Trying OIL PAINTS on Minis for the FIRST Time 

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Nice tree broski. Those tubes of paint will be in your family for many generations.

Renoir and Cézanne think they're so cool with their slow-drying oil paints, but I don't see them putting out a video every week

"So, I don't know where to start." Marco Frisoni, here on youtube; is where you start. Edit: and there he is, mentioned at the end of your video. Lol

My wife just asked why I was watching a guy playing with broccoli. I can't unsee it now.

In a hundred years, people will still speak in hushed whispers about the oil-painted ent that is still drying

BMC - I'm just gonna wait for this to dry overnight. Me - *Dies laughing*

Today on Black Magic Craft: We make mustard, brown sauce, and pea soup from a tube!

Check James Wappel's channel and his Twitch - the struggle when transitioning to oil colours is normal but once you understand how to layer the paints and to work with thinner it's a whole new world.

This video pretty much shows why I am always amazed by anyone who attempts to use oils to paint their minis. The amount of patience involved is incredible.

Fun fact: Regarding the smell of grass to the oil paints, the oil medium in many oil paints - linseed oil - is as the name implies extracted from flax seeds and is edible. The pigments on the other hand...

Full bodied oil paints take literally months to fully cure. You can touch the surface after several days, but it's not really set for a very long time. Your solution for starting with acrylics and then oil washing over is perfect. Also, usually acrylic is immune to oil thinners so a clear coat between layers isn't needed. Test that, thought, I'm not sure it holds for all different kinds of thinners.

When I read the title I was like “oh god, this is gonna go well...”

As someone who took a semester of oil painting. One tip i can give is, dawn dish soap is awesome for cleaning the paint! It’ll even get it out of clothes if you’re fast enough!

Oils can be great fun and is a challenge worth trying out. So glad to see you branching out and trying new things! I find that a good gloss varnish before adding the wash makes all the difference, and then this again to fix before adding another layer. They also do thinners/ mineral oil they say is odorless, there's still a slight smell but not what you're used to.

Shout out to Marco Frisoni, he changed my painting life

Windsor & Newton makes a set of really nice "water mixable" oils. They behave like oils, but you can clean up/ thin with soap and water. They're a great choice if you're working in an enclosed space and/or don't want to use solvents.

For anyone looking to watch more oil painting stuff James Wappel does magical things with them and makes it looks effortless!

Somewhere the hairs on the back of James Wappel's neck just stood up for no reason.

Experimentation, experimentation, experimentation. Trial and Error, this is what I love about the hobby. Again and again trying new things is always fun and challenging at times with results to learn from and appreciate.

Just in case no one has said also check out James Wappel. I was just as scared to try oils but they are sooooooo much fun when you understand what you need to do as its a totally different method of painting.

I always appreciate your “ride the learning curvewith me” videos. Makes me feel less intimidated by new techniques!!

Gotta say the reason I enjoy your videos so much is your willingness to explore new things without fear of making mistakes. Gives me the bravery to try new things and just jump in! Very cool project!

As soon as I heard you talking about drying times I knew disaster was imminent. My wife does oil paintings on canvas and she talks about it taking months to dry. She puts on thicker coats but yeah, it takes a while. A lot of the miniature painters I watch talk about using oils after they put most of the paint on with acrylics, using the oils for things like the washing and for the final touches. But go you for diving right into the deep end.

I swapped to using oils exclusively a while back, and it's something that slowly went from 'this is absolute rubbish' to 'this is the best way to paint things'. A large positive is that you can easily find what pigments are in paints, so color mixing is ezpz. Edit: Add Venetian red and a titanium white to your collection, and you'll have basically anything you'd want to mix basic skin tones (and also the entire palette I used for painting up a ton of goblins).

I LOVE Marco’s videos! He does such a good job explaining how to use other mediums for miniature painting. I was so excited to hear you give him a shout out! He needs more love! I’m also quite enjoying your new inspirational experiments! Keep up the awesomeness!

I paint with oils and acrylics on canvas, and I have some tips that might help! - As a lot of people are stating, oils take forever (weeks) to dry, especially on a nonabsorbent surface. Great for blending, not so great for something you'll be picking up. - You can put oils over acrylic- something that'd speed up your process is doing your base coats in acrylic. The acrylic has to be completely dry, and you CAN'T put acrylic over oils because the acrylic will eventually just crack and flake off. - Liquin is the thinner I use to do washes in oils on canvas. It's got all kinds of health hazards like flammability and skin irritation if you get it on you, but my washes dry within a few hours. I've used linseed oil and solvent free fluid to thin my oils, but liquin is by far my favorite because it dries much more quickly.

Having just started building terrain I do a lot of "experiments " up until my latest project everything I've built has been done with "trash" and construction scraps. Ive learned a lot from you and other RU-vid channels and have made leaps and bounds in my abilities. I enjoy the experiments as much as the actual crafting.

@Black Magic Craft, Thank you so much for being such an inspiration for me. Today, I bought my first mini painting supplies, and I just want you to know that you have really inspired so many people to start this amazing hobby. Thank you for being so cool!

Please do a video comparison of your home-made wash VS oil wash VS manufactured washes

Sometimes rushing headlong into things like that is fruitful and produces unexpected results. Also can be quite fun! Don't bash yourself for not studying oils beforehand - we all do that from time to time... and begin checking the manuals only after breaking our new toys 😉 Your first treant should fully dry in about a month (but the outer layers must cure quicker and allow for finishing touches) and will be rocking the bookshelf along with his friend. Thank you for this unusual episode, personally I'm sure going to dig out my old oil paints and see if I can make washes out of them!

I love that you just went for it. Even if it didn't work out quite the way you planned. I'm glad I got to watch with fascination and a little sympathy as you tried this out.

I smiled heavily. I watched Marcos videos and took a diffrent approach. I painted some models from The Drowned Earth with Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Black and White. I put a zenithal prime on and then my satisfaction increased exponetialy :) I put one color in and pushed the others from the shadows or the edge into it. My minis looking like the characters from "No one left to fight" and i love it.

Hey Jeremy, try laying down your acrylic paint first as your base coat then thinning out your oils thinner than acrylic and use as a glaze. Allow 2-3 days for a final dry time. Acrylic is used as a quick base in most oil paintings to get a rough design. Oil paints don’t like acrylic on top of it because the oils won’t dry and everything will flake off. Awesome work!

What I usually use oils for is a gung wash. It works best on larger flatter surfaces with panel lines and areas for the wash to collect. Take un-thinned oil and slap it on thick over a surface. Then take a lint free cloth and wipe it off. It will leave panel lines and other areas with a nice dirty look. Don't use too dark of oil over to light a surface because it can give a coffee stain appearance.

I'm only halfway through the video so you've probably already figured this out, but I want to pass this along in case it can be of help. (not commenting from my art channel whoops) I paint model horses in oils, and with model horses you have to have a super flat, non-textured end surface or it won't sell as well as it could. I've figured out in my own trial and error, that oils are the opposite of acrylics. Use a drying agent to speed up the drying process (I use cobalt but there are others) and don't overdo it or you could get cracking from the oils drying too quickly. (and use thin layers, they'll dry to a workable layer-over state overnight) White and black stay wet a lot longer than other pigments, so plan for that when using them. Use mineral spirits to clean your brush in-between layers if you don't want brush textures; don't thin your paint Use the paint straight out of the tube and put it on an absorbent palette like cardboard to absorb excess oil. add a drop of drier and mix it in, and then take a very small amount on your brush, and dry-brush onto the model. Oils spread, so you're able to work it in a dry-brush way a LOT more than with acrylics Other than that, play around with different soft brushes (I use acrylic-intended brushes for oil painting) and shapes, and try different stroke techniques to get different effects. Ever since figuring out how to use oils to paint models, I really only use my airbrush for base coats anymore :D Keep up the great content!!

Ninjon also has some videos where he explains oil paints/washes for beginners.

Be careful with owning too much oil... Merica likes that stuff alot

this s why i love the channel, i don't really research much myself just jump into things

Holy crap you those tubes will last you forever! Also definitely Check out James Wappel’s videos on oil painting miniatures.

Vince Venturella and James Wappel are two names I'd recommend for looking into painting miniatures with oil paints. Thanks for sticking through with it, even though the initial go around was nowhere near what you were expecting! ^_^

One of the ways to use oils is to try the "Grisaille" method. It's easy and you are pretty much doing it now: base coat black, darker grey, lighter grey and a white drybrush (less and less pressure each time) and then the thin glazes of oils!! Viola.... you are a master painter just like the Dutch Masters

The oil paints smell organic because the oil is plant based. Most oil paints are mixed in linseed oil! I used to do canvas painting with oil paints, I never thought to use them on my minis. However, seeing the oil wash perform like I wish acrylic washes would I might have to make a stop at my craft store!

There's a Bob Ross, oil painting, and happy little trees joke in here somewhere....

I haven’t painted with oil paint in like 12 years. I was like 😈 when you talked about letting the first one dry lol

oh man. I felt it when you tested out painting oil straight on. I have never had a good experience with that. A week of dry time? No thanks! Your second attempt was great and really shows the (accessible) strength of oils: Enhancing underlying acrylic colours.

I love these vids where you just try out new things in a process that is not a perfect designed "how to". This is totally my perspective to go through new subjects. Very nice :)

I've searched for a channel about black magic and found a good video with a very talented man! 👏👍🌳💚🌱

Windsor & Newton makes a product called Liquin. Mix it with your oil paint and it will dry overnight at the latest.

I have a mini I painted with oils more than 2 months ago. Still waiting for it, to dry. :D After that project I bought a bottle of accelerator.

I remember doing oil painting for university & it took months for the stuff to dry. & apparently there are painting that are 100s of years old that if you scrape the outer layer of paint there is wet paint underneath.

It’s been a fascinating journey watching you grow your skill set Jeremy! You inspire me every week. Thank you!

Try using Abteilung 502 modelling oil paints. They are specially designed for modelling, they don't have as much oil (which is what keeps the paints wet for days). Put some on a piece of cardboard for about an hour and the excess oils drain out of it. Then it dries in way less time (depending on the colour).

Having dabbled in oils for a brief moment and watching videos, this is oddly hilarious watching your learning moment.

Thanks for this video and the links. I live in an area that doesn't really have acrylic paints but dozens of places have oil paints so this is great for me

Great video for anyone thinking about starting with oils. It's warts and all !!

I would recommend basing with acrylics before going in with the oils. It allows you to have a solid baseof color that won't be affected by or mix with subsequent layers of oils. Also, if you want to go with traditional painting technique, dark to light is a good method. Dark colors will be more transparent, the lightertints will be more opaque.

Way better, I advise you to check James Wappel. He is the best reference for painting with oils. Great video.

Welcome to the oil painting party BMC! I discovered this a few months ago and I’m thrilled with it. Glad to see you passing this on to your crowd!

Your honesty never ceases to get old.. That my friend is what makes you one of the best online

You inspired me to start crafting for my DnD group. Got some pillars made, and was up till 2am last night making like 300 bricks for some ruined modular walls. Love the videos man, thanks.

That's really cool about the oil washes, my wife and I both said wow seeing it

Crafters brain: Get the larger one, its cheaper and you'll use it for other crafts Crafter: Naw, I should just get enough to test the product out first Crafters brain: Ummmm did I stutter?

Love Marco's videos. Fun watching this too

Fun stuff! And oily. As someone who used Testor's paints way back when to paint old Ral Partha lead miniatures in the 80's, I can tell you I don't miss the smell of turpentine in small cramped spaces, lol! :) Fun stuff to do when you're 14 though.

This is giving me the confidence to try this. Had some oil paints sitting around for a while but been nervous to jump in. Also I 3D print with FDM so I’ve been nervous about layer lines showing up more. Marco Frisoni is a genius, love his stuff.

Look into Abteilung 502 oil paint. They’re specifically designed for miniature and have a MUCH faster drying time. I paint the minis with acrylic and only use oils and thinner for the when I want that grimly grimdark look.

Marco is one of my favorite RU-vid instructors. Such good content.

YES MY DUDE! Doing this myself as well the past few weeks!

You're a kinesthetic learner 😄 Thanks for being so real and informative 😀

I just started D&D and I’m about to start painting my first D&D figure. I have so many oil paints I’ll be able to make my figures pop do nicely

Try sketching with acryllic black+whites+grays and then using oils as glazes over that. It is very fun to do!

It's great to watch experienced crafters dive into something new and not have it go according to plan. It makes us novices realize these things happen. The important thing is to try new things and see what happens. Excellent video!

The fact that oil paints have a long dry time make them ideal for blending. Try using it on a magic orb where the colors go into each other. It's really fun to paint with. I am happy for u it's a extra tool in your skillfull hands.

I LOVE when you do these 3D print focused videos man. Well, I love anything you do to be perfectly honest, but I'm really into the printing hobby right now! You got me into this 3d printing thing, now I own 4 of them, 2 resin and 2 FDM lol.

Take and old wooden box with a lid, line it with aluminum foil and install a light bulb (60 watt) it helps with drying time in-between coats I use to use oils decades ago and it helped

Your paint projects always look phenomenal! You are too hard on yourself. Love seeing your work.

Just sold me on dipping into oils for washes. Thanks!

Hell yeah, I just started using oil washes too!

I did my first experimenting with Oil Paints on a 1:8 Scale Ecto-1 model doing a thinned down black that I wiped off on the chrome trim (makes it look more like real metal). Two weeks later it still wasn't completely dry.

You are braver man than I Gunga Din! Nice job, thanks for experimenting and demonstrating how to bravely step up and give-it-a-go. Have a great day!

Thumbs up for this level of bravery!

Great video good think experimentation is one of the best parts

Nice dude! you could make a drying box if you wanted to go all in with oils, but using the acrylic base as you did is probably the way to go. Glad you enjoyed using them as much as i did my first time, gotta say the flexibility and the amount of control they provide are amazing.

I watched hours of painting tutorials before I started painting my 40k army, and no amount of instructional videos could compare to the knowledge I gained from a single brush stroke. Nice to see that rule applies to even pros, such as yourself.

Noice! This reminds me how much fun it was to try oils the first time

Turned out great!

if you're having trouble with paint taking forever to dry (which oil does take forever), you can mix alkyd mediums such as Gamblin Galkyd to help with accelerating the drying process. The drying time goes from weeks to a day

Man, I love these kinds of experimental episodes!

Good effort & lessons learned!

Looks great

Good idea to check the materials safety sheets for oil paint colors even if you're familiar with them for water/acrylic paints because some bad stuff is oil soluble and can be super bad if you accidentally breathe or eat it.

Prep your oil paints on a cardboard pallet made from the packaging boxes ahead of time. Let the cardboard soak up the linseed oil for a hours. This cuts the drying time to a day. You have a lot of working time to correct, blend or feather any transition before it dries the next day.

You did about as well as I did when I started oil painting in college, if I have any advice to share the thinner your layers the faster it drys and you can thin your paints way more then you think you can.

The thinner doesn't have the surface tension that water has so it flows super easily into every nook and cranny.

Literally had an amazon cart full of oil painting supplies to try out when I saw this video. Good timing.

Loved this video, seeing you making the mistake tought me what to do and what not to do. Thank you for the great content friend

My very limited experience with oils is that they work best (for modellers) over an acrylic base. Do block colours in acrylic, wait to dry and then work the oils over the top as a highlight and trace, etc. But beware that drying time will be extensive and any reapplication over existing oils with other oils will see the under layer reactivate in seconds. It can take weeks for them to dry. Several large scale tank modellers use acrylics for the vehicle and mud and then oils to create oil and rust streaks, etc, often very very subtle traces which is where the fine pigments in oils are best. My most frequent use is on 15mm scale (1/100th scale) metal figures where I use heavily diluted black or dark brown oils as a pin wash to pick up details in the shadows and the armour of small figures. On white metal figures which come shiny out of the mould, I no longer paint them but just pin wash the armour, paint the belts and clothing in acrylics and then matt varnish the whole thing. But I wait two weeks before I matt varnish in case the oils react with the spray varnish. IT CAN HAPPEN! Keep experimenting but, for best value, buy one of those small 'all colours' sets from art and craft shops and experiment with the full range of colours, huge tubes were probably not the best start! Barry

Me: "Cool new BMC video! It's not even Thursday yet!" 10 seconds later: ...wait.

I'm glad the living Broccoli Man had a happy ending! Fun vid as always. :D