The main problem with ads on youtube is not only how invasive they are but how many of them are just full out scams that are basically impossible to report.
The only way to decrease the adblock users is to make the ads less annoying and check if the advertiser is legit. It could help if the ads were on the side of the video or if 5 consecutive ads didn't appear before, during and after the video. I know that RU-vid won't realize this without help so we need to try and shove it in its face the way it shives ads in ours.
Honestly I would be ok with a comeback of the (non-intrusive) banner ads here on youtube. Just as you said, right below the description have a small banner ad. Also what happened to in-video ads (the small pop-up windows at the bottom that didn't interrupt your experience at all)
@@laberry8128 I'm an adblock user and I would've stopped it if the ads weren't shoved in my face. At least I think that's the only good way they can win the war. If you have a better idea you can share it here.
I used to whitelist RU-vid from uBlock because I was allowed to keep the offensive and malicious ads away via the report option. It was fine back then because I didn't have to worry if my siblings would see the ad that shows up. Now it's an absolute necessity to keep uBlock turned on long after that age. I just can't trust Google anymore.
So wrong. RU-vid went "crazy with the ads" wayy after adblocks were a thing. I'd say, if adblockers wouldn't be this popular, we wouldn't be having these problems(or at least not at this level.)
Exactly - there is a middle ground that could be found, but they just want to do what they want to do and will push as hard as they can until they get their way. I'd be okay with unintrusive ads, but when ads are intrusive, inappropriate and excessive, people are going to find ways to block them.
As a developer, I'm still suspicious, because it's not as if a bunch of ad blockers would start running slowly all at once without something going on on RU-vid's end. It's not like this just affects one piece of software, it affects several different ad blockers from several different code bases, with the commonality between them being RU-vid. It was probably deliberate negligence, where RU-vid rolls out an update that's not designed to cause a memory leak with ad blockers, but it does this as a side effect, which RU-vid decided not to address. That lets them have their cake and eat it, too, where they can truthfully deny that they went out of their way to slow down ad blockers but can also just let this little accident do that exact thing for them, making it to where every ad blocker has to update individually to address the issue that is FOR SOME REASON specific to RU-vid.
As far as I’m aware, it wasn’t “a bunch of ad blockers”, but only AdBlock Plus. I’m using uBlock Origin and Brave’s ad blocker (depending on the machine), and I haven’t experienced the issue. Also, see issues #532 and #536 on AdBlock’s GitLab repo.
Except it's not a bunch of adblockers. It's adblock specifically, which is the main free adblock that every one sees when looking it up, cuz of the name. If you had something like ublock, it worked perfectly fine, and ublock is one of the more popular ones
@@Xnoob545 me I use it, no real good reason, just do, i've just used the latter for a long time, I just don't feel like changing it btw, isn't it kinda suspicious that all the comments naming A______, A_______ P_____ and U_____ O____ all got shadowbanned? jeez, can't figure out what happened here
instead of shoving more and more ads down our throats, youtube could just make their ad spaces more expensive, you know? They're still one of the most valuable sites to advertise on, so advertisers would just suck it up, and in return users wouldn't feel so annoyed by ads that they feel forced to block them
At the risk of fucking themselves over in the process, google adsense and youtube may be the biggest fish but if they start exploiting that by raising prices they run the risk of getting sued for anti trust practices
This would also unilaterally make "line go up", the ultimate goal of economics. There must've been some kind of deal taken out where RU-vid will show more ads but still be as cheap to buy up adspace on it as it was in 2008.
I credit youtube for pushing me into the IT field, if they had never made ads so invasive i would have never tried blocking them and never would gotten into IT
They all ready do too an extent, priority advertising that costs more goes on big, brand friendly channels. Everyone else gets mobile app ads (in reality its more of a mix, but weighted to bigger/friendlier youtubers) just like how the time of day and show playing changes the cost of ads on TV. Companies wont pay a premium to have an ad on a random video.
For the unaware, adblock used to just be one single add on/plugin, eventually the guy who developed it stepped away and let someone else take over, that guy started letting people pay to avoid being blocked and was generally a bit of a scumbag, that version is adblock plus, then the original dev came back and started ublock origin ublock origin uses less memory/processor and is stricter about what it will/won't allow through, pretty much everyone who cares about the difference between them agrees ubo is better
@@GbrlPlayer Brave uses chromium as a base for developing their browser, firefox + ublock origin is the way to go, as chromium will nerf adblocks after v3.
Every single tech expert unaffiliated with Google disagrees. Adblock has a history of improving performance by sheer merit of removing data that isn't needed for the site to function. YT has been on this warpath for a while now, and adblock worked perfectly fine up until recently. It is no coincidence that adblock started being a "problem" right around when YT started to get hostile towards it.
This wasn't happening under Susan Wojcicki's reign. This appears to be more involving Neil Mohan (the ad guy at Google) becoming RU-vid chief as Google automates sales and customer service for their core product, that being, the advertising.
Also it was literally proven in the code (you can find it yourself) that youtube was intentionally preventing videos from loading for like 5 seconds on firefox. So this video is just straight up misinformation.
Honestly my problem with Ads on YT come down to 3 things: 1) In certain videos they are overwhelming, and even skipping back a minute in a video to re-watch something can re-trigger 30 seconds of ads for content you have already watched. Sometimes I accidentally skip to next video or skip back on mobile and, boom, I need to load ads for an entirely new video I didn't mean to click only to rewatch MORE ads for coming back to the original video I didn't mean to skip away from. 2) The the ads rarely fit the tone of the video I am watching, I can be listening to quiet trance music and get blasted with a POWERTHIRST tier advert then get a 5 minute 'meditate with me to fall asleep better' advert while trying to listen to a doom soundtrack, kills the vibe. 3) The constant back and forth between quick 10-30 second ads that are unskippable and 5 minute ads I *NEED* to skip are so jarring. If I am just sitting there listening to a podcast/long review in the background and suddenly an ad bursts in that is fine cause I can just ignore it for that time. When suddenly I know the ad has been going for far too long I have to stop what I am doing to address it, there is no consistency between passive ads and ads that I am forced to interact with. YT ads just suck because they are incredibly invasive and get directly in the way of the content you are trying to watch, compound it with all of these other problems and the problem gets so bad people search for any way to just to enjoy the content YT is keeping from them.
My problem with ads is they are trying to control me to buy something, that is the only reason for ads to appear, and ad companies have spent billions working on how to make their ads more effective. Best ad = an ad block blocked ad
Advertising can be fine but it doesnt need to be in your face. They could just keep it on the side or provide a link or hub for users to willingly browse through targeted ads as one would browse through a magazine. Making ads unskipable or huge is exploited by giving those features and other special assurance to marketers who pay the most rather than having them all fair and optional.
but if we can't sell you anything the internet will self-yeet. you don't want the internet to do that, do you? Nice internet you have there. Shame if something were to.......... happen....... to it
Ads on RU-vid aren't just annoying -- they're dangerous and can infect your computor with malware. Not using adblock is hard to justify when RU-vid's system isn't just aggressive but poorly regulated to screen out malicious ads.
I don’t know if they went through with that idea of making users with adblockers still wait 5 seconds before watching a video, but 5 seconds of silence still sounds so much better than loud obnoxious 15 second ads that you’ve seen so many times that you’ve unwillingly memorized it. I think I’m gonna get an adblocker now
0:16 So here's what said in the article, since the video neither explain in detail nor even provide links for convenience: _Adblock Plus developers noted the issue as performance regression on its GitLab repo. It wrote:_ _Recently, ABP released version 3.22 which upgraded the bundled extension engine version to 1.1.1. AdBlock released version 5.17.0 which also updated the extension engine to version 1.1.1. We've had several reports of slow response time since the update._ _It appears to be an issue in the extension engine since ABP, AdBlock, and the EWE test extension all seem to experience a similar issue with the 1.1.1 version of the extension engine._ _The issue has now been fixed with the latest eyeo's Web Extension Ad Blocking Toolkit (EWE) version 1.1.2, where the breaking change has been reverted._ _Hence, if you are one of those users who is experiencing issues with Adblock and Adblock Plus, you should update your extension. It is also advised not to run multiple content filters or adblockers on your browser if you are facing performance issues._
@@xFluing Well not me. I was honestly annoyed that I had to look the article up since the links aren't even included. Just thought to share if there's any who felt the same.
I mean, certainly interesting for techie types like you and me but doesn't really answer the question in any more depth than was in the video already It just went from "adblock was slowing page loads" to "a thing adblock relies on was slowing page loads", it's just the "it's turtles all the way down" of performance issues No offense, i appreciate you going out of your way to find the source and everything, just doesn't really answer the question any more for me, thanks though!
@@Imperial_Squid No worries. That said, I'm not even a techy type. After Hbomber plagiarism call out nuclear drop and the very recent Mamamax fiasco I just grew more critical in general. The fact that LIMC included both the headlines and site names in the video, yet 0 links to be easily read and see for myself I found to be annoying. I did easily look it up from the title and site afterwards, so I thought of sharing.
ever since youtube and MP3 came around i've been doing everything I can to avoid ads as much as possible for 15 or so years. I gave up on radio when driving, only to listen to my own stuff. I gave up on cable TV for youtube and the internet. I've always hated commercials and ads, if there's away around it I'll take it. If i'm a leech so what? At least I'm not constantly getting angry at horrible ads for garbage I will probably never buy or use.
"Its not youtubes fault, its just youtubes fault." "Oops, i changed my programing so that users with adblock experience a 'bug' with the adblocker slowing down their computer. Totally not intentional on our end. No sir." Isnt exactly a defense of youtube.
Yeah I love how this is the common sense conclusion but so many idiots in this comment section are just like “WoW I cAn’T beLiEvE hOw QuIcKiY pEoPlE bLaMeD YoUtUbE.”
I got one where a guy spanks a woman’s bottom, and another where zombies start peeing on survivors. I dont watch or search anything related to these topics, its so dumb.
largely over the years advertisers have not always cared about adblock users. they understand quite simply that if a user is using adblock, they are literally the least likely person to engage with ads in the first place. forcing them to turn on ads to use your site doesn't help all that much because they are never going to click on an ad. youtube seemingly used to understand this, until suddenly they changed their minds.
Before using adblockers I literally reported everything ad for being inappropriate irrelevant, and then repetitive in that order. So it’s honestly better for the advertisers that I never see their ads so that I can’t report them.
@@EmperorPenguin1217 honestly the most likely scenario is in an update they added something that clashed with the coding of adblockers that way they could claim it is the adblockers fault and have the evidence point to it. However anyone thinking critical will realize RU-vid had a hand in it due to them being the only ones benefiting from it and how it just randomly started.
youtube cuold have ended adblock by simply offering a no ads alternative to premium that isn't 12€ a month. It cost more than netflix and disney+ combined and they do not produce their own content. The only way i'll consider buying premium if it was only one payment ever, even itf it was 50€.
Yup. It should be £2/$2 a month. Nice and low. Everyone would pay that and they have enough users to make absolute bank off of it. But no, they're greedy and so they keep premium with it's lacklustre benefits. (which I tried and forgot about on a free trial)
Maybe when the Ads arent borderline porn anime games or the classic mobile game ads that seemingly change format on a monthly basis I genuinely have seen multiple Age of Frostfall ads and each one portrays it as a diffrent type of game
Even so, I still refuse to remove it for the sake of corporate schmucks who insist that cramming in gross shit about toe fungus and shitty mobile app games every five minutes. If it wasn't for both a lack of quality control, how invasive it is, and recently the fact you can't skip both ads sometimes, I'd be more willing to humour them and sit through maybe an occasional advertisement that I could skip at the start and end of a video. I'm not budging an inch whilst they insist that I have to watch a thirty second unskippable ad every five minutes, about ways to clear toe fungus. Fuck, I just miss it when they used to advertise games to me. There's been at least a couple times where I've actually checked one out, so I don't see why they have to go with this "more is more" approach. RU-vid won't change shit for the better however, so the Adblock stays on. If I could get it for my tablet as well, for free, I absolutely would. That is how bad it's gotten, and it'll only get worse.
Even though it was Adblock's fault for slowing down, it's all because of RU-vid being a little bitch about ad blocking in the first place Therefore, RU-vid still bad
Does anyone actually believe it was adblockers fault here? Chances are RU-vid put some bullshit in that clashed with adblocker’s code to make it look like adblocker was at fault; which makes sense with the fact it just started randomly. As such there is no evidence that RU-vid isn’t at fault while there is tons of evidence that they are as such RU-vid is still at faukt
I don’t really give a shit it’s just an ad, it’s 20 seconds to wait and let’s be honest if you’re watching RU-vid at the time you could probably be doing something better
if youtube is running slow on firefox, it IS a youtube thing! i literally installed ublock origin so i could add a filter so it spoofs my browser as chrome instead. no issues since.
I mean, I know *now* that it's simply better, but I didn't hear about it until RU-vid kicked off their anti-cosumer- I mean anti-adblock campaign. Some people first heard about adblockers through the campaign in the first place... different places on our journeys, remember?
So the developers behind adblock go to sleep. 3am RU-vid releases an update which causes their whole system to go bonkers and start looping itself until someone comes and corrects it...... But yes. Its "adblocks" fault Sure
and it happened with multiple different adblockers at the same time and only on youtube. even if it wasnt intentional sabotage or anything Im still pretty sure it was youtubes fault
"No, RU-vid isnt slowing down AdBlock users, Adblock is" Hmm....How much did RU-vid pay you to say this? Just asking. 🤦♂️ With so much evidence that they are, you're saying they aren't. What other incentive would make you say the opposite?
What evidence? When the story first broke I was hoping for someone to find the piece of javascript that is detecting the ad blocker and causing the slowdown. When I then looked into it, I found issues #532 and #536 on AdBlock’s repository, which claimed that a performance regression in one of their dependencies was causing the slowdown, and that the issue has been fixed. It’d be interesting to see what evidence you found, though.
@@ThePC007 it makes more logical sense that RU-vid added something that was clashing with adblocker’s code creating the problem which is why it started suddenly and only happened on RU-vid. Really when you take into account both those parts RU-vid causing it is the only logical conclusion.
@@theredhood2796 I haven't looked too deep into the source code, but the issue seems to be a change in AdBlock's extension engine called `webext-ad-filtering-solution`. Specifically, version 1.1.1 introduced a change in which the content filters are updated when a website manipulates the browser's history. Most websites don't do that, but RU-vid is implemented as a single-page app (meaning the website doesn't need to reload when you click on a video), which means it manipulates the browser's history programmatically. This is why it only affected RU-vid (and possibly other single-page apps with ads on them, if such sites exist) and it's also why other ad blockers weren't affected.
The ads wouldn't be such an issue if I didn't 'ave an ad break every 4 minutes in my 16 minutes long videos, oh and don't forget the before and after ad too!
For all those that can’t take 5 seconds of ads. No shade, I hate them too. There is one way I found to keep content on your screen always (at least on your phone.) 1. You choose the main video you want to watch. 2. Once an ad starts playing slide the video down to the miniplayer and click on the shorts tab. 3. After watching even just a second of the Short the ad on the main video will be gone. For maximum content yall should check if the creators you watch make Shorts anyways and watch those so that the algorithm gives you shorts you’ll probably like. That’s it. ❤
it's fascinating just how easily rumors can be spread on the internet nowadays. i definitely was also quick to blame youtube, despite seeing no real evidence, which only worries me for just how easy it is to spread misinformation, even if unintentionally
"No real evidence" I mean, RU-vid got super slow and not any other website, I looked it up to see if it was just my computer or internet, and turns out disabling adblock completely fixed it (despite me having Premium) The evidence everyone had was "it happening in front of our eyes" Also isn't there no evidence it's adblock's fault either? I might've missed one line in this video
Me too, then I looked into it and found issues #532 and #536 on their GitLab repository. Yeah, turns out it was just a performance regression in one of AdBlock's dependencies, which explains why other ad blockers weren't affected.
I have no idea how companies haven't caught on that, while ads only work sometimes to lure people in, most times, it makes people resent the advertised product, doing the opposite of ad goals
At one point i gave in and paid for premium because the ads on mobile were starting to really affect my mental health. Two months later, i saw the shit youtube was trying to do to people using adblocks, safe to say i cancelled that subscription and found other means to remove ads. RU-vid really did this to themselves
@@sawyerharris6966 Try already suffering from depression and being forced to see the same tiktok ad over and over again, every 2 minutes, constantly seeing companies bend the rules over what's acceptable in an ad, meanwhile you can't even swear in a video without said company bending you over and shafting you. The fact you need to *ask* how it can affect someone means you're either too numb and just swallow whatever corporate shoves down your throat, or you're too young to understand what mental health is
I hadn't experienced any slowdowns with RU-vid, but hearing that other people did, I assumed RU-vid just rolled out the slowdown update to only some people, as they've done with some of the other updates
What's the point of this video? It's an actual waste of time, like, it's 2.5 minutes long and it STILL manages to say absolutely nothing. At no point does the author even DESCRIBE what the bug was, he just shows one headline after the other, and midway through the video, he starts describing the concept of ads and adblock for no reason at all. This video is nothing more than algorithmic slop, if you just read the title and moved on, you would have learnt just as much. I don't care if the time it took me to write this is longer than the video itself, I'm just very annoyed that the video tricked me into thinking it would be short and to-the-point
The only intellingent comment on this video. People can't think for themselves so they need someone to think for them. If anyone sees this, please, like the OP's comment. This is misinformation on LIMC's part.
You used penguinz0's video talking about the topic over a part of your script that claims many youtube influencers were misinformed, when in reality penguinz0 accurately mentions that this isnt a problem created by RU-vid. Great irony.
Before I used Blockers I used to get the same single (1) annoying ad about vaping being bad. Pure torture and I hadn't so much as even *thought* about that at all _ever_ Luckily back then you only got one ad occasionally at the start and sometimes you'd get midrolls.
I'm from Russia, and because of sanctions we have no advertising on RU-vid, and it works great, my adblock doesn't interfere with it. So it's about RU-vid and its advertising.
1:04 they said they were implementing a 5 second delay last year. So it's _not_ "misinformation" that RU-vid is running slower than it otherwise would, for the reason they thought, but in addition to that delay, there is an unrelated delay.
Personally, I never had an issue with RU-vid ads. Other sites, sure, but RU-vid always felt fine to me. Ads are either shorter than fifteen seconds or skippable after five, so even after double-ads became a thing, the longest I ever have to wait for a video is thirty seconds. Far from unbearable IMO.
Cool. So explain why I, not using Adblock OR Adblock Plus but using SEVEN other adblocking programs updated various times (many quite out of date yet still working) could still get the buffering issue to manifest? RU-vid was clearly, and is clearly, punishing detected ad blockers. Period.
I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit. Google are absolutely 100% fucking with adblock users, but just in a sneakier way. There is a solid second-long delay when typing comments if adblock is on.
Having a concentration problem - It's hard for me to read articles, when there are ads that follow me down when scrolling, and flicker their messages for their shitty products (because static PNGs aren't eye-catching enough).
I remember when there was one skippable ad at the start of the video and one at the end. Now there are two ads at the start of the video (one unskippable) and a bunch of midroll ads that come in at the worst times even on sponsored videos. I get it, money is really nice, greed is really addictive, but ads are not fun to watch and ruin the experience.
i am now using a ad speed up extension and it's so funny to see the ads now they go by so fast. it also doesn't give you the "stop using a ad blocker" message
There was, at least for a time, actual code found in RU-vid that targeted users using adblock and firefox, and slowed down their connection artificially.
If happily watch a short ad if it was relevant to me and not annoying/playing for the 100th time. The problem is youtube spam you with the most hideous, cringeworthy and irrelevant ads hundreds of times in a row. I would give anything not to watch a justeat ad again
Also the hypocrisy content creators get demonetized for saying hell but the day I turned 18 RU-vid immediately gave me ads for sex toys. Like don’t claim content creators saying the word shit is “not advertiser friendly” when most of your advertisers are scammers and people selling sex toys.
RU-vid was in the crosshairs because they did get caught making browsers like Firefox have an arbitrary 5 seconds of load time added in their site's script. Which instantly went away and came back respectively if you used a useragent spoofer then disabled it. If you get caught doing underhanded things as a large company, your reputation will be destroyed quickly and I can't say they didn't deserve this paranoia.
It might just be the adblocker but I think RU-vid is putting more ads on the tv and console versions of RU-vid to supplement for the people using Adblocker’s on pc or mobile, cause I try watching RU-vid on my switch nowadays and I get like 4-5 ads in the video that are 15-20 seconds and are unskippable till the last one, it’s so bad
