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Kuuleminen ja kuunteleminen ovat eri asioita. Hearing is passive, that just happens even if you don't try to, listening is active, you actually have to pay attention and prosess what is being said (or played, singed, etc).

I’m 600 days into my Finnish Duo streak and still struggling to say a single sentence without mistakes 😂 we’ll get there eventually Dave 💪🏻

Yes! Lintua is singular, lintuja is plural - so if "ei huomaa lintua" then "doesn't notice (the/a) bird", but if "ei huomaa lintuja" then "doesn't notice (the) birds"

Objects of negative verbs are ALWAYS in the partitive, whether specific or not. In questions objects are partitive because their existence is potential, allegedly not known with certainty by the person asking the question. NEVER be embarrassed by your mistakes. We learn more from our mistakes than by randomly getting the right answer. Mistakes are just steps towards better understanding and full mastery! Sisu!!!

I'll never get tired of hearing you do your Finnish accent it's so accurate:D

You are actually very good! This is not an easy language, especially for native English speakers. Viikingit sanovat, että heillä on ikävä merta. The vikings say that they have an unpleasant fish trap. :D That would've also be technically correct.

Well done Dave! I've missed your Finnish learning videos!

When you said "hover my mouse over" on "hiirtä" :D

we who are learning Finnish too will defo not laugh at your expense. good luck for the progress!

Your Finnish has gotten so much better! Those sentence is hard to anyone who doesn't speak Finnish. And even some of us how speak Finnish everyday 😅

Rouva is actually mrs not ms, that would be "neiti". That's actually pretty valid point to teach to people and duolingo got it so wrong...

Dave trying SERIOUSLY to learn finnish, vol 1267! :D

You are already really good at Finnish! Like the way you start to pick up words, find what is the original form of it and translate it that way. Gotta say I love these videos, these are so fun to watch and all the laughs I got are from you struggling with English 😂 It is just too funny that your English skills are getting worse the more you learn Finnish

Been following you from the start and you've done so much process! 💪

Holy cow man I am impressed! You are practically a native at this point! EDIT. And your Finglish is pitch perfect!

Please do more of these. I enjoy see you progressing in your "learning tree"

Wow! I'm Finnish and I can say with confidence that your accent is AMAZING and you're doing great!

Great comments here already about the partitive case, so I'm not going to repeat those. I feel like you're getting confused with the way counting stuff works in Finnish, where you add the partitive singular suffix when there's ≠ 1 of given things (yksi lintu vs. nolla/kaksi/sata lintu-a). And yeah, adding singular suffixes, when there are many things, is a bit non-intuitive, but that's how it is. The other cases here are to do with the verbs, where the partitive case merely refers to whether the action is complete or not - in linguistic terms telicity, check the Wikipedia, it might help conceptualizing this. Most of the verbs in these exercises can't be associated with a completed action; 'etsiä' (to search) is not completive in nature, and thus the object is marked with partitive. In contrast, 'löytää' (to find) would be completive, and the object is marked with the genetive/accusative. Compared: "Rouva Pöllövaara etsii suurta hiirtä" vs. "Rouva Pöllövaara löytää suuren hiiren." Note that the latter would translate to English with future tense; finding something doesn't make sense in present tense. Other partitive sentences breaked down: - "Saari on lähellä Helsinkiä." Here the partitive Helsinki-ä is because of the preposition lähellä, 'near', which requires the partitive case. Note that this works only with noun phrases. The construction in the sentence starting with "Lähellä on saari" is syntactically different ("There's an island nearby" vs. sth being near sth). - "Minä rakastan tätä suurta metsää." As with etsiä, loving something to an endpoint doesn't make sense, other than maybe in a very artistic sense. Here it's probably easier to remember, that the verb rakastaa requires the partitive case. - "Mummo ei huomaa lintua." As noted in other comments, negative verbs take the partitive. This can be understood with the help of telicity as well - negative action can't be complete in a sense. The plural partitive for lintu would be lintu-ja. In an affirmative sentence the partitive wouldn't make sense, as huomata, 'to notice' is a completive thing to do. The correct affirmative sentence would be "Mummo huomaa linnun." or in plural "linnut". - ""Pöllö huomaa, että lähellä on kaksi pientä hiirtä." This has to do with the counting + partitive. With one mouse the latter part would bee "että lähellä on yksi pieni hiiri." - "Kaksi pientä lasta ihailee suurta puuta" / "Viikingit sanovat, että heillä on ikävä merta." / "Kuunteletko sinä tuota pöllöä?" / "Äiti kuuntelee merta." / Telicity, admiring / missing / listening (as opposed to hearing) can't be completed. This wasn't however an exhaustive explanation about the partitive case unfortunately, but hopefully this helped.

I think a pretty good mnemonic for the partitive is that you use it whenever something is the object of an atelic verb (meaning an action without end, as in gerunds, or "-ing" forms of english verbs; in other words you'd use the partitive in finnish whenever the equivalent in english would be of the form "-ing [something]"; for example: " I'm watching this video" -> "Katson tätä videota" [partitive]. If I was to say "I'm gonna watch this video", that would make the verb telic, meaning with a definite aim, in which case you'd use the accusative: "Katson tämän videon") or when there's an indeterminate amount of something. (edit: after reading the Wikipedia article on the partitive case, I noticed there are other instances, too - but they have a pretty good list over there. I guess in the case of the owl, the logic is that you're not listening to the entirety of what that owl is gonna emanate, it's just a little sliver)

Dudeee! Your so good!! Im seriously impressed of your problem solving :D. Its insane, learning is hard.

Really would like to see more of these :) Keep up the good work!

Impressive! You should be proud, you've come so far!

I recommend reading/listening some children's books. They're simple and if they're already familiar it's easier to understand.

So relatable! I just cleared my previous progress and started over. Only laughing with you :) and at our own mistakes as well.

The difficulty of using partitiivi might stem from the fact that there are several different factors that can motivate the use of partitiivi. Some of these factors are mostly grammatical: For example, with verbs like rakastaa and odottaa, you usually use partitiivi although there is not a specific reason for that. Also, you use singular partitiivi also with numbers (other than 1) although, grammatically speaking, singular partitiivi is not a plural form. In addition to that, partitiivi is often used in negative sentences as well. However, partitiivi use can also be motivated by the need to separate completed and non-completed actions from each other. For example: "katson elokuvan" = I will watch a movie (from start to finish), "katson elokuvaa" = I watch some parts of the movie / I am watching a movie Or, in case of eating and drinking, using partitiivi leaves it ambiguous how much you actually ate or drank. For example: "söin pizzan" = I ate the whole pizza, "söin pizzaa" = I ate some parts of the pizza Because of its versatile use, you can practically see partitiivi in every other sentence.

You have improved sooo much compared to when you where just starting out!

You are doing great, Dave! 👍🏻

You're doing amazing! Can't believe how much better you've gotten from what i remember. I've started learning Japanese few months ago on duolingo and i've really enjoyed it so far. I'm not very good, but at the moment i can, for example, say: 私は英語が話せます。 "i can speak english" (Hopefully it's spelled right😅)

You are too good with that language learning thingie!! 🤩

6:19 :D You are clearly turning into finnish person :D

"Bekause" killed me! That was actual proof of getting finnished. Keep it up, i try the same from outside of finland. You are doing great! Heippa hei!

I have to say, as a Swede trying to learn Finnish, your language videos are actually very helpful. Tack så mycket! Kiitos paljon!

You are really good Dave! Epic

That went very well!

At 7:03 when you said the “mitä?” Killed me 💀

You did great, Dave! :D

I'm not a native, but with action verbs there is a difference between the nominative/genitive (-n) and the partitive (-a). with those, the -a doesn't indicate "some", but it's used to express that you are doing RIGHT NOW the action expressed in the verb, while the nominative and the genitive express a completed action [kuuntelen lintua, I'm listening to the bird right now]

Rouva is mrs, neiti is ms I don't get why it said Rouva is ms 🤔

"Ei huomaa lintua" = doesn't notice the bird "Ei huomaa lintuja" = doesn't notice the birds "kuunteletko pöllöä" = are you listening to the owl "kuunteletko pöllöjä" = are you listening to the owls 4:49 The Finnish partitive case doesn't necessarily mean that there isn't an entire "owl" around. It represents "ongoing action", and can be combined with a plural Subject/Object as appropriate. "Listening to the owls" is an ongoing, never-ending action. However, grammatically, it is also possible to ask if you'll *finish* listening to the owls. "Finish" in the sense that there is no more listening to the owls available to be done. You consumed _all_ the listening. (In practice, this form would be used for more defined tasks, such as 'feeding the owls' or 'washing the owls' or 'putting the owls to sleep' - things with a definite 'done' state.) "Kuunteletko pöllön." (singular) "Kuunteletko pöllöt." (plural)

Great vid 👍👍 Very underrated

Damn you have improved a lot

As weird as it is, Duolingo has been better than some of the Finnish courses I’ve been to, where my Finnish husband has had to correct things that were just outright wrong. They really make it tough here to learn an already tough language. Duolingo isn’t the full answer but it’s been a help.

All will be fine, enjoy by learning it is better and more enjoyable than already knowing it

Also translates to "Are you listening to that idiot?" which would be the way I would hear if anyone ever used that sentence outside of a forest with an owl hooting.

Keep it up islander chum. Edelleen, paras tapa oppia kieltä on vaan puhua sitä koko ajan. Siis niin usein kuin vain ikinä mahdollista. Virheistä välittämättä ja niitä korjaamalla.

Lol I just noticed that 'perkele' in the thumbnail😂 Näyttääkin ihan perkeleen linnulta... damn the birds and their partitives. You have a very good hunch about Finnish already, you are mid-journey from having no idea to *knowing* for sure. I was lucky to learn Finnish as a first language😎 I once knew the names for all those word suffixes, but school was 10 years ago and I haven't really needed abessiivi-ablatiivi-inessiivi-illatiivi since then😂

Vieraskielisen median kuluttaminen on paras tapa oppia kieli. Peruskielioppi, sitten Röllin kaikki kaudet (+leffat) ja Turhapuro -leffat kun katsoo niin pitäisi kielen olla sijamuotoja myöten hallussa.

Good job!

The slow backaway at 4:09 is killing me 😭

This is fun, listening to some people trying to learn Finnish

Did you notice that you have learned a lot so far? You understand Finnish. Next step is to start to speak. You can do that too if you want to.

The partitive is used like the indefinite article in English. Some of the verbs require the use of partitive. These verbs include kuunnella = to listen to (but not always kuulla = hear ), etsiä = to look for, katsoa = to look / to watch, rakastaa = to love, and some others. There is also a plural partitive for each word: Kuuntelen lintua = I am listening to a/the bird Kuuntelen lintuja = I am listening to (the) birds Singular partitive usually ends in -aa or -ää and plural partitive in -ia, -iä, -ja or -jä. Here are some examples: (Singular nominative, plural nominative, singular partitive, plural partitive) Koira, koirat, koiraa, koiria (dog) Kissa, kissat, kissaa, kissoja (cat) Metsä, metsät, metsää, metsiä (forest) Äiti, äidit (or äitit), äitiä, äitejä (mum) Hope this helps :)

I'm sure there are other commenters saying this, but rouva is actually Mrs., she's married (or elderly, and thus "deserving" of the honorific). Neiti would be the same as Ms. Also, the one about Grandma not noticing the bird is correct from the Duolingo side of things; the plural partitive for lintu would be lintuja, not lintua, which is, indeed, the singular partitive.

Actually, after years of trying learning Finnish here and there, Duolingo might actually be the right method I was looking for. I think it helped I've already had a foundation and had a passing familiarity with the language. Where Duolingo seems to fit the bill are the bite size lessons based on my own personal skill level and, yes, repetition. Lots of repetition. I think Finnish has a couple of things that do make easier to learn than, say, Chinese. It helps Finnish is written in the latin alphabet. Pronounciation is pretty basic, almost Spanish-like, but more monotone. Grammar is different, for sure, but the rules kind of make sense. Vocabulary is very alien though and for me that had always been the real difficulty: remembering all these samey-looking words and not confuse them. I don't think I will ever become a fluent Finnish, I don't even live in Finland anyway, but I like the challenge and I will enjoy consuming Finnish media more.

Good job! :D

I loved your rally english 😂

You should do a live on discord or twitch, where we can help you with finnish 🙂 u r doing great by the way!!

Huikeeta!! Love you mate! :D

You are so good at this. As a fin i have to learn sweedish. But im just not learning anything

Alat olla jo tosi hyvä rallienglannissa... Actually, you are quite good with your Finnish.

Okay, so the point of the partitive case (in Finnish) is that it answers "Mitä?" and "Ketä?" questions (that is to say, "What?" and "Who?" questions). As examples, a partitive would answer questions like "Mitä sinä kuuntelet?" ("What are you listening to?") or "Ketä tämä kuva esittää?" ("Who is this picture portraying?"). It's also often used to express unknown identities and irresultative actions. Honestly, the Finnish noun cases are a really complicated fickle-thing, so no worries if they keep tripping you up. Especially since Finnish has 15 of them (which, fun fact, is the third most cases in a language there are, topped only by Hungarian at 18, and Tsez (aka Dido) at 64), compared to English, which only has three, and only for pronouns. So yeah, definitely take your time and start tackling them little by little, and sooner or later you'll be a master. You've improved a lot, and you did really well in this video! I hope you're proud of yourself, but even if you're not, just know that I am! You got this, Dave. I'm rooting for ya. :3

6:56 Dave is so good

Growing up I really wish that we had learned more Finnish than milk, butter, and certain "colorful" words and phrases.

Terve - minä opiskellen suomea myös duolingossa! I have technically finished the Finnish tree, but I am still absorbing it and practising before moving on to other learning resources. Olla Hauskaa!

You are listening to "pöllöä" because you listen to only some of the sound. The sound is not finished when you stop listening to it. Same thing is easier to understand with reading: "Luen kirjaa" I'm reading some of the book "Luen kirjan" I'm reading the whole book

Very impressive. I think You don't really need to learn more finnish. I bet you can now just keep it up and you'll be just fine. Although I really like to see and hear you do these learning videos.

Huh, I noticed that Duolingo itself made a small mistake on the Rouva Pöllövaara thing. Rouva is supposed to be mrs. since rouva is (typically) used for a married woman.

Using mouse to check the word for mouse

6:19 perfect finglish pronounciation.

There's a video!

Excellent

I started learning swedish in Duolingo, but it's difficult because only I have to know how to write it in swedish I also has to know how to say it in English.. there isn't swedish - Finnish.. only swedish - English 😭😅

Rouva is Mrs, not ms. Ms is neiti

I’m taking lessons in salo currently…. It’s hell

I've finished the Finnish course on Duolingo. Now I'm getting more and more frustrated - I got stuck on so called 'Daily refresh' - which means you learn nothing new but repeat what you've learned by now. I've mastered sentenses like ,Maassa istuu lapsi, joka haluaa olla rauhassa', Puussa istuu soumalainen, joka haluaa olla rauhassa, or ' Metsassa kavelee nainen, joka haluaa olla rauhassa. Generally, everyone wants to find some peace. I'm fed upa and I'd like to learn more!!!

You got it

Funny, when you almost failed the English part after getting the Finnish part right. :D You are becoming a Finn pretty fast. :D

I was learning finnish just now

One good way to learn is to watch much of finnish series, movies and programs. Many of those are bit boring so to make fun of it watch cartoons with Leo. If you have Disney+ you can watch almost everything in finnish, sweadish and english. There are also optional subtitles if you want to read those words at the same time. That might help time to time if normal way of learning is dull and you just don´t feel like it. The way kids learn so damn well english here in Finland is becouse we watch lots of english series, movies, programs and also big thing as in my childhood all the games were english too. So it was very important to understand and learn the language all the time even thou we didn´t the language to communicate. That´s one of the reasons some of us have horrible accent. Never had to speak, only read and write.

On day 199. Feels like I am using an easy bake oven to try & understand how to make gourmet food.

Duolingo started to alert me every day a few days ago for some reason. A glitch in the matrix?

i have a 200day streak on finnish and know nothing 😭 this video inspired me to study duolingo finnish more seriously-

That rally english ❤😆

7:05 I felt that 🤣

we say he is there finnish is there finish

finish not use where or he just him there

You've got a funny issue there, even though you're awesome at this... The plural/singular/partitive, which are difficult, of course, but there IS a singular form of words, of course. Aviomies, aviomiestä, aviomiehet, aviomiehiä, for instance. Husband, husbands, and the untranslatable partitifs that come in both singular and plural form... And they are weird to explain. :D I think you know what that does better than I do, but they do come in both singular and plural form. Kukka, kukkaa, kukat, kukkia. Katson kukkaa, katson kukkia. Minä ajan autoa, pojat ajavat autoja. But then there's "monia autoja" and "autot", "monia kukkia" and "kukat". "Monia aviomiehiä" and "aviomiehet". I'm no language teacher, but I feel like when we're observing the things from a distance, we need the partitif. :D "The husbands are here" rather than "the husbands are there". Aviomiehet ovat täällä, ja tuola on lisää aviomiehiä. :D

i love

4:10 järkyttynyt ilme! LOL!

Have you tried Word Dive?

Rouva is actually "Mrs."

i am from filand and i love waths you

Me, a born and raised finn: "No, you wrote that wrong. It should be more like _______" Duolingo: "Correct!" Me: "Oh...."

I'm finnish and l think he did great 😁

The partitive plural is "lintuja". "Lintua" is the singular plural.

Yrittämäisilläänköhänkö hän on? Hope you make it to the next level!

Those Duolingo sentences are so weird! 🤣

I am from finland abd this is so funny 😂

4:05 why cut hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm