Tyler Herro’s Future Is Not Looking Good 

Tyler Manziel

Him and Ben Simmons, two of the goofiest dudes in the nba

Is this 2k23 and I’m playing as Tyler ?

i cant believe he impregnated a girl who has banged half the nba

I don’t really understand this. The guy got drafted in the lottery to the Miami Heat and seemingly leaned in to the “South Beach, cool guy who knows other famous ppl and lives that sort of lifestyle” kind of image once he started to have some success. It’s smart to build a brand these days if you can, and he probably hired some ppl who help you do so once he started getting a lot of social media followers and started being recognized a lot. That’d be my guess. I wish I could remember the interview now SO BADLY, but it was with an athlete. It popped in to my head while writing this, it was Kuzma. He did an interview with Draymond. Kuzma was drafted mad late in the 1st round, but obviously to LAL. He realized right away that even tho he was a later pick, he got drafted to a big market, and was a 4yr college guy not many ppl had heard of. He had that underdog appeal. Being a late FRP on a team that went 26-56 the year prior, there weren’t much expectations. He didn’t start his first 8 or so games, and they started 3-5, but he had a few solid games and started the next 11g. He averaged like 18/7.5 on good efficiency and sort of leaned in to it. Had a 30/10 game, couple 20/10’s, etc. He said something in the interview about selling merch really early on. I’m not gonna go back and watch bc it was long, but he made idk, maybe a couple to few hundred grand off that little merch pretty fast. His first year salary was about $1.4M. Take out taxes, (mad extra for being in CA) an agent, somewhere to live, all that stuff and it doesn’t go far. Once he saw he could make that kinda money his rookie year being basically a nobody, he realized how powerful branding is…and then investing etc. Idk Kuzma’s story rly. I think he’s from Flint which isn’t that far from where I live and it’s not somewhere you wanna live. Idk Herro’s story at all. I’m sure it’s way different than Kuzma’s obviously. Kuzma played 4yrs at Utah, only had a cpl D1 offers I think. Herro was a one and done at Kentucky, drafted 13th to a team that was immediately good. He played real well his rookie year including in the playoffs, especially for a rookie. Up until the finals he was playing starter mins off the bench (33.2) and put up 16.5/5.5/4, and shot 37.8% 3P on 6.5att and 89.5% FT on 2.5att. In the finals he started 5/6 games, 34.6MPG, and while his stats dipped (and of course his defense was trash) he still put up 14.7/4.2/3 and shot 36.7% 3P on 5att & 81.3% FT on 2.7att. Went to 6 games in the finals his rookie year and started 5, was def a huge contributor that whole season. Way more than anyone would expect for a rookie. Idk when he was in that music video and all that, but he leaned in to the image, and after one of the longest seasons ever he seemingly partied it up, and got kinda “famous.” He had a strong brand. Super young dude. His year 2 regular season wasn’t as bad as ppl make it out to be. People expected a huge leap, but he mostly kinda stayed stagnant. Got a bit better in some areas, and it was the shortest off season blah blah. He laid an egg in the playoffs though for sure. Kind of a weird first two years for a rookie. The bubble, then the weird next season, all the off court stuff. But it seems like he’s learned from a lot of that stuff. Obviously he just had a terrible playoffs, but he continues to get better offensively and become more efficient. Maybe that’s all he’ll ever be in the NBA is a really good high volume 3P shooter who can create a bit for himself and others, get to the rim a bit, the line, and put up points in bunches. He’s like what, 22yo? And just won 6MOTY. I don’t think anyone expected him to be a good defender when he was drafted. You’d hope by now he’d learn to be a bit better getting to the right spots, and navigating screens…but often times MIA uses a zone to hide him anyway. An ideal outcome for him would to become a starting PG. Ideally being the smallest guy in the lineup, and continue to become a better creator for others. You’d like to see other people in the lineup who can pass well too so he can play some off ball, and maybe lead the second unit. Regardless, having a strong brand is really good if you back it up on the court. In the playoffs the last cpl years he hasn’t, but in the regular season he can really fill it up and is a very good shooter at all 3 levels, mostly 3 ball and at the rim tho. Hopefully he can become more efficient and cut out some of those bad midrange jumpers, and at least slightly improve on defense. Barring injury though he’s going to be in the league for a very long time and make 100’s of millions of dollars. His brand definitely helps the earning potential. Maybe he’s not an ideal fit for MIA. They have a guy in Lowry who’s really old at this point, injury prone, and is nowhere near the guy he was on defense anymore at all. Butler plays better with the ball in his hands, and essentially refuses to help space the floor. I love Jimmy. Awesome defender, can get to the rim, the line, his spot in the midrange, set other people up, etc. But if he was someone who could just take a few C&S 3s a game when he’s off ball, he’d go from perennial All-Star to perennial All-NBA. It really hurts to have both him and Bam not be able to space the floor. I’m not saying it has to be both, but it being neither is TOUGH. Anyway that’s enough of a tangent. I don’t even rly like Herro lol. I’m not a MIA fan at all. I just think there’s nothing wrong with buying in to the off the court stuff. Kuzma did it and is making way more $ for himself. It took him a long time to realize what his role is on the court. It’s only been 4yrs of ball for Herro including NCAA. Kuzma played 4 at college. You still see him wearing that weird pink sweater and stuff. Hopefully Herro will find his place in the league…but saying he “chose fame” over something better life in the NBA is a joke. Do you really think he’d be some superstar two way player right now if he didn’t post on IG and do whatever it is that he does? That’s what I don’t get.

hehe “especial”

@@spaghettisauce445 That's a big if tbh

He needs to leave that organization ASAP and bet on himself like James Harden did when he was in okc.. I don't think he'll ever get a starting role in Miami and will be pigeon-holed as a six man

Facts

doesnt matter if he has a lot to prove...he's still a terrible defender. BBQ chicken in the playoffs.

They dont overpay him. They paid his hardwork. Remember tyler johnson. Thats how they attract undrafted rookies. They work hard and they will get their pay.

@@chowchowdeoro2885 I understand that but in hindsight relative to market value it was an overpay. I ain’t mad he took the bag but the Heat crippled themselves financially by doing that. Good for him though he worked hard as an undrafted player for this.

@@chowchowdeoro2885 doesnt change the fact they severely overpaid them, miami will never win a ring until robinsons contract expires

@@mangobananana This is really silly. Miami may not win a ring in the next 4 seasons, but it’s not necessarily bc they overpaid Duncan Robinson by like $6M a year or something. He makes like $18M. If he made $12M, he’d be a totally fine guy to have off your bench that can shoot like 40% on extremely high volume from 3. Especially with the cap continuing to rise at a significant level. If they don’t win a ring it’ll be because Bam didn’t progress enough, Lowry is too old, and they lost important role players like PJ Tucker. A lot of championship winning teams have had overpaid players on their books. Tristan Thompson sure as hell wasn’t worth whatever he was making back then. There’s a difference between having someone overpaid that’s making like…12% of your payroll, and someone that’s making damn near 30% of it or whatever Russ is making. Obviously it wasn’t a good contract. I’m not sure why they gave it out, especially when they’ve always been so good at finding guys like Max Strus, Caleb Martin, etc. i guess they underrated how big of an impact his bad defense would have in toughest rounds in the playoffs. Also if they really need to get off of his contract in a couple years, they’ll be able to. It’s not like he has to be on the roster for 4yrs. His final year is like $19.888M or something like that with only $9.888M gtd. So they could waive and stretch him before his final year and instead of 9.888 on their books that year, it’d be 1/3 of that for the next 3. Also since the last year is only half gtd or so, it makes it easier to trade than if it was fully gtd. If in two years they want to make a trade involving like Duncan and two 1sts for a solid player, that’ll definitely be an option. GSW just won a ring. Wiseman is overpaid like crazy. He’s making like $10M or something and he doesn’t even play, but they still won a ring! Crazy!

It was less that he was unplayable and more that they found a guy who does everything he does and more. The problem is that teams viewed him as having something wrong with him after that so his trade value tanked. In an offensive minded league thst loves 3s he should be worth something of value.

Possibly. The draft picks don’t solely have to come from your team. Trading Herro(+) to a 3rd team for a higher value pick or 2, is an easy scenario to get Trader Danny what he really wants. Pat Riley knows how to make 3 & 4 team trades work for everyone.

@@cjwrench07 if Hero wasn't going to the Jazz what players were you providing? The Jazz wanted picks plus players. Lowry is too old and Robinson is not even worth his contract.

False, Danny ainge and pat riley have a 20+ year beef going on lol Danny ainge was never going to do business with the heat lol why the fuck would he give Pat Riley a star player for a discount? lol the heat was never a possibility.

@@almac9203 When Robinson is shooting well he is so important to a championship team. A few players like him on perimeter are essential to winning chips.

@@AtlanticCanadianAstronomy Robinsons only value is his shooting because he offers nothing else to a team. His shooting last season wasn't good thus his value to a team is very limited. Robinson is not worth his contract because his shooting doesn't justify the money he is owed. He is the Heat's version of David Bertans. Shooters need to hit their shots to justify their salary and Robinson didn't do that.

I'm a nets fan and Idk why people still have expectations of Kyrie to do anything. He never made the playoffs before LeBron returned to Cleveland, and since he joined Boston everything till present has just been disappointing. Let's face it. My team isn't a contender. We're pre-tenders. I still can't believe we have a rookie no experience coach as our head coach 🤦🤦

@@ColdHoops Because next season, Kyrie’s legacy and basketball career is on the line. His reputation is dead, even Nets fans don’t believe in him, as expected of Nets fans. Teams won’t pay him the max. Kyrie will be on his best behavior and heavily incentivized to play the best basketball of his life next season. It is the only way Kyrie will be able to mend his reputation and get paid.

Zion just has to play enough games & he'll dominate... everyone else has something to prove on the floor

Keldon Johnson

@@demetriuscolburn252 and that's huge. Zion has to prove that he could actually be on the floor🤣

Performing is one thing. How far Miami advance is another thing.

@@ColdHoops I say to third round

That's what I thought the Knicks should've done with RJ too. Should've had him prove he was worth a big contract then resign next off season when the contracts up.

@@Dnero518 cant blame them they got no stars to pay their cash so they just give it to rj

@@Dnero518 absolitelynot, they got RJ locked up for wayyyy under the max, he gave them a hell of a deal in terms of actual market value, what he could have held out for, and with where the nba salary cap is too g to explode during his contract. The second RJ would willingly and without complaint take significantly less than the max and not even have to fight him over it! The knicks absolutely had to lock that down. I’m not a big rj fan and def not a knicks fan, but that deal was a no brainer. Now if he was being colon sexton last summer and publicly fighting for the rookie max and offering very little wiggle room, then nope see ya next summer

Overpayed as Poole

Poole has a ring though

That's exactly what they're asking for This is also the same bum ass fan base that hyped up justice Winslow and Josh Richardson

As a Heat fan I tell you, I don't understand why Herro is so criticized.. He is a 20 plus shooting guard in a team who play for the title.... What haters fans want I don't know...

No wonder why they can't make it to the finals

He's gonna be there best scorer this year as well. Butler had a good playoffs but if Herro isn't playing they can't score enough. He's a bucket.

@@Lo-64937 and if Herro is in the court, the best scorer is always in the other team

@@WalterModel45 nobody plays defense in the NBA or cares that's why they score 120 a game and you're talking about being a defender that's hilarious.

He was ass before he got hurt.

@@Kosher93 He was on the injury report for legit the whole playoffs. Left ankle, hip then groin

@@JulberPajares4 Herro was not on the injury report going into the ECF. Even in the second round he was only listed questionable in game 1 because of a late illness and had 2 solid games v the Sixers then Doc basically said they were gonna focus more on him and he did nothing the rest of the series. In the first round he’s not listed on any injury report. Bam Morris Caleb Jimmy Lowry Gabe and PJ are all listed in multiple games in round one.

Nice!! Thanks Nam!

My point was that Heat fans were upset…so Tyler tweeted “keep the same energy”

@@AMHoops ​ they didn’t have the picks for mitchell or james harden, neither had anything to do with herro not being included. also, you said herro was acting like a rockstar after the bubble, how? by dating a girl he was dating… before the bubble? where’s the integrity? you mentioned herro’s horrible 2021 against milwaukee… would you say jimmy butler and the entire heat team thought they were rockstars too? or did they get outplayed? cut the narrative and pay attention for yourself.

@@AMHoops "Keep the same Energy", Is about as tame a reply to people wanting you traded as you can get. It's actually a compliment to people who wanted him sold out of there. Whats his name in New York gives fingers to the fans, this guy is saying bring the same energy cause we gonna give you something you do want.(rather that's true or not is a different story)

@@kaleb324 Lemme start by saying I’m not a MIA fan. I’m a DET fan so I have no bias in this particular situation. I unsubbed from this guy a while ago bc he simply makes poor content. Clickbait-y titles, basically yells every video at the mic, and presents whatever narrative he chooses for whatever reason, and ignores all context to the contrary in presenting that narrative. It’s a really corny way to make videos. It is what it is. There are SO many good NBA content creators on YT. I wish he’d stop showing up on my feed tho. Eventually his fanbase will get sick of him, or he’ll end up like the YT less extreme version of Skip Bayless or something. There are too many to name, but shout out to guys like KOT4Q, Thinking Basketball, Sam Vecenie, Nate Duncan, Danny Leroux, AFunkyDiabetic, Dom2K, FlemLo Raps, Secret Base, GETLIKECOOP, Rusty Buckets, Clique, JxmyHighroller, BBALLBREAKDOWN and SOOO many more I wish I could remember them off the top of my head.

@@BOnYTB cade’s gonna ball out this year, i like the rookie you guys got too.

didn’t show much playoff potential last year?

What has he done in the playoffs to give you the impression he has playoff potential? Lol

Signing him won't magically make him reach that potential. If you mean he might reach it during his new contract, then thats quite a risk to bet on a player that wants to be a celebrity

Nah he only performed with no fans and hasnt with fans. therefore he isnt

His “playoff potential” is to be: Joe Harris (Lite) A horrible defensive liability, who shoots worse the deeper the run.

Time flies quick. Only 3 years ago, Tatum was 19 now he's 25 🤷‍♂️

Miami is a win now team not “wait till he’s older”

oh so he was a bubble fraud then as tautm kindly put it

@@ColdHoops wtf

@@sorinn7894 Miami ain’t winning shit regardless so why rush the rebuild?

Duncan’s a bum at best

​@@whaleking6445 👀

@@whaleking6445 define bum

How did he improve? He went from 37% to 31%, to 22% from 3 in the playoffs, *and* somehow his defense has also gotten worse year on year too (opposite of most young players). Herro basically has the same defensive stats as old WestBrook. That’s good enough for a small market like OKC/Minn/NOLA, but not a team trying to be a real contender.

I disagree look up his stats every year more point, more minutes played, more assist, more rebound, can he improve his defense I think he can. Look at where Tatum was at at 22 vs Herro. Weather he stay or goes he is going to get paid. Pat Riley and Spo will make the best decision for the team. Look up his stats, you will see. Better than RJ since RJ has been in the NBA he’ll yeah. Would the Heat have been # 1 seed last year without him? No. Jimmy was hurt Lowry was hurt Bam was hurt. Herro got them to the playoffs. Could have done better but they were through more looks in transitions on him. He will have a big year and if the Heat does not sign him. I would go someone that leadership could value a good player. Time will tell.

@@cjwrench07 you’d throw up if you looked up playoff numbers vs reg season on a year to year basis of players who arent legit superstars. have some perspective.

@@kaleb324 basic year on year stats are meaningless except for superstars. For everyone else the advanced metrics are what to look at. It’s like looking at Klay’s playoff performance during the Durant years. Basic numbers look like KD was worth more to the team. *But* the advanced stats show him as more efficient than KD on offence, and way more valuable 1v1 & help defence. Then you look at this past playoffs advanced statistics where Wiggins, Porter, and *especially* Payton Jr were all more efficient & productive per/minute & per 100 possessions than Klay. Then you can also look at Nerlens Noel, he’s been in the same defensive categories as “great prospect” Jarret Allen for the past 2yrs. Yet, Nerlens Noel is a barely 9mil/yr Center, who doesn’t pout when plays are not run for him on offence; and more specifically opposing players shoot *10%* lower when he’s defending them 1v1 or is the help defender.. That’s like going from LeBron’s +50% at the rim, to Westbrook & Herro’s ~40% at the rim.

that's the regular season mane, He needs to step it up big time in post season

He was trash in playoffs

@@topalovicbih1582 idk what game you be watchin lol

@@massagingthisdick ? reply wasn't for you

@@topalovicbih1582 oh sorry mane, im drunk lol

He is too inconsistent, folds in the playoffs shooting bricks. Trade him while he still has some value.

@@bbginc694 The guy was injured in the playoffs. He averaged 21/5/4 on 45/40/87 when he was healthy in the regular season...

@@bbal9678 regular season

@@dleoner1 so why is Tyler held to this playoff standard but not other young players like rj barrett?

@@dleoner1 We gonna act like he didn't dominate the 2020 playoffs?

They signed Lowry as a fa

@@dkarmusic5424 still wasted their money.

"They're obviously not going to pay him what he wants"

@@boxbarry8061 It's not a max, you don't think he wanted the max?

The Miami Heat ARE in win-now mode. You guys were a Jimmy Butler missed 3-pointer away from basically making it to another NBA Finals. Make no mistake about it, Pat Riley wants to win now.

@@vexotimmer2675 if they went to the finals they would have lost …HORRIBLY might i Add

One of the highest shooting % in the league? He shot 37% last year. 36 is league average. He can only do one thing, was barely above average at it, and is bad at everything else. He would’ve played himself completely out of the rotation if the Heat didn’t want to avoid tanking his trade value so they could dump his contract in the off-season. He never turned it around and finally gave the job to Struss much later than deserved. And he didn’t kill Atlanta. He had a single ridiculous game 1 where he went 9/10. Obviously very impressive. But he was 2/10 the rest of the series. Duncan absolutely has elite shooting talent but he’s always been short on confidence, so I guess it’s not impossible he turns it around. His first season he was incredible at almost 45% on high volume. But he has declined by a full 4% each of the past two years. Last year’s version of Duncan should be nowhere near a NBA rotation.

@@abarkins I agree he has seen some challenges as of late, and maybe the big contract he got messed with his mental a bit, but knowing what he can do If he gets in the lab with Jimmy learning to get his defense to be elite, he can be lite version of klay Thompson, the potential is there but I think just needs a slight confidence boost, any team would pick him up because of how valuable 3's are. But I agree his game is 1 dimensional and limits what he can do at the moment keep in mind the kid is really really young into his nba career.

@@losttyrant7482 His percentage dropped to 40.8% his 2nd year before he ever got that contract. There’s tons of role players that can shoot that while actually doing other things. It was his 44.6% first year that was special, and his 3 point proficiency that year more than made up for his limitations. The Heat gave him the contract hoping he was closer to year 1 Duncan, but he actually ended up being much worse than year 2. And he can’t just lab up being a good defender bc Jimmy is his teammate when he has none of the physical tools. He doesn’t have good lateral mobility, strength, or athleticism in general. He’s 28 now. He’s only young into his NBA career bc of how old he was as a rookie. But he’s very far from “really really young.” If he was going to make any significant improvement on D where comparing him to a (non injury riddled) Klay wasn’t ridiculous, it would’ve already happened. Klay def wasn’t the most athletic guy in the world but he had a foundation that Duncan could only dream of. We actually have seen Duncan improve on defense every year. He obviously works on it, but the improvements have been incremental and there won’t be any significant jump at this point. What you’ve seen is essentially what you’ll get. I can assure Duncan will always be a negative defender. The path to him resurrecting his career is getting his 3 point shot back into the 42-45% range. That’s his bread and butter and the only reason he ever had a career. Shooting a percentage like he did his first season created gravity towards him that stressed defenses and made them always have to pay attention to him at all times. But if he’s just another 40% 3 point shooter, he’s a less well rounded poor man’s Max Struss.

@@abarkins agreed, but again he can have some explosive bursts like he did against Charlotte last year in double OT and like he did against the Hawks in the playoffs, I think he's worth keeping for now and let him get his confidence back, he'll be torching defenses again soon

@@abarkins BRO!!!!! "Only 3s matter"; sod EVERYTHING ELSE basketball involves!!

GSW already have Jordan Poole who is the same player.

No

@@almac9203 and warriors have more young guys

Nah, he’s a role player at best. Man’s overrated asf

@@whaleking6445 how?

Harden is a proven playoff choker.

That's disrespectful but you do you

It’s disrespectful to wait to offer? Or to not offer the max?

@@skddgsshootawahmyn8mewhtha865 dude i didn't even mention the terrible D. Herro gets killed by 16 year old chinese kids lile their steph curry or somethinge 😆

@@williamwong3379 he's like 22 years old but he's already an All-Star level player. I can't sit here and throw laugh emojis and laugh with you when Michael Porter Jr is on a Max and John Collins is getting 30 million dollars a year. Tyler has to bet on himself like James Harden did and leave before he gets pigeonholed as only a six man. You have a servitude to whoever gets paid and you justify it from there, like most NBA fans do… it's the reason everyone is clowning cam reddish now. But if Tyler goes to another team and is given the keys he will be an All-Star at the least and a potential top 10 player

No, he has a lot to prove as well. Spo benched him in the playoffs altogether!