Its affiliation with the cesspit formerly known as G4 told me everything I needed to know about it. Beyond irredeemable. This merely confirms that fact.
You gotta love how ProJared tweeted a passionate defense of Jirard without even watching Karl or Mutahar. Wonder how he felt when that full Discord call came out and Jirard threw him under the bus.
@@puzzledotgamer5461 Jirard most likely yes and not sure about Jared. But as far as I know Jontron is actually still friends with the other Normal Boots guys even after leaving them
Calling Karl scummy for having an ad is some serious smooth brain shit. It’s also pretty sad the guy was trying to cope saying Karl shouldn’t bother responding to him, despite making a ludicrous claim that Karl is trying to squeeze money from this situation and saying Karls following is bigger than his so why bother responding to him in the first place. You can’t cry when the person you’re calling out actually comes and argues back, that’s not how the internet works.
Yeah him and like a billion other RU-vidrs. What a dumbsht take, indeed. A youtuber making a living off of RU-vid, how scandalous. Also let's just ignore embezzling charity funds for 9 years, this guy Karl's the real criminal coz he got a sponsor 🙃🤡
@@robinfire0772he was he was doing some small skits on RU-vid with his friends the comments got inundated with hate comments from or constant questions about leaving the completionist
Him threatening Karl with lawsuits is really funny when you know that Karl has been brawling with Billy Mitchell for God knows how many years now lmao.
this. why the hell would you challenge the ONE GUY known to deal and actively document MULTIPLE frivolous lawsuits(Todd Rogers, Billy Mitchell) to a frivolous lawsuit? jirard is either crazy insecure or just stupid
Also, Billy's lawsuit of defamation is not about charity fraud. Billy may narcist liar, but even he won't use his deceased family member to gain sympathy
I loved when Jirard was like "I'm against the racists! I'm one of the good people! I believe all The Correct Things! This isn't supposed to happen to the good people!"
Like why did Johntron get sucked into this? Wtf did he do other than express his opinions? That crowd absolutely believes that their beliefs dictate how good of a person you are.
Can’t stop laughing at the “But Karl took a sponsor!” People. He apologized for doing it and all of us who understand that things cost money went “it’s cool bro, keep up the good work and get that bread. You deserve it.”
He didn't apologize. He said, this is my job. It's how I support my wife and kid. They are more important to me than your feelings about RU-vidrs. I only wish he had taken a sponsor on all his videos, at times he doesnt because he doesn't want to offend people, but what he found is, they get offended anyway, so fuck em. Get paid for your work, Karl.
i love that one guy completely fucking ignoring the heaps of evidence that jirard committed charity fraud because "jirard is so nice to me though" somehow goes on for a massive fucking twitlonger about it
“This will likely not change until this situation is settled in court. Until then, we know nothing for certain” -Bonsai Pop Dude you don’t need a court to tell you that Jirard lied about the donations.
And it's not like court suddenly gives the rubber stamp of truthness to whether or not something happened just because it's taken "to court". PERSON 1: "He totally SA'd my little sister, I have the pictures!" PERSON 2: "Yeah but that could be a picture of anyone; I guess we won't know for sure until it goes to court!"
Especially when there could be some legal loopholes he can get through, the fact is he lied and committed charity fraud, whether the "court" finds it so or not is completely different, being legal doesn't mean being ethical or morally right
I can't believe this is a grown adult saying this as if he can't use his own critical thinking skills to be able to conclude with the available evidence that even if Jirard is legally off the hook and had no evil intentions, at the very minimum he still made a major fuck up that has actual damages done. I refuse to believe an adult can be so stupid and blind to what is happening
And yet... even with such an unfavourable ratio... that volume of remaining defenders is still egregious! I like to think a lot of those "likes" were spontaneous copes and have been ultimately swayed since then.
Remember: Dislikes are only displayed by a browser extension that collects its OWN dislikes. We have zero way of knowing the actual dislike numbers, only the numbers from the kinds of people that need to see dislikes of any kind (and who typically frequently use the dislike button themselves). The value is skewed. (that said it's not hard to imagine that the real value is any better for Jirard lmao)
I am not as fond of Sims either, never got the hype behind it, but I don't exactly hate it neither... Even then, guess I too am a high ranking Uncle Ruckus, Cheaty the Cheat Skate, and The Fraudulentionst XD.
Antdude made a statement that basically amounts to "I did not watch anyone's video and I defended my friend so back the fuck up" because that's really what his statement is because saying he didn't know means he didn't watch either one of the videos that were released when it first happened.
@@speinz9430 Yep, the statement where he shifts blame, does not actually apologize for insulting Karl and Muta, and says when he tweeted that the claims were false he actually meant some racist tweets he saw(if this was true he would have clarified this in the original tweet.). All of this instead of just apologizing for tweeting without watching the videos. If you think he actually cares he defended a con artist I have a bridge to sell you. He's a grifter with a fake smile, same as his friend the Completionist.
@@lightingmcqueen522 not the point. Point is they were mistaken and now look even dumber for blindly defending a scumbag. Stop trying to fight it with "wouldn't you do that for a friend?" Of course the answer is "yeah". Is that supposed to be some kind of own? Just take the L's.
@lightingmcqueen522 well most people would wait and see not fight battles on twitter like why did these fuckers even comment on the situation kinda nothing to do with them.
@@lightingmcqueen522no ofcourse not, being actually just is important listening to both sides and then deciding, telling your friend that he made a mistake and should apologize is being a good friend, defending him blindly is being a bad friend.
TheFamilyBovine is the type of the guy who leaves an empty box of Twinkies in the pantry and gets upset at someone else for that empty box being there. To quote Karl Jobst, "what an absolute buffoon."
He came to the circus and outclowned the clown car and mental gymnastics his way to the Ringleader. Ironic for a lolcow to name himself the family's cow.
Quite literally the perfect example of a guy making an idiotic statement and when he gets mocked for being a dumbass they pull the "Wow, so many triggered people. I'm taking a break." This is something you expect out of a comedy video.
Here's a short story: a roommate I lived with, someone I considered a friend, one day accused me of wronging him with no proof. And when I say "accused" I mean he talked to the landlord behind my back and got me kicked out. My best friend, who was best friends with him, didn't immediately come to my defense but he didn't take his the roommate's side either. Instead, he waited and heard me out just like he heard him out to get both sides of the story rather than adamantly defending either of us because he knew it was too serious yet vague of a situation to make a judgement call. I bring this up because this is an *actual* reasonable response to such events that can tear apart relationships in the blink of an eye. Normal people don't just throw their friends under the bus but normal people also don't just outright believe everything their friend says just because they said so. Its called common sense and when you no longer have the capacity for it, you should admit to your behavior and mistakes you make when you lose it. That's what is normal. All of these people are upset and embarrassed that they were made fools of for blindly believing Jirad. The funny thing is, all these hyper long responses and short worded deflections are proof on their own that despite all the time they were given to watch and review evidence against their friend, they still chose to blindly support him under the guise of "wait and see". Had the initial findings been super vague and unclear from the get go then I would understand the defense people mounted for Jirard but both Muta and Karl were very thorough right out the gate with receipts and details that left very little room for doubt. These people here may want to act like their actions were justified and reasonable but the truth is that they weren't. They actively ignored proof to protect their friend which NEVER ends up well in these controversies. I have no sympathy and no pity for any of them. They got played and instead of owning up to it, they try to desperately absolve themselves of their actions in a vain attempt to save face. Hmmmmm.... almost like someone else we all know
To be fair, it isn't impossible to fake receipts and details. Editing web pages and false web pages exist all the time while it taking 10 years for people to realize is suspicious. You can, through the inspect function, edit stuff like the text you wrote and take a screen shot. Scam sites have existed near identical to real sites. In the end Jirard is guilty, but people can and will go a long way to lie.
That's the whole thing though, waiting until you get evidence to make a statement, that's like literally what even Muta and Karl were doing, their first video was basically "hey this looks shady, but Jirard has a right to respond." If people who you don't agree with can have the respect to wait for evidence to come out before making accusations, then the least the defenders can do is backtrack when the evidence comes out.
When it's your friend, you want to defend them, especially when you been with them for years and the things being said against them is out of their character.
@@SuperSpeed21yeah. But there is difference between believing in your friend vs ignoring anything opposing your friend. It was a fact from day one that 600k+ was not get donated. In my opinion, A good friend and good person seek answers about that. I think many his friends and fans just wanted to put dirt on it and move on.
You just tweet "my bad, i'm sorry". But they have to keep their moral high ground and prevent their ego from taking a hit so we ended up with this long convoluted tweets.
It's easier to fool someone than it is to convince someone they've been fooled. No one wants to acknowledge, especially publicly, that they were fooled.
Some of the people who initially responded with their takes on Jirard and apologized for making rash judgments later are even. Except Bonsai Pop. He seemed to dig into his position when the mountain of evidence is presented to prove that he isn't a "kind" or "honest" person. He seems pretty content with Jirard and his actions.
Yeah that's parasocial dependency, Jirard said nice things to him and he met him once at a conference, and apparently he fell in love and got attached from that moment on. While Jirard doesn't even know he exists, It's just sad.
jirard: if they're gonna expose me, i will threaten them with possible lawsuits muta and karl: guess it's time to release the full call if he wants to play
@@Bowblax2 That's okay, I was making stupid takes, like Jirard's got some many skeletons coming out now, he must have Narnia in the back of his closet :P
I remember seeing Jirard's eShop video in my feed awhile ago and I sat there completely dumbfounded as to why anyone would make a video about buying them all for the sake of "preservation." For those not in the know, Nintendo's eShop security was pretty godawful up until the Switch (and it probably still is), and there were programs that let you rip just about any game from their servers provided you had the proper license, of which several people had already dumped the vast majority of, if not the entire catalog of both the Wii U and 3DS before the eShop's shuttering. The community had been on top of it since probably the Wii (the WiiWare archive is like 97% complete iirc). It shocked me how many rubes bought into his supposed act of charity when that money would have gone to much greater use archiving the PS3 and Vita's online libraries, of which only around 70% of what we know of is backed up, and the axe constantly looms over those platforms' heads.
I can actually comment here on this: There's a vast difference between the legal act of purchase and donating to an archival preservation society, versus skimming from the illegal rom sharing community. I do agree that those libraries would have been more useful, but the eShop was in the process of being axed, not just had the threat of the axe looming, so it also made for an excellent PR stunt on top of the legalistic differences.
Bro, why even throw ProJared and JonTron under the bus? I used to look up Beardman but now… now my heart just hurts. Yet another pillar of my teenage years has crumbled.
That one felt extra bad cuz Jared went 100% in with no hesitation to defend Jirard. Yeah his statements were dumb, but at least he stuck by his friend whereas Jirard knifed him for no reason.
@@merphul I’d feel bad for Jared as well had he not been all “cancel culture bad” during and after his big controversy, only to turn around and jump on the first cancel bandwagon that reached his eyes as soon as everyone moved on from his thing. He lowkey had it coming.
I remember when he distanced himself from jared when Jared had his controversies. Even then, jirard didn't seem like a good friend. He'll throw anyone under the bus if it will protect his image
saddest part is he could have came back from this is he just apologized ernestly. he had the rare boon of the public being on his side at first he could have just took the L donated the money did another charity stream properly showed the reciepts and been back in good graces. but he just kept digging and digging him self into a hole
That's the crazy part to me. Bro won. He literally tricked all of these people so hard that they were willing to defend him for lying to donations for 10 YEARS. All he had to do was not fuck it up and play nice in front of muta and Karl and dude was home free. But somehow, someway, bro managed to threaten to sue two of, like maybe 10 or so, content creators threatening to sue wouldn't work on. This is the internet equivalent of talking yourself into a ticket when the police officer pulled you over just for a warning.
My guess that he couldn't at that point. Probably has much more that we don't know, we still don't know anything from the Golf. Best he could've delayed it. I want to believe that a true apology could have reduced the damage, but I have the feeling we only saw the peak of the iceberg, and the rest will be revealed in court. Sad.
@@magicalcapi9148 He could've passed the buck, having someone else take the fall because he trusted them blindly. That would've been a great way to turn things around if that individual even admitted to being at fault. Then he swears to do better and be 100% transparent.
@@Dragoonsoul7878He kind did that, no? He stepped down from the foundation. But I imagine he can't (he can~, but...) put the blame on someone else, because, you know, all the people in the foundation are his family. Yeah...
The whole thing about Jirard being praised for "Preserving" the entire Wii U and 3DS library is hilarious when you know that not only do people already preserve that stuff years ago and didn't brag about it in social media, but of course Nintendo also preserved all the sh*t that mattered in those consoles as well. Literally doing it for the clout and nothing more its just hilarious.
It was pretty funny when someone tried to pull the whole parasocial relationship argument on Antdude and he was just like "Uh... I know Jirard in real life, bro."
Thing is, responding to a close friend being accused of crime would naturally be to get on their side. However, the embarrassing part is to state your support loudly, and denouncing the accuser. I won't pretend like I remember every piece of the accusation from Mutahar or Karl, but I'm sure I've watched more than ProJared did when he told them to "talk to Jirard".
I will never understand the blind defense people can have for youtubers they will never breathe next to in real life just because they said some nice things about them online in the past. You do not know these people. You don't know what they're capable of. People regurgitating that Jirard is a nice guy is because they can't fathom the thought that they made a poor choice in friends. It's all about THEIR ego and refusal to admit that they don't know everything and aren't as virtuous as they think they are.
When Jirard said he had "20 mouths to feed" makes me wonder if his family even works or were they all just wanting to syphon off the charity scheme forever. 19:06 how tf can a single streamer take care of 20 people to the point they can't take care of themselves.
he probably spiced the number up. anyway, jirards family has money. what jirad fees is his yes men posse to some degree, the people who write the scripts etc.
@hammondOT to be clear I just saw that he responded and vaguely skimmed it, but turns out his "apology" is littered with phrases like "I'm sure you would like to see me fail" which at this point I can't say such a though would disappoint me.
Ant dude had a pretty good apology. He admitted he was being biased and he didn’t just go against his friend. Which if he did would’ve made him look like a huge snake but yeah I can understand him. I’ve tried to defend my friends even when they do some really bad shit and I had to realize I was being biased and had to cut them off to grow
AntDude was capping in his apology, though. He's going so far as pretending that when he said "outrageous claims", he wasn't talking about the accusations. Suddenly, it's about "death threats". Threats aren't claims. He should just own being wrong without retconning your own tweets.
His friends say he wasnt being evil intentionally is such bs. Im sorry he used his freinds and his DEAD MOM as shields while knowing about it for years and money is just gone. The whole family is likely crooked at this point.
It's funny how a lot of the ''bigger Jirard defenders'' use the whole friendship excuse and don't want to instantly condemn someone, yet felt it was totally fine to lambast any detractors instantly without taking any of the facts into account. I get you don't want to go against someone you look up to or consider a friend, but there is always the option of not saying anything and just waiting until all the facts come out. But no, as if on impulse you instantly felt the need to respond and make a fool out of yourself. This is what twitter brain rot looks like.
I think people do that sort of stuff in a disingenuous way. In their head they probably thought Jirard was legit and wanted to get in his good graces so in the event he's proven innocent they can all go 'Look Jirard, look. I defended you from the get go Jirard. Let's be friends Jirard', and maybe collab or or be in his inner circle or something in the future.
@@lanceuppercut6168 I had not even considered that angle yet, yeah there might be some who think like that also. Though I do not want give them too much credit because that is too calculative for most of them, most of the responses were done without much thought behind it.
Remember the time MissFushi said "And I will remember you for it."? Pepperidge farms remembers. It's okay to persecute others when think you're in the right, it seems but how quickly she backs out now.
An they just want to dip out willy nilly like they didn't stick their nose into it. No no, shit don't work like that. I hope everyone remember her for it.
@@lanceuppercut6168 For the record it's fine to defend someone. At times that is. Defending with OJ Simpson levels of evidence is another thing. Defending after a nonapology video is another level of silly. At least she backed off but don't take such a strong stance that quickly peeps. You never know someone.
Him constantly bringing up his mom doesn't even bother me. What does is him using the word 'legacy'. Like, dude what 'legacy'? Don't you have to actually DO SOMETHING in order to have a legacy?
The craziest thing honestly is that ProJared's big "scandal" was a Crazy ex trying to destroy him. The dude was a horn dog but he actually didnt do anything and proved himself to actually br a good guy. Jon had his bad moments thats for damn sure but he kept things in the down low for the most part and he came back fresh applogized and ready to start completely over while other youtubers like H3H3 tried to rekindle the drama and ended up completely failing and just gardnering support for Jon. Basically two guys who ended up right and better after their "Drama's" So to try and attack them Now after they been forgiven and gotten followings again is fucken insane. I thought Hilter attacking Russia was the stupidest mistake anyone could of ever made but this is up there Because At least he had his retro buddies on his side. But people seeing him turning on Jared and Jon like that Really pushed him out of friendly territory and a war on two fronts
@@NemesisOgreKingand I don’t know why. Didn’t Jirard throw him under the bus when he was going through his own controversy years ago? why would you defend someone who already proved they are willing to stab you in the back?
Ah, Godwin's Law works every time. Hitler just randomly mentioned in a post discussing youtube drama, lol. (I understand what you've meant, btw, just find it funny when people do it)
I hate the fact that a lot of Jirard's defenders when backpedaling are using the excuses of hate comments and mental health to justify their actions, like dude everyone can find a bad comment or two in their thread and posting the screenshots of them doesn't mean shit. You just defended a dude that committed charity fraud, and scrolling down the replies on your tweet and finding hate comments and telling the people talking shit to you that they are bad because of hate comments and then using the mental health exuse is just pathetic
Look this has gone on for far enough now is the time for the Lawyers and the IRS to do their own investigation into this and to see what the courts will say.
i lost my dad to cancer 20 years ago when i was obviously a bit younger, i have never used that for sympathy, and my dad and i were bffs, the way he constantly uses his mom's death is insulting
I hate when people try to use the "they're a nice person" card. "nice people" can do bad shit. also, i was originally kinda sad and disappointing to see some creators I like defending jirard. edit: slightly fixed a sentence
The scumbag came back to grab more money on twitch. I would love to see a follow up so maybe we can know if he had other things planned with the money purely by public backslash. I love your videos man, hope you keep the format and quality.
Idk what these guys are talking about "new information" Mutas and Karls response is basically just regurgitating the info fron their first videos. Its understandable why they came to Jirards defence but its insanely obvious that they defended him without even watching the initial videos.
yes and the info was just public anyway that shows that jirard is full of shit. jirards own video combined with ohf website shows that jirard is full of shit. jirards own video combined with his own streams shows that jirard is full of shit.
@23:32 I just have to mention that I feel that the sponsor in Karl's most recent video was to deliberately make the people who complained about it in his second video even more angry, and while I have no skin in him having sponsors, I find that hilarious.
Jontron has had some very bad moments in his life, and i think at this point he doesn't have many of his old connections left (at least publicly). But to see Jirad throw him under the bus in his own desperate hour is so sad to see
Jared was playing stupid games and got his stupid prizes. Simping and trying to have fun with some people... but he never did anything wromg to anything other than HIMSELF. Jon was just a victim of political action. He did absolutely nothing wrong, quite the opposite. Nowadays you get cancelled for stating a fact. Fuck Jerard.
Ya know ima be honest, im trying my hardest to look at this situation without bias. Its a big reason im just watching this go down without giving a dog shit take. All i can say is i feel hurt since the completionist is one of my favorite content creators. I just hope people will be civil about this.
what if the "the Completionist" forgot about the money thus proving he had no ill intentions? if "The Completiontist" spent the money then he is S.O.L. There is capital fraud then there is unintentional fraud just look at the "Black Lives Matter Movement" where its Female Black Leader used all its freaking donated money to treat her self ,but never use it to fix actual Black Lives. me being a black person that was more disgusting than what the Completionist is doing right now.
The fact that he tried to throw JonTron and ProJared under the bus as a deflection tactic to distract from the fact that he's literally a charity scammer is one of the saddest things I've seen all year.
ProJared was innocent so that comparison was horrible. Jirard MAY be innocent in all this. We don’t know yet. I actually think it’s his dad’s fault and Jirard is taking the brunt but Jirard also may be the true cause. I’m waiting for more to be revealed in court until I pass my final judgement.
Even if he was negligent and somehow didn't know what was going on despite being a member of the board and it was his family that controlled open hands. There is one aspect that 100% can't be explained except that he was purposefully lying for years. He has talked about bit, subs, and merch, etc going completely to charity for years and it was plastered all over his streams yet in his "apology" states it was used to cover cost. Bits, subs, etc. don't go directly to open hand so he would have to donate it after the fact. To trick people into giving money by stated all of it would go to charity when he knew this wasn't the case. So while using donations to cover cost of events is legal and it still a fact that he has been knowingly lying about this for years. Sure he could be innocent in the legal sense but he admitted to lying to everyone when he stated he subs, bits, merch to cover cost.
FamilyBovine making public tweets at someone and then that someone coming at them and calling them out… and then playing the victim is kinda funny. All I’m saying is, talk it, get it. That’s the rules of any conversation, public messages will get public responses. I’d expect for some big name to call me out if I had the gall to call them scum for taking a sponsorship.
It is odd how a lot of Jirard's friends backed him, but Jared whom they all know was left to the wolves until he came back with receipts and they act like "Oops! Sorry about that." Some "friends" to defend a fraud. I wonder how many were getting a cut, especially everyone on his streams.
Oh my god, I made it into a Bowblax video. ...It's meant to be pronounced "AceBlaze", it's just written without the 'e' cuz I thought it looked cooler ending with a 'z' XD
One of the best lessons we can all learn from this is never jump the gun. When stuff gets bad, instead of leaping to social media to yell at people who don’t agree with you, just turn it off, take a walk, and go from there. Arguing on social media does nothing and only makes YOU look bad.
Yep. Whether it be defense or hate, you should always check out both sides while trying to absorb that bit of news. I kinda did that with Karl's first Jirard video even though he was going easy at the time.
That Antdude almost sunk his own ship tying it so close to Jirards. Hey any friend worth their salt would jump to defend a friend I'm proud of that, what I would call out(if I used x anytime in the last 2 yrs) is the instantly ignoring of evidence and using a sponsor to claim "clout chasing". The attacks on karl and muta were not needed, but just like that young girl and her dad when she exposed dhavie vanity the nonce from blood on the dance floor. they were attacked and had their work, their exposing wrote off as just clout chasing destroy the good guy leech crap.
You know what's wild about this? Both Jirard and Idubbbz failed to properly donate to their respective charities. I seriously hope this isn't happening more often and that they don't use charity as an excuse for their behavior
All of them patting themselves on the back because they couldn't shut up or analyze evidence is so stupid, take the L and stop looking for reasons you did it.
His friends should have just kept quiet and did research before coming out with a response. Now they are left having to apologize for their initial comments.
That Bovine guy was such a moron, when you call out people on a public platform you have no right when they clap back calling out your BS. Same with Bonsai dying on that stupid hill. It’s crazy how many people are trying to discredit and slander Karl and Muta after all their work and having all the evidence so blatantly out there. People really can’t accept that Jirard was a fraud all this time? Also was anyone else getting weird vibes from Ant Dude’s final response? Am I reading that correctly when he’s saying Jirard had no malicious intent? Either I’m completely misunderstanding his wording or he’s still defending Jirards 10 year charity fraud by downplaying it, I’m genuinely having a brain fart trying to understanding that part. A lot of other creators are feeling really stupid now I bet after realizing they were slandering Muta and Karl and were happily defending Jirard blindly. That’s why its best to remain neutral and wait before jumping the gun. I lost a lot of respect for some people seeing this unfold
As someone who was under the spell of a narcissist, I get it. Charm, friendship and sunk cost fallacy are all really powerful drugs, and it can be really hard to break them. Even with all the evidence in the world, "he's still your friend and you just KNOW he wouldn't be so evil". I wish them the best, and hope they can break away. It's not easy.
I really feel bad for his friends, especially cause some off them got caught in the crossfire, eventho all they did was defend theire friend, which is very normal.
Ah yes, not apologizing at all for blatantly insulting the people who exposed charaity fraud. "Oh, I saw some random people saying racist things!(Provides no proof of this). I accidentally called them claims! That tweet wasn't me defending Jirad, and I'm not backpedaling now! Oh, people are so mean for calling me out for my stupidity! His response is garbage, he was mad people dared to expose such a "nice" guy and when called out made an apology as fake and blame-shifting as Jirad's. He's just another grifter with a fake smile He doesn't care his friend is a con artist, he just had to backpedal when he realized his audience is not as dumb as he pretended to be.
Not really, he had a really really really awful take that spat in the face of plenty of research done by two people and straight up evidence only to backtrack when all but Jirard himself admitted to charity fraud.
@@Dragular When he blatantly insulted Karl and Muta (holiday ad revenue tweet) only to now say this was just him being "sassy" because of course that is a great excuse for character attacks! He claims this is because people were being sassy to him so he returned the same energy, but since neither Karl nor Muta ever responded to him this reasoning makes no sense. When he tweeted that the claims were outrageous only to backpedal and say he was referring to racism and death threats. If you can't see this is a blatnlt and obvious lie I don't know what to tell you, referring to death threats and racism as "The claims" instead of... racism and death threats is really bizzare, no matter how "dumd you can be sometimes" When he said all he wanted was for people to stay calm and wait for the full side of the story, while he did not watch the videos from Karl and Muta and while he was blant5ly insulting them(see above) Essentially the entire "apology" is "I'm so sorry about what I did... but none of it is actually my fault!" I guess he and his good buddy Jirad give the same level of apologies!(Complete dogshit) Unrelated, but his viewing Jirad lying for a decade as non-malicious is telling. He's still defending him. He does not care about the charity fraud, he just had to walk his defense somewhat in the face of the backlash. He is a grifter with a fake smile, just like Jirad.
And the whole blacklash is the sole reason why you never, ever take your friend's side by default in any problem said friend is involved in. It's not your job.
I’m sorry.. but none of his friends TALK TO HIM? When Paco was accused of sa , ryan asked him.. did he do it.. and if he didn’t he would back him 100%.. Paco was honest and that’s why ryan didn’t back him.. but like.. did not a single one of them TALK to jirad? Like.. I’m sorry..but sometimes the blind defending means you too have skeletons.. just like jirad using john tron and other guy.. Or they knew.. If you’re a sane person.. you want to hear all sides… you give benifit of doubt like muta.. but you get all sides..
they're not friends. they're people who see the big bearded youtuber as a gatekeeper to nintendo youtuber success. and have no spine. or social skills. or life experience. and think the world works only by who you know and that truth doesn't matter just who is """"nice""""
Investigative journalism costs money. Karl and Muta are perfectly rational and justified to take AD REVENUE to support their hobby/careers and NOT THE BRIBE, smarties. That kinda shows it isn't about the money now doesn't it?
I really agree with Getlucky's statement. I feel like people never in their shoes, like bro if you're friend was claimed for being a fraud, especially a long time one, you'd probably defend them or saying "he wouldn't do that. If your friends instantly turns on you the moment this reveal, it would just be really weird. Though obviously if you're still going to defend him now even after ALL the evidence was revealed, well you're just a lost cause at that point
I think of the Seinfeld clip of Kramer admitting that he would turn Jerry in if he killed someone "Well what kind of friend are you going around killing people?" "But you know me!" "I thought I did!"
No. You apply the same amount of scrutiny as you would a non-friend. If said defender doesn’t wait until enough evidence is out and makes a snap decision, that’s on them.
This. Especially with ProJared. The guy was fucked over by false accusations. I think it's fair for him to have taken The Completionist's side immediately. Of course if he still hasn't taken back what he said at this point then it's fair to call him out for it.
@@nal101 I disagree. You would side with your friend because he's someone you're close with for a long time. You wouldn't hold them to the same scrutiny since they're someone you known better than strangers and want to believe and see the best in them. It's not like you don't believe he could do wrong, it's not believing he would do something this scandalous. You wouldn't instantly turn on them the moment the situation happens, that's just human nature
he could have just say sorry and end up with a wounded career than with time might have recover eventually but the moment he threaten with lawsuit he commited career suicide.
Sure, maybe your first thought would be "my friend wouldn't do that", but your first public statement should definitely have a lot more thought and research put into it.
