Orangemen are pagans, who want to be thought of as Protestant Christians, but dress like Free Masons. I’m an actual Protestant Christian and I find them weird.
@@harrybacon419 It's worse, it's a celebration of the protestant ascendancy that rendered natives second class citizens for decades. It's an undeniably hostile gesture and I can't imagine why it's tolerated today; marching through the streets in a military fashion with the Orange Order and paramilitary groups that still intimidate, extort and brutalise people today.
@@countryview2020if you require a history lesson I suggest you research what happened to catholics after the battle of the boyne. Then come back and tell me it isn’t sectarian
Not Catholic or Protestant but a former resident of Glasgow. My overwhelming feeling about the Orange marches from my experience was of an excuse to stir up sectarian hatred that expanded to racial attacks too. My mates and I would be targeted for being out not wearing orange or blue clothes or Rangers tops and then I would be yelled at, threatened and called the N word. Similarly I knew to expect crap when I had to walk past an orange lodge or a Rangers pub. Not to say all rangers fans or even orangemen are the same but there’s bad vibes to the whole thing and I find it completely false equivalency to compare a saints day who btw is the patron of the entire island of Ireland to a celebration of sectarian domination
The “you have st Patrick’s day” comparison is hilarious. The Irish flag is banned by most councils from being displayed in the parade. The parade is made up of community organisations (schools, youth clubs etc), Disney characters, Chinese dragons, Spanish dancers. It also lasts a single day. However, orange parades are year round. The UVF, UDA, Union Jack flags displayed on lampposts all year round. The parade is made up of the orange order that, still to this day is openly sectarian and misogynistic. The parade is full of Union jacks and British symbols. The bonfires are plastered in Irish flags, Irish symbols, pictures of Catholic politicians, sectarian slogans. The ones that aren’t covered in flags are still health hazards and houses have to be hosed down in case they melt. St Patrick’s day and the twelfth are not even remotely similar. It’s hilarious than you can build bonfires with 0 council objection but to build an Irish language school it has to under go consultation in case it “upsets the locals” or causes offence. You cant even have a bilingual sign without them throwing a fit. This country is a joke
@Johnsmith47890 just like you are bitter about the orange order .we're bitter about Republican language. Don't need that stupid language keep it to your self
@PhilipOsborne-rz9eu At least we actually have our own language and culture unlike you guys who just suck on england for everything including language and culture 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
@@HarunalRashide123 Pretty sure the gay lads don't burn effigies of straight people on top of bonfires. And if you have an issue with feminism I suggest you take it up with your wife. For the liberals you can do what everyone else does. Roll your eyes and ignore them. Not like they ever make a difference.
If it’s a day that both sides can enjoy why is it that most bonfires have anti catholic effigies on top off them just be honest it is and always will be an anti catholic event
Love the idea that they think Catholics should go to an event where there are large slogans saying things like "All Taigs Are Targets" and everyone is pissed out of their minds and singing "we hate Catholics".
The weird thing is. English racists see the flag of St.George a Syrian or Turkish saint as typically English. As I say weird but racists are never the sharpest tools in the box.
Something nobody mentioned - another reason most Catholics don't show up is because you're watching a bunch of middle aged men in suits walk about to the sound of drums and screeching flutes. Its like a worse version of a funeral
Everyone has their own interests and passions, whether it’s following a historical figure, playing sports, or cooking. It’s part of what makes our lives different mate.
These events tagged blindly as "this is a Protestant parade" and "that is a Catholic parade" without really understanding the meaning and history behind anything. I grew up in the Protestant community in Belfast. As I grew up and broadened my horizons I realised that Catholics generally have a better grasp of what's behind their history and culture than Protestants do. Making reference to St. Patrick is fairly meaningless. St. Patrick predates any existence of Catholicism or Protestantism so it's a valid celebration for everyone in theory.
Exactly! It’s a Christian holiday and they are Christian. Never mind the fact that Patrick was an Englishman who colonised Ireland too after being a slave trader there for many years so they’d have more to celebrate than we would there..
It’s only about bigotry. It might give Protestants some meaning and purpose, but it ultimately stems from bigotry and hatred. It’s a free society that allows these marches to continue so unfortunately I think nothing will change.
I'm a Catholic in Northern Ireland and disagree. The commerations of the UDA, UVF and other violent paramilitaries and events are based on bigotry and hatred, as are other parts of the event that are based on anti-Catholic sentiment, but the commeration of the 12th of July itself is a celebration of Protestantism and the UK. I obviously don't agree with that, but it's a non-violent, non-obstructive movement. It's when the individuals or events turn bigoted that it becomes problematic.
@@saulgoodman7402 They were largely funded by the pope. Maybe its the marching though catholic estates that upsets people. Maybe its burning figures of people. On the upside its a tiny number of people who still think this way, Rabid far right have delivered Irish reunification.
I'm an Irish patriot. ...I don't mind these parades..the 6 counties unionists are entitled to enjoy their culture, long may it last. The North/ northern ireland wouldn't be the same without them ❤
@@Britishempire-hv6rb who cares the Irish in Ireland are aboot gone. Replaced in the next generation let them weep. 2030 IRELAND 2055 ENGLAND. Scotland will be the last Christian Nation of these isles 😎👍
It's interesting how they say "the Catholics have St. Patrick's Day". St. Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland 1000 years before the Reformation, long before Protestantism existed - he brought the religious beliefs to the island for all Christians. Then again, this is all about sectarianism and bigotry and nothing really to do with religion, as such.
@@henrystevens2258 So who Christianized Ireland then, if you are an expert on this topic? Let us know. It certainly wasn’t Henry VIII He was too busy getting married and disposing of wives.
I’m from a Protestant background and I hate this display of sectarian hatred. The twelfth should not be a public holiday since over half of the population are not invited.
The Scottish man saying the Irish nationalists hold their own parades in Ireland - that's not the equivalent of him marching in N Ireland. A closer comparison would be if English Anglicans had their own order that excluded Presbyterians, and travelled en masse to Scotland every year to march in celebration of the defeat of the Scots at the Battle of Culloden
It was not a defeat of us Scots.It was a defeat of Highland Catholics, some Irish and English battalions against a British army. Proving that none were worth fighting for.
Do also want to make the point that accent means nothing. This man could have lived in Northern Ireland for longer than most of the people in the parades have even been alive. I have worked with men that moved here at 10-15 years old over 40 years ago and still have their accent to this day. This man could have spent most of his life within our culture so I believe the point you are making isn't totally fair
@@weemanbiggun9764 I was more making the point, not about him as such, but just about the comparison he made between the Orange walk and "an IRA parade", but republicans only parade in nationalist areas. There were comparisons being made with Gaelic games and St. Patrick's Day as well, but those aren't based on celebrating the defeat of Protestants and don't exclude anyone from being part of their organisations because they are Protestant, so they were not really comparable in that way There was a statue of the Butcher of Culloden in the town square in Birr (formerly Parsonstown) commissioned by Sir Lawrence Parsons "from a Principle of Loyalty" to commemorate the Duke of Cumberland "for defeating and vanquishing the rebels at Culloden-Muir", but the statue was taken down and only the Cumberland Column remains there now
@sb8163 I understand your point but in my view the only people talking about exclusion are you guys (and not talking about Catholics here). Every year on the 11th a group of 15-20 of us go to the bonfire and out of that group, there are more Catholics than Protestants along with 2/3 Muslims, and they honestly enjoy themselves more than I do which is saying something. Morgan Freeman said to stop racism you don't talk about it, in my eyes and the eyes of many people I can name, you could say the same about exclusion. If everyone's screaming "but you get this day so we get this day, but this day is cause of this that day is cause of that, you don't want me there even though you said you do" then nothing is ever going to move forward.
As a very young child I used to spend the 12th holiday at my grandparents house as my parents were always on a trip that week . They lived at 26 Clifton Street which was right in the middle of these parades and I can remember how the sense of fear and anxiety when these guys came buy. It was and always has been a demonstration of absolute superiority over the catholic community.
@Eltener123 remembering a war over religion shouldn't be a thing pal. The other things you have sighted like remembrance day and may day ... I would always remember. Christmas and that can go I'm not fussed but the theory behind it should stay
I'm sure we Irish can get past the parades just fine. Burning the Irish flag, pictures of republican public servants etc is a wee bit of a turn off getting behind the 12th. So some movement from both sides is needed
They wreck through half the towns and villages in the province, aided, abetted, facilitated and funded by Stormont, councils and the PSNI. It’s state sponsored terrorism, totally farcical!
@dougaldouglas8842 its more like an army of football hooligans descending on a town with not enough police and wrecking the place + piss and shit. Pretty fucking unpleasant tbh.
@dougaldouglas8842 Actually I’m C of E. I don’t care about the politics of it. Most people in my town just hate to have to put up with a bunch of drunken idiots come in and trash the place every year. I wouldn’t have a problem with it if they treated the town and its residents with respect and didn’t piss and shit themselves.
@@roryd1888 The flag symbolizes the rights of both communities to exist in peace. The Battles were stages in the discovery of those rights, and so I would say it is morally legitimate to celebrate what was achieved in the battle of the Boyne for the Irish Protestants right to exist.
The hilarious thing is that as far as people from Britain are concerned, if you come from the island of ireland, north or south they consider you irish. They don't give a rats ass if your catholic or protestant.
The woman saying "they play their Gaelic sports".. in their ancestral homeland! Do they ever stop to think how that would sound if it was some other place, eg Australia. "People from all over the world come.. " - if loads of people travelled to Australia to celebrate a historical victory over the Aborigines in a battle against the British forces - would that mean the Aboriginal community should "suck it up" too..
It's just a coincidence that the marches near me contain people who spit at passers by and racially abuse strangers. Not bigots at all. They just don't like catholics, or immigrants.
The comparison to st Patricks day is wrong. St patricks day is a Christian holiday(1 day). Where as the 12th is a protestant day(marching season). If it was just one day people wouldnt have an issue. Buts all summer long.
Yeah. Saint Patrick, who ironically was British, is a saint in both Catholicism and Protestantism. And as an English Brit, I don’t have an issue with Ulster Irish people celebrating their Britishness, but a controversial battle hundreds of years ago which most people on the British mainland haven’t even heard of is a weird thing to fit your Britishness around. Celebrate the D Day landings or CS Lewis’ birthday or something.
@@williamconn814😂😂 the 12th is unfortunately one day of a very long marching season. (April to August). Have you invited the UVF this year or are they too busy evicting black families from your estates 😂
@dougaldouglas8842only in Northern Ireland would the fire service be present to extinguish someone's house rather than the bonfire that caused it. Smh.
I was born in 1994 and went to Queens university in Belfast and it was my first chance to make friends from the other community. They were the best mates I’ve ever had and I wish everyone could have the same opportunity that I had to do that. In a United Ireland I would stand up for the rights of the Protestant minority like I would do for any other minority because that’s my duty as a human being. Much love to my British and Irish brothers alike.
100% I believe Protestants like everyone have a right to free expression but this march is ANTI IRISH in its nature therefore in a united ireland this march along with any republican ones must be left in the history books
The Battle of the Boyne was fought on July 1st not the 12th. What many don´t know is that the victory was celebrated in the Vatican as the Pope supported the Anti-French Alliance led by William 111.
What relevance is that? Why bring sexuality into this? Don’t stoop to their level of hatefulness and ignorance. They’re full of hate. We’re better than that 🇮🇪
Still fighting the battles of 1690 because they haven't understood anything that's happened since then ! Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaww ! Primitives !
St Patrick wasn’t an Irish man. Neither was king William. True Irish culture is the teachings and ancient knowledge and brehon laws of this ancient island. St Patrick was sent to rid Ireland of the Druids. Hence the story of the snakes.
You are a bigot and an uneducated one at that the pope supported william the dutch blue guard were williams most loyal and feard battalion who were mainly Roman Catholic and went into battalion on 1st July behind the papal banner you could not make it up 😂 @@PhilipOsborne-rz9eu
Why dont they celebrate the 1798 rebellion where Catholic, Presbyterian and dissenter all fought together onnthe same side. That is a celebration we could all vome together and enjoy
A bunch of people who - cannot speak English properly, define themselves by their "Britishness" - cannot keep the Presbyterian abstinence on alcohol but who get drunk define themselves as their hardline Protestantism - eat cheap, unhealthy takeaways for family days - play loud martial music in the presence of children. There is too much irony in all of this. No wonder your neighbours think that it is absurd.
They speak English perfectly, that’s their accent and dialect. There are a mixture of accents in the video, Irish (the reporter is southern and most of the interviewees are northern), Scottish and English. They’re all equally good or correct.
@@peteymax "Southern Irish"? I can tell you that that reporter certainly does not have a "southern Irish" accent. Sounds very eastern Irish to me. Then again, you're probably the type who calls somebody from Malin Head, Co, Donegal "southern Irish".
I'm a Catholic, and my opinion on the 12th is that it's a celebration of the continuation of Protestant rule in Ireland. A bit like, how as they argued, St. Patrick's Day commerates Catholicism reaching the island. But there is very much a limit. Celebrations of paramilitaries is a disgrace on the Protestant side as it is on the Catholic, as are bonfires that burn Catholic effegies or other instances of anti-Catholic sentiment. Verbal abuse, from what I've heard, is still very much present. An anecdote I heard recently was "Protestants are fine and we get along, then July 1st comes." Of course, it's wrong to stereotype and not all Protestants are like that, but there's definitely some that are. And I've seen other comments that the bonfires trash the place. That's just spitting on all parties involved, and an absolute disgrace. Clean up your shit.
The Protestants refuse to listen to anything. They forget that their ancestors were Catholics and they were forced to become Protestants. Very few of them know about the Religion of the Golden Headed Stick. Their hatred of all things Catholic blinds them from reality.
I'm a Catholic and have lived in the north my whole life. I am yet to meet a fellow Catholic who had attended any of these matches. To say it's a day for everyone is total nonsense.
@@PhilipOsborne-rz9eu what are you talking about , it isnt my hate im not the one celebrating a sectarian victory every year. I dont hate anyone, just merely stating a fact.
@Northern.soul99 It is the message it sends that Catholics are lesser human beings. If the rules don't matter then like the Scottish brethren change them.
As a Catholic, i appreciate some of the views demonstrated here. We need to unite as Christians again. Because when push comes to shove, we will press our shoulders to the wheel together as we have done in the pasted
What sort of an Irish Native Person would celebrate the defeat of their own People and Land. These People need to get a grip of what exactly they are doing.
Sadly the Scots and Ulster Protestants seem to be unaware of the fact that their religion was imposed on them by the English to divide and rule their countries 😂
A gross oversimplification and even misrepresentation of the reformation in Scotland which was very much its own thing with different root causes and outcomes to those in England.
Scotland had its own reformation based on Calvinism which led to the foundation of the Presbyterian church. The Church of England resulted from a split from Rome to allow a king to divorce but was, initially at least, not about a reformation.
St Patrick's Day, on paper at least, celebrates the lad who brought Christianity to Ireland. There's absolutely no equivalence with parades celebrating the victory of a Protestant king over a Catholic king on the 12th of July!! "Just suck it up" doesn't cut it anymore.
That English fella is just exactly who you'd expect him to be, I bet he's part of a group called the "Footy Lads Cenotaph Freedom Stone Island Loyalist Nationalist Royalist Free Tommy Reform Brexit UKIP MAGA MBGA Constitution Magna Carta Crew..." Or something along those lines.
As a protestant, everyone needs to calm down. If the 12th is bad, why isnt the 4th of july in the US? Also, some orange men i have to admit are very rude, but that doesn't mean they are all bad, it means some are good some are bad. Each side has its pros and cons
The Unionists want to be part of the UK but fought tooth and nail against same sex marriage and abortion rights. You can't have it both ways where you want to be in Britain but won't accept British social norms.
Happy Pride, lads and ladies. The little sashes and flutes are so cute. Good to see the older generations take part in pride events too. Holding the parades outside of pride month is a bit odd, but you do you. 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️❤🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈
Just a wee historical point : Battle of Aughrim 12th July (1691), Battle of the Boyne 1st July (1690) ... which battle are you celebrating the victory of ?
I'm Scottish with a fair bit of Irish ancestry , also the original Scot's who gave Scotland it's name , were an Irish tribe from Ulster , so i regard Irish people as my kin!🇮🇪🏴
St Patricks Day: Celebrates a Saint and Irish culture by involving everyone from multiple communities and is celebrated across the world The 12th: Celebrates a Gay Dutch protestant king and his army killing catholics putting ireland under a tyranical and sectarian rule and is only celebrated by loyalists in NI and Scotland
Patrick’s day is actually a lot more brutal than that in fairness.. it was the Christian colonisation of Ireland and it was very forceful. The story goes that he was a slave but in fact he was a slave trader and was sent on an expedition by the church to overtake Ireland. It was either that or be a debt collector In Europe which was a dangerous job at the time. Our culture was destroyed and if you didn’t agree you were slated in public or made to jump from the island. He was an awful man who btw, write his own autobiography which is taught as fact in schools here. If Hitler wrote his own autobiography he’d look very esteemed.
Quite a few poorly educated people here starting with the interviewer. St Patricks day remembers Patrick (who was British btw) bringing Christianity to Ireland. All faiths enjoy and celebrate that. King Williams victory over King James is not Protestant Vs Catholic that is such a childish ill informed view of it. In truth it was the establishment of Civil Rights, Civil and Religious Liberties, modern day Democracy for EVERYONE. A defining moment in Western civilisation. Across NI many Catholics watch the parades, or choose to go about their everyday business. The mentality of hating upon the parade because it isn't your culture or identity is a backward mindset thankfully only held by a tiny minority. Catholics are of course welcome to watch the parades, and hopefully enjoy them. It's their choice if they want to come along and do so.
The irony, an American taking the moral high ground against Ulster Protestants celebrating the conquering of natives when you yourselves live in land that didn’t belong to your ancestors either (at least there’s still a good amount of natives left in our country to oppose us, can you guys say the same?)
@@jamesthejoker7415 If you genetic test the protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland they are genetically the same with the same ancestry. Scotland were the majority of protestant culture comes from is 12 miles from Northern Ireland. Until the 19th century it was far easier to travel by boat than over land so trade between the England and Scottish coast and Ireland was massive and so was intermarrying and Kingdoms that crossed the Sea was incredibly common. For 350 years the Irish clans occupied large amounts of Scotland with the Kingdom of Dál Riata controlling the North East Ireland and the Scottish Islands and West Highlands, that's why Irish and Scottish Gaelic are so similar. There is also evidence of Irish settlements in South West England in the early middle evil period.
@@jamesthejoker7415Yanks gave them reparations and land agreements. What have you repaid to the Irish Catholic people? Let’s start the negotiations at £3bn and we’ll go from there. Don’t worry…we’ll accept an instalment plan 👍
The world doesn’t celebrate St Patrick’s Day, it watches on as Irish celebrate it - nothing wrong with that…. I like watching the local Italian celebrations, or Karen People’s days.
Once reunification happens this minority’s right to celebrate their identity will be tolerated just as Diwali and the Chinese new year are. So they’ve nothing to fear. Just don’t expect everyone else to join in.
I would advise the majority who haven't a clue what the battle of the Boyne was about to go and find out, simply saying a "Protestant king defeating a Catholic king" doesn't cut it. The pope in a round about way was on Williams side for goodness sake.
From Aberdeen and now live in Glasgow - the number of people here who genuinely think these marches are "normal" across Scotland is baffling. If they ever tried marching in Aberdeen they would be getting bricks thrown at them. Sectarianism is very much a Central Belt problem, especially the West of Scotland.
@@rfc1690not true. Live outside Stonehaven. Was cancelled by the local council because the organisers were bringing in people from other areas and the locals signed a petition against it.
We had a Reformation that got you yer freedoms hullo. Knox. The Lothians an Borders. Hullo. Hud yer wheeeest the lot of ye. Thank us anytime you like 😊👍 we built the modem world.
@@dobermankompanie Nobody gives a fuck about the Reformation. it was 500 years ago. Germany started the Reformation and they aren't holding twee marches with fat middle aged men with a life expectancy of 54, are they?
There are a number of things that need to be pointed out here, particularly for those looking at this from an outside perspective. First of all, the Orange order is NOT some benign "Christian organisation" nor is it open to all. Without even delving into its entire history whats important to recognise is just how central this sectarian organisation was to the trouble in Ireland, but particularly the role it played in the trouble in the north. Simple facts such as it was perfectly legal to be in the orange Order, the highly sectarian British army regiment the UDR and equally sectarian political police organisation the RUC simultaneously would be enough to raise concerns on their own, but given that the OO had and STILL has within its ranks multitudes of loyalist paramilitaries raises some serious questions about the ethos of the organisation and the legitimate distrustful perception the Catholic community has of it. The state of NI was for the first 50 years of its existence ruled by a single party - the Ulster/Official Unionist party which had within its ranks many members of both the RUC AND the OO. Not only that, but there was also a reserve police force called the Special Constabulary (The Specials) which drew exclusively from the loyalist and unionist populations. Added to this there was the UDR which also deliberately drew exclusively from the loyalist population with the sole aim to keep the Catholic/Nationalist population in it's place. It is a well established fact that he UDR was a notoriously sectarian organisation that had within its ranks hundreds of loyalist paramilitaries, which carried out dozens of sectarian murders and which was guilty of supplying murder weapons to various loyalist terrorist organisations. It, along with the other said organisations had many, many members of the OO within their ranks. Worst of all, it was perfectly LEGAL to be in (now get this) the UDA, the RUC, the UDR, the Specials AND the orange order simultaneously. Notice the shocking 'anomaly' here? Yes, that's right, the UDA, a terrorist organisation which was up until 1992, perfectly LEGAL to be in AT THE SAME TIME as the RUC, the so-called police force of Northern Ireland- AND the Orange Order. You could legally be in any of these organisations, INCLUDING the Orange Order while planning and executing the murder of Catholics on the streets of NI in the name of the largest loyalist terrorist organisation in existence - the Ulster Defence Association. Imagine THAT!! So in essence, the Orange Order not only symbolises everything that was wrong about this grubby little sectarian fiefdom masquerading as a 'country' but was root and branch involved in the governance of this state, the policing of this state, the military control of this state and the terrorism of this state all at the same time as claiming legitimacy as some benign Christian organisation. Aye DEAD ON! Moreover, and here's the kicker - all of which was at the behest of the BRITISH government! Also imagine THAT!! This organisation has AS A RULE that u cannot under any circumstance be involved with a Catholic, let alone marry one, or even attend a catholic wedding or face expulsion from the organisation. Their parades have been at the core of much of the trouble here in the north of Ireland. It is all well documented. One example, which was in fact the catalyst for the Catholic community saying enough was enough, the one event that motivated them to make a stand to end sectarian parades through catholic areas once and for all, was what happened in the summer of 1992 on the Ormeau road in Belfast. In February of that year, the UFF (the 'military wing' of the UDA) stormed into a book makers shop and opened fire on a packed room, killing 4 men, a boy of 15 and wounding 9 others. That event was sadly nothing too unusual in the north only that it was a mass shooting rather than the usual one or maybe 2 victims. As horrible as that was, to rub salt into the wounds, which is, let's not forget the sole purpose of marching through catholic areas in the first place, a few months later the Orange Order, along with thousands of supporters and UDA pipe bands, marched through the Ormeau road district, right past the book makers where families of the victims of the massacre were staging a peaceful protest, holding "End sectarian Marches" banners, (one woman because of her age was sitting on a chair) had to endure a torrent of sectarian abuse from OO members, who spat and jeered as they walked by, holding up 5 fingers shouting "5 - nil", closely followed by the VERY PEOPLE who carried out the massacre in the form of a UDA pipe band from across the river in the loyalist Annadale district who stopped at the spot and played a sectarian tune, right in front of the families, the worlds media AND the RUC - the police! Practically every single Orange Order member made some kind of gesture or shouted some kind of abuse at the families, many of them spitting on the old woman who sat in her chair. The most infamous of whom was a middle aged woman who danced and sang whilst giving the two fingered salute to the families, gleefully shouting all sorts of hateful slogans. Right in front of the 'police' mind you! The behaviour of the OO that day, which has to said was nothing new to Catholics, was so bad, so offensive and downright despicable that the British secretary of state for Northern Ireland Patrick Mayhew described them as "savages" and stated that they "would've disgraced a tribe of cannibals". Just let that sink in.. Let's not even get started on what happened at Drumcree a few years later! Just google that one and you'll see how after 3 months of riots, attacking police lines throwing petrol bombs and pipe bombs, causing mayhem all over the state, the RUC fired around 160 odd plastic bullets at loyalists because an Orange parade was stopped from proceeding down the Nationalist Garvaghy Road in Portadown. But When the decision was made to allow them down and Nationalists started to riot all over the state, in the city of Derry alone, over the course of ONE weekend the RUC fired nearly THREE THOUSAND plastic bullets at Nationalist rioters. Just let THAT one sink in also... What needs to be mentioned is that these parades don't just occur all in one day - the 12th - Oh no, loyalist 'marching season' lasts for 8 months of the year - EVERY year! So for those who don't know, the true MO of the loyalist marching season is entirely sectarian, entirely triumphalist and anything BUT inclusive. For decades, they were facilitated and enabled by a fiercely sectarian paramilitary police force which often used brutal violence to force these marches through areas where they were clearly not wanted. There's a long history of triumphalism and overtly sectarian abuse surrounding them which just cannot by any stretch be described as 'fun family Christian events'. They just can't because the truth is they are still behaving this way. Granted and thankfully on a much smaller scale and without the backing of their bully boys in the RUC, but they are still by and large sectarian in nature. There is just no denying this and to be perfectly honest I truly wish it wasn't so. As someone once said, forcing loyalist parades through nationalist areas, particularly what we call 'kick the pope' bands is akin to the police in America violently forcing a KKK march through a black area, stopping at the trees where they lynched young black men so they could play Dixie and openly spit in the faces of the families of the victims. Could you IMAGINE the uproar that would make?? And rightly so!! They have not, and as far as anyone here can see, will not ever change their spots. Their parades are and always have been about triumphalism, dominance, reminding Catholics who runs the show and to tell them to sit in your houses, close the curtains and keep quiet. They're STILL saying this shit! Therein lies the problem with these 'Christian' parades. Open to all, me arse! .
I am Scottish catholic born and bred from way back Irish stock and I am saying this as a 71 year old who has seen and heard quite a bit , wherever the Irish go they bring and import their historical problems , the year is now 2024 and educated and supposedly civilized people cling to this culture , and I am in no way religious or bigoted, we never learn , NEVER !!!!
IDGAF either way. One thing, though, having lived in SW Scotland for over 40 years; Orange marches are shrinking, as a dwindling number of increasingly aged participants can be bothered. The one I saw last July, admittedly in a small ex-mining village, had 43 people escorted by two police officers. Other than the two of them, nobody looked under 40.
@@noodlyappendage6729 No I understand them perfectly. They are so subservient and so kowtowed that they will reject their own culture over this contrived idea of a British unitary state.
Sectarism. If we had this situation in another country the UK government would raise concerns but not here. Berlin Wall, is a wall of oppression but similar wall in NI is called a peace wall😢
Comparing this to St Patrick’s day is pathetic. People on the “mainland” this is pure ignorance. The mainland is IRELAND not the UK. Going to GAA match you can be black, white, red and brown. You can be Muslim, Jew or whatever, we are there for the game not to talk about history or politics. This is a parade based on hate and bigotry, you need look no further to the bonfires with the tricolour and members of the rising. That chap from London should stay in London in a foreign city in a foreign country.
You obviously don't live in the South then. There's protests against blacks, Muslims, and foreigners in general every week . The mere rumour that an abandoned empty building is being used to house "foreigners", IE non Irish has the whole town out protesting and complaing that they are being overrun. They live in a fairy tale land of leprechauns and Colleen's dancing at the crossroads. More bigoted than any Prod loyalist orange man. And as regards religious persecution, from 1922 until the start of this century the Catholic Church had a free rein to brutalise the population down south. They run the country according to their religious fanaticism that would make the Taliban look like a bunch of moderate easy going lads.
GAA not political 😅Give your head a wobble . It's constitution is nationalist and you only have to look at names of some of the clubs to see why a Prod wouldn't want to play.
@@Sportspenguin77 The fact you think that is beyond a joke and shows how you are part of the problem on this island. There is no community or religious requirement to play either sports of the GAA. However the Orange order with its “inclusive” marches is a bastion of sectarianism and Protestant hegemony. Get with the times lad
