Truth of the Book of Abraham (Part 7) - The Lost Papyrus Theory - Dan Vogel 

What amazing times we all live in!! Thank you for your work, Dan.

Great way to start off the weekend. Looking forward to this. Thank you, Dan!

The characters above fig. 5 on Facsimile 3 are perhaps the easiest to read of the poorly copied hieroglyphs in the facsimiles. I recall how, after studying Middle Egyptian for a while, I opened the PoGP to facsimile 3 and realized that I could easily read what was above the hand of fig. 5. It's one thing to be told that "Egyptologists disagree with Joseph's interpretation," and it's a totally different thing to read it yourself without having to rely on anyone's translation. Then the bogus nature of Joseph Smith's claims becomes strikingly clear and obvious.

Brian Hauglid, Faithful Mormon Scholar (helped on Joseph smith Papers and other projects), and who used to be FARMS style apologist and prolific writer on the Book of Abraham is retracting nearly ALL of his earlier agreement with Mormonism's main talking points for the Book of Abraham. Hauglid Quote on Nov 8th "For the record, I no longer hold the views that have been quoted from my 2010 book in these videos. I have moved on from my days as an "outrageous" apologist. In fact, I'm no longer interested or involved in apologetics in any way. I wholeheartedly agree with Dan's (Dan Vogel) excellent assessment of the Abraham/Egyptian documents in these videos. I now reject a missing Abraham manuscript. I agree that two of the Abraham manuscripts were simultaneously dictated. I agree that the Egyptian papers were used to produce the BoA. I agree that only Abr. 1:1-2:18 were produced in 1835 and that Abr. 2:19-5:21 were produced in Nauvoo. And on and on. I no longer agree with Gee or Mulhestein. I find their apologetic "scholarship" on the BoA abhorrent. One can find that I've changed my mind in my recent and forthcoming publications. The most recent JSP Revelations and Translation vol. 4, The Book of Abraham and Related Manuscripts (now on the shelves) is much more open to Dan's thinking on the origin of the Book of Abraham. My friend Brent Metcalfe can attest to my transformative journey." ~ Brian Hauglid facebook.com/dan.vogel.35/posts/1398006876998582?hc_location=ufi

Thank you! This whole series is the most complete, fair, and comprehensive study of the origins of the Book of Abraham available.

"Mormon apologists began immediately to make up excuses." Yup.

Great work Dan. Very well researched, your conclusions are spot on. More and more lds scholars are coming to similar conclusions

I think that whether or not there was another scroll from which Joseph Smith translated the Book of Abraham is a moot point, though I appreciate Dan's answers to the apologists. It is the Facsimiles that have been published as 'Scripture' by the Mormon church for over a hundred years that show the true inability of Joseph Smith as someone who could translate the Egyptian language, in spite of claiming to be able to do so. A comparison between Joseph Smith's 'translation' and the translation of Egyptologists is so revealing that it leaves little room for doubt that Smith was just making it up. He got the names wrong, he got the genders wrong, he got the story line wrong. It was only the fact that the knowledge of the Egyptian language was at that time mostly unavailable that allowed him to get away with it at all.

Great video, thank you for your detailed research

Thank you so much for your hard work. It helped give me the closure I needed. #notacult

Let's put it this way. If Robin Jensen is correct in his interview (that there are some parts that are Joseph's personal assumptions about the papyrus inserted into the BoA text), then the Mormon god is responsible for _countless people's apostasy_ here now in the 21st century. Jensen is basically saying that god allowed Joseph to continue in the formation of the BoA text without clearing up these, not only false, but condemning pieces of information within the text. We're talking about an _omniscient god_ here. He would know what kind of repercussions this would have later time with the advent of the internet and the member's exposure to the critic's concerns with the BoA. That is an irresponsible god, to say the least. That kind of a god _wouldn't care_ about truth claims for his church if what Jensen said is correct. But if the scriptures used within Mormonism claim to depict a god that _does_ care about truth claims, then either Mormonism is working with an untrustworthy, trickster god or it really is a fabrication of man in the early 19th century. I hope he realizes this.

I view the steep cherry picking of the existing evidence by apologists as fraud. The level of dishonesty in their apologetic writings is appalling.

Am I to believe someone had a handwritten scroll by Abraham and Joseph from the Old Testament and SOLD IT?

WHEN ARE WE GONNA SEE THE NEXT DAN VOGEL VIDEO ?!!

Dan, I think your reference for the Henry Tressler quote is incorrect at time 32:46, but so is Muhlestein. Muhlestein has: Foster W. Jones, “The Work in Indiana, a Letter to the Editor,” Deseret Evening News (July 24, 1897): 10. You have: Henry Tressler, Interview, 1897, in Foster W. Jones, Greenwood, IN, 16 June 1897, Letter to Editor, "The Work in Indiana," Deseret Evening News (31 July 1897): 209. I cannot find the quote anywhere in either one of the sources. The 31 July 1897 edition of the Deseret Evening News is edition 211, not 209. I cannot find the quote in either edition found at www.newspapers.com/image/73733088/

Hey Dan, sorry to hijack this video to ask this question but I know you read comments and don't know how else to contact you. 1. Have you read "The Exoneration of Emma, Joseph & Hyrum: Part One" by Ronald Karren. My dad is very into snuffer-like blogs and I really don't have the foundation I should to read this book. I have a similar relationship with my dad like Joseph Smith in that reading this book might be the only way I might bridge the gap with my dad religiously... 2. Is it a worthwhile book? 3. The snuffer movement community seems to be pretty contained with only head bobbers on blogs. Are they any people/scholars who read material from these people/groups (who feel the church fell with Joseph Smith's death) that you think are credible or hold an interesting opinion? I understand if this is water you don't want to tread but I very much value your opinion. One day, I may read this book but I have very young kids and am trying to succeed in my young career and it may be a while until I can take the time to read the book critically. Thank you for all of your thoughtful research.

Dan thank you for all the time and effort! I'm amazed! So sad how much effort to deceive. They all have their reward coming!

Scrolls are up to 40 feet. Which the larger scroll as described is gone. Most likely consumed in the fire. If you actually investigate things it is easy to find how many things Joseph Smith got right. For example the word Kolob in Hebrew means 'center' and 'close to GOD'.

I tell you the things that happen. First the creator of the Universe appears to a farm boy in New York. Then scrolls and mummies which were thousands of years younger then Abraham just happened to contain his writings and were pretty much delivered to said boy. 😂

Dan, I was surprised that Cook and Smiths research on the Hor scroll length wasn’t mentioned. Do you have an opinion on their paper? Was it not used because you disagree with it? It’s hard to nitpick such a thoroughly researched and jam packed episode, but the omission made me curious.

Great Work Dan !!

well written..

Muhlestein is a skid mark on honesty and scholarship. Just ask Brian Hauglid :p

So Mr. Vogel please tell us how one character can produce 72 words of text. Your theory is erroneous.

You all are too knowledgeable about Mormonism (Jesus Christ) to be non-Mormons.

The Egyptologists have been debunked.

One can really only Google ''Paul Gregersen pro-Book of Abraham youtube'' on how to understand the whole picture of this translation/explanation from Joseph Smith the right way.

let me show you the reason why the characters were placed in the margins. Vogel assumes they were faking a translation. Let me show you a far better answer through real evidence. UTube (BOA ep I6)