian mobsters nor the French Canadian bikers get arrested, but two of Canada's best attorneys are now behind bars to this day over something st*pid.
For future reference, it's cOsa nostra. It means "our matter", although a real translation from italian to english is challenging given the unwritten implications
My memory on this is a little fuzzy, but I seem to recall that shortly after the 2020 election, like a matter of days or weeks, two separate teams of Trump's lawyers had quit working for him. One team had gone to court after the election, lost, and then quit because they didn't want to go back to court with nothing. Trump hired a new team from a firm that I remember thinking was supposed to be pretty prestigious, but they also quit soon after being hired because they didn't want to go into court with nothing. Trump apparently learned his lesson, because from that point on, he's had a string of lawyers with absolutely no shame at all; lawyers that lost about five dozen court cases between the election and January 6th, a couple of which even lost their licenses for daring to present such bogus cases (i.e., Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell). The string of shameless lawyers didn't end there, obviously, and they've just been getting more shameless, more incompetent, and more criminal ever since. Trump doesn't even care if his lawyers are *smart*; just that they're willing to make any argument he tells them to make.
I would be interested in seeing Legal Eagle give a timeline of the Level/Quality of Trumps lawyers over the past 4 years or so. Are there any very highly reputable lawyers or firms that would take him as a client anymore? I would guess the answer would look like a logarithmic curve.
@@Tricia_K Bingo. Trump had a reputation as an absolute nightmare client as least back to the 90s. Guess some folks are okay taking the gamble that they're different and Trump will actually pay them.
if your not a lawyer you can't lose your law license, im pretty sure you have to put time and energy to get those... well now that i think about it again... maybe there a way to cheat it... a lawyer that sign a paper without making sure it's legit sounds like either a cult member or a complete idiot.
You could probably make a case that any crime that a lawyer is involved in (in the lawyer's field) is premeditated, on the premise that the lawyer professionally knows better and does it anyway.
No? If ignorance of the law WAS an excuse, then that would logically support harsher penalties for people with greater legal knowledge, like lawyers. If it isn't an excuse, there should be no difference.
The irony is, from the sounds of it, it would have been significantly easier to just properly store the documents or store them in a hidden location, than to fake storing them properly.
I laughed so hard when Trump trotted that theory out! As far as the attorneys seeing the docs during their respective searches, they should have had cover sheets on clearly identifying their level of classification. From the pics released on various media, that was the case.
I feel like he properly timed the release of this video to coincide with the MPRE test date (the lawyers ethics test), I just took it yesterday and I had to keep all of these exceptions to privilege straight in my head😬
You are one of the few people on RU-vid whose videos I will pretty much always watch. Thank you for the high quality and high production standards you keep. Even the episodes with the guest lawyer are excellent. Can we get another light-hearted video in the next two months? The legal realism critique videos are a nice break from the serious issues we're witnessing (and definitely need to know about). Or the reaction to lawyer jokes one.
I can't imagine losing the right to practice by lying for a client. Money is not important, the truth is. All that study, enormous student debt not to mention the all nighters for exams. How easy some forget why the law exists
The scary thing about the classified documents case is if they were moved around to avoid them being detected who was the one moving them? Cuz I doubt Trump himself was carrying them around. That right there is a red flag of how unsecure these documents where. That they seemingly were moved about and there's no accountability. I feel sorry for the person who's been probably unwittingly assigned to handle those documents and will be dragged into this madness.
Really appreciate this channel. He does a better job than most of explaining their area of expertise in a straight forward non-condescending way, that is also clear and educational. Thanks.
the editing and production has gotten so much better since I first saw the beginning of your work and tiktok, it's really great and thank you for giving the facts. Of course not used for legality, but it's good knowledge.
either they think that committing lot's of crime just normalize it or that the justice system is too scared to prosecute... one thing that doesn't help the justice system is the fact that those criminals are still free and committing more crime when if it was anyone not famous that person would already be in jail, when you act weak people are right to think you are.
Exactly. When black and brown people are facing life sentences for selling weed, it shows how racist and classist the system really is when a bankrupt millionaire can commit crimes against the nation and still be able to go speak at rallies to a bunch of brainwashed hicks.
May I ask something? Which 2 of 3 crimes did Donald Trump do that anyone else would be in jail for? Please cite the relevant state or federal statute and evidence of how Trump violated them.
Problem is, Trump isn't the only elected official that has committed crimes. Plenty of high profile figures on both sides have been given a pass for decades.
When I was very young I misunderstood something and thought lawyers whose client went to jail also went to jail. Well seems like my kid brain wasn’t far off
Question, does this video use AI generated images? Will this be a permanent change in the content and editing of future videos? The description credits the sources as Getty and AP Archives but some "shots" look distinctly different. I'm not sure I'm particularly in favour of this change if its true :/
@@Jehty_ It was at that point that I started wondering if he deliberately chose really weird and unflattering photos of Rudy Giuliani, or if *every* photo of Rudy Giuliani is really weird and unflattering.
I just finished my Legal Ethics and Advocacy class in Law school and we spent plenty of time going about the Solicitor-Client Privilege and its many exceptions. To be allowed to break it, you would have to have seriously messed up, whether there is a likely immediate harm to an individual, and more. But yikes... Just, yikes.
This is just what happens when a life long criminal that has been running wild with his dad's money since his youth ends up in the Whitehouse. The US needs a vetting process for ranking government officials beyond that The haven't taken part in an insurrection, but that is a crucial one in trump's case.
Is it possible that Smith is requesting that NY and GA wait to announce their indictments because he feels the federal indictments are imminent and would take precedent?
New videos are so much better to watch without a cutting away to distracting memes and soundbites every 5 seconds on screen. I'm really thankful to the editor they've toned it down, great job.
I'm still waiting for your take on the actual content and legal interpretation of S. 686, which intends to ban TikTok but it does way more than that, IMO. A clarifying video from you would put all speculation to rest. Thank you so much! I can't wait for you to put out this super educational video any day now.
The speculations are correct: the bill gives wide reaching powers to the Secretary or Commerce and the President to ban any website/technology that's a "national security risk" as defined by them with little to no over sight
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv have you ever considered that we are on he verge of war in the south pacific and the government doesnt always have some alterior secret motive sometimes efforts whether properly conducted or botched are genuinly in the best interest of the public?
That scene with Tom Cruise and the mob bosses in 1993 film, The Firm, seems like the most relevant film representation. Are lawyers ships with cargo at sea who will never make port?
I love your videos, sir, but please refrain from all the crappy ai art. Aside from the fact that it sucks, you’re ignoring the outright theft that most of the ai image generator developers have committed.
Even sadder that he knows way more about the legalities and moral side of it. Guess he doesn't care about the video anymore after it's passed on to the editor.
A SERIOUS QUESTION HERE...I watched the first interveiw with Hannity and Nobody has addressed the part of the conversation when they were talking about the documents at his home and he was saying that he wouldnt feel bad about taking them home and how he could if he wanted to THEN he said "Richard Nixon got 18 million for the documents he had" And I went WHAT!?! So what is he thinking? Is he waiting to auction them off? For the Govt. to buy them back? He sees them as having monetary value!! Please watch again and bring that up because nobody else has!! It's a clue to whats going on in his moronic traitorous thinking !! Why has nobody brought this up??!!
Love the channel, great insight. The AI art is unsettling and off-putting. Please, get a human artist to do your graphics. Or just don't use those kind of images.
Usually lawyers would say "No" to their clients when they want them to help commit crimes, thats why its powerful figures political, mob or both, who manage to influence their lawyers to going along with the crime.
One of the things you are over looking is that if any of the attorneys handled either the documents or the boxes, the FBI most certainly has found their fingerprints
@@Brasswatchman The inconsistencies, anatomical mistakes a professional artist wouldn't make, lighting oddities, the obvious framing of many generators, things cutting off and starting from a nonsensical spot
@@PurrbotArt Okay. Item one: how do you tell the difference between AI art and, say, a Photoshop filter? Item two, aren't anatomical "mistakes" kind of part and parcel of caricature? Meaning they could've been done by a human artist as well?
@@Brasswatchman 1. I don't know much about photoshop's filters, but I don't think they can alter the bone structure of the face in 3d and do the lighting accordingly for an image. There are certain inconsistencies that are weird to say the least. 2. If you are an artist, which I assume you are not, there are certain ways of doing things. Think of, say, cooking recipes. We have a very intricate understanding of anatomy. Caricature isn't about making anatomy mistakes, it's about exaggeration. Caricature actually requires a lot of knowledge about the body in a way that one can then break the boundaries of and make it believable. Those images weren't caricatures. The features that may look like mistakes do not serve any purpose. Trust me in saying, that when we artists draw a line, we remember it. We see it. If it doesn't look right, we know. Even in beginners, stuff that they get wrong is justifiable, because they see something but they don't understand its purpose. Professional editors and artists, they wouldn't make these mistakes. It's not throwing stuff around how we like, it's crafting. Layers of work. Hours of looking at the same picture extremely closely.
...only towards the white ones who steal millions or start insurrections. Be a black guy and smoke a wee joint - watch them throw your ass into jail for life!
Towards _white collar_ criminals. If you steal from Walmart or sell loose cigatrettes or fall asleep in your car in a Wendy's parking lot, the law suddenly becomes the Judge Dredd kind.