Joseph Smith Brings the Plates Home - Dan Vogel 

God Bless you, thankfully your eyes were opened. The greatest challenge will be to rescue others still blinded. May you be blesses

God bless you, , I really appreciate Dan sharing his years of experience with all of us,,it's amazing how much he has studied Joseph Smith,,,and he is spot on with his info, I pray that God has blessed Dan and his family

Still posting your crap?

Richard Holmes I would say this same thing to you.

Read the story of prophet Muhammad... They share lots of similarities

@Private Private lt is time to put on your thinking cap.

@Private Private Do you avoid "all sinning" PFC Private?

+ Really, it's just fiction. Science has little to do with it.

It was based on science fiction actually smith was the l Ron Hubbard of the 1800s john Carter of Mars comes to mind

Bible fan fiction.

Historical Fiction

Exactly! Absolutely willful. A cult will manipulate its members so they will fear doing real research.

Mountain Meadow Mormonism good one!

Exactly 😂😂

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Some metal detecting in that area might prove interesting.

Bill mckeever has some very informative videos on that. Worth checking out

@@mckster56 Another giant problem for Mormonism is it teaches the Universe always existed when we actually see the Universe is slowly decaying. Mormon teaching: "They had not beginning, and can have no end." This principle was elaborated on by Brigham Young, who said, "God never made something out of nothing; it is not in the economy or law of which the worlds were, are, or will exist." Thus, Mormons deny ex nihilo creation and instead believe that God created or "organized". The bible says God created the Universe and this is supported by the observable evidence and the second law of thermodynamics: everything created is in a process of "breaking down". We see it as the sun will someday burn out, falling stars are dead stars. Our bodies are dying. 2nd law of thermodynamics: even if we leave a system completely alone, it changes; it deteriorates over time. As Christians we see this in the Bible. Everything is dying (deteriorating) because of the sin of man and all creation is groaning. "We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time." Romans 8:22 But rejoice the All mighty God of the bible is true and BOM is false. Christ will come again and the stars and sun will melt away and a new earth and heaven, indestructible and without sin will replace it for eternity.

Fascinating history sad fiction awesome research

If you are intrigued by joe smith there is sn exellent biography by fawn brodie a relative of david mckay a later church president. She won many awards and accolades for her diligent work and in depth reseach on this book. It is tittled " No Man Knows My History" which was taken from a statement he made in a candid moment when he spoke of himself while delivering a eulogy at a funeral known as The King Follet discource. This was the name of the man being euligized. An exellent insight into joe smith, his life , experiences , and personality. You cant help find him an interesting individual who had the ability to get back up everytime he was knocked down. A very intetesting and thorough look at one of the centurys most interesting characters. I believe the church itself has heartburn over this book and Mrs Brodie was tossed from membership for publishing this deeply researched work to the dismay of many. A great piece of historical diligance snd solid resesrch. Attention keeping and a great read.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! TOUCHE!!! 😁

That's funny ,,,ain't it though

Badly Drawn I encourage you to write your own scripture and start your own religion I look forward to hearing how far you can take this with your magic writing skills

NightmareEntity I’ve written some scripture in my day... I’m having trouble finding investors to back it.... it’s called “ Common sense, the ancient art of balanced intention” You would think the book would sell itself! Maybe I need a martyr? George Carlin maybe?

Badly Drawn isn’t that the comedian? One of my friends died with a heart attack not so long ago so I don’t you to try and prove to me there is no afterlife because common sense says so, life is cruel enough as it is

NightmareEntity I believe in life everlasting. It is more than obvious to me that there is a designer. And that everything is connected by one source. That is all a person can know for sure in my opinion. Everything else is hearsay. I love reading all spiritual text though. I just didn’t enjoy the BOM. Because it was just bad... I’m now reading Doctrines and Covenants, It’s a fun read because of how hilarious it is. D&C was obviously written to try and explain all the obvious deceptive behavior, convenient miracles, and also to establish himself as a great “profit” by using god as a character witness. Same as every other “profit” it’s all ego. There are no “profits” just people who understand cause and effect, entropy, social systems, ebb and flow. They ballpark some numbers and wrap it in allegory... most of these “profits” are like a clock who’s hands are stuck in place. They are gonna be right twice a day.

Badly Drawn I haven’t read the full doctrine and Covenants but some of it is really good thanks for sharing you option and sorry if I was rude the Book of Mormon inspires a lot of people no book of scripture is perfect

Yes, and it is the fundamental basis of Mormonism to believe without questioning. Take someone else's word for it, visions for it, and authority for it. I find it hypocritical that the fundamental scripture for Mormonism, James 1:27 "If ANY of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God. That giveeth to ALL men liberally..." is disregarded for the general member. All men can ask God directly and receive directly from God, eliminating the need of prophets to be God's Mouthpieces.

@Michael The Bible advises questioning.

@Michael "Prove all things, hold fast to that which is good." Thessalonians 5

For the leaders $$$ and power for the regular people hope

@@mckster56 It's been 3 years since I posted this and I finally got around to reading the Holy Bible KJV and it's clear that what the Mormon faith is teaching is against the scriptures, it took me a long time to read the Bible also, it was a hard read for me.

@@Siajd_92 Are you ex Mormon?

@@MeToo-py1tq I retired to the Philippines, I couldn't get my adopted kids out (long painful story) and well... there's not too many people that speak English and so the Mormon Missionary's came over and I couldn't resist conversation, it's been years since I can speak for lengthy periods English. Anyway... I didn't have the Holy Bible and I asked them if they had one I could buy and they ended up giving me a KJV only it had the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenance and they kept pushing me to read the Book of Mormon so.... I did lol... and we talk about it and man.... from the get go the first chapter told me everything about the Mormon faith but like a fool I continued on and ended up reading the entire Book of Mormon and the reason I wanted the Bible was to start out with the Old Testament. Anyway again... I couldnt' accept it, and then I began reading the Old Testament, I started the year before Covid and I began to see just how flawed the Mormon Faith is even to the fact that they prefer to call themselves the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Everything that I read points more to our Heavenly Father wanting our love and the focus really isn't Jesus or Gods only begotten son, Jesus was sent to try and turn things around with evil, forgiveness of sin and a new Covenant replacing Noah's Covenant and set up Gods Church on Earth and show how to run it properly so ... And after the resurection, Jesus showed the Apostles his wounds and he further instructed them to spread the word for 40 days before he ascended into Heaven. The Apostles were all executed years later and the church had already been set up and structured so no more need for further Apostles or anymore profits, everything has been said, everything has been done we are now waiting for the Final Day. Sorry for the long rant, I had to get it out.

The references are given under every quote.

Did you see the list of sources at the end of this video? There's your answer.

Yep, he is really weird, and all that shouting! What amuses me most about his rants is that he lies so openly. I wonder if he was kicked out of the LDS church? #

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+Rodrigo Diaz De Vivar You will lose, I can tell already.

sabastion642 I agree. Reminds me of several of the "Indian mounds" in the u.s.

Good observations.

Yes, eleven others testified in writing that they saw the plates. Seven say they actually handled them.

Yes a bunch of Joseph's friends and family said they saw the plates. Although Martin Harris claimed he saw them with his "spiritual eyes".

Wonder who has them now

If the Plates were shown today you would still find some way to cry fowl. Why the Mormons are rich they had them made.

Scott M Unfortunately, we will never get to see if your assertion is true.

Dan Vogel Your good at filling in the blanks Dan, interesting, you side stepped this one. If you worked as hard at asking "God it these things are not true" you would probably have a great testimony of the work. I am so glad I do despite my weaknesses. Hope the best for you.

***** Then you have given the mob do credit for there lies it appears.

+August Zabriskie I recall that one posted ''where did Norris Stearns, Elias Smith, Wild and James Marsh get their ideas from. those who truly seek will have similar experiences''

Willard Chase and Joseph Knight Sr. mention an 1824 visit to the hill without Alvin. He was tome return the next year with the right person, which was finally fulfilled with Emma. I don't think the requirement to bring Alvin was mentioned until he needed a reason for failing to get the plates.

@@danvogel6802 Thanks for the info, Dan. Love your work.

I've been to Carthage Jail many times and it is not "slathered with pentagrams." LOL. What you're referring to are anchor plates for the metal support rods used in building the jail. The star shaped anchor plates were common on American buildings erected in the 19th century. I lived in the Colonial Williamsburg area of Virginia, and those star anchor plates are on old farm houses, stores and public buildings that were erected around here in the 1800's.

robbiefl58 Silly Wabbit..

Dude, lets not turn to quackery. There's no need to. Let's just stick to things like the BoA and the kinderhook plates. Huh? Joey didn't "translate" a damn thing.

RedDelPaPa I agree. Joseph Smith did not translate anything. Joseph Smith WROTE "The Book of Mormon." It is completely fictional--it is folk-art--the product of the Federal Period American frontier. And as a Reform Mormon I accept it as scripture because ALL scripture of EVERY religion is art.

Astrology and Mormonism score about the same on the stupid scale.

You have nothing better to bitch about? Like really dude? Go cry with Brazil you just made the score 9-1

I guess the short answer is no.

Joseph Sonners Great answer

***** Do you mean all of them?...>>.no......Do you mean some of them that lost their faith in him and tried to kill him, yes....People are not just one or dozens or hundreds, but all of them. The majority did not and stood by him, even after his murder.

***** Many did, yet many came back to the government " D+C" Joseph setup, with Apostles after him to gather the sheep into the fold. James J. Strang did not last, he was murdered and have yet to be informed of his "apostles" baring their witness to "his-plates" all the remaining days of their lives, in fact all denied. Sidney Rigdon well a tortured soul, thought tooo much of himself, could not understand, Gods kingdom relied upon God to organize it with his servants, not take it upon themselves to counsel, God. Brigham Young well YOU know the history of that, no point re-educating you......fickle minded?..well lost for a brief period or disorganized would be a better term, but again, you know the history to this. Would I call you a traitor, well depends. Would you openly deny, what you know to be true after the Spirit had bore witness to your soul? Would you openly fight against Christs church and his servant Joseph Smith Jnr? Would you openly deny you had ever know the spirit and it told of the truthfulness of your testimonies in fast and testimony meetings? Would you openly deny Christ by stating you were blind all these years and now your eyes are open? To ANY of these, short answer = Yes! YOU obviously valued "MY" opinion to ask, am I correct?...But the Lord is far more merciful than what I am....It is HE that you should ask, because it is HIS kingdom that you walked away from, not mine!

***** Thank you for replying to me. Joseph is held in high esteem, ONLY because of the Lord chose and had chosen him only to recieve all the Lord wanted for "THAT GENERATION"...... Just as Peter was chosen for his generation and I would hap hazzards to guess, peter would have been mentioned, just as much, considering the miracles he did in the name of the Lord, also. The fact that Strang was ever considered as a legitimate successor to Joseph Smith is quite telling because he was close to Joseph and like Oliver, thought , { they } would naturally be selected or called of God to fill the vacant position of his death, as Elias was to Elijah?....But forgot God works independently from men and had [ always has] someone else in mind..Acts 1:26 is the example. The "mormons" belong to "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" -- plain and simple. Joseph was ever ONLY a servant" to Christ nothing more and how do I know this?....Well any prophet after him?. Section 122 of the D & C. was in fact what I was thinking, when I typed my response to you and why?.....Because the Lord knew and knows, who were loyal to Joseph, his servant....And for everyone to see, the words of the Lord are verified,almost daily to them that would accuse or cry,sinner, when they had not sinned in the first place...D+C 121 When Mormon missionaries come to my home, I proudly testify that Smith was a fraud. I ALWAYS tell them WHY...and they are NEVER able to refute me....Whats the point in arguing?..ONLY brings in contentions and anger and mistrust even hatred and allows lucifer the gain Allow me to state something which you may have never known?.......Almost every "mormon" has a trial of his/her faith once in their life time [ doubt caused either by friends or things which we cannot explain or by proof which is not available, right now ] which is ONLY natural......only natural... I too went through one of these, because I allowed myself to think [ whispered too ] , I was not worthy or good enough to live up to the standards [ w.o.w ].....Just as Peter and Paul realised God had a work for them and were not cast into hell forever, but were loved, even though they left him [ as I did ] , but never denied the church nor Prophet I repented and returned to the Lord, with his servant in charge of Pres Ezra T Benson, of my time period.

***** Why are you shocked, this was plain knowledge?.....found in (Doctrine and Covenants Section 132:52 - 53) And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God. 53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been faithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him. .....common knowledge but really WHO BOTHERS to read? Different times and different laws back then for marrying women...I have no problems with that Did YOU know "these" women wanted to be with Joseph, in his family with their husbands for eternity as a family? Joseph had ONLY ONE WIFE because there is no proof of anything as far as I know, he had children to other women...many have claimed but have not proved as such? I know your concerns, but really many things we do not know, nor recorded to make a complete and honest judgement of him and his times....There is much mis-information out there and it comes from people who have left and people who claim to know? YOU have the freedom to choose, to believe or not...but if you do, ask God, because he wont lie.

mormons son this is a verse stolen from the Bible and tweeted. The plagues of Egypt are Joseph's lot for adding to Gods word like that .

He has separate videos covering the witnesses.

JediMormon ...Moronism is a PROVEN fraud, and you are a schmendrick.

+Roy Chefets Or a schlemiel.

I thought the witnesses withdrew their testimony and stated that it was made up.

Those testimonies (written as one for three and one for eight) would carry far more weight if they weren't from his closest followers, who had already demonstrated their susceptibility to the story he was selling. I would rather a testimony from an independent witness, but apparently they weren't worthy enough to see them. What kind of precedent do we have for God banning the seeing of original source documents for scriptures? I mean, they weren't written by "the finger of God", just some ancient American guys. The problem is, if you were someone trying to perpetrate a fraud, the convenience of all these factors would certainly play in your favour.

If it works for you to revere a man who married other men's wives and copied the Masonic ceremony, go for it. Religion is all just a human construct anyway.

Cathedrals mosques an temples can be beautiful buildings but doesnt mean theyre true. also temples dont allow unbelievers in unlike the others. It means the lds church knows that its so crazy unbelievers wont believe it so they hide

@@kmills1231 they allow the public in before the dedicate them.

Acts 17:24-25

Praise to The Man that communed with Jehovah

+June Henderson No

+Aye Dee Really? Lets see, he wrote his experiences down and then had witnesses. What do you have but heresay and only accusation without fact. You have the lies of the mob and the bias media of the time and lets not forget up standing Gov. Lillburn Boggs what a great man for you, "Extermination 44", and then theirs General Wilson that said, "We Jackson County boys know how it is. We know that from the beginning the Mormons have not been the aggressors at all as it began in `33,. You Mormons were crowded to the last extreme, and compelled to self-defense; and this has been construed into treason, murder and plunder. We mob you without law; the authorities refuse to protect you according to law; you then are compelled to protect yourselves, and we act upon the prejudices of the public, who join our forces, and the whole is legalized, for your destruction and our gain. Is not this a shrewd and cunning policy on our part, gentlemen"? ..... then of course let not forget Hauns MIll 18 fathers and sons murdered in cold blood with press destroyed. Oh please, explain to me General Wilsons comment before you babble on. It will be interesting to here your response. and state the church you go to please.

Yup. Sure was.

What do you think about the hit that Joseph put out on Boggs that was almost accomplished by Porter Rockwell?

liar, he studied real gold plates, he did not stick his head in a hat and also Joseph Smith did not create the mormon faith so he could have sex with 12 year old girls, marry other men's wives when their husbands were away on missions and so he could keep 10% of everyone's earnings. The mormons were promised that they would become Gods on planet kolob when they died

Yep, I think you're right!!

There is good reason to be skeptical. Thanks for your comment.

@@danvogel6802 Love your videos. I have learned so much.

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awolLDSasap you're right Jesus is God ! The very physically expressed image of God in the flesh. And he is God all by himself. No other .

+JEM Seven Sorry, I don't believe in magic underwear, neither does the LDS Church... Never has. I guess that's just another of the thousands of false statements one has come to expect from AntiMormons.

LOL.... That has got to be the stupidest response I have ever seen..... does that mean if I was to tie a string around my finger to remind me of something; and then I remember it later because of the string, then the string is somehow MAGICAL! LOL... Really???? It protects you against temptation because it serves to remind you of the covenants you made with God, much the same way wearing a cross does to a Christian.... there is nothing physical or magical about that. Yes there are some that while wearing a cross or carrying a Bible into battle, it has stopped a bullet; that doesn't give the cross or the Bible any power. God could of simply of used those means to show forth His power. My sister for instance was in a plane crash where she received 3rd degree burns everywhere but in a certain area where she was wearing a certain article of clothing. However, if you were to ask her, she would tell you the garments had nothing to do with it, it was the power of God which spared her for His purpose, not the cloth or the symbols she was wearing.

Just when i thought you couldn't say anything dumber... you do. The irony is that the only one that is talking about... or who has talked about "magic underwear", is you! Nowhere in any statement from the church does it say that the garment has any magical or supernatural powers, I even stated that have never believed it did, and that my sister doesn't believe so either, even though she alone could make a case for it. I simply don't limit God, and how He wants to display His Power like you do... If God wants to show Himself as a burning bush, who am I to argue that He can not... I just don't give any Power to the bush, nor would I worship the bush... Read Matthew 9:20-22... was the healing Power in Christ? did it come from the garment Christ was wearing? or was it in the women's faith? where did the supernatural power come from?

+JEM Seven I'm sorry... You're just too stupid to have any further communication with.... Par for the course for an AntiMormon I guess.

***** "temper tantrums" Really???? LOL... I do this for the fun of it, I am not here to defend my church. All I do is expose how silly your arguments are.

+Stephanie Gone think again.

Joseph Smith the convicted conman, created mormon faith so he could have sex with 12 year old girls, marry other men's wives when their husbands were away on missions and so he could keep 10% of everyone's earnings. The cult members were promised that they would become Gods on planet kolob when they died

Read the Book of Mormon and pray for the Holy Spirit to confirm its' divinity. Joseph Smith was martyred as Prophet of God.

easy: men cant become gods. there is no evidence supporting your claim. the default position is disbelief. consider your point refuted.

James tee Kirk SAYS WHO?

what evidence do we have that a man can become a god? the burden of proof is yours.

also, that comeback was old in 3rd grade.

James tee Kirk WHAT PROOF IS IT THAT WE ARE NOT DREAMING?

Most Mormon apologists use "probably" and "may have" and "possibly" frequently in their apologetics.

There were no plates used to transcribe the Book of Mormon. It was all done with a rock in a hat. The Mormon church has misrepresented the manner of the 'translation" for over a hundred years.

deskjockie49 - That makes it even more remarkable. Thank you.

I'm gonna go out on a limb tyndale and say you didn't watch the video.

Poot Daggy - You put too much trust in Mr Vogel who is himself struggling to put forth yet another theory for the incredible power of the Book of Mormon narrative. It changes lives. There are so many such theories that it boggles the mind. As I study LDS church history and put the teachings of the Book of Mormon to the test, I am amazed by its truth. This Joseph Smith character is truly exceptional. How much of the Book of Mormon have you read?

tyndale, so I assume that's a "yes" to Poot Daggy's question?

cdowis These are just empty assertions without examples. Reviews by apologists that don't relate to the above video is merely trying to poison the well. That apologists try to counter my works is hardly surprising.

Dan Vogel Dan, You and I already had a detailed discussions elsewhere, and no need to repeat myself since you again will simply "forget" the points. You take sources which have specifically addressed the vision of the Three Witnesses, and applied them to the Eight Witnesses. You then completely discount their clear statement, without any pretense of justification. You quote a report of a "statement" by Martin Harris to a group of people. Your source is the only one who recorded this statement, despite its shocking nature. Nobody else reported this statement. And you cannot vouch for this one individual's integrity. You then turn from scholarship to fiction, giving us a scenario of the Eight Witnesse experience taken completely from your imagination, constructed out of whole cloth. You clearly already had a conclusion where you are desperately seeking sources to confirm that bias, regardless of their reliability. AND if you cannot find a source, YOU ARE NOT SHY IN SIMPLY USING YOUR IMAGINATION. Anyway, we've had this conversation with specific details, and I see no need in a further discussion with you, so I give you the courtesy of having the last word.

cdowis Joseph Smith stated that the Book of Mormon is the keystone of our religion.he sealed his testimony of the Book of Mormon with his own blood,and there were multiple eye witnesses to the Golden plates.thus, only those who hate the truth will give a thumbs up to this video

cdowis You have major problems in Mormanism matching up with the bible. Think about it . Different gospel, different Jesus. In Mormanism without Joseph Smith it all goes away. Think about it.

Week?

***** OPPS THANKS. CORRECTION WEAK.. MY SPELLING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT IS WEAK!

The gospels: Mark and Luke are anonymous, and were not written by Mark and Luke.

So. Writing on metal plates was known in JS time. JS had to explain how the record survived. You need to research these things more. This has been dealt with before.

Dan Vogel HAHAHA THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS WERE FOUND IN 1947 A HUNDRED YEARS AFTER JOSEPH SMITH WAS DEAD. YOU NEED TO LEARN HISTORY.

Read what I wrote. The Dead Sea Scrolls have nothing to do with it. Bible commentaries in JS's day mention writing on metal plates, metal books with rings. Johann Jahn wrote in 1823 that “those [ancient] books, which were inscribed on tablets of wood, lead, brass, or ivory, were connected together by rings at the back, through which a rod was passed to carry them by” (Jahn’s Biblical Archaeology, Thomas C. Upham, trans. [Andover, 1823], 95-96). Cf. The Evening and the Morning Star 1 (Jan. 1833), in which W. W. Phelps quotes from Jahn’s book. Thomas Hartwell Horne, An Introduction to the Study of Bibliography, 2 vols. (London, 1814), 1:33-35, discusses the ancient use of lead books and brass and copper plates; Claudius Buchanan, The Star in the East, 10th Amer. ed. (Boston, 1811), 48-49, says that the Jews of Cochin, India, who Buchanan believed were remnants of the lost ten tribes, kept a history of their journey to those parts on “plates of brass”; Bernard de Montfaucon, Antiquity Explained, and Represented in Sculptures, 2 vols. (London, 1721), 2:241-42, contains a description and drawing of an Egyptian gnostic book of lead. There also claims of finding copper plates inscribed with characters in the mounds in North America.

Dan Vogel FOR MORE THAN ONE HUNDRED YEARS ANTI MORMONS LAUGHED AT THE BOOK OF MORMONS CLAIM THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN ON PLATES OF GOLD AND THAT THE HEBREWS HAD ALSO WROTE ON BRASS PLATES. HOWEVER FOUND AMONG THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS WAS THE SO CALLED COPPER SCROLL (WHICH WAS ACTUALLY BRONZE PLATES ). IN BOTH CASES THE BRONZE PLATES AND THE BRASS PLATES WERE FROM JERUSALEM. THE BOOK OF MORMON CLAIMS THE ORIGINAL ALPHABET OF THE BOOK OF MORMON WAS REFORMED EGYPTIAN AND IN THE HEBREW LANGUAGE. ANTI MORMONS LAUGHED CLAIMING THE HEBREWS WOULD NEVER USE EGYPTIAN TO PRODUCE AN ALPHABET THUS THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS REFORMED EGYPTIAN.. HOWEVER THE GREAT EGYPTOLOGIST FLINDERS PETRIE, BIBLICAL SCHOLAR WILLIAM F. ALBRIGHT, AND MODERN EGYPTOLOGIST JOHN DARNELL HAVE DISCOVERED THAT THE HEBREW/PHOENICIAN ALPHABET WAS CREATED BY REFORMING EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPHICS AND USING HEBREW LANGUAGE. THIS IS EXACTLY AS THE BOOK OF MORMON DESCRIBES!!! ANTI MORMONS HIDE THESE FACTS!!!!!

@@henochparks You are full of Crap Stolen Valor, Talked to Don Shipley about you mister fake army Ranger Sniper. You are a fake and are as fake as your church you fraud. TAKE DOWN THAT PICTURE YOU WERE NEVER IN. Having to use a pic of your daddy to say its you. You know I have no respect for Losers that hit women. I get you are so stupid as to claim you had a Silver star and didnt know there is a list maintained of EVERYONE who got it and there has NEVER BEEN ANYONE NAMED PARKS who got it. To say nothing about your daddy's really disappointing DD214. No Ranger, no medals at all, no sniper, no firearms expert, hell he didn't even get Expert.

Putnam suggested that the plates were a mixture of gold and copper, but they would either still be too heavy or of such high copper content would corrode. My reference to Harris claiming the plates were either gold or lead and that the Smiths couldn’t afford either was to show Harris didn’t know how much gold weighs since he said they weighed forty or fifty pounds. At a 30 percent reduction for unevenness and spacing of the plates, gold might be adjusted to 140.5 pounds, lead to 80.15, which doesn’t change my observation about Harris. I didn’t question his weight estimate of between 40-50 pounds or his reliability. On bending the rings with a vice as you suggest, I don’t know how that would work out in the woods. He could have used some kind of bending device, but still injured his thumb. On running with the plates: This was to show that the plates would have to be on the light side of the estimates to be believable to his family.

None of the witnesses ever saw the plates with their natural eyes, only their "spiritual eyes." It's really interesting stuff, you should "look" into it. I think you'll find it eye opening (puns intended).