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I always had to laugh at how well Nel, Albel, Roger and Adray just rolled with it. Like, think of the timeline, there is literally days worth of time from them knowing their world is all there really is, to learning there are these fish dudes and anime protags with world ending powers and tech spanning thousands of worlds better than theirs, to learning all of existence was a plaything for people, to learning their entire religion was just a little makeshift experiment of the programmers of said plaything as a contingency if things went wrong. Took it like champs.
I love this game, this was the game that invented achievents before they even existed, in the name of battle throfies, and some of them where absolutely insane to pull off
The biggest insult about this story twist is that Squeenix, having realized that they wrote themselves in a corner, now only insist on making PREQUELS for the rest of the series. Which means everything you do in all those games still means your life has been VRChat with that nutcase as the project lead.
The ending deals with philosophy & the deeper meaning of what it is to exist, Cliff even spelled it out earlier in the game for dumb people "I think therefore I am" referencing the 17th century philosopher René Descartes who brought the idea that you know you exist because of the fact you are thinking about the issue, thereby making everything else around you open to interpretation. So the fact that another dimension SEEMINGLY created their universe it in fact was just that they made a universe template that ended up connecting to their universe as it matched exactly what made up their reality(multiverse theory in the story says all universes that can be imagined exist) this was a tool to initiate the philosophical debate whether they truly existed to which Cliff made the reference that it didn't matter because I think therefor I am thus confirming they all did exist and were real.
@@HereticDuo bro don't waste your breath.. same people who hate the story/ending are the same people who believe the Earth is the center of the universe.. they fail to realize that simulation theory isn't that farfetched of an idea and it doesn't take away from any of the other games.. although I do think so3 is too good of a game to be lumped up with the rest of the star ocean games.
The crazy thing is the game came out before simulation theory was that well known. That shit blew my 14 year old mind. Then when I got older I realized people hated it and I have no idea why.
I have to admit the story could've been done so much better, but to say the plot twist is bad out of all things just confuses me. Atleast somebody give me an explanation to why they think it's so bad.
@@austinchery "Atleast somebody give me an explanation to why they think it's so bad. " Literally the comment itself is the explanation. Nothing you do in the story matters because its all just unreal. All the build up, all the exploration and progression, not yours but of mankind, and others and everything else, its all just a plaything and you're fighting some company boss thats trying to delete this game. It just ruins the whole stakes and emotions of the game because how poorly it comes off, almost feels like a parody game like Deadpool.
I loved this game, i played it like 8 times, (Mass Effect i played though 10 times) the story was amazing and i loved the 4D plot twist..i thought the vandeeni alone were a good antagonist. The Music in this game makes this game. and the story was amazing!
I have had this crazy idea of making a 2D Anime fighting videogame with star Ocean characters. With all the powers they have it would be an awesome game..QUICK SOMEBODY PASS THIS IDEA TO ARC SYS WORKS 😭
I bought this game, never having played a star ocean game before it, because a sci-fi RPG (with laser swords and shit) sounded really rad. You can imagine my disappointment when 99% of this game took place on a generic medieval planet.
That was the beauty of it .. that's wat made it different .. it's sci-fi but with medieval weapons / magic.. no game is this good except for maybe legend of Zelda / Fable.
Yeah, I found that imbalance to be jarring and disappointing. And the plot twist, well it was alright, it was sorta shocking but also it left a weird taste in my mouth.
I get the purpose behind UP3 but why would Fayt, who was stranded remember, create the worst sword in the game? Access to all that tech and he picks the Blah Blade or whatever it's called. Literally every sword you pick up thereafter is better. If anything, him creating that sword is a bit out of place because now he's walking around with something so bad, you can't get it anywhere in the game. It's anachronistic in the opposite direction.
You know what's interesting? I almost forgot about the UP3 in this game, but in the sequel, Last hope, it shows how dangerous it can be if that law was ignored. Crazy.
"Why would he create the worst sword in the game" Because the dude was trying to keep a low profile and wanted to defend himself if he had to. Which falls in line with the story. If he would have made a badass mega sword, it would have been jarring if the characters didn't ask him about his weapon or the craftsmanship. Vangard III was already dealing with other worldly weapons from Norton and Fayt was even asked if he was part of Norton's gang, which probably would have gotten him killed by the villagers if he had a weird sword that didn't look like it was crafted on a 16th century planet.
The story was ok until the 4D Thing came it just ruined the whole story and events that happend. I mean in games like Hack. this works because you know it that you are in the game from begining.
I always wanted to go through that western gate (or eastern?) to explore the advanced kingdom Nel's people were at war with. The damn thing was always locked!
skudzer1985 Eastern i think. And it was to the kingdom of Greeton (?). And they weren't at war with anyone. They closed themself off from the feuding humans, I believe. Although same. I wanted to go there badly.
Never finished this game because of the odd leveling system. Never could figure out why all places (including backwater planets) all seemed to use the exact same currency (fol). The "plot twist" actually explains that. XD
I recall that Nel, Adray, Albel, and Peppita were interchangeable in certain playthroughs. You could only ever get three out of the four based on certian decisions in game. On my first time playing, I didnt even know Adray was even in the game. Also yeah, i forgot Roger because he is so unimportant to the story.
SugarPunch Design Works I never knew that you could go through the game without Adray, though I knew Roger and Peppita were optional. I should go back and play it again
This one is really well done, both in remembering and being the correct level of mad over the plot twist. SO3 poisoned the well so bad, TriAce is afraid to do anything past this game in the series.
@@karry299 you need to explain in a way that it makes sense, without trying to make a certain plot look bad just cause it happened, but how it happened that made it bad. Cause otherwise it sounds like some dumbshit reasons you're cooking up, like that you just hated it's anime that only a handful are aware of so you hate the games.
@@StarzAlpha The way you're trying to proclaim so hard, sounds like you just hate games for having a significant shift in status quo at a significant point, and if thats the case, its total bs. Star Ocean 2 is the other game I played, with a similar twist. Had enough buildup and foreshadowing, was fleshed out and finally was given stakes for the reason for it to happen. My only gripe being the timeframe being so exaggerated, but aside that, everything made so much sense in the context. Its 3 that didn't do enough to justify the change, just ruining the plot of the world in a meager attempt at existential crisis without trying to establish it properly in-universe.
4D beings, Reapers, the concept has never really paid off well regardless of who does it. I almost wonder if having this mysterious outer dimensional/galaxy threat is even good story telling to begin with.
My problem here is not they weren't paid off cause they were, but there were lacks of explanation, as in plot holes in the dozens. One in particular spawning many questions, the time gate. Why bother telling them if they were gonna destroy them anyway? More so, the "bug" that they're hinted at fixing is implied to be the trio of our characters who were in fact created after said warning. Not to mention their form of antivirus were created in the form of in-universal cosmic beings that were wiping out anything but the problems (in fact saving Fayt from the Vendeeni while they could've taken him out alongside the planet) but didn't seem absolutely invincible (like at least two of these were destroyed by the good guys). What I'm getting at is, why bother with all the theatrics? Maybe most of its just nitpicking, but when you set up such an insane plot twist, you need more than a few handwavey explanations. At least some made sense, like how Fayt and crew being able to take on these monsters (being created to counter the 4D threat and all) but still, far from enough.
Honestly this was my first star ocean, the opening theme was AMAZING and maybe I’m biased because this was my gateway RPG game but I will always love this game and prefer it. Granted I haven’t played the others BUT STILL
Yup this was my first and only so3 game.. So5 was horrible and made me lose hope for ever finding a game close to the quality of so3.. so unique , so simple yet complex but not overwhelming
the catharsis of finding out the story of this game was panned by fans after dropping it hard at the plot twist and not having the patience to climb the 100 story tower. I guess I was pretty close to the end at least. I also really shouldn't have taken a fresh low level Peppita with me ti=o that arc...
Had to stop before i got hooked and jumped back into this game. Also couldn't understand the language after "Mirage is best girl" I believe in English, it's "Nel is best girl."
Star Ocean stories have always been kind of rubbish, but the optional character interactions, at least in the first two games, are amazing. Wanna just skip all that and fight bosses and complete the game? Cool. Wanna stop in a town and get a drink with another party member, causing them to bond and behave a little differently in combat? Go ahead. It's those I play the games for; there isn't really much in the way of angsty JRPG drama, just a group of friends on a journey together, and the ability to walk into a town, find the other party members, and just hang out, is not something you saw enough of in games back then. The SO games end up being not about the story, but how your characters are affected by it, and I love that so much. Unfortunately, later games stripped that part down. Star Ocean 3 was where they first started to skimp on the party interaction stuff and significantly reduce the amount of alternate endings, and to skimp on all the "how the journey changes you" stuff in the game that intended to bring up the moral quandary of what even constitutes your perception of "you" was a massive misstep. That to me is why it doesn't work, and that is what I think people have in mind when they accuse it of undermining everything. It would've been so interesting to have the characters' affection levels change their reaction to the Eternal Sphere reveal for instance - Fayt and Cliff questioning the nature of the friendship they've built; Albel feeling vindication for being a dick all the time; but they didn't do anything of the sort.
Albel was my dude, on god! Though, I disagree that this game has the “worst Plot Twist of all time”…on the contrary. Considering how this game was mostly developed (at the time) before the Squaresoft/Enix merge, the twist and 3rd Act itself was a ballsy FU to their future second-half (and rivals before then). The Eternal SPHERE being a stand in for Square; the whole aspect of their universe mattering immensely to them yet the occupants of the “4D Space” only see it as a distraction/potential solution to their perpetual boredom since their society was basically the Utopia/Hegelian “End of History” that people are so cocksure they’d want as Communists/Socialists. I thought it was pretty clever (for the time) going back to it a couple years ago (to get every Battle Trophy/Inventor/1000 Bunny Race wins)…when you divorce it from the in-game context (metatextual). But compared to the story of Star Ocean 2/Second Story or even Star Ocean/First Departure, it’s an absolute slap in the face 🤷🏽♂️
Star Ocean Till the End of Time only gets called "the worst plot twist in video game history" because it wasn't what you personally wanted it to be. The plot twist was absolutely fine in my book. In fact I would have found it very cliche if the Time Gate took you to the "Demon World" or "Heaven". I mean no one has told me why the plot twist was bad objectively. Everyone comes up with the same (and I am going to say it) excuse of "oh it literally didn't matter because it was all a game lol". The story takes this into account and they want to prove to Luther that they aren't just things or toys to be pushed around, yet time and again people who argue the "Video Game/VRCHAT LOL" criticism the game is....they completely forget that the characters weren't just "things", they were more than that. Also the reason Fayt can do Ethereal Blast, the gigantic laser attack that whipped out a Vendeeni ship, was because of the Destruction Gene. I will admit that they really didn't give a good explaination of what Symbological Genetics was, but it still follows the rules the universe provides. I mean Star Ocean 2 had the 10 Wisemen and Indalecio/Gabriel had the power to destroy the entire universe with the Crest of Annihilation. Star Ocean 3's plot wasn't bad, it was different, and different doesn't mean bad. I am sorry that you actually didn't get to fight angels and demons in 4D Space and fight the reincarnation of Yahweh or whatever like you all wanted, but that's your problem.
Once again, that's your opinion, which is boring to debate in the first place because you can't debate with opinions. What's actually garbage is not hearing an objective reason why the plot twist was bad. You just said "I don't know how to end this, fuck it", like you know what the writers are thinking at the time. Nice try champ, you don't have ESP or mind reading abilities, so you're going to have to try again with that. People not liking the plot twist isn't the issue, I could literally give two fucks if anyone likes it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however your opinion has absolutely no basis whatso ever in debate. People say it's the worst ending ever objectively, and sorry to say but the burden of proof lies on you morons to prove that. Maybe one day I will hear an actual argument instead of shitty nonsense that is literally copied and pasted from everyone else. Get a new trick, this one is old.
Ok, so basically towards the end the game because an endless boss rush with no character or story development, ending in a twist that undoes ALL of the character development and lore in all three games that were out at the time. Within the narrative of the story, NONE of it was real anymore and it did not make sense that video game characters would just jump out of their own games with barely an explanation. It's improbable and we don't learn anything new about our characters after the reveal of the 4D world other than "they want to exist." bfd, tell me something interesting about the last boss. All the previous conflicts in the game are suddenly dropped for a tacked-on existential crisis. So either everything before the "plot twist" felt like a total waste or it should've had just skipped to that part and then fleshed out the characters because at the very least it was not a very good transition.
TL;DR It felt like how it would probably feel if Star Wars or Lord of the Rings turned out to actually be all taking place in a VIDEO GAME within a MOVIE. Or if the entire Harry Potter series was revealed to be an escapist hallucination to cope with abuse.
I spent hundreds of hours on Star Ocean 2, and i loved the story of Star Ocean 3. I thought it was very original when i played it (2004 or something), at that time, there were not a lot of stories or movies that was questionning reality (as i knew, at least), and the main twist was unexpected. But I guess it's so cool to destroy a story by pretending being dumb, replacing names, not explaining anything, and pretending it's trash and illogical, just because it's unusual (like in the video i mean). But for me it's one of the best stories i played, i was really into it (considering it was 15 years ago).
Till the End of Time was and is a top 10 RPG, up there with Chrono Trigger and FFVII. Literally everything about it, especially at the time, was insanely good. I cannot hate this game. That twist also blew my mind the first playthrough. Now, admittedly, it was my first Star Ocean game, so I didn’t have any prior nostalgia, lore or understanding destroyed by the twist. As a purely standalone game, TTEOT is a masterpiece. As a Star Ocean game, it might be confusing and bad. I don’t know, I have only played SO2 since, and that is pretty good still.
What? I liked the story. I thought it and the plot twist was cool. Still do now. The concept of UP3 and the pay off of it starting in (spoilers but not really for a 13 year old game…)The Last Hope was pretty cool to see.
This is my first time watching this series, and I'm hooked already! I've got a Chrome tab open for every video you do where I've actually played the game (Don't worry, I've got like 16 cores and 128 RAM, so I can just BARELY have those tabs open) and I can't wait to watch them all. Mostly because I don't normally finish the story of video games, so you're doing it for me 🙂
hmmm you forgot some parts, i don't remember the klingons (yeah, i don't remember their names either, and i literally start playing this again a couple of months ago) workingwith the 4d beigns, the parents of fayt, one of the parents of sophia and 1 of the parents of maria (maybe both of maria and 1 of fayt) did experiments on them to put some special symbols in their dna so they could fight the 4d beigns, which said to them (those scientists) that they were going to be deleted 'cause they were reaching the technology (the exact same experiments they did to their children) of their creators (the 4d beigns) and in the end, the boss of "ubisoft" named lucifer still deleted the universe or galaxy maybe, or a sector, but fayt realize that if they think they exist and suddenly everything that was deleted came into existence again, i agree that the plot twist is dumb, but i had no problem with it
Honestly, I never really had a big issue with the plot twist of Star Ocean 3, because any sufficiently advanced simulation would be basically indistinguishable from reality. And if the people in that simulation are capable of thinking for themselves, that makes them alive and sentient just as much as we are. Just fun philosophical things to think about.
My problem with the game isn't the plot twist(even though it's very...questionable and is pretty much the sole reason why they wont make any other game take place after SO3) My problem is that you're on Elicoor III for pretty much the entire game. Like how you gonna tell me that we video games and NOT let me explore the 4D world more than just a small city, an arcade and a lab.
So it's like FFX in that you play as a character that isn't real fighting against the creators of this world that is not real. People who use technology that you aren't allowed to use. For reasons...
