@prgrant 6669 @not trying to be annoying but may come off as so, but you mean effective meaning successful in producing a desired or intended result. As opposed to affective which means relating to moods, feelings, and attitudes. I have no idea why i went to these lengths to correct you have a nice day
Gonna be honest... The exact moment she said 'I think most of you gamers are just white supremacist.' I immediately mentally said 'You don't belong on the Council.' This is not the state of mind a person should be in when making decisions for rules and policies for a platform. Especially when gamers are a huge portion of Twitch.
She's not helping black people/PoC either, because people like her make people think black people are all delusional, when in reality it's just the people that somehow spend 25 hours a day on twitter
@@Dream-dm4wn Why stop at God? Why not God-Emperor? Someone has to sit on the Golden Throne and be known as The Emperor of Mankind, "God-Emperor," and the "Master of Mankind."
the real issue is that moderators need to be held accountable for their actions, if they wrongfully ban someone there needs to be consequences. The fact that this council is immune to bans and stuff is completely backwards.
I know I’m coming back to this late but as a Black male gamer it legitimately pisses me off that she thinks that we need to be protected by removing voice chat, like we aren’t aware of how we’re treated by certain groups of people in our daily lives. I live in North Carolina it’s fairly mild in my experience when it comes to racially bigoted behavior but it still happens, and we know how to deal with it. Most of our parents raised us teaching us how to deal with racists or toxic people in general. It makes me think she has this “white savior” complex and she thinks she needs to “save the minorities” when in reality most of us hit the mute button and never think about that person again.
@@dannyfenton9529 Dude you have no idea how annoying that shit is. Like I understand being an ally and helping out but some people just act like were helpless.
@@dannyfenton9529 dude facts like whenever I hear an sjw u know standing up for minorities and acting like their helpless it sounds like those types of people project their own brand of racism towards others especially people like her saying shit about white supremecy yet flaunts and brandished her power over twitch and her chat and even promotes censor ship of voice chats. Which by her ownogic makes her a white supremacist
i get ur point, and i dont know the 100% context of the clip, but i assumed she meant "marginalized" as in trans people. i've met a lot of trans people who HATE voice chat because they've been legit bullied because they have a masculine or feminine voice while having a stereotypically female or male username, or something. i had to comfort my friend because people she was in an among us server with were calling her a faggot because her user was her chosen name ingame, while her voice sounded male. i'm a trans person who hates voice chat for that reason :p but yeah, i don't think voice chat should be removed all together and i hate how some people pretend like POC are defenseless sensitive babies.
@@adrianmartinez8125 You can disagree with her, I do as well, but intentionally going out of your way to call her a "dude", and basically attack her because she's trans speaks more about you than it does about her.
@@FDT222 I mean if you smoke forty packs of cigarettes you can sound like a ghoul from fallout so really it's super easy to get a new voice if you're willing to fuck your lungs.
His head is so leveled he IS a level. I feel perfectly confident in a choice like that. By god he would know exactly how to handle it without any issues.
@@hellenicboi14 My opinion: Someone who deserves respect gets the correct pronouns said to them. If they have a dick. But want to be a girl and are RESPECTABLE. Then ima call them she. However, people who aren't respectable don't deserve respect. So I say He.
@@shellshockedbros4458 Conflicting opinion: You are what you are born as, and I will never refer to you as anything else, as that is simply feeding delusion.
That reminds me of Mordhau. If you showed someone without context the Mordhau chat and a 4chan message board , they wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
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Oh baby you need to see "Wargame: Red Dragon" chat Something nazi related within 10 minutes guaranteed or your money back Seriously I adore that chat, it's funny and interesting every time me and a few buds decide to launch it and play a good game
Isn't it odd a Safety Council member, designed to be a transparent and relatable front for the Twitch community, is doing the exact thing the council is supposed to stop? Corrupt, abusive, and drama-prone streamers should not be showing the public how advantangerous or potentially easily abused the new council is. They should remove her immedietally just as a show to everyone: Hey, we aren't letting BS like this pass as acceptable. Or else they just teach us Twitch doesn't actually care and this council thing is just a show for us.
_Corrupt, abusive, and drama-prone streamers should not be showing the public how advantageous or potentially easily abused the new council is._ See, you think this is about sense. Twitch isn't stupid, they know exactly what they are doing, and if it was money motivated, they wouldn't be doing this shit. This is about destroying your home and burning everything to the ground, because gaming culture is harder to penetrate after years of being allowed to run wild ideologically. Steph is a disgusting pervert, and that's exactly what they want to force you to tolerate. It destroys your will.
_Isn't it odd a Safety Council member, designed to be a transparent and relatable front for the Twitch community, is doing the exact thing the council is supposed to stop?_ No. The "safety council" is working as intended.
"Sexist transphobic amazon subsidiary marginalizes first popular trans streamer and removes them from community outreach program"-New York times or some other shitty news site I feel like the whole point of this council was to earn brownie points and not actually resolve anything
@@larrisAWSOME see, it doesn't matter if you, and literally every single user on twitch hates this idiot. They have an entire industry that this is a small cog in, and regardless of the actual results, they will receive awards and positive attention from other parts in this machine, allowing them to present the narrative that not only is everything fine, but that this entire charade is stunning and brave. Twitch doesn't work for money, anymore, its currency is influence, which makes sense when you consider that it owns the entire market share for streaming video games, and has no other way to expand but politically. If twitch becomes a better or worse service, there's still nowhere for twitch to go, so now they curry political favors that will entrench them forever.
Just ignore them, being called racist is meaningless at this point. Everything is racist. Rice is white, if you eat it you're racist! If it snows, the sky is racist!!
The Beard Aficionado An Order from Star Wars that gets sent to and forces all the soldiers on the good side to turn on their Jedi generals that most of them have fought alongside with for years and kill them
There's a reason that that happens. People want to focus in on those members of a community that validate their preconceived notions about it, no matter how non-representative those people are, so those are the people they remember and end up publicizing/amplifying, intentionally or not.
It's honestly why I at times try to distance myself from the community as a whole. I don't wanna be labeled as a "power hungry man hating cunt" or a hypocrite, or a pedo or some shit just because 1 person once upon a time said they're trans and also did something bad.
theory: If twitch removes that thing from the team it’s probably gonna call them transphobic, supremist etc *edited* yall need to calm down it’s like a war down in this comment section
And it'll be well deserved. Silicon Valley is full of companies that fired diversity hires that turned out to be completely crazy, and they accused the companies of being bigots. They hired this crazy dude to play the victim against critics, but he'll do the same to Twitch the second something doesn't go his way.
@@팈탘-n3l To us whites, plain noodles are overwhelmingly tasty. If we add anything, we risk overstimulation. I typically start my day with white bread in milk just to play it safe.
she literally said in a Clip, “i have power now and i have alot of people scared and im guna come for them and theres nothing Twitch can do to me” if thats not power hungry i dont know what is, thats making Twitch look bad and This whole council a stupid decision.
@@iamdribz4456 just bc you dont like someone that doesnt give you an excuse to be a bigot, charlie used the correct pronouns as is almost everyone else who talks abt her. but what else should i expect from an anime pfp who cant even form a coherent sentence
The fact that she's bragging that she can't be banned and she can do whatever she wants because she's in a position of power now is the dumbest thing. The fact that she's in a position like that she should be held to an even higher standard than the rest of Twitch and therefore she should be more likely to be punished for dumb shit like this.
I think it’s funny, people like her always complain that “white men” never get punished because they are in a “position of power”. But as soon as she gets a position of power she starts bragging about how she can’t be punished.
I totally agree, thats how it "should be" in pretty much any system with positions of power/rank/promotion. Sadly however we live in a nation that is entirely and stupidly under the impression that getting higher in those tiers means being immune to the standards that normal people face. "The law for thee but not for me" has been the deciding attitude from game CEOs, Republican leaders, police, military officers (seriously ask any Marine about how much stuff their CO never reported because they knew it would hurt their image as a CO.) and managers at stores and restaurants. Basically, we live in world where "Who is going to stop me?" is the deciding attitude for people currently. When people with no desire to ever hold themselves or others accountable and promote nepotism and ego trips, society goes downhill. (Insert comments about using the DOJ to hide personal corruption and pardoning political simps here.)
The biggest joke is the list of her qualifications. Stuff like "First streamer to use trans flag emote" and stuff. You know why people normally recognise "firsts?" Because they're hard. First person to break the minute mile etc. Just being the first person to come along to a venue and do something incredibly mundane that involves zero challenge isn't an achievement, let alone a qualification to be given a job with power over others. Imagine if a new cafe opens in your town, and the first gay person to walk through the door and eat a sandwich gets made manager of who's allowed into the store to eat sandwiches. Ridiculous.
I absolutely hate the idea that we have to “play nice” with people like this. There’s tolerance and acceptance sure, I’ve definitely felt like I’ve been an outcast or mistreated before, However this... person... is simply beyond the realm of normalcy. If life wasn’t nice wasn’t nice to me, it’s DEFINITELY not gonna be nice to her and neither am I. This is the type of people in power and if they want to throw stones, don’t throw them from glass fucking houses. The reality is the world isn’t a nice place, but a few jerks in voice chat isn’t gonna kill you. There are bigger problems in life, and the fact that something like this is viewed as “oppression” says a lot about how much ACTUAL privilege this weirdo has. They deserve every ounce of criticism they get.
Videos like this are why I really like the way you address controversy. You go after actual issues and don't stoop to unrelated insults. I'm sure many people talking about this would have talked about the deer thing, or misgendered her on purpose in order to hurt her. Sure you make jokes, but as you said they're harmless fun
Joe Olson you can point out the insanity that is thinking they’re a deer, but fuck off with the actual transphobia. This person is total weird and clearly isn’t fit for the position, but that isn’t because they’re trans.
@@uniquecopy3338 fuck yes my guy, thats the right take, i love how finally we can hate someone for who they are as a human being and not their race or gender or whatever, its so cool seeing people shit on her and still refer to her as a she, btw i know this comes off a not sarcastic but its not hahaha and fuck the guy who called her Kevin or whatever
@@uniquecopy3338 you're right about them being super weird, and definitely not fit for the job. But this whole controversy sparked two debates! One being with that of twitch staff, and the more controversial side debate of that of truth vs ideals being this "transgender". Now seeing as we all know that twitch is being ran by garbage lets go on to the *trans topic.* Now in my humble opinion i think this transgender stuff and everything under it's umbrella is complete bogus made by snowflakes who haven't read a human biology book. I also do say begone with the term transphobic as well because transgender people aren't any different from the rest of us in any certain way except for the way they act, dress, voice etc etc and all that. Unlike the people who like the same s#x, calling someone a homophobe for a justified reason is justified for you are attacking them for having a liking to that of their same gender, in which it's entirely okay to do since it hurts or tampers with nobody or anything. On the other hand transgender takes factual biological rules and even word definitions and flips it on their heads all for their ideology of being someone else and forces it down other people's throats. And if they don't conform to it their transphobic and automatically they're bigot scum on the face of the earth. 1.To put it simply *how you dress, act, voice, behave, and look doesn't translate to your actual gender.* Anyone can dress like you, and act like you. Attatching a special role to yourself doesn't make you anymore special from the common man and woman. When put into question it always leads to the person asking said questions being transphobic because god forbid try getting a logical conclusion. 2. S#x and gender is the same thing essentially. The gender is identified by the s#x chromosomes and the s#x chromosomes are male (XX) and female (XY), the s#x aka the gender of a person is of these 2 s#x chromosomes. You can't rip out the gender part and say it's now interchangeable just because u want it to be. It's not a social construct it's a hard fact. 3. Pronouns! Or to say *they/them*, I'll be honest i won't even bother calling people by their preferred pronoun no matter who they are. It messes up the basic dictionary terms for said words that have been that way for years. *They want to be validated and yet throws the he/she pronouns away just to be stand out and be different when they are honestly not any different from any other man or woman.* Honestly it feels as though we can't mesh together because of the simple thing of truth vs ideals. Other than that i have no hate for them nor do i dislike anyone who identify as trans for the people aren't really harming anyone. I just don't believe trans shouldn't be recognized as a gender for they are just another regular person who just wants to be someone else.
Literally nobody handles this topic as elegantly as you do. I really love how you put things, because you make ideas accessible for everyone, including people that may disagree with you because you don't use any divisive language. Hell yeah brother
@Tiger Tamer actual definition of "degenerate" could actually describe most of the twitch AND youtube. Also no, "white supremacists" as you call them are just as normal people as anyone else, they dont bark out in public because they know they will be harrassed (unlike people that claim white genocide to be a good thing) so...
The term 'cis-white-male-sounding voices' literally makes assumptions about one's identity. Edit: Changed gender to identity as the issue with the phrase isn't gender-exclusive.
@@c8h8e8c8k8m8e8o8u8t yeah wtf does a "white voice" sound like anyway, are we talking white middle america, white polish, white spanish, mexican, greek, canadian, aussie...
She acts as if shes better than non minorities for being trans like ......... girl, that isnt how it works- shes deadass just making us (the trans community) worse.
A comedian called Lewis Spears had a great stance on this in his video, he basically said if u want diversity you don't hire the first person who brings diversity you hire the best, he was much more crude but that was basically the jist
the thing is, white supremacy here denotes in fact any opinion she doesn't agree with. It's moving the goalpost to seem "no one can disagree with that !" but in fact it's totally a different thought behind it. Same with feminists with "if you're not with me, your against women" - Anakin. You'll also see people with anti-immigration views being labeled white supremacists when in fact, most countries in the world, aside of western ones, actually have strict immigration policies.
@@Gurdil95 It's a motte and bailey approach. The bailey is a defensible position like "people spreading white supremacy on Twitch are not welcome" implying that there are Klanbakes being livestreamed. Then when no one's looking they extend the definition of "white supremacy" to anyone who makes edgy jokes or has any sort of dissident views, which is the bailey. This plays out over and over again and is a rhythmic suffocation of free speech entirely.
He's waaaaay too much of a fence sitter now. I can't blame him since most of his income comes from Twitch since RU-vid sucks, but you'll notice he doesn't criticize Twitch or Twitch streamers anymore, even when they are being blatantly hypocritical. He's flat out deleted some of his videos mocking Twitch; there used to be this music compilation he made making fun of titty streamers that is now gone. I like Charlie but he would never say anything against the curve at this point for fear of losing his income which, again, I can't blame him for.
LoL was only fun when I was playing with friends, joining random games was so toxic because people get really pissy real easily and it's a total downer.
sad to say valorant isn't any diferent, was winning by a lot but i was still being shouted at by some toxic guy who treated casual like it was ranked, sweating his filthy ass off. Turns out they were just jealous i had bought a knife in the game. -_-
This literally brought tears to my eyes omg I'm so happy Charlie is a good guy. A lot of people I liked turned out to not be so great, and these videos and streams are what make me happy. So knowing firmly his beliefs on all this stuff as a lesbian and someone who has a big poc family, I'm just really happy idk
@@7ngel yep, once you know someone's transgender, you can automatically assume what their beliefs are. Legit every one of them thinks all white people are racists and nazis, and have no self-awareness. These people are sick
why would she say its just a fact if its just how she feels. shewent to say that her opinion was fact when it clearly wasnt so she tried saving it by saying that its a fact that she feels a way. this is annoying because it still comes off that she thinks what she is saying is more than just her opinion, she thinks its true.
@@syv6173 She's literally telling her this information to herself so she believes it more and more to fit her aspects. She doesn't care about anyone else unless they make a joke against LGBTQ's or says something that goes against her opinion, then goes on to call them out for being neonazi white supremacists. It's like debates don't exist..
People shouldn’t hire others for “diversity reasons”. This is an example. I could just go on twitch and claim to be a gay transgender and I’d have a much larger chance of the dictator of twitch
she literally holds no decision making power. Shes part of the advisory council "that will inform and guide" decisions made at twitch. She cant flip a switch and have all white males purged from twitch.
That kinda behaviour stirs the exact hatred she's so against. Calling a large percentage of a group something 99% of them are not a part of will create a distrust and dislike of her and the groups she's a part of. There is no greater way to create anti-anything's than to gaslight them.
Twitch: We made this Council to be the voice and opinions of streamers and viewers Everyone: Oh awesome....but we don't like this one person shes saying things no one agrees with Twitch: It really don't matter who we put on this council its just a fancy title they got no real power to change anything that matters
This Racist "FerociouslySteph" needs to step out of this. Imagine you are a billionaire company and hire someone like this to have major decisions in your website...
She also wants to ban voice chat, which i think is hilarious. As Charlie already said in the video, women face harassment much more which is undoubtly true, but honestly, literally EVERYONE does too. Shit, even me, a black dude gets called all kinds of stuff just because i talk, but thats just because its assholes who got nothing constructive to tell me, which i can easily use the mute button for. Saying "voice-chat doesnt bring in advantages" is really stupid.
I want mature, respectable faces running the show, not degenerate racists like FerociouslySteph. This has nothing to do with being trans either. I respect trans people that are capable of composing themselves respectfully, but this FerociouslySteph just reeks of bad taste.
chris stamos yes, that’s true, but the way they choose to say that says a lot about them. They could’ve said something like “I understand if you don’t feel that way, but that’s just my opinion” Instead, they apologize that YOU disagree with them, and then when they said that’s a fact of how I feel first, it seems like they’re trying to make that opinion valid and makes anyone disagreeing with them out as the problem, not them. Ending it with, “which is an opinion” just plants a seed that they’re a victim. Like you can’t hate on me for suppressing your opinion, because that’s just MY opinion. It’s like when you give someone advice and you end with, “but idk that’s just how I feel lol.” It accomplishes nothing but gives you an excuse for avoiding the consequences that might come from your statement. I could care less about what she said, even if I agreed with her, I would hate for her to be the representative for my beliefs, because that representation of your views is just so foul.
Bound4Earth I could care less of what she thinks, I just hate how she’s going about it. Some people just don’t deserve that type of power. I’m trusting that the rest of the board has common sense though. She’s likely just a loud minority. I trust that the group as a whole will get the right stuff done. Sometimes you need people hard on one side of a topic to get an actual discussion going
I was looking at more of Charlie's videos on my recommended, and I found it funny that I could tell which videos came before others because of the slight differences in his hair length.
