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Safety in hitching animals to pull buggies, wagons, or coaches is helped by knowing what the pieces are, how they function, and why. This is briefly identifying the shaft's and pole's pieces and how they are designed to work properly.
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@ericmcrae7758
@ericmcrae7758 3 года назад
Watching a Master Craftsman at work is never mundane. Sometimes us lesser mortals actully learn something. The stuff you show is always helpful.
@nazgullnazgul5150
@nazgullnazgul5150 3 года назад
YOU ARE NOT BORING AT ALL IT IS VERY INTERESTING TO WATCH YOU AND LEARN ABOUT OTHER GOOD PEOPLE LIVING IN COUNTRIES WHICH I NEVER PROPABLY VISIT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMPANY
@jimmyandrews8325
@jimmyandrews8325 3 года назад
You can sand ,put on tires or just talk,I enjoy watching you do whatever. It is all a skill that needs to be saved.
@tenajnodmot
@tenajnodmot 3 года назад
Please do not apologize for any work you post. It's a wonderful way to be entertained by a true master of all trades. Thank you from New Zealand
@deanehill9730
@deanehill9730 3 года назад
I am one of those who will watch you do whatever is part of building/repairing the job at hand. It is all part of the necessary work to have a presentable finished product. Thanks for another entertaining video.
@teryshaw7370
@teryshaw7370 3 года назад
Frankly, your commentary round about minute 6 is the real reason I watch this channel.
@ricksizemore8102
@ricksizemore8102 3 года назад
Mr. Engels you teach more in a few words than most do by talking all the way through a video. I enjoy your videos and it is unusual for me not to lean something every time I watch! Case in point I leaned how to fix my small sickle bar mower from you! Thank you and please keep these wonderful videos coming!
@georgedunham6833
@georgedunham6833 3 года назад
Those of us who do wood crafts or welding , painting or sewing can understand what you are talking about. I enjoy pretty much all that you do on your channel and can take away your dedication to quality work and care of what you do. Personally I thank you.
@escapetime161803
@escapetime161803 3 года назад
I'm one of the ones who didn't fastforward your sanding video, but wasn't bored. It's unlikely I'll ever need to use any of the techniques you demonstrate but it's always a joy to learn. You're not just teaching half a century's worth of practical skills, but but an attitude to life. Keep on doing what you're doing and we'll all be with you.
@jimwilloughby
@jimwilloughby 3 года назад
I liked the "blabbing", but I got a laugh out of the " I tricked ya into watching sanding".
@DLDietz
@DLDietz 3 года назад
Please stop trying to make us happy! I've been a subscriber for years because you are truly a CRAFTSMAN. I enjoy watching you create things with your skills. You take no shortcuts, measure twice, and reject sub standard materials. When I see you doing things such as sanding, I see an artist who uses his hands to feel the shape and removes only what is necessary. I look forward to seeing the whole process, not just bits and pieces. but the love, dedication, & hard work you put into every project.
@Cowboy_Ash
@Cowboy_Ash 3 года назад
I watch every video and never skip, I actually rewind to see something over again. Last week I skipped almost all of it. This week I got dizzy watching the sanding intermixed with Dave talking 😂. I’ll see you next week. Very Respectfully Yours.
@datek75
@datek75 3 года назад
I, for one, truly appreciate and recognize the importance of sanding videos. I restore historical millwork professionally, and the idea of romance is soon eclipsed by the mundane. It’s nice to see you present this juxtaposition so eloquently.
@jdmccorful
@jdmccorful 3 года назад
The philosophic side of the job. Thanks for the look.
@LostMountainRestoration
@LostMountainRestoration 3 года назад
I enjoy your channel because you are a very rare breed. You are a phenomenal Black Smith, Carpenter, Metal Worker and Fabricator. There are many individuals possession that level of competence at one skill, but you excel at all of them; and frankly, I am amazed at what you are able to do. Thank you for sharing your talents with us.
@blainerueckwald
@blainerueckwald 3 года назад
This is one of the few channels that I very rarely fast forward.
@olddawgdreaming5715
@olddawgdreaming5715 3 года назад
Great job Dave, enjoyed your refresher video on the wagon sanding and filling. It is still something good to see. That was a great job with replacing the rubber tires on those 4 buggy wheels. As always, thanks for sharing with us. Fred. 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👋👋
@anonymic79
@anonymic79 3 года назад
I'm here because it's all about the craft, and you're a true craftsman who can explain and teach and do all of these things and there's just about as little ego in it as I've been able to find anywhere. It's refreshing and I learn something every time without a "check me and my personality out" kind of attitude.
@strokerace5468
@strokerace5468 3 года назад
Your wealth of knowledge is mind blowing. Like George Jones said Whose going to fill their shoes. Whose going to fill yours
@tgillespie
@tgillespie 3 года назад
Dave, brilliant! I love your explanations. Not only are you a Jack of all trades, you are an amazing teacher. Thank you for making the effort.
@johnmills3629
@johnmills3629 3 года назад
I never get tired of watching your videos. So interesting. So informative, and it makes me wish I were young enough to do these kind of things again.
@TonyLambregts
@TonyLambregts 3 года назад
Thank you for your videos. I am subscribed to many channels and your channel is one that I look really look forward to. I have gone back and watched probably all of your previous videos, some of them twice. They are very generally very informative and even if you aren't speaking they are usually self explanatory. I think you have a good handle on your viewing audience. Yes indeed I skipped through the sanding video in 10 second increments. Your comments about the the last one and how it's related to life in general really struck a cord with me. Thank you for doing more sanding and walking us through the terminology and purpose of the various components as you did so. I will be definitely watching this one again.
@carlT1986
@carlT1986 3 года назад
I watch because I like you and enjoy seeing you do your craft. yea, if you filmed paint drying I would probably watch. It seems to me that I am visiting with someone I truly respect that I have never met.
@robertgrimley9077
@robertgrimley9077 3 года назад
The more I watch you in these videos the more I wish I had met you in my younger days. Instead of being a automotive mechanic I think I might have been good at the being a wheelwright. Maybe it is the romance of the work but the interest has always been there. At 68 years old I often think about "what if". I am always happy to see another of your videos come up.
@georgesherman5345
@georgesherman5345 3 года назад
I've done my share of sanding over my 79 years, but I just enjoy watching and listening to you. You are very meticulous and caring about your work, Those are 2 traits that have gone by the wayside over the years. Thanks for your patience with us!!
@jenniferaby442
@jenniferaby442 3 года назад
Best sanding video I've ever seen. The in depth explanation of the pieces and their use was helpful. Now I don't just watch for the art of a Wheelwright/carriage Wright. It's that you remind me of my late maternal grandfather on your Master craftsmanship manner.
@franksmodels29
@franksmodels29 3 года назад
It’s like that in every business you start out wide eyed and in awe then reality sets in … lol. Great vids keep them coming 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@tuberzish
@tuberzish 3 года назад
Dave, I really appreciate your skill in making us understand the importance of something as mundane as sanding, but more than that, I appreciate your explanation of the "mental discipline" involved, as well as your commitment to make a video that is engaging and informative. You are indeed an excellent teacher, and I think some of us may be learning more than we realize, not only from your explanations, but also from your example. Thanks again, and enjoy the celebration of our independence!
@jerrywallis8825
@jerrywallis8825 3 года назад
At first it was rough watching you sand but it got smoother after a while. Always enjoy your work on wheels and your skills.
@georgewadejr5474
@georgewadejr5474 3 года назад
It sure is looking good. Needs more sanding. Look forward to the next round. Lollll 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🧨🎉🥸
@spaert
@spaert 3 года назад
Okay, ya got me. I fast forwarded through the other sanding video. And this time I watched the sanding. And learned a few things. You truly are an unintentional (maybe) master teacher. Nicely done. On both counts.
@rogerdeane3608
@rogerdeane3608 3 года назад
Always a pleasure to watch you at your craft regardless of what you are doing as you are an artist in your trade.
@davidcurtiscrowell5367
@davidcurtiscrowell5367 3 года назад
I have watched every minute of every episode since discovering your channel. I'm 60 years old and have worked in the carpentry field for many years. I have always enjoyed the older trades. I tell young people all the time. "pay attention to the older tradesmen, you can learn some valuable lessons" And I have, From watching you.
@generedwine6863
@generedwine6863 3 года назад
Thoroughly enjoy all of your sanding videos just as much as all others. Your videos and teaching never get boring. I have been woodworking, metal smithing and more for over 73 years now and have learned at least one new thing in every video and usually much more than that. You just keep on doing what you do so well. To repeat myself your videos every last one of them are pure treasures.
@michaeldougfir9807
@michaeldougfir9807 3 года назад
Well, I have no complaint. And as a Mennonite I enjoyed the part about the Amishman's wheels and tires. One thing that came to mind as you pointed out details that could be plainer. In architecture, extra/fancy doo-dads on a building were called, "something for the eye." Or so I have been told. And I like finding out about such things on a buggy. Now I will look for them when I am near a buggy next time. Thanks Dave. You could borrow a movie title as a theme: True Grit.
@PilotMcbride
@PilotMcbride 3 года назад
You’re a good man Dave, I enjoy ALL of your vids in their entirety. Through my time I’ve had to do plenty of labour intensive, so-called boring jobs, but they were all worth it at the end for the looks on others faces when they see the end result. Thanks for posting, keep on posting, we’ll be watching more. 👏👏👏 👋👋👋
@tolbaszy8067
@tolbaszy8067 3 года назад
At least you showed sanding mostly in real time. Thanks for taking the time to explain the complexities, subtleties and artistry of blending machine to animal!
@lerkzor
@lerkzor 3 года назад
You don't have to trick me into watching sanding, I'm one of the few who actually WATCHED you last video on sanding, and I watched this one too. Hope you have an enjoyable weekend, see you in the next video!
@stephenrobb8759
@stephenrobb8759 3 года назад
I think I did too... I will go watch it again to be sure.
@leanderward6060
@leanderward6060 3 года назад
Well a lot of you out there may never get to do this but I had the opportunity to spend about 30 minutes in the coach shop with Dave last week and it was a most enjoyable time .My wife and myself were on vacation and we had a tour of the shop got a picture with Dave and heard and told a couple of (old ) stories a most wonderful time . I grew up around old barns ,wagons ,and farm implements all involving horses and now over sixty years later I'm enjoying watching a master craftsman making them useful again . Thanks again Dave for a great visit .
@nickblood5040
@nickblood5040 3 года назад
Happy to watch you sand Dave, mostly 'cos I am not doing it
@frasermacdougall7610
@frasermacdougall7610 3 года назад
Your reply relates to how i feel about it also.
@scruffy6151
@scruffy6151 3 года назад
Lol agree.
@briann657
@briann657 3 года назад
If I'm being honest, I was one of those folks who skipped ahead quite a bit during the sanding video. I've done more sanding than I would have like to. Been subscribed for a while so I felt pretty guilty skipping ahead, but I appreciate you talking about that during this video. I would certainly hope anyone watching would be able to see the amount of thought and planning that goes into a wagon/coach/carriage. You sure make it look easy, but anyone who has ever worked with wood or steel/iron surely knows how much experience is behind that appearance of relative ease. My hat is definitely off to you.
@jamesmalott7851
@jamesmalott7851 3 года назад
Thank you for your skill and humor, it’s very much appreciated, and looked forward to every week.
@dorightal4965
@dorightal4965 3 года назад
Sanding is a necessary evil. So you do it good. Like the rest of the broad range of skills you demonstrate each week. I'm really looking forward to a quiet Friday evening learning something of these fascinating skills.
@larrycounce4509
@larrycounce4509 3 года назад
Tips and tricks can be gained from sanding, I fail to understand folks turning off or crying boring. The channels I choose to watch are ones that offer educational goodies for my rod making, so thank you sir. I do not have a tv so this is my entertainment, again thanks.
@mcransley
@mcransley 2 месяца назад
Leaving the tenons longer and angling them helps shed the rain away from the mortice, so it does have a function as well as looking good. Great video, thanks.
@KeithHeinrich
@KeithHeinrich 2 года назад
The mental discipline of enduring... that's wisdom being imparted right there.
@kevinunderwood2931
@kevinunderwood2931 3 года назад
Worked a lot of horses and mules but never drove a team on anything as nice as this is becoming. Thanks for sharing.
@qd63991
@qd63991 3 года назад
Your sanding analogy is an important life lesson, too. There are many times in our lives and marriage where we just have to get down an “sand” things out. Not always pleasant, either.
@ermelindowenceslauqueiroz8894
@ermelindowenceslauqueiroz8894 3 года назад
👏👏👏 saudações de Minas Gerais, Brasil.
@steveshoemaker6347
@steveshoemaker6347 3 года назад
You are showing my things l had forgot about....Many years ago now when dad had a Buggy & team of horses....Thanks many times...!
@josephsmith1210
@josephsmith1210 3 года назад
Dave, always a pleasure and your analogy is so true, somethings are mundane. But those mundane things in work and life give us our biggest rewards. Thanks so much for these videos. Stay safe from Wisconsin, Joe. Oh, I watched the whole sanding video, too.
@steveferris1263
@steveferris1263 3 года назад
Not only an expert craftsman, but a pretty accomplished teacher as well. Thanks for taking us along for this enthralling ride while you keep alive Americans historically important horse drawn conveniences. And happy Independence Day!
@rodneywroten2994
@rodneywroten2994 3 года назад
I do say i have skipped sometime. But still be here always
@willdennis2722
@willdennis2722 3 года назад
Never get tired of you videos, always something to learn and admire.. I wonder if it would be possible to video the horse horses being hitched up to a wagon.I think it would answer a lot of questions. You have stirred my imagination with your channel. When I watch an old western I pay more attention to the wagons and horses! Thank you !!!!!
@gav2759
@gav2759 3 года назад
How else would I want to spend a Friday evening than watch you sanding? I can't help feeling there are people out there missing out, big time. Thanks for posting.
@allendegarmo6680
@allendegarmo6680 3 года назад
Hard work and craftsmanship is always worth watching.
@fuggnut
@fuggnut 3 года назад
Well I didn't feel tricked until you pointed it out lol. Talking about all the parts while you sanded made it worth it.
@juantransportador
@juantransportador 3 года назад
HELLO from las Vegas Nevada, interesting, thank you for the video and GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
@duanelundgren7985
@duanelundgren7985 3 года назад
Centennial Hills, in Las Vegas here too... at least until I get moved to Rapid City!!! And that, right soon!!
@jimlambertz7117
@jimlambertz7117 3 года назад
Thank you for adding narrative along with the sanding. I'm not a horseman but appreciate learn the terminology and styling. When I do woodworking I have learned to spending more time and effort because I know how much it adds to the finish.
@charliebryson1285
@charliebryson1285 3 года назад
Anyone that critizies isn't really a fan anyway, I enjoy everything that you do and look forward to each video.
@andrewclarkehomeimprovement
@andrewclarkehomeimprovement 3 года назад
Sneaky Dave, sneaky! 😉😉 Happy to watch sanding if I'm not doing it! Especially after a day and a half sanding wood in my customer's hallway. Thanks for the explanations of the various parts.
@kevchard5214
@kevchard5214 3 года назад
Guilty as charged I admit I fast forwarded the video but I still learn something on almost every video.
@tedhewitt4299
@tedhewitt4299 3 года назад
You have a great life philosophy. You know that everything isn't enjoyable.
@thirzapeevey2395
@thirzapeevey2395 3 года назад
Even if I have worked around horses for many years, I surely don't know it all. I learn something every time I watch you. When you were making the top, I was wondering a lot of the time what points you were referencing. I could see you measuring, but I wasn't sure the point you were measuring to. Your last little explanation of your sanding goals was very helpful. Folks used to tell me how many rounds of sanding and primer I needed, but if no one explains what you are trying to accomplish with each, it looks a whole lot like painting and sanding it all back off over and over.
@PRRGG1
@PRRGG1 3 года назад
Good stuff from a proud watcher of the entire sanding video. It's all about the prep if you want a good finish.
@andrewnielsen3178
@andrewnielsen3178 3 года назад
Dave for me the main interest is you and your attitude. Thanks for all the entertainment that you spice up with your down to earth comments. I am a long time viewer and really look forward to your videos. I hope that you and yours are avoiding the covid mess. Get vaccinated asap. Regards from Australia.
@marlinkojak9882
@marlinkojak9882 3 года назад
enjoy all your videos
@TomLeg
@TomLeg 3 года назад
Nice to hear about all the pieces, not that I'll ever hook up a horse and buggy. I'm sure you get pleasure from surprising customers with the decorative touches
@overodog
@overodog 3 года назад
Really appreciated the narration in this video. It highlighted some details I missed in the construction vid. Thanks!
@brucemeller2794
@brucemeller2794 2 года назад
Never enjoyed watching sanding so much. Thanks, Dave.
@badgerpa9
@badgerpa9 3 года назад
Always good to here the parts names again, neighbors often use different terms than what I learned anyways.
@jjbode1
@jjbode1 3 года назад
I nominate you for editing award for describing while showing sanding and filling, all seamlessly. Who judges?
@bigalcastings
@bigalcastings 3 года назад
Hi Dave really like watching your videos on how to build wagons and what goes into the build them. sanding is the key to a good finish On any painting job you do. Can't get enough of your shows Dave can't wait for the next episode. Regards Alan Australia
@randallparker8477
@randallparker8477 3 года назад
I learned from my Grandfather and Dad, that every "job" has it's parts to accomplish that can be boring. Designing something can be exciting and fun, imagination combined with standard principles will get things moving, but then each phase has it's not so fun and exciting parts. "Do each step like it's the only step, move on to the next." Sanding (wood) is one of my favorite parts. On the other hand, watching sanding is only fun when your watching someone who knows what they are doing. Autobody work, woodworking, metal prep, are all the same if you require a good finish. Watching repetitive jobs on a yootoob content provider's channel is, IMHO, kind of the same as working in the shop myself. I watch everyone because it's part of "the job" of being a "watcher". You do the work, filming, editing and posting for our benefit, so it's our job to do the watching. Thanks for what you share with us! Do I ever fast forward? You betcha! Happy 4th of July!
@dbracer
@dbracer 3 года назад
I've never enjoyed being tricked quite as much as this time.
@zedhead2864
@zedhead2864 2 года назад
Tricked me, as well. Thanks, Dave.
@srcazier
@srcazier 3 года назад
Your commentary was excellent. You REALLY are a wealth of knowledge.
@tdkrei
@tdkrei 3 года назад
Well done Dave. I know exactly what you mean of the not so pretty part of fabrication. I am a retired manufacturing jeweler (I still practice from time to time) but from the drawing concept then wax carving, performing the burnout and then casting, filing and polishing the rewarding part was when it was done. Keep on smiling.
@RobertFay
@RobertFay 3 года назад
*- I did not know the terminology. Thank you for the tutorial, Dave.* *- You get a construction "rigger's" approval for the intelligent way of cinching a tight grip on the "Shafts" to ensure breaking can Never fail.*
@deathvalleyalex9485
@deathvalleyalex9485 3 года назад
Sir I've said it before your videos have aways been educational and entertaining. You could make a video watching grass grow or paint drying interesting and enjoyable . Again thank you for sharing a glimpse into your life and your world .
@garrockwaters304
@garrockwaters304 3 года назад
Sanding and filling is pretty mundane but very necessary. All that boring work really pays off in the end. I will keep watching till the end. I am hooked!
@SamichHunter
@SamichHunter 2 года назад
'... and I tricked you into watching sanding.' LOL. I love it. I do love it when you narrate more because I learn more. I come from a family of mechanics and body men so the primer and the sanding are all serving the same purpose. Protect the metal/wood from moisture and make it pretty. Not working with wood so much, I imagine the end caps help protect the end grain from damage as it would be harder to protect than the rest of the wood. Thank you for all the work you do to share with us. God bless and stay well my friend.
@earlledoux9824
@earlledoux9824 3 года назад
I love this channels content. Do not change a thing. Thanks for the education. Earl Connecticut
@TheAndyJBall
@TheAndyJBall 3 года назад
i just like witnessing an expert do what they do best, enjoying it where even the mundane is accepted with a sense of humour. the knowledge and experience is phenomenal, the skills vast, from smithing to word turning, from painting to uphostelery with the sole purpose, producing a beautiful work of utiliarian transport. Dave, you take the basic process and add layers of magnificence, achieving the best with little regard for the amount of effort required. just keep it up, a massive lesson for the modern world.
@scottywisely6180
@scottywisely6180 3 года назад
The names you use for these parts are exactly what I remember my Grandpa calling them on his mule team down here in Arkansas. I was young and now I wish I had paid better attention to what he was trying to teach me. Thank you so much Dave.
@davidsutton4993
@davidsutton4993 3 года назад
Thank you for naming the parts. This helps understand during my model builds.
@fordfan3179
@fordfan3179 3 года назад
You tell us what we need to know, when we need to know it! That's good enough for me!
@randlayman2668
@randlayman2668 3 года назад
There is always a few things in each form of work that is mundane or just a pain in the but must be done for the finished product or job to be completed, and bravo for having us watch sanding again, great explanation of the hitching of a buggy harness!
@cap10david
@cap10david 3 года назад
Watched the whole sanding video too, but must admit the explanations add a lot. You are never going to bore me. Let’s see some knitting next…
@rtkville
@rtkville 3 года назад
Thank you Dave for another great and informative video I also had no idea of the meticulous attention to the detailing of the finishing. This video was very interesting and enjoyable to watch, thanks again for taking the time to make this video.
@saltycreole2673
@saltycreole2673 Год назад
I'm a barber 43 years. I still love cutting hair. I don't know why I just do. As the old saying goes, if you love what you do you never feel like its work.
@Mtlmshr
@Mtlmshr 3 года назад
Well I must say that I started watching a few years ago just because I found what you do,fascinating. Being a car builder primarily race cars I get the naming of things. I can speak with a car mechanic and ask him to explain “Roll Axis” or “Scrub Radius” and the look on there face is one of amazement. Because they don’t have to know what those are because it’s not something they can go to the parts counter and get! You bring clarity to what your doing so thanks for the education!
@TheTkiller9999
@TheTkiller9999 3 года назад
I am a Wood Worker....... Sanding is the realty of that hobby ... so frankly learning the technique that you use sanding... is actually helpful... Bet most people didn't even look that far....
@SweSuf
@SweSuf 3 года назад
I passed the test, as I didn't skip anything in your previous video! As several have already mentioned it would be very interesting to see the wagon with a horse to make more sense of all the joints, hooks and straps you mentioned.
@duanelundgren7985
@duanelundgren7985 3 года назад
Thanks Again, Mr. Dave!! You might have started this video with: "Now PAY ATTENTION: There will be a Test at the End!!" :-) :-) I know *I* would have to listen several times to get a decent grade!!! Good Stuff, my Friend!! I had another thought, too: EVERY JOB turns into WORK... even if you love it! :-)
@larrykelly2838
@larrykelly2838 3 года назад
Enjoy watching and learming the history of wagons and carriages. You are preserving the knowledge and ability to build and repair these wagons amd carriages, thank you.
@jjudy5869
@jjudy5869 3 года назад
Smile...No Dave, I did not skip through any of the sanding in the last video, but I embroider, knit and quilt. It may take me months and sometimes years to finish a project. What you have shown is all part of the process you go through to get the product finished and out the door. Thanks for explaining the function of the individual pieces you were sanding.
@davidquerry8869
@davidquerry8869 3 года назад
Busted, watched sanding this week.
@artursmihelsons415
@artursmihelsons415 3 года назад
I love this explanation about parts and variety of them.. Good to know how they do things back in time. Great video! 👍
@blackandgus
@blackandgus 3 года назад
A long time ago, someone whose skill I respected taught me how to load a brush and paint, and how to give an old piece a furniture a nice finish. I learned to use a lot of different kinds of brushes for different jobs, and I got something good out of the experience. But I never learned anything about priming properly and doing a thorough, careful sanding, or why it was done the way you do it. As a result, I sure don't mind watching somebody show me how to sand, and watching you go around and over the metal fittings reminded me that they need some attention, too. So, I guess I enjoyed the sanding, and I might be ready now for a video on how to read the phone book ;)
@NoOne-yt6yf
@NoOne-yt6yf 3 года назад
Yay! More sanding!
@albertfinke5677
@albertfinke5677 3 года назад
Enjoyed the blabbing while watching video. Please continue to explain the processes you go through in your videos. Easier to understand when explained while watching. Continue the great work and videos we all really do enjoy them
@DavidSmith-zr3nd
@DavidSmith-zr3nd 3 года назад
I've been a mechanic for 38 years. There are things like tune ups that pay the bills but not very mind stimulating. Keep up the great work.
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