Having one guy control traffic on two different screens and have to roll back and forth is insane. And to not have ANY form of telephone isnt a lot better.
The moment the work crew informed him they were going to be working on the radar so it wouldn't be as effective, he should have had someone call the other controller back in. One controller handling 2 screens that far apart is bad enough when everything is working at optimal efficiency.
So, a little detail that very few people are aware of here. Back in 1980, McCarren Airport (Las Vegas International Airport, as some of us sometimes call it, as we refuse to refer to it by the name we outright refused on the ballot, and was overwhelmingly refused, but was forced anyway) had a problem where you had ATC's who were responsible for more than one screen. It was a miracle that very few accidents occurred, but someone eventually blew the whistle and it resulted in major changes (oh and the person who did that disappeared)
Lack of manpower in the control tower really impacts the incident the most. Human error, yes. But it was not truly his fault. Also the machine can be part of it too.
I can certainly agree about my own life. Sadly things like this still happen. Corporate greed has driven some companies to consider flying passenger planes with a single pilot, something that would diminish security. And children all around the world are being trapped in conflict zones where destruction is deliberate.
I remember this one vividly. We were living in Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany, about 20 miles from lake Constance at the time and that evening having a barbecue at a friends of my mums house, us kids were playing inside and when we went back out in the garden all the adults were looking at the sky, saying oh my god, it must have been an aircraft. I still remember the look of sheer horror in all their faces. Later they turned on the tv and sent us all off to bed. We stayed at that friends house that night. Truly heartbreaking. I can't believe people are defending that russian father, though. I remember seeing his face on the news. No remorse, he thought he was a hero for killing that poor sky guide operator in front of his children. Disgusting human being.
I think they had different narrators depending on which country they were selling it to. Jonathan Aris is my favourite narrator too. He is just great. He has done all the Australian released ones since season 2. I think they are now up to season 22. They are so well done, interesting and frightening all at once. Greg Fieth is my favourite investigator. He now has a RU-vid channel with a couple of other retired investigators. I must have watched this one 10 times. It’s beyond tragic on so many levels. All the best to a fellow J. Aris appreciator. 🌈🦘
@@Soffity I can't even watch if someone else presents the documentary. This gentleman really feels with us. and these documentaries are monumental ; we pray, we suffer, we share victims' pain. it is very important.
SkyGuide Management is fully responsible for this tragedy. Sadly, it was the controller and 2 planes full of people that paid the price. RIP to all those lost.
You can rightly blame anyone you want. Federal authorities should never have allowed a controller to be by themselves. The airspace should be automatically closed.
@@MegaLokopoThe sad thing is that back then this wasn't allowed in Germany, but in Switzerland it was, so if the switch to the swiss Controller would have taken place at the border, the accident would have never occured.
This entire situation is beyond horrible. I feel so sorry for everyone involved. It is so sad. The victims didn't deserve it. The families didn't deserve it. The air traffic controller didn't deserve it. So many unfortunate circumstances conspired together to cause the disaster.
What a miracle that the dad found his little girl's necklace.. Poor man lost his entire family.. What a mess.. All those bright children, God help the families.. 😞
@@greenpegatrix3773About a year prior 2 Japanese aircrafts nearly collided with one another when one pilot took TCAS instruction &the other didn't and the reason they avoided collision was because one pilot performed abrupt maneuvering that left 100 people injured,he managed cause it was not during the night &he could see another aircraft approaching.What caused more confusion was what ATC manual stated when emphasizing role of ATC vs TCAS:It considered TCAS as an additional aid&then different chapter of the same manual forbade maneuvers contrary to TCAS.BFU on the other hand said to resolve this conflict pilots should follow TCAS instructions even if they contrary to ATC commands.
@stephenmapeka7774 That depended on which country you were in. In America, TCAS was the priority, while in most Eastern countries, ATC always has the final say. It wasn't until two planes collided in Europe?, one containing children, and the other simply a cargo plane, that the international community decided that TCAS would always have the final say in a potential collision situation. One plane followed TCAS, while the other followed ATC.
I will never understand why those Russian pilots didn't say, "But TCAS is telling us to climb!" Then Nielsen would've known that TCAS was telling the other pilots to descend. Why did they muddle through without expressing their concern and confusion to ATC? I know it's easy to armchair quarterback, but this seems so obvious. In any event, the people truly responsible for this tragedy are the management at ATC. They NEVER should have arranged for critical equipment to be shut down without ensuring extra personnel would be on duty that night to handle any issues.
Because this was not the procedure? People do what they are trained to do under stress but everyone is smart in their armchair (especially when there are some Russians to blame).
Something we could learn by this is that you should know, even generally, how your systems and alerts work. Even before it was standardized (listening to TCAS first), knowing how TCAS works would help you make an informed decision (which may conflict with ATC) since at the end of it all, the pilot has control of the aircraft.
So SkyGuide management had mysterious technicians come in to do random maintenance of which the controllers were unaware? Yet they threw Peter under the bus. This system maintenance should have been properly coordinated to ensure all hands were on deck due to the faulty delayed system and downed phone lines. Peter is not at all to be blamed.
I feel so sorry for the families who had loved ones on the aircraft… it is just so sad for them… I hope whoever reads this will be with your loved ones…
I feel sorry for so many of those kids who lost their lives in that mid air collision. In my mind one of the worst mid air collisions in aviation history
A very well constructed and educational docu and the reenactment is powerful and yet so sad. Sympathy to all the families ; I was especially struck by the man (the architect) who lost his entire family.
The air traffic controller should have had his name changed and gone into hiding. Noone wanted this to happen but people tend to use anger & blame when dealing with grief. So tragic.😢
The air traffic controller who left the screen to Peter should be blamed for this tragedy from his selfish to let one man taking care 2 screen which was impossible to handle.He took a long break without care on work load on another while sipping his hot capuchino and relax until aircraft has crashed then he showed up to see his neglect responsibility. That guy should be brought for justice to get punish from his lousy as he should know that 2 screen radar were impossible for one man to handle and pretend I was not at fault, I got a Break. That was not forgiven on guy to walk free from his tragedy cause
There were five pilots in the cockpit on Qantas 32 when engine 2 exploded after take off from Singapore. The two check captains knew the captain in the left seat was in charge and the five of them worked and resourced together to bring 😊 the crippled A 380 back to Singapore with all on board safe and sound. This accident in 2002 certainly brought following TCAS over ATC to the fore but like most accidents it was a chapter of faults starting with the wrong airport. However Sky Guide to me should never have had Peter working alone with all the maintenance going on around him and his colleague on an extended break. I still don’t understand why the two planes were at the same altitude in the first place, I thought they had corridors in the sky where depending on which direction you were going you had to be at a specific altitude. If anyone can explain this over sight to me I’d be interested to read it. This happened 22 years ago. I hope the families have found some peace.
So Sad 😢 if the travel agency didn't bumble the first jet and caused the children to miss it, they would all probably still be alive.. so sad I can only imagine the person responsible for that mistake feels a tremendous amount of guilt 😢💔
The controller wasn't put in the best conditions for this. Even so, he felt bad enough. The only good that came of this, as with all disasters, is the updated safety regulations that are SUPPOSE to be followed, but we know companies will find loopholes and shortcuts.
You mean the company responsible for this. Skyguide put one controller in charge of two radars, then removed most of the tools he needed to control air traffic, then gave him a coin to flip to decide on a last minute emergency. That collision is Skyguide's fault, and the death of those children is the end result of a weird string of random events (travel agency made them miss their flight, etc.)
i feel honestly so bad for everyone involved in the case; the poor controller, that wasn't responsible, and got killed anyway, the captains, that were oblivious, the passengers that lost their lives and the families that had to accept everything do suddenly...
Why didn't the controller call back the other controller who was on a break as soon as the workload picked expectantly and surely when the maintenance people requested to remove from service several critical systems???
not only was he insanely busy, the other guy was prob outside not near a phone. Also quite experienced so maybe he thought he could handle it. the vid said he was unaware that smthg needed wasn't working properly
Love this channel!🎉 I don’t mind watching reruns, it’s good there aren’t new plane crashes! 👍 these crashes has helped prevent future ones (for the most part).
I've seen this episode a couple of times and I know it sounds callous but the single mother has never properly grieved her son. She is still acting like he might come back. There is so much needless death in this episode. The controller was a victim as well, as everyone seems to forget about the DHL crew. Oh ffs Kaloyev was found guilty of manslaughter but with a reduced sentence due to "diminished responsibility". He goes home and is treated like a hero. Becomes a minister. Ends up with the highest medal available to the state.
The issue between air traffic controllers and TCAS had already been exposed via the near collision involving the 2 Japanese planes. It's the authorities who had FAILED to see a clear communication issue and did nothing to clarify WHICH instruction should be followed. This is where the problem originated, by well paid authorities sitting on their hands. I have been a safety officer in an entirely different field, and I became aware of the 'brick walls' encountered at company and controlling authority level when safety requires changes. Too lazy, too arrogant and too self important to be concerned with a 'possible' safety issue raised from those below their lofty pay scale. I resigned my position simply because of these pigheaded attitudes.
My late uncle was a private pilot. Anytime that he had passengers, they did not get to just sit back and enjoy the ride. He would have them be his additional eyes in the sky to watch for other air traffic to avoid the possibility of things just like this from happening.
Sure, they can start with the playlist. There, they can find this exact SAME EPISODE with a DIFFERENT TITLE! So stop complaining about why other "BRATS" you call them complaining about reuploads. Keep scrolling if you don't like it. Simple as that.
it breaks my heart every time. i just hope their families could find at least a little piece of peace in that suffering. I can't even imagine how terrible must be to lose your loved one in such situation. 😢
In my opinion, when the TCAS warning comes, then pilots should follow the instructions of TCAS immediately instead of being confused in order to prevent mid air collisions ........In this case, the dhl crew followed the instruction of descending but the bashkarian crew was confused and they later followed the instruction of air traffic controller that was also descending that was opposite to the instruction of TCAS but in vain
So sad! I know Peter Nielsen shouldn't have died either, but if losing one’s entire family isn’t enough to drive a person insane, I don’t know what is. This really was mostly on Sky Guide management, and the Russian crew for not obeying their TCAS. It doesn’t matter how urgent or dispassionate a voice is: listen to the tech that's in the air with you.
Did the outgoing shift not brief the incoming shift that capabilities were drastically reduced? What do they do at shift change, just high five at the door?
All of those children 😭 And Peter Nielson! He was just as much a victim as all the people on those two planes! Sky Guide should have never allowed for one controller to have to manage all of that all on his own! I hope the families can someday find peace 💔 And rest in peace to Nielson, who now will never get the chance to....
19:22 Unfortunately, not exactly. In 2022 the full CVRs for both flights leaked. The DHL's cuts out 8 seconds after impact(the engine powering it fell off) , but the Russian plane's recorder was in the cockpit and battery powered, and ran for over a minute after the impact(albeit not quite to the end). They were awake immediately after the crash(One of them says "I TOLD YOU HE WAS ON THE LEFT") and after seemingly briefly passing out 30 seconds later they wake up and someone says "I'm sorry I didn't listen" and then "I'm sorry". And there's more. On the CVR leak, if you up the volume and cut out the static near the end, you can hear two call outs of "Bravo Tango Charlie 2937". 20:12 and 20:16 . The pilots were awake and heard Peter calling for them(he was calling them specifically because they were completely gone on radar, the DHL was still visible until it crashed), and seemingly attempted to answer at one point as they groggily speak a bit, though we don't know exactly what happened in that final minute as the CVR cuts out around this time, and with the noise we can't tell if they were trying to grab the radio.
This reupload video episode is way better than before and pretty hard to watch😢. This is also one of the most tragic aviation accidents that i have ever learn. That controller was not really guilty for the accident.
More reuploads. I guess RU-vid don't want to put in new episodes or new seasons in. Here's a thought. If you're wondering why people are complaining about reuploads, go to the playlist. You'd be shocked by how many times these episodes get played over and over with a different or misleading titles.
I put the blame squarely on Alain Rossier, Sky Guide's Chief Operations Officer at that time. He should have taken responsibility for the quality control of its services. But, irresponsible that he was, he evaded and evades responsibility.
Peter should never have cleared DHL to FL360 in the first place. Putting him at FL350 would have likely satisfied the DHL crew's request for increased altitude while ensuring appropriate separation fromthe other traffic present in the sector. That said, if he had been kept distracted just a little longer, or the other control center had been allowed to contact the planes directly, this likely could have been a mere incident instead of an accident.
So you see 2 planes having a conflict but because of some dumb rule you’re not allowed to speak to them?. Just make the call who gives a F***. Now this is your fault!,
You can clearly see that that man was out of his mind he showed the control of pictures and then he stabbed them not knowing that they can take the pictures and track them back to him. I feel so sorry for them
I’ve watched some of these and this one is the last. Knowing these ppl are going to and do die hurts my heart- and when a family member speaks of their loved one 😭 is heart breaking. I can’t watch these , it’s not entertaining to me First one was interesting with how they pin pointed WHAT happened then I just felt heart sick for the ppl , last one was Swiss Air crash. I live in New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia is a sneeze away - 😯 too close to home and then this one,, can’t even imagine what they felt.
