Twilight Eclipse ~ Lost in Adaptation 

And Team Therapy xD

Team Alice

Team Mike

@@nathlack6170 never read the books or seen the movies, but I've never Ever heard any one on Team Alice have to defend that pairing.

@@CollinGerberding Alice's worse trait is she likes to play dress up and becames she can see you will eventually agree to do it she just figures why even fight it. But she is living vicariously because she had no memory of being human so she is using movies and books as a guideline. She just needs a little structure.

I Love breaking Dom is my favorite book😂 Edit: or Playlist

"Breaking Dom"... That should be the title of his next Twilight video! 😂

​@@trinaq it's the title of his book review/readthrough series!

​@@PavelThorsonos the funny thing ist i did not thougt about the Playlist as i wrote the answer.

Funny usually it's the Dom who breaks some one.

The fact Meyer didn't make this a throuple with two supernatural boyfriends desperately trying to keep their stubborn dumbass human girlfriend alive is a crime.

​​@@Lanoira13 Oh, but why do that when she could add a crept imprint plotline instead? I like to think that the reason Jacob got feelings for Bella is because she had that egg that had future Renesmee in it. Since sperm that is not ejaculated (aka is still in the man's body) can last for 74 days, a few weeks before the wedding Jacob must've started having very confusing feelings for Edward lmao. Must've been a hell of a time at the wedding, being "in love" with the both of them.

@@ettaetta439 HOLY SHIT DUDE, I'm pretty sure the part about Bella is LITERALLY canonically why he was so attracted to her, like I'm pretty sure the text is like "It was always bc of her", which by effect means THE PART ABOUT EDWARD LITERALLY HAS TO LOGICALLY BE CANONICAL. Whether this is a biological process or a spiritual process doesn't matter, bc no matter what Edward as RyanRenolds' father is just as much "half of her" as Bella is. The only thing that being spiritual could possibly change is how LONG Jacob was attracted to Edward. Like if it's spiritual, there could be some fate bullshit that she was always a part of them both regardless of biological processes, in which case he could've been attracted to both of them the entire time. But EITHER WAY, Jacob HAD to have been attracted to BOTH of them for SOME PERIOD OF TIME, like CANONICALLY. ADD: It could've been SO FUCKING GOOD both story quality wise and HILARITY WISE to have the call back to the creepy imprinting shit that Jacob EXPRESSLY HATED AND DIDN'T WANT TO HAPPEN TO HIM, for his partners to accidentally have a child AND THEN REALIZE HIS FEELINGS FOR BOTH HIS PARTNERS WAS BECAUSE HE WAS IMPRINTED ON THEIR GODDAMN DAUGHTER, and then have to REJECT and OVERCOME the imprinting, REFUSING for it to take over his life or force him to feel anything but paternal love for their daughter, meanwhile he has to fall back in love with his partners, now confused that he has more attachment to EDWARD than his childhood friend because their relationship was less influenced by his biological imprint than his relationship with Bella. THE "YOU NICKNAMED MY DAUGHTER AFTER THE LOCKNESS MONSTER" BEING A MARITAL SPAT WHILE JACOB IS GENUINELY FUCKED UP AND TRYING TO HAVE A SERIOUS CONVERSATION WITH HIS HUSBAND AND WIFE, MEAN WHILE FUCKING EDWARD IS JUST LAUGHING HIS ASS OFF, LITERALLY HOWLING WITH LAUGHTER AT ALL OF THIS BECAUSE HE JUST FOUND OUT HIS WIFE'S NOT FUCKING DEAD, THEIR DAUGHTER'S PERFECTLY HEALTHY, AND HE'S OFFICIALLY JACOB'S FAVORITE, LITERALLY NOTHING COULD RUIN THIS DAY FOR HIM.

@@Lanoira13 GIRL YOU GOT INSPIRED BY THIS AND IM NOT EVEN MAD 😭😭 You need to write a fic about this or smth because now I'm invested too. Also I'd love if imprinting was actually non romantic in nature and it turned out the werewolves were all misinterpreting the imprinting thing for centuries because of how common it was for the two people to fall in love afterwards. It'd make it so much less creepy istg

@@ettaetta439 I mean Jacob straight up says imprinted people will be happy to be in whatever relationship the imprintee wants, but also kinda goes back on that by saying "but why wouldn't they want to be with them, they'll be the perfect partner" and implying the default assumption is that even people who's imprinted person imprinted on them as a baby when they were an adult will still end up in a romantic relationship, even though that doesn't make sense to be the default end state without grooming, given if you raise someone or they raise you in most situations people will almost certainly consider that their child/parent, and if imprinting includes and biologically encourages ANY form of loving relationship why would that ever change, even if they both live an extended lifespan as werewolves? Not to mention Jacob, if Jacob felt so compelled towards Bella bc of the imprinting bond he had with an egg/soul inside her, doesn't that clearly show the imprinting bond can absolutely compel imprinted people to harass, coerce, or even assault people they're bonded to, in Meyer's universe? I have been (very slowly) working on a story based on twilight (and an off handed joke from Alliebeemac's drunk readings of the first chapter about Bella being a murderer lmao) and I do plan for the second book if I do one to focus on getting the throuple together, but I don't know if I'd be able to fit a similar situation in, as it's called "mated/mating/mates" in the story and is more based on any love bond and isn't singular/monogamous. But all the mating bonds in the story currently are pretty intimate in nature and the werewolf family does have a lot of misconceptions about how their own shit works and have a history of toxic customs, so I could definitely work in it being called mating despite being able to be platonic because it's culturally expected/encouraged to be intimate even in rare, inappropriate circumstances, and thus their family is weird about it, bc they assume it can't be platonic or familial, and thus a bonded adult "mate" wanting to be around a child they're bonded with being considered inherently abusive? Not sure, I'll think about it! lol

Which is hilariously ironic, as Anne Rice is a talented gifted writer, and Meyer has no talent to speak of.

Its also because the character is from Texas and Meyer just went Texas=confederacy even though a large portion of the Texas Army stayed with the union and actually fought their own former allies.

​@@sammyvictors2603 Was, sadly. May Anne Rice rest in peace. But otherwise yeah. Ironically what little talent Stephanie Meyer seems to possess seems well suited to horror. Too bad she's mostly not writing horror intentionally, especially with all the "hey kids, grooming's pretty cool" thing she has going on. (I still find it morbidly hilarious how E.L. James is both ripping off Stephanie Meyer and somehow even *more* talentless.)

@TheLastSane1 Historically, Sam Houston (the hero of the Texas rebellion against Mexico) wasn't happy about Texas' secession from the union after all the hell they went through to join it so you can see why many Texans fought for the union. Whether or not Houston was pro or anti slavery I'm not sure

Continue the proud tradition of Twilight of focusing on the least interesting parts of its universe. John Brown Vampire hunter novel when?

@@shinyagumon7015 please john brown vampire hunter novel

I mean don't doubt the prowess of Abe Lincoln.

​@@shinyagumon7015Now that's a book I'd read.

​@@shinyagumon7015 Why is that such a freakin' great novel idea? I need this to be written. I went to school in Alabama, and the way my history teacher taught us about John Brown was... Gross. This was an AP history class, and he said the civil war was fought only over states rights, and that John Brown was a crazy guy, who went and got himself killed when he tried to get slaves to rise up, but they were too submissive and scared to follow him. I was pretty upset, when I learned the truth about that era of history.

Now that's self-control. She actually mentions torturing Royce for hours without spilling any blood to keep her from giving into temptation. She didn't want any parts of the men who gang-raped her to be a part of her.

@@margaretschaufele6502it reminds me of Seras Victoria from Hellsing when she kills Zorin Blitz: “Even if I were about to die, I wouldn’t drink a single goddamned drop of your evil blood! I don’t want you inside of me!”

I will hold judgement until Pattinson gets a Robin and we get the Batfamily.

Didn't Kristen Stewart scream at a signing in front of fans how she didn't want to be there?

I do not think this is a fair take. When I look back at the interviews at the time, it does not seem to be actual hate the way most of booktube sees it. I believe they cringe at Twilight but they DID enjoy their time with it. And for the first movie we even see they did try their hardest. If anything I believe that them talking with people that hated Twilight and having to still somehow market the movie /not enter with fights about it with random people for no reason, they chose the socially aware route and laughed it off.

Both are Oscar nomeniees. Tenet and Spencer.

Also to add to this - the Twilight cast in these modern days, when they have positions of artistic authority with generally more succesful careers - they actually speak with positivity about their experience with the series.

I was out with my Mother and JUST said the same thing!

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EddX9hnhDS4.html

Same!! I'm seething in my chair right now!!

She also went on to write Jessica Jones, and that show was about dealing with controlling and abusive relationships, something Twilight glorifies.

@@tristanhartup4936 Well I think she got it right in JJ, not that she had a choice in Twighlight.

hard agree.

I don't know if this is a reference, but I'm down!

I love reading RU-vid comments before watching the video :D

I've noticed that pattern too. Thanks for the video reccomendation

Good rec, I was familiar only with Louis and Jasper. With Louis being an antebellum slaver and Jasper a Confederate soldier I didn't connect dots before but the other examples made the pattern more apparent.

Tbh considering vampire lore (not just twilight, other stories, too) it makes quite a lot of sense for vampires to own slaves as livestock. But Jasper was human when he was in the army.... :/

@@artfoex Personally, I'd like to see the inverse of this. Vampire abolitionist who feeds on known slave owners and anyone trying to interfere with the underground railroad--

How stupid is it that the ONLY vampire media I've seen thus far that makes confederate vampires the undoubtedly evil ones, was fucking Abraham Lincon Vampire Hunter???

Particularly since slave owners becoming literal predators of human beings is, while a bit on the nose, pretty apt.

@@GriffinPilgrim Exactly, it's a good metaphor in a fantasy (or gothic) setting but presenting it as a positive completely ruins it.

Well, that show used other ways to show why they thought that was fine, mainly in production.

@@LadyAstarionAncunin Interesting, I did not know that. What happened?

I mean, it makes sense. The plantation owners were basically aristocrats in all but name. Worse really; serfs may have been basically slaves but at least they were acknowledged as being people.

@@GriffinPilgrim It's great, but obviously iffy if your vampires are supposted to be the good guys.

@@shinyagumon7015 I always thought that there is a lot of morally grey area in Anne Rice's books; i.e. there are no 100% "good guys" there

@@sternentigerkatze Oh yeah I meant Twillight here. Lestat is totally morally grey, Jasper is suppost to be a good guy

Was that the Sarah Z vid? Or maybe Princess Weekes? I heard that somewhere as well and it works.

All Hail the Algorithm

@@stareyedwitch ALL HAIL THE ALGORITHM!

Then guilt trips her for another.

​@@TeruteruBozusama Hey. He was rewarded with a high five the first time around by the girl's own father. Clearly that's a mixed signal since the girl's own opinion means nothing after all. /s

@@MusicoftheDamned hehe xD. But seriously though, imagine being Charlie... And finding out that she died was a lie but they tell him "we preformed surgery on her to look more like the doctor's wife, and we very white people are bringing your native friend's son along so he can help bringing up your grandchild in hopes of marrying her one day". And with everyone knowing that the Cullen siblings are dating (because that's totally normal /s) and after Bella's "surgery" it might look more than ever like some sick grooming cult... He... With not only responsibility to protect civilians but especially his daughter, granddaughter, and maybe, just maybe feel some responsibility for his friend's son instead goes "eh, fair enough".

@@TeruteruBozusama Yeah, Charlie's life kinda sucks. It's not even that he likes and prefers Jacob that gets me. It's that he likes and prefers Jacob even after he forcibly kisses his daughter and, technically, is responsible for hurting her hand. I get not hating the impulsive teenager for it and forgiving him, but the fact that Charlie both ignores his daughter being upset *and* praises Jacob for it *in front* of her is...uncomfortable. Of course, with _Twilight_ being _Twilight_ it doesn't rank in like Top 50 and maybe even Top 100 crappiest things anyone ever does, especially with all the grooming and other abuse going on. The fact that Charlie is probably "fine" with imprinting--granted, he can't do anything about it--while also being top cop in the area is also not...great even if Charlie manages to be more likeable than most other major characters just because most other major characters seem like such excrement.

Stephenie Meyer admitted that she made Jacob a jerk in this book to discourage people from being Team Jacob. She said she never expected people to actually root for Bella to be with him. She genuinely doesn't understand why so many fans preferred Jacob, whom we saw forming a real friendship and connection with Bella through New Moon, over Edward, whom has no real relationship with Bella outside of controlling her, and has no personality except for being called "gorgeous" 6000 times in the book. In short, SMeyer has never had a real romantic relationship and has been conditioned to think abuse is sexier than friendship.

#TeamSingle

Bella is honestly just as cruel and abusive as they are, the way she gets Edward to stay with her by threatening self-harm and how she leads Jacob on despite having no intention to ever reciprocate his feelings just because she doesn't want to be alone is just as bad as how possesive they are of her, I'd say all three of them are horrible people who deserve each other and Mike dodged a massive bullet.

​@@ag9953yeah fr, which is why she needs therapy.

I'm team Victoria because she may have raised a vampire army using unwilling participants, she did at least try to rid the world of Edward, Jacob, and Bella

Whats odd is its not mentioned at all given that in Book 4 its Alice and Jasper who track down the Amazon coven and send them to Forks and travel with the amazon leader who is like the other two is described as black or at least incredibly dark. This would have been a perfect chance for bella to bring it up.

He was part of the army BEFORE he was changed so yes it reflects badly on him

@@jackieelizabeth8614 He joined the year they voted to join the confederacy so its possible he joined before up before and just didn't leave the Texas army to remain with the union. Of course it would hold more weight of Meyers google searched the battle she named dropped. Jasper says he was defending the city in the first battle of galveston, which was held by the union and defending against the confederacy. If they re-edited the book and changed Confederacy to Union it would be more historically accurate to his account. The women is just not good

It actually could've taken a real fucked up vampire centric turn too. Kind of a "black, white - they're all meat to me" thing. That could be interesting to see explored. Racism growing into different racism due to the seeds for it being planted when he was still human.

@@samreddig8819 You mean Louis from The Vampire Chronicles? Because that was his take on racism once he became a vampire.

Why did this make me think of Brother Bear...

World of Darkness flashbacks...

Not every tribe has a myth like the "werewolf" thing. I think Meyer took a realish myth and twisted it around for the fictional myth.

@@Squirreltasticqueen That's fair, I just find the idea interesting

The books kinda do basically say that, even in this one tribe, it's not totally impossible that they theoretically COULD possibly transform into anything-they just happen to transform into wolves in particular because the werewolves in this particular tribe originated with one particular family who had a personal affinity for wolves. Or maybe I'm misremembering that, idk.

I mean this would have been PRE Adamantium so no thats just bone vs diamond.

Now there's a story idea where a Confederate Vampire would make total sense and we could see Logan just go berserker on it for catharsis. Marvel, get on Logan: Confederate Vampire Hunter.

@@TheLastSane1 yeah but this is Logan we’re talking about Even pre adamantium he was a beast that didn’t let little things like indestructible opponents get in his way. He did kill a freaking giant the Nazis had pulled through a dimensional portal from Asgard And Jasper being a pampered aristocrat probably wouldn’t have had the battle prowess yet to beat him 1 on 1 even with vampire powers

@@seanmcloughlin5983 eh depends. Also only 5% of the us population owned slaves so it’s likely his family were poor not rich. Joining the army at 17 is something poor folks did and depending on when he joined it was possible it was before the vote to join the confederacy

@@TheLastSane1 the way his family are portrayed I kinda have a feeling they were always rich And if you lived in the antebellum south there’s only one way to get that rich And they say Jasper Volunteered, not drafted And a lot of the sons of plantation owners volunteered for the army despite their youth and were usually made officers or other high ranking positions they hadn’t really earned since they were just a thank you to their families for supporting the war effort. Tho this wasn’t really an uncommon thing the 1800s, especially in the US where the army wasn’t that big or important and only got called up in emergencies

@nzstoddart Exmo here. Yep. It's really gross and really really sad.

Can you say more, please? How does she indoctrinate herself?

@@kimian6779 It's a little more complicated topic, but you can finde a lot of ex-Mormon Chanels here on RU-vid, who explain such things. " Jordan and McKay " talked about this I think. Also, " Owen Morgan (Telltale") (ex JW) talks about it, and I think he explains it pretty well.

dammit, I'm three days too late to make this joke...

Hell, just saying "I was in the army" and letting the reader fill in whatever army they prefer would have been better.

Hell yes, a better use for his powers too. In human life he had the ability to persuade people so it'd be a great power for a spy

@@GriffinPilgrim Could have made him someone from the Alamo or San Jacinto, since Rathbone's Texan, too.

I think that Princess Weekes did a whole video essay on confederate vampires that I still need to watch.

But that would require Myers not to be a bigot actual funding hate crimes, so....

I think it's also the fact that with her main leads, Meyer is trying (and failing) to write a romance, but she's actually legitimately good at writing horror and has no idea. It's almost sad.

@@keebs4265 Nah she just is not good at explaining what she means. She did the Official Illustrated Guide after Breaking Down and explained that the imprinting is not what the wolves think it is. And that all the things we learned about it from Jake is just Jake's opinion on it and what he thinks it means. But its pointed out that the wolves really do not know what it means since their assumption that it is for making better wolves doesnt work since Nessie is sterile and can't have wolf children. So she is just not good at this.

Wait, I didn't know that existed! NO NO NO!!! MY BRAIN!!! Kill me now!!!

@@mattsherlock9636 Welcome to Hell. Yeah, it’s a very controversial topic in the romance genre. Especially since a lot of Nazi romance, to my knowledge, seem to revolve around Jewish women and Nazi soldiers…

Aw yes. Because to paraphrase Film Brain. "When you need to add substance to your crappy story. Just add nazis"

AND for the same reason that people elected a certain sack of orange clearly bigoted garbage with a bad blond hairpiece AND for the same reason that January 6th will go down as the second worst date in American history next to September the 11th. If you need any understanding of why Americans romanticize the confederacy, all you need to do is look at Trump apologists, or read the comment section of any Yahoo News political story involving police corruption and black Americans and see what the majority of the commenters and replies have to say about any of these issues whenever they come up.

@@mattsherlock9636 I was appalled to find out too.

Even True Blood (AKA The Southern Vampire Mysteries) has a romantic interest vampire who used to be a confederate soldier! And Vampire Diaries has at least two! Why is this such a trope? It's weird.

​@@AN-tw7uj it adds nuance

@@lahlybird895 Not when it is never brought up again.

@@AN-tw7uj If you needed to feed on humans to survive, had a lot of money and lived in a time and country where slavery was a thing wound't you be a slave owner as well?

​@@AN-tw7uj to be fair they changed Damon's story on being a deserter later on

do you think there was like a week were jacob was just really into edward and was super confused?

@@dustyrose192 I always imagined that most of Jacob's animosity toward Edward was actually confusion and/or redirected self-loathing specifically because he was, in fact, secretly into Edward, too, but had all that hardwired prejudice against vampires and such[ so it was just easier for him to insist that it was only because they were both interested in the same girl and not at all even a little bit possibly because Jacob was also into the same guy as Bella was]. Because I just feel like that popular stereotype of the bully who bullies specifically out of internalized homophobia would have fit in pretty much right at home amongst everything else in Twilight. Loll.

First upload got taken down.

He did book reviews, he's still working his way through the adaptions.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like they're going crazy about this, I also swore I saw this before, but none of the content was familiar. I think i was just confusing it with not only his past content (in particular probably the video going over the book itself) but other people's videos about this film

May the gods have mercy on your soul.

You could be a good sister and show some of these videos first. Especially some that are funny and entertaining in pointing out how shit it is.

Better than Wanted at least. Why they even bothered to license the name of that vile bile is beyond me. Then they made.... something....

@@bthsr7113 I can't really argue with that.

Adopt is weird here because Bree is only like 2-3 years younger than Bella.

@@TheLastSane1 I know, probably some changes would need to be changed

Well I'm sure Meyer wouldn't want to promote anything that wasn't the nuclear family

​@ope0320 what are you talking about? The Cullens were all a found family

She's eternally 15, right? And Jacob is eternally 16, yes? Waay better option to unite everyone or whatever than Rasputin, if they still wanted Jacob to marry Bella's daughter of all people, jesus

Easily my favorite song yet!

THIS!!

Now that would maybe make me finally watch something Twilight conected 😂

Accidental fanfict prompt.

Understandable@@Nixx0912 I might be tempted to watch that as well XD (possibly would be better than Netflix adaptation as well)

Correct@@beyondthefourthwall 😂

@@GoatAndDog well the bar is set extremely low.

A tiny part of me died reading this comment

Its more stupid because the battle she cites that happened the day Jasper turned was the Battle of Galveston where the UNION held the city against the Confederacy. So he would have been a union soldier to be helping people out of the city. But she assumed since it was texas he had to be confederate.

I would love to see Dom and Princess do a collaborative video at some point.

It would also fit into Jasper following Carlisle's good vampire ideology. Realising you've been indocrinated into fighting for slavery would make you pretty determined not to treat human lives as "lesser". There's a decent metaphor for being unable to see the humanity in other people with vampires and slavery but Meyer completely missed it. I cannot believe there was no mention of how fucked up the confederates were

I mean it is why Edward wins his fight in the book. And he is terrified that he may have traumatized her and tells her she damn near gave him a heart attack with her stunt because he was so worried she would do something like that if it looked bad. Even when it wasn't really bad, she just didn't know that Seth was playing possum.

What happend?

​@@user-vy7si3ib1z Copyright issues

@@danielsantiagourtado3430 Of course.

@@danielsantiagourtado3430 Oh...

@@danielsantiagourtado3430 Well thanks!

the thing is Seth and Leah are likely gonna be Bella's step-siblings soon given Sue their mother is dating Charlie her dad.

Thought for a moment you were saying Jacob should have ended up with Seth.

@@edgarallenhoe3518 Still wouldve been a better love story, honestly-

He would but she also mentions changes can happen and those are drastic. There is also the problem that she didnt google search the battle she picked to turn him because he would have 100% been a union soldier if he was defending the city during that battle at that time of year.

@@TheLastSane1 Yeah, I believe it's known she didn't do much research for books

Don't you think we've tortured him enough? If not though, I think he should read Midnight Sun instead. You really can't appreciate just how creepy Edward actually is without reading that.

I don’t think we watched the same Lost in Adaptation-he’s really not into Meyer’s works lol

@@stormcloudsabound I mean, neither am I, I tried them when I was a teen and quickly gave up, but I want to see him review the odd ones over the main series that everyone knows about. Midnight Sun and Life and Death are more interesting to me than the main story that I know everything about through the sheer power of cultural osmosis.

​@@0FynnFish0 "Don't you think we've tortured him enough?" I don't understand this concept.

Why is "Life and Death" better than "Twilight"? I thought that too but couldn't figure why.

I would watch the heck out of that!!

That would be wild

Which she tried to backtrack on later. the Official Illustrated Guide has a segment where she mentions the wolves have had to rethink what Imprinting means because Nessie is sterile and so it cant be about making new wolves like they thought.

I hope your weekend after work is better :)

@@geckokid8265 Thank you! I hope so too

That is more stupid because in the books the Salvator brothers are from Renaissance Italy so definitely not confederates.

@@TheLastSane1 the show seems to be one of the things that’s in name only.

Yep, to add on to it they were most active in that cause during the civil rights era, which isn't subtle at all. A lot of cheap statues got thrown up very quickly during that time.

Hey-oh! I'm an alumnus of UNC and we are not fans of the organization. If you've heard about the epic take-down of Silent Sam a few years ago, you may know that the foundation it stood on was supplied by Daughters of the Confederacy. Now, what you may not know is that the last move our previous chancellor did before she could be booted by the school board was to authorize workers to rip out the slab in the middle of the night, and then submitted her resignation the next morning. Absolute icon.