Trying to understand the Monoprice Delta Pro 

Awesome, that was the goal!

Honestly tho, I don't see reason why closed source tech is despised. Sure it will limit 3rd party modification, but unless the stock units sucks so bad, I don't see reason why 3rd party customization is required. Besides, closed source would give some time for the company to continue before some chinese companies eventually copy it and sell it dirt cheap because they barely spend time on development and use lower grade components.

Actually when I watch video again, it doesn't seem to be that bad. As Thomas said, it can read normal G-code from USB (I didn't notice that at first), which is pretty nice :) On the other side, "there may be improvements in future" nicely sums up what I think about closed source. They can improve their product, but they can also let it as it is or even make many things much worse with update. And if they really f**k it up, maybe you won't be even allowed to switch back to older version which worked better. When buying something closed source, you should ask yourself if you're happy with actual state, because there might be no updates at all since you buy it. You can never be sure. About Chinese companies - it will be cheaper and much simpler to just use board from different printer they already produce, just change firmware, maybe make some test prints to tune values on one printer and then just copy it to all of them. And that's all. It's always three motors for movement, one for extruder and two heating zones. I don't say there can't be improvements in electronics, but main challenge is in hardware that literary holds everything together. If you make robust printer where everything sits perfectly where it should, then it will probably work at first try with no extra tuning. In my opinion, if they will struggle with something while trying to copy existing printer, it will be whole mechanics and keeping it together. Whole electronics boards are open source and many of them are produced in China, so that is really no problem for them.

@@Envinite A part of this is because 3dprinting is a growing field/hobby and no one has a printer that ticks every box. Even the prusa, which has massive love, has its flaws. The difference is next week when someone suddenly discovers trinamic drivers, or that x motor is better than y, closed source is at a disadvantage. Customers can look at the new tech and decide if they want it. New tech developers can build to a known set of standards and have a market for their device. If Im happy with the machine and don't need the new tech I keep it as is. A closed source company is then forced to develop fixes to their problems that will only work on their own product, for problems they developed in the first place. New tech will have to be developed as a one off, AND customers have to wait for them to decide its worth and to make it before its available. Not a very nimble option. When you go with closed source, when the community moves on or your company simply decides not to make printers anymore, you're stuck. Get yourself a new printer. Everyone else can adapt and improve.

Yeah open source has been so extremely important for my prusa /s

Ender 3 still has a better drive gear XD.

this is now 700 usd. a steal

@@ggs1019 599.99 now.

My LK4 Pro (Ender 3's less popular cousin) was $180, and it has the same type of extruder, only slightly smaller build area (220x220x250), and a touchscreen that doesn't suck. Auto-leveling is nice, but I'm pretty sure for the $1120 difference, I could put some servos on the build plate adjustment knobs, add a small contact switch beside the nozzle, and modify the firmware to add that feature. I could upgrade to an all-metal direct drive extruder too. And add ruby nozzle. And a heated enclosure. And a wifi enabled camera. And I'd still have enough budget to buy a few rolls of filament.

@@Nazarim $499 now

I thought those parts looked kinda burly! Glad to see the updated parts, not the older ones.

First thing I noticed!

well, not anymore

lmaoo Right!

If you make it taller but not wider, it'll lose its rigidity. You really don't want a wobbly delta printer.

Wait until you see the Ultimaker printers, how much they cost, their proprietary hardware, having to pay for every single upgrade, how many features they have in comparison to similar priced models, etc. and their most loved feature: they don't have direct customer support on a printer that costs over 2 grand.

I prefer resitive touchscreens because they are more reliable and precise than capacitive Imo, and you can use it with gloves and wet hands. of course, there's the issue of the stylus, but on a fixed machine, you can have it tied to the machine and it won't flee.

Let's coincidentally forget that capacitive screens can not work under a variety of scenarios, including certain dust particles on the screen.

​@@crimsun7186 that's why most industrial stuff uses resistive screens. oil and metal shavings are not friends with capacitive screens.

@@satibel Why would you be getting either of those on a 3d printer?

@@CaveJhonsonCEO if they are well made, touch screen menus are faster to use as they have more "buttons", of course you could argue that a control panel with all of the buttons is better (which is why industrial cncs use those) but that's also more expensive.

Indeed! Their electronics just suck.

Put a Duet WiFi on it and have it all including open source.

Atom 3D are working on the next 3D printer that will be available under their own brand, too - I know they're talking feedback very seriously, so you may just end up seeing those exact parts on the Atom 3!

It's strange that no one batted an eye when Ultimaker started doing it.

@@crimsun7186 pretty sure ultimaker Marlin is open source. This lerge board weirdness is a non starter.

@@kazolar Of course it is. But not because Ultimaker wants it, but because Marlin sort of forces you to put it on open hardware, as it's a bit hard for the Marlin guys to program firmware on hardware they can't have access to or reverse engineer due to it being proprietary.

@@crimsun7186 Ultimaker also developed Cura and made it open source, you can say it's due to them using underlying code from other open source slicers, but they do appear to believe in OS

Using their Predator model myself, seems like a better printer overall and it's less than $400

If it comes with that plastic stylus, it's a resistive touchscreen, so it would be prtty terrible no matter what they do to it. Resistive touch (with the exception of very high end ones for very specific purposes) belongs back in 2003.

you generally don't want to use a resistive screen with your fingers, and resistives are pretty good if you use a somewhat pointy thing.

it's in my todo list, I'm at the end of the line so I get occasional power dips.

I've tried mine with 3 different PLA filaments. It runs fine with the 3 brands I've tried - so I don't think this printer is very particular with filament. Just get a good quality with low thickness tolerance and I think you'll be fine :)

Ditto. Did you ever find one Nick?

@@KK4CNM dude so weird you are just now commenting this, I literally just found a working simplify 3d profile 10 minutes ago. Join the Monoprice delta pro Facebook group. A few posts from the top. Remove G29

Sorry I'm a year late to the party. I've made my own printer profile and 2 well working printing profiles. I've only had it for a few days so there's still plenty of room for improvements, but if you still need a solid Cura profile (made for the currently latest version of Cura, version 4.8), I can send mine to you :)

Probably not days, delta printers are fast, I would say 4-5 hours

What’s the difference between auto leveling and semi auto leveling? The Chiron says it has semi auto leveling but it senses 25 points and sounds a lot like auto leveling.