Twilight New Moon ~ Lost in Adaptation 

Basically the same with Kristen. Like, poor girl, but as boring as it is, that *is* book accurate Bella. It's only Bella's monologue that gives her any personality; without it you're kinda left with... that. You can compare it to the next two movies when she's allowed to emote and do things. Half of what makes Part 2 is "Bella finally having fun" (the other half being, as MovieBob who will forever be etched on my soul wrt this topic said "the movie fell asleep and dreamt it was a better movie").

@@jessielefey its what happened to Harry Potter too. Half his personality was his thoughts, and in movies you dont really get that. So the characters end up pretty boring

He was rightly trying to play Edward as the obsessive controlling creep the character is not the "tortured romantic hero" Meyer sees him as.

@@leaffinite2001 Hunger Games too. When the first movie came out people complained that Jennifer Lawrence played Katniss too wooden and boring, but if you read the books, without her thoughts that’s how she is. Wooden, stoic, and kinda boring.

@@Annie_Annie__ but it made sense for "outward" Katniss to be that way, since she is basically a slave she has been taught to keep her head down and avoid notice. With Edward and Bella, there is no motivation to be found

I think it was the role and the directing more than anything. Her acting in the 2004 movie Speak was actually quite good.

What has she been in recently?

@@cheezemonkeyeater She played Princess Diana in Spencer which garnered her nominations for an Oscar, Golden Globe, & Critics Choice awards

@@cheezemonkeyeater She was just nominated for an Oscar for her performance as Diana Spencer, and she’s in a Cronenberg movie coming out later this year. Her most recent projects before those were a romcom (Happiest Season), the Charlie’s Angels reboot movie, and a thriller/horror called Underwater. She also won the Cesar Award (France’s highest acting achievement) for her work in Clouds of Sils Maria in 2014. I also recommend The Runaways, Personal Shopper, and American Ultra if you want to watch her give a variety of performances (American Ultra isn’t a great movie but she’s very fun in it).

Agreed, Kristen is a great actress, and she's gotten better since then, even being nominated for an Oscar for "Diana!"

Yes! His enthusiasm is so adorable!

Michael Sheen probably knew how goofy this material was and just decided to run with it.

He’s the single best thing about these movies. He is just living it up, clearly knowing he’s in a shit-movie, so decided to go balls-to-the-wall ham.

Nick Cage basically

His daughter was a fan of the books and he wanted to be in a film she'd watch. He got his poster on her wall for his troubles. Leading up to the casting, fans wanted Ben Barnes to play Aro (idk why), but Sheen embodied the character and easily won everybody over.

it is scary how many people come without realising how dangerous it is when done wrong.

@@iKadaj Haha. Indeed. I could have worded that better.

OUCH O_q

I was SHOCKED when I heard what these people go through for movies and photo shoots!!! They’re not just training hard, they’re doing things like intentionally dehydrating themselves by drinking red wine while shooting to make them look more defined! Oh and that red wine they’re drinking, it’s on an empty stomach, because on shoot days they don’t eat to make sure their abs are flat and waist is defined. It’s dangerous and has lasting affects on their health. That’s not even touching on the steroids…

Also, the fact he was 16 during the filming.

If someone told me "You're gonna play an ancient Italian vampire watching a forbidden human-vampire romance," I would ABSOLUTELY have as much fun with it as possible

They probably thought "This is complete shit so let's have fun with it."

“The human personification of dust” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

They all collectively said “this is going to be so fucking stupid. I’m in.”

@@DearxMyxSongs I mean, if that's not a perfect description of Marcus, idk what is

Very scummy.

Its sad how she's approaching this situation with complete disregard and disrespect.

@@kaydenvega4635 And I met a commenter who's apparently from that tribe who had the nerve to tell me that it actually benefited them. They were an ass to me, so I didn't bother to answer, but I wish he would have watched those videos

I don’t think there’s necessarily a financial payment that needs to go along with using a culture in books (especially considering the vast majority of books will never make much money, it’s not like the typical unknown author would have the money to write checks, which would lead to a decrease in diversity in books), but it needs to be done with the utmost of respect, rather than treating them like stereotypes where the chief can’t afford shoes for his kid and sacred rituals are on lawn chairs around a fire for the entertainment of a white girl. Worse, IRL. fans traipsing all over their land caused a lot of damage, and then those fans went and bought shit in Forks, leaving the tribal people to foot the bills to repair the damage, and never once did Meyer stop to tell fans to know that shit out and show some respect. She herself has no respect. She’s so racist.

I definitely agree that it's not necessary in general to compensate, but also? a huge dick move, considering how much money SMeyer has made from these books, and how the Quileute fundraiser is Right There, providing a convenient place to donate money to benefit the whole tribe, to just...act like they don't exist.

Meyer leaving page after page blank aside from the month - I genuinely thought it was a fantastic writing choice, and I still do

Talk about a very good way to represent depression. The book did a great job and the film captured it very well, too. One of the few positive things I'll say about both the book and the movie.

As someone with chronic depression.. I honestly feel it captures the feeling of depression quite accurately. Now, unfortunately or fortunately (whichever you wanna believe), my depression has never and will never be cured by my one true love returning to me lol. My bf certainly does shine a light in the darkness but depression, at least for someone like me who will most likely be stuck with it for life.. it doesn't go away that fast and certainly not forever. It comes and goes in waves regardless of what's happening in life. Honestly I've got gaps in my memory where I can't remember some months or years (especially from years ago where it lasted ten years) I end up mixing things up because at the time I was very much stuck in that time loop type state. I can't recall anything specific happening and I don't remember what month it is sometimes unless there was a major holiday and even then... its iffy. It's definitely gotten better but I still have weeks or months where it comes back and time just... slips away from me

Great adaptation for the film, but this was still used in-book to prove Bella’s love is so much stronger than the love anyone else can have for anyone else. It’s only a problem to Charlie, who is treated like he needs to settle down.

And the Lykke Li song just killed in that scene! I remember reading those four pages for the first time and having such a strong emotional reaction.

I don't know what's wrong with people, are they really that stupid or do they enjoy being careless and racist? I'm French so I'm faaaaaaar away from knowing anything about Native American's culture, but the first thing I've learned from movies and old boy-scout books is that Native American tribes all have different names. So it's a very logical thing to think that means they are all different with different traditions, like regional cultures in my tiny country… People should use their brain more often. And also cast appropriate people for a given role. With all the resources nowadays it's just a matter of will to find a suitable actor or actress for a role.

To be fair they aren't real Americans to begin with.

@@idontexist1966 yeah you're right you probably shouldn't exist

As a fellow Native Canadian I agree with you. I’ve never read or watched Twilight until this year but holy shit Stephanie Meyer got so many things wrong and it’s clear she didn’t do any research just probably fantasized about what we’re like as a people. She’s so insulting and racist in her books but the thing is I don’t think she realizes it. I genuinely don’t think she realized a lot of the harmful things she wrote and put out there into the world.

He's also using some of his ad revenue to raise money to help the Quillettes relocate due to global warming. Good guy.

@@Jenifer_R_ That's also great!

@Jenifer R. I didn’t know that! It’s called ‘Quillute move to higher ground’ and is for moving their cultural center from a location close to erosion to someplace more stable.

*for anyone that is interested

@@gateauxq4604 I think 'Amanda The Jedi' also donates some of her ad revenue. You thought Dom was critical?!! Her Twilight revue series is fun to watch.

Damn poor guy.

He had to carry around a bag of hamburger patties and eat two of them at regular intervals to maintain the physique.

Some American retail company must have made some serious dough out of supplying that pack...

Meyer has interesting little tit bits like that, that if they were filtered, could make for a really interesting take on vampires and werewolves

The problem with that is that she's an asshole. She might not be as bad as Erika Mitchell but Meyers was very resistant to any form of editing and she genuinely saw nothing wrong with her culture erasure of the Quiliute, the constant emotional abuse, and the fact that she accidentally wrote Bella and Sparkles as sociopaths. She also didn't seem to realize when she turned into a horror writer. I get that some of it is due to how fucked up conservative Mormonism is but still.

She’s rich enough. I hope she just retires completely now.

I think she'd do good at writing choose your own adventure books. I mean Bella is basically a "insert yourself" blank slate character, at least in my eyes.

I think the problem with her writing is her core system of beliefs, not her prose... I only lasted through the first book but I remember being disgusted with the obsession the characters displayed towards one another and the fact that it was glorified in the book rather than just being bored by Bella the description of laying in the grass reading a book..

Her Writing style is good for exactly what it is. Questionable fan fiction, It's just somehow she got to turn questionable fan fiction into a profitable franchise without actually improving any of the writing past questionable fan fiction. Which yes, in an extra twist, makes 50 Shades of Grey bad fanfiction of Questionable Fan Fiction that just happened to get the same treatment.

it also tries to make it seem like getting back together heals her instantly. Being in a relationship doesn't stop depression and doesn't protect from having it

Oh well both Bella and Edward are have very unhealthy amount of codependency level

Same haha. I remember my friends going crazy over Jacob and all I can think was "Is it weird that I feel so indifferent?"

I read all the books because a friend was a fan, and read them all in a week in English*. I... Honestly don't remember much... I'm aroace, so I skipped all the romance parts... So I was left with something very bland and boring. If anything, it was just irritating due to the vampires and werewolves not being very interesting and the whole thing giving me bad feelings. *English isn't my first language. One of my cousins later reading the first in English in a week, but for some reason gave me the local translation for my birthday looking like it had been read..!

I'm ace too. Watching this movie in my late 20s was the first time I'd felt things (realising they are teenagers makes it pretty gross), did not realise other people felt things all the time. Didn’t recall this till recently when I realised I'm ace.

What was creepy was middle aged women thirsting over underage teen Taylor Lautner.

I was in my mid-20s at the time and I was SO annoyed by my friends that were freaking out over Robert and Taylor. I had a difficult pregnancy that year, and spent a lot of time on bed rest, so I read all 4 books. I did not get the appeal at all. A friend tried to get me to watch those first two movies and I still didn’t get the appeal. I was married with a baby and hadn’t realized yet that I was demisexual, lol. I had always just described it that all my friends were boy/girl-crazy and I wasn’t. As a teen, I can remember my friends saying the only good part about football is the pants show off the guys’ butts. I was so confused, like “why would you want to see a guy’s butt? How can a butt be ‘cute’?” But with the Twilight thing it was weird. Women my age and older were drooling over teenage boys. They’d talk about how gross it was if their husbands/boyfriends talked about how attractive Emma Watson is, then turn around and squeal over Taylor Lautner, who’s 2 years younger than her. It just seemed gross to me.

Sadly, he wasn't waiting for Alice to tell him she was alive, just assumed since she couldn't see her anymore.

Usually I can excuse characters dropping their brain cells, but Edward is like hundreds of years old. He really ought to know better.

In the movie, Jacob said that Charlie was arranging a funeral, not at a funeral. I can't remember if this is the same line in the novel.

I think in the book it was actually Rosalie's fault, as she relied Alice's vision to Edward and didn't mention Alice going to Forks to check it, so he thought it's 100% certain.

@@AnnaEmilka Yeah, Rosalie tells Edward that Alice saw Bella yeet herself off a cliff and then couldn't see her after that. He calls the Swan house in a panic and when Jacob says that Charlie is arranging a funeral, he (understandably) assumes that funeral is for Bella.

It was like Edward took his shirt off and every teenage girl in the world was disappointed.

@@Jenifer_R_ Well he's Batman now, so I'm sure he's got the prerequisite superhero bod.

That sounds better than me having gone with my niece (more like forced), and glared at by about 100 girl-preteens for going "ugh" when Jacob took his shirt off. That was terrifying.

@@FadzaiSimango I know. I remember reading an interview with him a good decade (plus) ago where he was resigning himself to the fact that he was English, and he would never have a superhero bod!! Then I hear, most recently, that he is counting sips of water among carbs and calories on the set of Batman between takes. I prefer Robert-Au-Natural.

"wolf whistling" nice

I agree with the Weitz part. The studio was the main villain, he only had a small part as a result from the studios decision.

Dude seems to have an unfortunate habit of studios screwing with his movies - Rogue One was tampered with, too, and ended up taking what could have been a fantastic war movie into something,…less.

I still think Rouge One is good, but it definitely could have been better. What did the film look like before Disney got their hands on it? I’m curious if anyone knows.

@@ineednochannelyoutube2651 they recut and reshot the conclusion - some of the details of how people died changed, the pacing was different. (Which also explains why there are just oodles of continuity errors.) There must be videos on RU-vid about it,…

@@khills Thanks for responding! I'll look around.

Yeah, the weight gain/loss regiment culture among Hollywood actors is a fucking labyrinth of self-abuse.

You might be surprised to learn that that's not actually all that uncommon among actors. Putting your physical and mental health at risk is pretty common, specifically among stage actors where those things can't be faked as easily. And from my experience, it is really hard, nigh impossible in a lot of cases, to convince them how bad of an idea it is.

@@PlayerZeroStart It's not necessarily surprising to me, but Dom mentioning it in his video brought the memory back up and also I find it particularly egregious considering Lautner, unlike most actors we see getting super shredded for a role, was only 16/17 at the time and thus literally a child.

Oddly enough I also started reading the books after the movie came out when I was ten...but I feel that even though I was a massive bookworm I really should have realized they weren't that great. That stuff about Taylor Lautner working way too hard is horrifying, I only ever heard about him working hard to stay Jacob, not about him going too far to that point that his trainer had to step in.

Christian bale did a similar thing in the machinist dropping an obscene amount of kgs for that role. 😔

He'll think "I was reading her mind all along. There's just nothing in here."

If Eddy could read her mind he would be just as bored by her that he is everyone else.

I wish someone would write that and to add salt to the wound, have him run off with that blonde vampire Bella was jealous of or even the dad. Whichever is funnier.

I think even without mind reading, Edward was able to see what a petty judgemental bitch Bella could be when he saw her asking Jacob to kiss her the day after she agreed to marry him. Probably being it didn't matter... he was already in love with her by then.

@@noelbernabe8704 I’m a little spotty but didn’t she only do that because Jacob threatened to kill himself via the battle if she didn’t?

Not just *any* Music though, iirc. ALL Music. Which seems kinda ridiculous.

If she ripped it out with her bare hands and fingernails, as Meyer said, then she’d have been institutionalized. That would have caused so much physical damage to her hands, tearing nails and skin off, that there’d be no option but to institutionalize her for a while.

@@johannesseyfried7933 I get it - I hate music when depressed

@@bub4522 Yeah, this is disturbingly relatable.

Considering how it happens in other IPs “Grey, WHERE ARE YOUR CLOTHES??” XD

Same! XD I both love Twilight and love trashing on it. As long as it's actual criticism and not just bashing with zero arguments, it's all good.

This is the way

Yes! Even when I was a teen and super into those books, I thought that New Moon is the most boring one

It’s a novel length world building exercise.

@@jbcatz5 This is the perfect way to describe the book.

It could be described with a quote from game reviewing RU-vidr called Ben “Yahtzee” Croshaw: “it’s a lot like driving to Alice Springs: a whole lot of effort to end up fucking nowhere.”

A couple key things do occur in New Moon. Even though Bella and Edward get back together, Bella does end up falling in love (to some degree) with Jacob too. That's something that likely could not have occured had Edward not left. And Jacob being a rival for Edward does effect the story moving foreward. The second thing which leaves a huge impact is Edward exposing the Cullens to the Volturi. That creates a sort of danger lingering in the background for the remainer of the series until the end. Overall, New Moon established the love triangle (which as trivial as that may be to most of us likely earned the Twilight franchise millions of dollars) as well as setting up the series ultimate big bad. So it had a pretty big effect on the franchise moving foreward.

Possibly, or maybe Victoria would have found both her and the Cullens gone and believed they had removed Bella from her reach

alas in another world; possibly the multiverse this happens

@@StarryEyed0590 If James was able to find Renee's house without relying on his gift, I don't think it would've taken Victoria much to search Bella's family properties.

@@BrandonVout I don't remember all the details of how James found Bella (it's been a decade since I read those books, and I don't care to repeat the experience), but tracking people was his Thing, so I imagine he was pretty good at using all different ways to do it. Didn't he also find Bella's OLD home? Didn't Renee move with her new husband? I don't doubt, given enough time and determination, Victoria could find Bella. I just think there's a good chance she would assume Bella moved with the Cullens and either attempt to track and move against them, at which point the Cullens would almost certainly figure out she's after Bella before Victoria had a chance to correct her mistake and re-calibrate, or decide she was outmatched by the Cullen coven and take revenge by idk killing Charlie or something. (Which would have been extremely tragic)

@@StarryEyed0590 He did find her old home but it wouldn't have taken much to find where she moved to (paper trail, "talking" with her old co-workers, etc.) if he hadn't come up with his recording bait plan. Victoria was cautious, I think she would've exhausted all of her options to find Bella before trying to go after the Cullens directly.

Polish a turd, it's still a turd.

Maybe I was just too much in need of escapist romance 💜 with a beleaguered, codependent, introverted girl and smoldering, intense, guilt ravaged guy to notice the problems & the problematic when I read it, but I throughly enjoyed the first novel. And, as I just wrote on the main thread, I thought the otherwise very talented Catherine Hardwick didn't do a very good job adapting it. 😔 I thought the 2nd and 3rd movies were way too melodramatic. In my mind only the 2 Breaking Dawn movies were actually properly directed, by Bill Condon. 🥰 So I've only read the 1st novel, thus I can't have opinions about the other 3 novels. But again my opinion about the movies is that only the 4th and 5th were in any way like the universe of the book. The mistakes in adaptation in the first three were perhaps subtle (most subtle with Hardwick at the helm of movie #1), but bad enough that they really took me out of it. I've learned to enjoy those movies as guilty pleasures, but they don't please and satisfy me the way that the 1st novel did or the way that the two halves the Breaking Dawn movie do. 😋💐⚘

@@catandrobbyflores id say more like removing some shit and adding spices to a shit soup may make it taste less shit but at the end of the day your still eating shit

@@judeannethecandorchannel2153 I consider the first movie the strongest, in that it has a distinct tone and style and is earnest about itself in a way most of the other movies aren't. Also, the first movie has most of the best-executed scenes of the series, like the introduction of the Cullens in the cafeteria or the famous baseball scene. I like the third movie for giving a good amount of focus to a good amount of characters (especially since I never particularly cared about Bella or Edward, so much as the other Cullens and the wolves and the Volturi, etc.). I enjoyed the books, though the first was never my favorite. And to be fair, I think there are demographic factors in how much of the problematic stuff one notices. A black person (or someone with enough knowledge of American history to know what the Confederacy is) is more likely to notice problems with Jasper's backstory, etc. And the more glaring faults don't show up in the first book. When I read that one, my only initial query was how she could possibly enjoy any kind of physical affection with someone with cold and inflexible skin. Which I still find to be kind of a weakness of the worldbuilding. SO many people care about the sparkles; I don't care about the sparkles; I care that the Denalis are vampire women having recreational relations with human men, and their whole bodies are made of vampire skin.

I'm guessing that its easier to adapt a mediocre/bad book with a pretty simple and straightforward story faithfully than complex stories with rich themes. In the case of Twilight it benefits from trimming internal monologues and extraneous bs, so even if you cut out the fluff the story is still completely itself. With other more well thought out stories, cutting certain seemingly irrelevant characters or events can have terrible ripple effects that bring down the whole thing, let alone sequences that might not work in a visual medium or are too hard to translate to screen. It also requires the people adapting it to understand the core themes of the original work, which again is easier if they aren't super complex, like Twilight.

Considering how many times Kon is seen carrying Tim around during the Red Robin series, your theory just planted a hilarious image in my head.

@@MsCassidy23 Well, I don’t much about Superboy, as I didn’t even know of his real name until now. I just thought about how cool Lautner would look wearing the signature black shirt with the red Superman crest as he kinda looks like Superboy in my opinion. Although, that mention about Kon and Tim was a bit of a surprise when I looked that up as it was just as surprising as the time when I initially looked up the term palletshipping.

@@johnnyd3158 🤣Yeah, Lautner would have looked cool as Superboy. There are so many different takes on the character, I wonder if he would fit the retro 90's version as well.

Twilight was a metaphorical knife to the heart of his career.

@@Xehanort10 You know your acting career has sunk so low when you’ve starred in Grown Ups 2, lol.

Watch "Because you seem to have forgotten your password, but fear not!" Be the ending to the next video, you have but yourself to blame 😝

Hope you feel better soon

@@Dominic-Noble Thanks mate :)

I have discovered his calming voice and use it as a form of medication when necessary.

@@MelaniePoparad That's a bit funny. I remember the Dom started taking a more soft spoken aproach in his reviews because it really put a strain in his voice. So it's nice to hear people really apreciate this aspect of his content. Plus it also helps differentiate and distance himself from some other reviewers whose names we will not say.

@@wab2100 SAY THE NAMES!

KStew is pretty fantastic, too - pretty much a bunch of great actors with a bad script and one assumes good paycheck.

I would pick Good Time over those two performandes, that one remains his best imo to date.

@@samf.s.7731 Great example of his skill! I'd forgotten that one just because there's no trace of the actor there, just the character, which is a bona fide testament to talent.

His Batman in The Batman is great too.

D, a competent actor

@@Jenifer_R_ Burn!!

The thing is Jacob IS younger than everyone else. He's like 16. Sure, when he phases he gets bigger and looks older. But in the first movie at least the casting was pretty spot on. Unless they recast Jacob later (and from what I understand they thoght about it), getting a guy who resembled Twlight Jacob and having him bulk up for his New Moon transformation was all they could really do.

I think that's one of the changes which are often make when you translate something to the big screen. THe bad guys need to be more threatening. There needs to be more action. Breaking Dawn 2 is where we see the difference the most. You want higher stakes, bigger threats, and more butt kicking because a certain portion of the movie audience will be bored without it. And I still think they mostly got Aro right. He was threatening and scary, but you can see he didn't want to kill anyone and was waiting for ANY excuse to let them off the hook because he didn't want them dead. He wanted their power. So even with the subltle changes I think the book was overall represented pretty well in this regard. Overall I think New Moon is one f the more accurate book translations out there.

Man, morally grey vampires seizing power to keep their more savage brethren in check sounds so interesting. If only they weren’t the same group regularly abducting and feasting on tourists.

Have you seen the deleted scenes? They have a couple heartwarming scenes between Charlie and bella

Because Meyers' culture doesn't believe mental illness is real and that a woman's role is complete dependence on her man.

I think the fact she keeps trying to hallucinate Edward through near suicide makes her more insane than heartbroken.

If I remember right, and it's been a while since I read the books/watched the movies, he did originaly try to help her by waking her from her nightmares to calm her down. But after a while he just kind of gave up. While never directly stated why, I asume it was becouse he was overwhelmed and just accepted it as the new "normal" every night. He did also try to encourage her multiple times to hang out with friends. But when you are a single parent and your child shuts down completely, I can understand not knowing what to do and how to help them. So him trying to send her back to her mom also makes sense.

I always got the feeling that he is just overwhelmed and out of his depth

Her treatment of Leah is appalling, and fan-reaction to Rosalie is appalling. Rose has a damned good point, and both of these characters deserved better.

Poor Leah, the only girl in a boys club and being part of a sort of gestalt or shared mind with teenage boys. Alice and Esme are probably the only female characters not called Bella who aren’t treated badly. Jessica is painted as in the wrong for being upset Bella used tough looking bikers to get an adrenaline rush for her Edward fix and for being an alibi so Bella won’t have to deal with Charlie, and Angela has the presence of “oh yeah, she exists”. In fact, if you’re human and stay human, and present a valid point that conflicts with the interests of Bella you’ll be treated as the bad guy in the situation.

Harry Clearwater. The man so sexist he died of a heart attack after finding out that "gasp" there was a woman werewolf.

@@jbcatz5 Bella's a Mary Sue that's why.

@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria Though Rose made a descent point, I think she was also terribly short sighted. If Bella stays human, the Volturi will likely kill them all. Edwards trip to Italy makes this a bigger issue than just Bella. But I think her own issues clouded Rose to the bigger picture.

Oh that's something to consider. Of course, Meyer didn't do much with it. That seems to be a theme with her. I think she got popular way too fast.

That makes so much sense, great theory!

Yep, I thought that he'd done an episode on "New Moon" already, but it was just the book review.

He did. He’s looking newly at Twilight series to see if his opinions have changed.

Yeah I think when he initially started the Twilight series due to realising that his initial hatred was for superficial reasons of it being popular to do so and the widespread belief that nothing teenage girls like can be good he intended to do the adaptation reviews soon after It’s just that the books filled him with such new and legitimate rage and hatred for the series that he needed an extensive break before forcing himself to watch the movies and re-familiarise himself with the books

@@jonasquinn7977 Thanks for the explanation - I was getting serious deja vu there!

Michael Sheen :) Unless you are doing a Staged ref where Martin and Michael keep getting confused for each other.

@@MsWillowbayOrelse Fuuuuucccckkkk. I _always_ do this. Thank you lol

@@MsWillowbayOrelse I also always call Michael Reeves (the science dude) "Christopher Reeves." I have a problem, clearly XD

@@Arcanist_Gaming Nps :)

I agree with some commenters earlier who said that her writing would have been better suited for TV. We got Vampire Diaries and things like the later seasons of Teen Wolf or the new version of Charmed, I would have hated less a Twilight-like series written by her than a full set of books and movies… The badness would have been diluted into the corny-ness of teen TV dramas.

I don't know much about Discworld but I enjoyed the Hogfather movie very much, made me want to read the whole series, that I suspect is better. Now, if I could find time…

Those of us who tried were called “haters” and told we were sexist against teen girls. I was one of the few who spoke up VERY hard, and was making a name for myself. I had to ditch my then-penname to get away from how bad it got. People speaking up where out there, just usually bullied and harassed into silence.

@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria Society in general loves to 'hate' on teen girls and what they like. Dom admitted he was one of those people, which I respect.

Your dad is great. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Your adult parents went to see a movie whose primary target audience is teen girls?! My man, I don't think that movie is what's bad here... I mean, it is bad, but can't hold a candle to your parents' thought process that night. Sorry bro!

@@samf.s.7731 it's what the kids call "curiosity" and boy did it backfire

@@samf.s.7731 If we all thought like that, then only kids would have seen Harry Potter and the entire MCU could only be seen by 30 year old men who live in their parent's basement.

Where is that clip from? Is it a parody film?

Yes! I keep going to look for them because I want them in a playlist!

Saying I "dragged" you feels a little unfair sis XD

I initially thought Edward was a jerk for removing all reminders of him before leaaving, but after seeing her reaction to the car radio I guess he sort of had a point.

In part it's because no one in the room actually agrees with her. Edward runs back in the room when Bella suggests that they turn her into a vampire immediately. And even though most of the Cullens support the idea of changing her, I don't think any of them necessariy wanted to do it at that second. In hindsight Bella herself would probably have more regrets if she got her way, rather than spending at least a little more time as a human before turning. For all the justifiable criticism Edward gets for being so controlling, I think we have to equally point out that SOMETIMES Edward is actually right in pulling Bella back a bit. SOMETIMES.

@@noelbernabe8704 In no way was it a good idea for her to change right then and there but that's beside the point. He'd already left the room and violently smashed something when he was outvoted, running back in and screaming in her face whether she had a stupid idea or not is absolutely abusive behaviour. No one pulled him up on it, told him to back off or go cool off or anything. You can disagree with someone without caging them in with your body and screaming at them

Edward’s character in a nutshell.

Yes,thank you!!!

I was going to write this, almost word for word. Ashamed of my knowledge and all. Edwards even makes a comment later and fixes it so Emmett never finds out and can’t get his feeling hurt. (If i recall correctly) Thank you.

No, I remember this part of the books quite clearly since this was one of the few things Bella had left from Edward and she was devastated when he took the radio when he left. It's one of the first things she notices is gone when the Cullens leave and she is really upset about it. Emmett installs the radio and Edward takes it and even talks about hiding it under one of Bella's floorboards in, I think, Eclipse. But if I am wrong, then I am wrong. Someone who has read the books more recently than like 10+ years ago feel free to correct me since I'm like 90% sure this is what happens.

@@kraziiXIII I literally read it two weeks ago and I hate you for making me admit that.

@@kraziiXIII I think you’re remembering the CD with her lullaby on it, cause Bella actually injured her hands removing the radio.

@@0FynnFish0 oof, well it is a cultural touchstone, at least? However it is strange that both Dom and I remember reading it the same way. Maybe it's a Mandela Effect?