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The Turin brand burst onto the scene in the past few years making very popular grinders under the "DF" naming structure. But now, they've made a surprising and bold move into the espresso machine space to take on the likes of Gaggia and Rancilio. Can their first machine, the Legato, replicate the bang for buck the company is known for? In this initial unboxing and first impressions video, we look to get a feel for exactly that!
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@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

Filmed and editing this afternoon! This one was waiting to come out of the box for a while, so thought I'd bring you guys along with me to share the very first look!

@nickdual 4 месяца назад

I subscribed

@nickdual 4 месяца назад

which country made in? China?

@marosmatej8762 4 месяца назад

please edit your video. You are not right. The coffee maker was made by a factory called "Guangdong Gemilai Intelligent Technology" and grinder is from "Ningbo Frigga Electric Appliance". Sellers only brand this machines

@LifestyleLab_ 4 месяца назад

Where in my video was I incorrect? Everyone knows Turin is a Chinese rebranding by US importers...

@BelovedNL 7 месяцев назад

This is not “manufactured by Turin”, this is a mass production unit from China, rebranded under way more brands than you already mentioned. You can buy two for $258 a piece, this is why they are rebranded so much: it’s a cheap machine, with a large margin for resale.

@tagheuer02 7 месяцев назад

But what difference does it make? You're now talking about the label on the front. Would it make you feel better if they put a label that said La Marzocca, or Profitec etc? At the end of the day these espresso machines are very simple, a boiler, a pump, cheap Chinese made PID. It's all the same really

@tagheuer02 7 месяцев назад

Yeah only time will tell. Generally speaking espresso gear is simple and grossly overpriced. If this thing is reliable, Gaggia, Rancilio and others are in trouble

@muhamadfaizalias858 7 месяцев назад

its made by corrima/gemilai. model number crm3007L

@chikunman133 7 месяцев назад

@@thefrail125 from what i learned (i researched it and placed an order last week), this particular model has had a few revisions (hence the L on the end of the CRM3007L) and its been around for roughly 12 years mainly in the Asian market. Its durability has been proven. Now that its coming to the US market, its only a matter of time for people to hop on board and start hacking it and modding it.

@heyiceman 7 месяцев назад

I’ve been looking at grinders lately - this immediately turned me off from Turin completely. Thanks for the heads up!

@orrinbelcher6593 7 месяцев назад

Fun first look, greatly appreciate the unboxing, looking forward to your full review

@tomscott4438 Месяц назад

6 months later and still no “full” review.

@LifestyleLab_ Месяц назад

Sorry Tom, I do have a day job.

@danieldougan269 6 месяцев назад

Love the float in the drip tray!

@dnsbck 7 месяцев назад

This machine reminds me a lot of my very first espresso machine, the Solis Gran Barista. At the time it was the perfect machine for me. The Turin Legato looks so similar besides the front with the gauge etc. But - I bought the Solis new for less then 300 Euros at the time.

@Yirgamalabar 7 месяцев назад

Nice preview! For the full review, please check if the OPV is adjustable and if so, how easy it is to adjust. I'm also curious if that pre-infusion time is for the initial pump action or for a pause that follows it.

@coreycannon4511 7 месяцев назад

Coffee Nerd Aaron just posted a review on this machine. His sample came with that scoop/tamper along with a Breville-esque one as well. I wonder if that tamper got left out in re-packing. Although it had the Breville’s silhouette, the handle was square and was a bit loose in the portafilter.

@chinoauma 6 месяцев назад

When will the full review be released? subscribed

@thomasneddon 7 месяцев назад

This actually matches my requested machine specs exactly (other than the SS finish). Unfortunately I gave up waiting during Black Friday and splurged for an ECM. But really should do very well for them

@jakevan1969 7 месяцев назад

Very nice. The steam came on very quickly. Even better than the Profitec Go. This is a "saturated group" design? Love that it has a PID, so important.

@back_to_the_bike8820 2 месяца назад

thanks for the video. Did you measure the extraction pressure?

@geekanoids 7 месяцев назад

I think I commented similar on another of your awesome videos. What cups are you using here?

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

Both from Kruve :)

@juts89 7 месяцев назад

Did everything but taste the coffee it makes which is hilariously in tune with coffee RU-vid

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

Thinking that any information on how well this machine brews could be determined from one shot, and not even asking what grinder was used is very RU-vid comment section.

@kktpp 7 месяцев назад

Those new porcelain kruve cups are so nice!

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

Right?!

@bigwave_dave8468 7 месяцев назад

Be advised, these machines are not Italian-manufactured as the name "Turin" would have you believe. They're made in China by the Ningbo Frigga Electric Appliance Co--like most prosumer/consumer brands (Breville etc..)--nothing wrong with that but it explains the large price discrepancy for similar features.

@muhamadfaizalias858 7 месяцев назад

its made by corrima/gemilai in china. model number CRM3007L

@veganpotterthevegan 7 месяцев назад

While it doesn't say it's made in Italy, Italy has terrible standards for being to claim something is made there anyway. That said, as someone that worked in the bike industry for over 15yrs, a lot of Italian branded goods had better QC when they moved manufacturing to China.

@joekolb3937 7 месяцев назад

Website is clear about where they are made. Never says anywhere made in italy

@bigwave_dave8468 7 месяцев назад

@@joekolb3937 The name "Turin" is misleading and most folks are hearing about this and many other machines from the scads of RU-vid videos. Country of origin is not obvious on their website and "Contact Us" page gives no clues. Companies should not obfuscate their origin but I doubt anybody is worse off for knowing that.

@espressomatic 6 месяцев назад

actually, they're made by Guangdong Gemilai Intelligent Technology Co.,Ltd., Shunde District, Foshan City - and released under the subsidiary Corrima along with dozens of other machines.

@JamesMatthew-Zero79 7 месяцев назад

This is so dope. I have a 2004 GC and I just swapped out the boiler for one similar to the evo… makes me wish I saved my $60 and upgraded to this instead 😆

@gd515051 6 месяцев назад

Would be interesting to compare components with the Gaggia or Bambino. This machine looks pretty good for the price.

@yohankim6843 18 дней назад

I returned this product last month...it doesn't have the 9Bar OPV that most machines have.. Instead, I got Gaggia Classic Pro. I am so satisfied with my new machine. People think Turin Legato's bar gauge and water temperature will help best espresso or easy to use, however these function useless, you will realize what I mean. and... it's just china product but expansive

@chornsey 7 месяцев назад

I would love to know in the full review if the steam wand can be used for hot water.

@SuperAllpeople 6 месяцев назад

Thank you. I'd like to purchase this mashine but unfortunately its not yet availabe in germany.

@needmorebeans 7 месяцев назад

In the CDM, it's also available in Matte Black 🤙 Gemilai, who makes these, are a huge brand in China so no issues there.

@chikunman133 7 месяцев назад

i wanted black so back because it looks sick, i saw it on aliexpress but for 800 bucks lol. Ill stick with the stainless and possibly make it black myself

@elyfotography 7 месяцев назад

Great review! Was wondering which is betterr Niche Duo or DF64 Gen2? Im really torn between those two (mainly espresso)

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

They’re very comparable. The DF Gen 2 is a cleaner workflow. Pick whichever one has the burr set you prefer available

@simply_psi 7 месяцев назад

It has a very similar look to the Lelit Victoria, I expect nowhere near as good or well built as that bug for the price you can't expect that. Could be a game changer in the budget prosumer space, it is based on an Hungarian machine as other have said the AVX DB1

@Huushawdadi17 7 месяцев назад

Thought it was a Lelit as well

@Raditram 5 месяцев назад

it's based on Corima, hence the crm3007 designation. It's also called the Gemilai crm 3007L. You can rebadge / rebrand it of you purchase certain number of units. I believe the basic machine of the kafmashino is also the crm 3007L.

@ianshepherd6476 4 месяца назад

So did they fix the pressure issues? I saw it ran at high pressures and yours ran at 9 bar which is good.

@michaelhsu2051 6 месяцев назад

The only problem for now is that the preorder uints are not arriving on time. They keep postponing the estimated date of arrival. It said "Container has left the manufacturer and is on the way" when I first saw it on the website in November. two months of shipment lol

@SoulBladeM 7 месяцев назад

In your review video, can you compare it to other PID machines such as Lelit Anna and Profitec Go? :)

@whosgonnadotcom 7 месяцев назад

The biggest reason not to buy one would appear to be that its first gen, and the improvements yheyve made on their grinders over the last few years makes it look like this is going to get similarly improved on too😁 Love the video, love the channel.

@Filtro8903 7 месяцев назад

This is not 1st gen, the 1st gen did not have OPV and manometer below the portafilter. I got the earlyer version, but put these add-ons myself. This is an awesome machine for the price.

@whosgonnadotcom 7 месяцев назад

@@Filtro8903 what was the price on the earlier version, and lacking these features, what's the advantage over the GCP?

@joekolb3937 7 месяцев назад

Corrima makes them and have been around 10 years or more. Forget exactly

@JohnDoe-kl8cd 5 месяцев назад

As far as Espresso Outlet goes, read the fine print. My experience for warranty claim is "the customer is not worth my time". i would like to see a video of the internals. My Rancilio Silvia V2, ran like a champ for almost 12 years before i sold it. The internals on the Silvia V2 (cant speak of the newer ones) make sense for the price. All brass or copper fittings as well as pipes. The frame was a bit of a let down as it was prone to corrosion if paint chipped. For 4-5 hundred dollars more, you got performance and reliability albeit, a bit of a learning curve with temp surfing.

@espressomatic 6 месяцев назад

This is a Corrima and I'm sure they ship more espresso machines than Gaggia. These machines are under $200 each direct from the manufacturer in China and have been around for years. If you buy 600 units or so you can have them rebrand them for you as anything you like. If you want to see some cool machines, you should look at any of the other 100-200 models the same company makes. I'm sure Gaggia's margin is similar and if it costs them over $110 to make I'd be very surprised. I don't think the name brands have anything to worry about in North America and Europe because this machine isn't going to make it into the same sales channels and will remain a product only known by enthusiasts and small RU-vid audiences. As far as Asia goes, these machines and many others are already a big success.

@LorenzoNW 7 месяцев назад

You said you're blown away before actually tasting the latte, testing how accurate the PID is, and knowing how reliable it is over time.

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

It’s a first impressions video… you watched me unbox it

@pablolankenau 7 месяцев назад

You can be blown away from first impressions. How are you going to test reliability over time for a brand new machine?

@chikunman133 7 месяцев назад

@@pablolankenau i mean, google it, its been around in the asian market for 12 years and its well regarded over there as a durable machine

@tomscott4438 3 месяца назад

@@pablolankenauThis felt less like a “first impression” video than an infomercial for Espresso Outlet.

@edipisreks5535 7 месяцев назад

Is it an E61 style group? A Normcore portafilter would be a nice upgrade, if so.

@LOLBTLOLBT 6 месяцев назад

high hope for gen 2 of this

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

This is not a “gen 1” machine per se. It’s been around for over 10 years and several iterations. Just the first time it’s “landing” in North America

@allen.t 7 месяцев назад

This is incredibly exciting for the beginner/lower end espresso machine market I feel like PID and the ability to preinfuse should be the standard when it comes to machines these days in the $500-$750 USD price. Getting that early bird deal on espresso outlet putting the machine at $400 USD is an insane deal. Pretty much no point in buying the GCP when this thing exists. Only thing to wait for is the longevity and overall QC.

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

Bingo, biggest question mark is the unknown of reliability and after purchase support

@classicrockonly 7 месяцев назад

@@LifestyleLab_reliability is questionable but if it’s through espressooutlet I am sure it will come with great support

@LOLBTLOLBT 7 месяцев назад

Exactly those are not rocket science features, companies r milking consumers, like the sage infuser, has the ability but they made it 15 bar with smaller pf, like why???

@espressomatic 6 месяцев назад

PID adds like $5 to the BOM.

@tomscott4438 3 месяца назад

Turin (for Espresso Outlet) buys them for around $150, rebrands them, and sells them here for the “bargain” price of $500. Nice little profit margin and since they don’t actually make them, zero R&D or manufacturing costs. That being said, if they were $350 I’d probably jump on one, but not for $500.

@JohnDoe-kl8cd 7 месяцев назад

I wouldn’t jump on this until you can find a video review that shows what’s under the hood. Often time you will find lots of plastic. Breville is guilty of this. Price and features often means compromise some where. Also I wouldn’t trust without an external temperature test and external pressure test.

@joekolb3937 7 месяцев назад

When you take cover off it would be great to compare inside with something like the bambino

@JohnDoe-kl8cd 7 месяцев назад

@@joekolb3937 when i was deciding on the Breville Dual Boiler, i found a video showing the internal and saw quite a bit of plastic, the OPV valve was completely plastic. Granted its got lots of features at an attractive price so make sense. Ultimately i decided on Lelit Elizabeth. I can tell you for Rancilio Silvia and Giggia Classic (dont know about the newer ones) have very solid build on the internal. Mostly metal. All the fitting and connectors were metal.

@tomscott4438 3 месяца назад

He keeps saying lookout Gaggia and Ranchilo, but with all the features jammed into this thing I suspect their target is really Breville. I found a video that looked under the hood. It was better than expected, but still had a LOT of plastic. This thing is not built to last.

@topjets5616 7 месяцев назад

It would be nice to see some one check the temptures to see if machine is actually changing temps and the pre-infusion works. Dose look like a good starter machine an I always like to see competition.

@tomscott4438 3 месяца назад

Coffee Dad did a fuller review. He was impressed by the feature set, but not the build quality. He found the pre infusion worthless and the temperature was way off until the machine had been on for over 15 minutes. He actually tasted the coffee, and thought it was ok. The internals were solid but there was a lot of plastic. Pressure was 15 bar and was not adjustable. If this was $350 it really would be a bargain, but at $500 the Gaggia is a much safer bet IMHO.

@abdelilahhamdane4647 6 месяцев назад

it is sold in china under the name of Gemilai CRM3007L, it also comes in Black color! it's tempting, i was saving for a Profitec Go and now i am considering this for the price especially its only third the cost of it! thanks for the video

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

Completely different machines in terms of build quality and steaming power, but this one does have a lot of features!

@abdelilahhamdane4647 6 месяцев назад

@@LifestyleLab_ Sure, I can imagine that the Profitec Go is way better in this regard, but considering the 3 times cost, it is not 3 times better than the Turin.

@asmith2886 7 месяцев назад

This is the machine that Kafmasino has converted to create the KAFMASINO ONE. Now that functionality is pretty impressive, but with a higher price tag!

@espressomatic 6 месяцев назад

Somewhat impressive when you can go look at the source code for Gaggiuino before developing your own solution.

@sjackson5407 6 месяцев назад

I am excited about the idea of a "white box" or generic espresso machine if they can deliver quality at a cheaper price a la the DF64. The true test will be white box versions of a Lelit Bianca or La Marzocco Linea mini at an affordable price.

@davidmarsh1158 3 месяца назад

Does anyone know where to get a single hole steam tip?

@DonKangolJones 7 месяцев назад

Gaggia is really getting a lot of competition in what used to be an almost exclusive price point. It doesn't help that their latest Classics don't even do things much of the community wants. It feels like their Evo Pros should be THIS MACHINE. I'm curious to see how this stacks up to something like the Profitec Go.

@tagheuer02 7 месяцев назад

It's better than the Go. I just bought a Go, but it's $1000 USD and doesn't even have preinfusion

@LOLBTLOLBT 7 месяцев назад

It pathetic gaggia can't add a PID to evo, took them how many years to make it 9 bar?? it's not rocket science, even water kettle have it

@EVR1AL 6 месяцев назад

Profitec go price is near the e61 machines 400 and Rocket apartamento

@tagheuer02 6 месяцев назад

Huh? Mine was 799 usd? Rocket Apartmento is twice as expensive @@EVR1AL

@marianamoya3156 3 месяца назад

Hey bro, do You recommend it for a small coffe shop? Or can You recommend me other, thank you in advance

@LifestyleLab_ 3 месяца назад

No, this is not meant for commercial settings. You'll need to look at something rated for commercial use (for durability, and to pass a health inspection). Consider La Spaciale, La Marzocco, Ascaso, etc

@krot84 7 месяцев назад

Hey, what's the DF64 dosing cup you have there??

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

It’s the one that comes with the Gen 2

@myroccbox8877 7 месяцев назад

Just a label slapped on a China Manufacturer’s factory model. Guangdong Gemilai Intelligent Co., Ltd. is the manufacturer. Alibaba has them for under $200/ea if you buy in quantity.

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

I'm not sure why people find this concept so foreign. Espresso Outlet is an importer, and they do so under the name Turin. People do not have the capacity to buy machines in bulk, or provide after market support, this is what a state side retailer does. For those services, they mark up the price and make a profit... this is very common practice in all sorts of industries

@ilkzode1822 6 месяцев назад

TURIN is china's middleman to sell to the US market. After they come out with something, they get all the feedback from consumers and keep coming out with numerous versions month after month. Its hard to believe that the engineers dont know what they are doing. It feels like they PURPOSELY make an inferior product that seems great on paper, knowing buyers will keep buying upgrades and accessories. The DF grinder model made the company so much money. Youre telling me that the creators didnt know how to fix the declumper or the popcorning in version 1. I call b.s. from the get go

@amiraloves04 7 месяцев назад

Love these first impressions :)

@ihavenospacebar231 7 месяцев назад

Add. dimmer mod to pump and you've got a budget decent alternative (yes I know it won't be the same, I own one)

@tomscott4438 3 месяца назад

I’ve seen a few videos on this, and none were anywhere near this positive. Fit and finish were described as “ok” by most and the PID readout vs the actual temp where far apart until the machine had been on for over 15 minutes. Pre-infusion does nothing and might actually create more channeling. Hopefully your “in depth” review will be more than just an infomercial for Espresso Outlet. (BTW, I know this was a first impression, but you didn’t even taste the shot)

@dawidhyzy1425 7 месяцев назад

Is that a Kafmasino base?

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

Appear so! Lots of brands clearly pulling from similar suppliers

@acac4348 5 месяцев назад

Can you change the PID to Fahrenheit ?

@LifestyleLab_ 5 месяцев назад

No, apparently not. Sorry 🇺🇸

@nanoevil 6 месяцев назад

looks like a rebadged Gemilai CRM3007L which is around $200

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

This was said in the video, yes

@classicrockonly 7 месяцев назад

Dang am I going to have an all Turin bar? I already have a DF64V. I wanted something in the $1000-$1200 range but this is even beating out that stuff

@jules5350 7 месяцев назад

Lelit look alike!!!

@williamf.buckleyjr.1572 7 месяцев назад

Comparing this to the Rancilio Silvia based on a list of features and one poorly pulled shot, is a stretch. Seemed more like a commercial for Espresso Outlet.

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

It’s an initial impressions video… you see me literally take it out of the box… I don’t think you can disagree that the feature list of this unit walks all over the Gaggia and Rancilio. Sorry to offend you

@jswede1 6 месяцев назад

PID and pressure gage for under $500. If it works at all is should drag down pricing, and/or increase features, for competitors

@s.jacobs3185 7 месяцев назад

Same as Kafmasino, which is already more than a year old. I don't get why this machine suddenly gets so much attention

@JC-oh4mg 7 месяцев назад

Because they figured out in order to get into the western market turns out to be just branding.

@ONLYJDkettlebels 6 месяцев назад

Can u set pressure?

@tomscott4438 3 месяца назад

No.

@farbour3 7 месяцев назад

Will see. I just watch another review and the pre infusion is useless.

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

How so? Genuinely curious as you just saw the extent of my experience so far

@Yirgamalabar 7 месяцев назад

@@LifestyleLab_ i don't know what he was referring to, but in general if you're switching between different kinds of beans all programmable pre-infusion options are useless. They're either too short (lower part of the puck remains dry) or too long (too much coffee ends up in the cup before the pause). Manual pre-infusion, based on looking for puck saturation, is a lot more useful and accurate. I know this because my machine (a Lelit Bianca) supports both methods.

@JoseGabelaCuesta 7 месяцев назад

⁠@@LifestyleLab_it’s a pre-infusion mimic, as it will hit the puck at full pump pressure for a second and the remaining time is just wait time. It will never do any saturation.

@AlanButterworth 6 месяцев назад

Wonder how this would compare against a Gaggia Classic Pro with the Gagguino mod?

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

I think both respond similarly to mods. There’s a company essentially making a Decent DE1 (tablet and all) using this unit as the base

@AlanButterworth 6 месяцев назад

Interesting! Do you have a link? I was more wondering in terms of feature parity how the stock Turin Legato out of the box compares with the gagguino modded GCP. Thanks for the reply :)

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

@AlanButterworth definitely wouldn’t have anywhere near the control or capabilities of a Gaggiuno out of the box. Tough to beat a modded Gaggia if you’re willing to do it!

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

Modded Turin is the "Kafmasino One" project

@AlanButterworth 6 месяцев назад

That actually looks pretty amazing, but it's twice the price of an unmodded Turin, or GCP + Gagguino, and it's out of stock!

@jkpz10 6 месяцев назад

have you tried and review hibrew h10a .

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

I have not

@jkpz10 6 месяцев назад

just wondering if this can steam milk while pulling a shot, without losing pressure? it might be a good upgrade for my hibrew h10a

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

This can not brew and steam at the same time

@sixelanavi03 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for the video! Just wish you also tried fresh beans and did a quick taste test. Big miss in my opinion.

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

Absolutely nothing to be learned from a single shot on a single grinder. This was just a first impressions live unboxing. Giving an opinion right off the bat would have provided no value

@sixelanavi03 6 месяцев назад

@@LifestyleLab_ but you provided an opinion vs other machines. That’s where I’m coming from. Nonetheless, appreciate your videos man.

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

@sixelanavi03 espresso machines are generally function focused in the value they bring. Compared to the grinder, they have very little impact on the quality of the drink. Sort of like a camera body vs the lens in front of it :)

@sixelanavi03 6 месяцев назад

@@LifestyleLab_ fair enough!

@tomscott4438 3 месяца назад

@@LifestyleLab_Except you did give a LOT of opinions on things like build quality and features (compared to other brands) without really testing any of them or opening it up for a view of the internals. I know that’s probably coming in a future video, but this was heavily positive without much more than a cursory view.

@davidfuller581 6 месяцев назад

2:32 the group (and therefore boiler) is not straight in the frame. In fact the whole thing looks bent out of true. Yikes, not a great look.

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

It’s just the angle of the camera… everything is parallel

@cra2yjoker 7 месяцев назад

Why does it looks so much like the miicoffee and kafmasino 1

@winnchastain8713 7 месяцев назад

Cause they are exactly the same machine just rebranded

@berniern5788 7 месяцев назад

Looks like a Gemilai. rebranded as Turin.

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

This was specifically mentioned in the video :)

@adamg.manning6088 7 месяцев назад

It’s really disingenuous to say that this is “made by Turin”. Turin is the House Brand of Espresso Outlet. They put their name on anything that fits their catalogue. They can be from one or a dozen factories. There’s nothing wrong with this, but it’s an important piece of info to get right.

@joekolb3937 7 месяцев назад

We private label them Turin, but machine wouldn't exist in current configuration without us. So made by Turin? Depends on your definition but we had several important things changed and wouldn't be in usa market without us

@ilkzode1822 7 месяцев назад

@LOLBTLOLBT 7 месяцев назад

It's a about time to bring competition to the budget market, there is nothing complex about a consumer espresso machine, company like gaggia is milking consumers by adding a real featute every 5 yrs lol like how hard is it to make it 9bar and add a pid???

@jamesmclaughlin3460 7 месяцев назад

Chinese build? Lot of options I agree but longevity is the question. I've been burned before even if they cover it. Time down inconvenience. I'll stick with Italian build quality for now. It will be interesting to see if this unit is as good as we hope though.

@espressomatic 6 месяцев назад

I have a GCP and frankly I'd be surprised if any part of it is actually manufactured in Italy.

@tomscott4438 3 месяца назад

Espresso Outlet has Turin, Clive have Lucca, and Seattle Coffee Gear have Diletta. I’m sure they’re decent units, but it’s obvious they are making a huge markup on these “house brands”. (Makes me wonder why Whole Latte Love never went this route)

@jamesmclaughlin3460 3 месяца назад

@@tomscott4438 I bought my little set up from Wholelatte. So far so good

@darkassassins123 7 месяцев назад

This is a great it is nice df or turin comes in this market of mid range coffee machines, and have intersting features for the price. people don"t really realize that more competition brings more innovation thus more more features and a A good price-performance ratio. This is how all the technologies are more affordable than say twenty years ago. Anyways great first impression mate.

@nhayes927 7 месяцев назад

Just get a crossland cc1.....

@romanxkostan 7 месяцев назад

What's your go to budget espresso machine?

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

Currently, the Gaggia Classic Pro or Breville Bambino Plus

@romanxkostan 7 месяцев назад

@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks very much.

@hafizmohtar 7 месяцев назад

Been waiting to get my first espresso machines since early 2023 and till now havent get one hahaha , i dont know what stopped me

@NeverTakeNoShortcuts 6 месяцев назад

Hasn’t this same machine been out for over a year or more under another name?

@tomscott4438 3 месяца назад

More like 5 years. Turin (for Espresso Outlet) buys them for around $150, rebrands them, and sells them here for the “bargain” price of $500. Nice little profit margin and since they don’t actually make them, zero R&D or manufacturing costs. If they were $350 I’d probably jump on one, but not for $500.

@sofiaclemente7925 7 месяцев назад

Gonna repeat what others have said and wondering how this compares to the Profitec Go!

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

More features on this, but the Profitec definitely wins out in terms of build quality and steaming power as you'd expect

@motopasky 7 месяцев назад

Not a fan of thermoblock systems, so a big NO from me.

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

Interesting! What don’t you like about using a thermoblock for steaming?

@motopasky 7 месяцев назад

Slow, underpowered, the capillaries are prone to blockages, thermoblocks are not serviceable, and expensive to replace. Also, unless you're a techno fan, the noise is annoying.

@LOLBTLOLBT 7 месяцев назад

Lol thermoblock is not some advanced technology, my bidet has one

@Kecske131 7 месяцев назад

This machine has been on the market in the EU for a while (more than a year I think), under the name AVX DB1. They all come from the same factory, with different brand names stamped on it. A nice machine for the price point for sure.

@10000roman 7 месяцев назад

Yup and Turin making it sound like its their own machine 😂 they didnt even bother putting the brand like Miicoffee did

@JamesMatthew-Zero79 7 месяцев назад

⁠@@10000romanthat miicoffee branding is such a turn off 🫣

@TheDennzio 7 месяцев назад

I don't care about this machine but I like your reviews

@hthomas007 7 месяцев назад

Mmmn make me sum

@mulullama 7 месяцев назад

Identical to the miicoffee apex. Same machine, rebranded. Nothing special just a cash grab

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

Isn’t every business a “cash grab”?? What’s wrong with finding a supplier for a product and selling it…

@bsyoutube2649 7 месяцев назад

Omg it look like lelit. NGL

@damianhbk1 7 месяцев назад

Beautiful machine and thank you for an actual reaction video. I'm hesitant in purchasing this machine on the fact that it's version 1 and with Turin's track record they tend to release V2 of their products rather quickly. I do however admire that price point! Now we're talking! I love the competitiveness that this company aims for. 👏👏👏

@GG-ud5jl 6 месяцев назад

This model has been sold for quite a few years already in other country. While it is definitly cheaper built it's still packed with features. Probably won't last you 20 years but let's be honest no machine last that long without any repairs anyway.

@whatsay8406 7 месяцев назад

No doubt this machine is a pretty well equipped for the price, but let’s be real, the price companies charge for these features is way over priced. With that said, I feel like this is a great machine for someone who’s not sure if this will to be a real/long term hobby. This thing may last a few years, at which, time said person could upgrade.

@borzica 6 месяцев назад

Nice Profitec… I mean “turin”

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

How is this a Profitec?

@borzica 6 месяцев назад

@@LifestyleLab_lol dude why do you get offended so easily? The idea behind my comment was about the design. They pretty much copied how the Profitec Go looks… buttons placement, steam knob, analogue gauge…

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

I’m just clarifying? Not offended at all, just wondering what aspect of this unit is Protofec-esq to you

@borzica 6 месяцев назад

@@LifestyleLab_ yeah design for sure

@spaceair2618 7 месяцев назад

first comment :)

@Ron-tr2wr 6 месяцев назад

Don't forget to mention made in China lol. The internal is very cheaply made.

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

One does not equal the other. This machine was been sold for over 10 years now. Do your research

@Ron-tr2wr 6 месяцев назад

@@LifestyleLab_ Sold for 10 years, and barely has a market in the EU and US...

@LifestyleLab_ 6 месяцев назад

China is one of the largest markets in the world… millions of brands exist there that are not in NA and the EU

@user-bm8uw2wz3q 7 месяцев назад

Why is this guy deleting comments for people not agreeing with this machine because of its origins

@LifestyleLab_ 7 месяцев назад

I haven’t deleted any comments?

@BananaChipzzz 7 месяцев назад

How do you “agree” with a machine? People in the coffee community can be so fucking stupid.

@motopasky 7 месяцев назад

Be respectful and follow community guidelines. It's not hard, and your comments won't get deleted.

@BelovedNL 7 месяцев назад

@@LifestyleLab_my comment keeps getting deleted and I wasn’t rude or anything like that

@ilkzode1822 7 месяцев назад

@@BananaChipzzzbecause a few individuals commented on this machine being Made in ... ? Consumers have the right to buy as they please. Even if their biggest concern is which country it was made in. It was mentioned in the comments that some feel this machine (made in ....) is in no means up to its italian gaggia counterpart

@tonydelvecchio1431 6 месяцев назад

This comment section is coffee snob gatekeeping at its finest. “This can’t be as good as my $1000 machine. It’s not even Italian” blah blah blah. Gaggia and rancilio are falling behind mainly because they don’t want to eat into their profit margin. The new machines should have newer features that the community is asking for, yet they don’t add simple things like PIDs. Way to go @espressooutlet