TYRANIDS (40k) vs. THE FLOOD (Halo) | Who Would Win? 

EckhartsLadder I had to find this video not in my subs, but in the recommendation on another unrelated video. And not even the top one...you had one job youtube

I am starting to watch the video...the big question is not who would win, but how you managed to make a video of 14 minutes about one of the most obvious questions... the floods would win, they are by far the most OP biological '' monster" in sci-fi , beside "The thing" which is superior because the flood supercell seems to have some problem of sort infecting some creatures (hunters, and Spartan 1s). Still good job dude.

+EckhartsLadder Here's what you should do, EckhartsLadder. *1. Imperial II Star Destroyer (Star Wars) vs Lucrehulk-class Droid Control Ship (Star Wars)* *2. Imperial II Star Destroyer (Star Wars) vs Romulan D'deridex-class, B-type Warbird (Star Trek)* *3. Tempest Shadow (My Little Pony: The Movie) vs Darth Vader (Star Wars)* *4. Darth Sidious/Palpatine (Star Wars) vs Mewtwo (Pokemon)* *5. Leatherhead (TMNT 2003) vs Wampa (Star Wars) aka "Could Leatherhead protect Luke against a Wampa?"* *6. What if Master Splinter (TMNT 2003) was a Jedi?* *7. Cyberdyne Systems/Skynet (The Terminator franchise) vs Umbrella Corporation (Resident Evil franchise)* Please do these ones.

Necromorphs would actually be a more interesting challenge for both Flood and the Thing...the trasmition of the infection in Dead Space seems to be correlated not to mere biological contact but also to sound, radiation or some form telepathy.

Pierluigi Adreani Funny that you mentioned The Thing because I was gonna recomend John Carpenters The Thing vs The Star Wars universe

The flood wouldnt really be able to infect the Tyranids so no, it'd be over for the flood.

The Orks will somehow get on in there

But the flood genetics is so complicated and absolutely alien to anything that's known in the Halo universe that even the Forerunners couldn't devise a cure from the infection. The Precursors were literal trans-dimensional beings, who could cross the distance between Galaxies in like seconds and reduce themselves to atomic dust as a form of hibernation, which is kind of what started their corruption into the Flood, but that involved a whole lot factors. If anything, copying the genetics of the Flood would outright impossible for the Tyrannids, and the fact the Flood would easily be able to infect a lesser Tyranid form means they will eventually be able to potentially eradicate the Tyrannids from the face of the Galaxy, if not Universe.

@@physical_insanity The old ones could do the same things brah, more or less. Saying the flood has a complicated genetic make-up is irrelevant. They're still biological lifeforms and again, we're putting them against a universe in which literal gods exist. There are races that were able to develop technology that can manipulate time itself and manipulate the very stars of the galaxy. Some can even transcend reality and here comes a primordial race. A race that has consumed countless galaxies, is the very personification of evolution itself and knows no limit in how it obtains its goal of consuming all biological matter. Time and time again they've adapted to all the 40k universe has thrown at them with one such thing being a plague that was concocted by the literal god of plague and disease and overcame it like it was a common cold. They are the Tyraninds, and a parasite such as the flood would funnily enough be washed away as if it was nothing by the Tyranids. The Tyranids would indeed be able to adapt to the flood and yes, even assimilate the floods DNA.

​@@quentinsavage1123 >The old ones could do the same things So fucking what? They're still inferior to the Precursors, because last I checked the Old Ones couldn't just shift dimensions in the blink of an eye with nothing but their physical forms. Hell, it's even unknown if they even needed physical forms, given the sheer degree of their trans-sentience. This is fucking redundant, don't bring it up again. You literally have no basis for your claim that the Tyrannids would be able adapt to the Flood in any way except for the fact "40k has gods," and "they've eaten entire galaxies," like that actually proves anything. Dude, the Forerunners were the masters of the Milky Way, creation of literally anything was within their grasp and yet in their prime they still couldn't concoct a cure when they could literally control genetics like they were putting a puzzle together. They're literally incompatible with any natural ecosystem, it's a complete takeover of the organic material or they get exterminated. The Precursors had the ability to create life, genuine, pure life, transcend dimensions and shape reality in such a way that it was like playing with marbles, meanwhile what similar feats have the Chaos Gods displayed? Nothing, all they've done has been a mimicry of what the Precursors are capable of and you expect me to believe the Tyrannids would eat the Flood because they adapted to a disease created by a lesser god? Yeah right, if anything the logic plague will make short work of the Tyrannids. It's known that "organic" material from Chaos entities offers the Tyranids no nourishment, and thusly seriously seem unlikely to have ever adapted to Chaotic forces, so it's very likely they can't even adapt to it at all. There's no way the Tyrannids would easily stomp the Flood, not when the Flood is extremely adaptable itself and incredibly virulent and volatile. Take your head out of your ass, you're so eager to declare victory right at the starting gun that you're easily biased.

FOR THE EMPEROR! FOR THE INQUISITION! WE SHALL KNOW NO FEAR

FOR THE IMPERIUM!!!

Death to the false emperor. Embrace the necrosis and rejoice; Grandfather Nurgle loves you.

@@HiveCat666 Burn Heretic!!

The Pleasure Room why not sit back and enjoy the pustulant mirth? For our gene father Mortarion and Nurgle’s blessings

That was my thought, I could see the flood being a weapon of nurgle more than a race of it's own.

Irrelevant12 ??? Nurgle would love the shit out of the flood!

Nurgle would g o d n u t just from looking at a Flood Warmoon

You know the flood can infect anything that has a nervous system or just in general if the flood gets a grave mind every faction would lose very badly except for what ever faction nurgle is in

Stupidfun 12_5 Good job metaphysical entities don’t have brains or nervous systems then.

Whoever wins, the Galaxy is screwed

It would be an interesting battle between nihilus and theflood and the tryranids

It would probably depend on the nature of the Tyranid hivemind. What if their psychic abilities do not come from their biology, but from the organization of their species?

I would say that if the Flood took control of a Tyrannid connected to the hivemind, it would just disconnect it so the Flood couldn’t affect it. If the Flood were to do that, they would however gain abilities from the Tyrannids, and the same if the Tyrannids did, and they would probably keep them, so no matter who wins, they will probably partially merge, taking some traits from the other and the universe is most definitely screwed no matter who wins.

@@BuilderB08 so, an endless battle?

+Proffesional idiot Add the *_Hunger Virus_* from Marvel Zombies and that shit will give even Chaos nightmares

Proffesional idiot and make them combine with the necromorphs alongside the Lambent lol 😂

Worst part is there is a possibility that they could combine.

Then just SPAM EXTERMINATUS!!!

And the fcking zergs

true that

The doom of mal'antai

​@@arkar5945 poor eldars man

They actually do that, against Khornate forces, they tend to make a lot of elite bioforms to win a bunch of 1v1s, because they know Khorne's forces will take that fight, "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." -Napoleon Bonaparte.

I imagine they could harden carapce shells to be beyond what the infection could get through. Adapt filtration systems and create a digestive track that eliminates all possibility of infection.

The Great BOI so do you oven bake it or microwave it?

TreyTrey22 nah you fry it

Like Yakult.

Intelligent fungi

The Nids adapt rather quickly, and would notice that the food is unsafe, and needs cleansing. They would probably start producing ripper swarms that dissolve their food with acid before shallowing it.

Revive the fucking forerunners and build additional 100+ giant hula hoop of death

@@tsarbombawithinternetconne875 Or just get Orikan the Diviner to "unkill" them in the first place.

Not even that worked tho....

jump through the warp as the rings fire and you live through it :)

They wouldn't, the Tyranids would overcome the flood and then just consume them.

Tau aren't OP because they've had millennia less to develop and advance though. They're also the faction that comes closest to pacifism, which naturally leads to weaker military strength.

@@AxeBearingVoyager they're actually pretty op, their fire warriors are as strong as spacemarines or even stronger (what kind of heresy is this?), but as you said, their race is quite young, meaning they don't have a strong population and foothold in the milky-way galaxy

@@Axrector yeah there's a lot of debate around the actual power of the tau, but i believe that it is their potential as a species that makes them quite dangerous. They've only been around a short while and have already created technology and an economy which would rival any imperial colony, but as of right now, who knows? Unfortunately their relatively small size and theoretically inferior troops do seem to put them, at a disadvantage against the other races

They're op for your basic sci fi. They aint nothing for upper tier sci fi. The precursers of halo would lol stomp any of them. There are sci fi universes that wouldnt even notice them (the photino birds would accelerate their galaxy to .99c and chuck it at something on the other side of the universe then ignore them). In the scale of things they are 6/10.

The Tyranids would win unless if the flood started out by consuming other factions first. But yes they are powerful and they have many in numbers, so if the flood came in and started trying to infect the tyranids would win. Depends on chance of where the flood spores land to see if they win. So Its really buy chance, it depends on the scenario. If they land and take a smart and advanced faction by surprise, they can kill the tyranids.

I dont think precursor tech is any better than The tech of the old ones... In fact i would not be suprised IF the precursors were based on the old ones to begin with.

I don’t know if the old ones could throw galaxies like ping pong balls.

​@@KoJeTsCornerthere is not enough info to do a accurate precursor, old one comparison, however, it's not like the Tyranids can make end game tech, however the flood can

@@mindclaw915 Tyranids literally can make end game tech, with biomorphs, there doesn't really seem to be a limit on what these biomorphs can ultimately become, not to mention Their mode of deep space travel is so devastating to arrival location it causes horrible natural disasters and completely disrupt the entire systems gravity WHILE moving to the location.

@@KoJeTsCorner the flood has perfect grasp of forerunner tech, and has been shown to improve on it. (High Charity traveling to the ark being a major example)

That's so true!

Yes, they both have the same goal: gather and assimilate/destroy all sentient life.

@@Fire4ward That's the Flood's goal. The Tyranids don't care about sentience or sapience, they only care about biomass.

@@BigMikeMcBastard Yeah they just wanna eat.

the only issue would be which hivemind would be in control, because the flood is basically a parasite, i think it would more likely be the flood would take over the Tyranide's hivemind and use them as a tool to rapidly evolve. in a way i think it would really only benefit the flood.

Combat forms, when they take over a host, increase the hosts combat capabilities by a large margin. If a spartan were ever infected(thank god its never happened) would be an unstoppable killing machine.

Tyranids aren't actually that strong compared to everything else in the 40k universe. a single lasgun shot can kill most basic tyranid forms, but the reason the tyranids win is because a single tyranid form is nothing compared to the sheer amount of tyranids behind it. although it would be horrifying to see a hierophant class bio-titan infected by flood lmao.

@@bingo1627 and some ultra smurfs beat them

The tyranids wouldnt be able to be infected I cba to explain it all lore wise. Look it up

Keep in mind, there are still optimal versus suboptimal traits that a body can have for production of Combat forms. Take Jackals. Weak, frail bodies more designed for skill than power, with minimal repurposable equipment that is at odds with Flood combat styles anyways. The Flood CAN turn them into combat forms, it's just not worth doing as long as string, healthy human, elite, and brute bodies are available. The Tyranids have the ability to make all of their morphs so minimally useful to the Flood. That's assuming, if course, that the Tyranids don't get more creative and deploy morphs without central nervous systems, or morphs that work as mass collectives, mirroring the functionally uninfestable Hunter worm colonies. The Tyranids could also use sequential morphs to counter the bodies the Flood have the greatest numbers of (deploying morphs with blades, for example, then following those up with morphs that have shaped blade catchers on their carapace, then following those up with morphs possessing grappling hooks to snag those armor pieces). Basically, the Flood have a huge disadvantage in this fight, where the Turanids get to make all of the Flood's deployment decisions, and outside of Pure forms, there's really not much the Flood can do about that. If the Tyranids decide to deploy a bunch of frail, spindly creatures with barely any muscle tissue, with distended bellies full of a symbiotic, central-nervous system free parasite that produces bio acid and relies on an endocrine system created by the living, healthy tyranid morph to survive, then the Tyranids get portable acid throwers, while the Flood get pathetic melee combatants liable to snap their own arms when they attack, and there's nothing The Flood can do about it. They can't just use these bodies for biomass, because then the Flood has nothing deployed, they can't rely on these combat forms for combat, since they're at such a meaningful disadvantage. There's also the problem that Tyranids get essentially a full return on scrap biomass, while the Flood can only use it partially. If the Tyranids douse a battlefield in digestive juices, the Flood might get no bodies, period, and only be able to use what they collect as biomass, which again means The Flood rapidly runs out of soldiers, while the Tyranids face no such problem.

They can if the tyranids have a sufficiently advanced neural system.

Infinite Choices the tyranids I think would be susceptible at first but given how the tyranids evolve they wouldn't be vulnerable forever.

The real question is how the Tyranid Hive Mind works. If it a collective consciousness where each member of the Tyranids contributes to the overall mind, the Flood may be able to gather enough intelligence to be able to make a Gravemind and its other horrifying creations. But if the Hive Mind is a separate intelligence that merely controls all of the Tyranids then the Flood might not be able to gather enough intelligence to fight back effectively.

Connor Brennan the tyranid hive mind is the later from what I've learned

Connor Brennan the tyranids also have the shadow in the warp which could jam a graveminds ability to telepathically communicate which means the flood would need alternate means of communication

As much as I wish that were tru tyranids have decimated the waaaaagh

Clagan - odd comment, since the orks are going as strong as ever in 40k

Blue Dwarf yeah but there was a battle that the tyranid fleet leviathan I think beat the entire waaagh

Clagan - are you referring to the octarius wars? Because, firstly, thats not the entirety of the orks. Thats just a heavily concentrated empire of the orks. And secondly, while the orks were initially losing, after the arrival of the Great Green Prophet Ghaghzkull Mag Uruk Thraka, the war has been going the way of the WAAAGH!!!

@@clagan-1971 im pretty sure i read somewhere that orks can do some weird shit that shouldnt be possible like "orange paint on bomb make bigger boom" and then it works?

I agree, and thats before we even get to an elephant in the room everyone seems to miss. The flood use SENTIENT life. Tyranids are just feral animals driven by the hive mind. The only things they have that might be considered sentient are hive tyrants up.

Not to mention don't the tyranids poison the atmosphere after a while...

The Tyranids even have a whole hive fleet (Kronos) dedicated to fighting* chaos, the immaterium and closing holes in reality.

Erik Hoss that's the thing just touching the flood can infect you. When the early humans started putting the dust on their pets the food was created. So if the nids try to use the flood spore into their biomass the flood would win just by taking over the hive fleet

War Rabbit thats the thing though, by design the tyranids never fall for the same trick twice, if the flood gain control of one hive ship, theyll never get another, and the tyranids will have all the info they'll ever need to avoid future infection and counters, viral plagues created by the imperium barely work for just a while, what hope would the flood have for infection?

A Bundle Of Sticks worst case ever? A Flood, Nercomorph, Xenomorph, Thing ( from The Thing film ), Symbiote ( Venom/Carnage type) and Tyranide Symbiote....Worst scenario ever

Luke Sabaton nvm that's more spooky

@@lukesabaton5469 If I'm being honest, The Thing, Tyranids, and the flood are all the worst, they are unkillable, everlasting, extremely deadly, and can assimilate everything.

@@stinkbugs8131 even the symbiote are tough as hell, and imagine a living thing infected by all of them

Not to mention that the nids are not sentient, can adapt to be immune to flood infestation (a scenario like that happened in lore where nurgle, the god of diseases, plagues, and decay) attempted to infect them, and they literally became immune to the parasite, and adapted it for their own purposes almost immediately. Add to it, the fact that the tyranids consume all biomass, not just sentient life forms, do not need to rely on others in order to rise in intelligence from brainless zombie -> galactic threat, plus half a dozen other things not mentioned here, and this instantly becomes a landslide for nids.

Sir Durph Tyranids are controlled by a star system spanning immortal god entity that found immunity Vs THE god of infection and decay. What's the flood going to do crash ships into a god entity to force infection? Halo 3 shows how stupid and how bad flood tactics were. In fact what ships do the flood even produce? You would need silentium level flood to even see the flood winning. You are butchering lore just making that statement. Then including half of halo to make this assertion.

Tyranids have consumed countless galaxies. Imagine you(our galaxy) are in a big dark room(intergalactic space). and you turn on a light bulb above you only to see a spider infestation(Tyranids)all around in all directions and theyre closing in on you in seconds(thousands of years).

murdamomurda Mere tendrils of single fleets consume galaxies. It's written in one book how if all the fleets came together, there would be a phychic presence large enough to drown out the choas realm and ACTUAL god's. Flood only became a threat facing an AI dependent foe in the foreunners. Vs the on site evolving Tyranids - they are simply food after the first waves meet.

@@jammin1881 "Halo 3 showed how bad their tactics were" then talk to him about lore, lul. The flood took an AI DESIGNED to fight the flood, the smartest AI their was and turned it against them. The flood too, adapt to whomever they're trying to kill. Instantly being able to mutate on the spot. The flood also, when assimilating, gain the knowledge, ALL of the knowledge of whomever they consume, so the flood would know Everything about ths Tyranids and what it was against. The flood as a whole, literally has the knowledge of EVERYONE on its side. Knowledge is never lost with the flood. Let's say 1 gravemind dies, the knowledge it had is not gone. It is shared forever. So whenever the next gravemind pops up thousands of years later, it still knows everything the last one did. Also you talked about them fighting off the infection, you're wrong there too. The flood would kill them via physical abuse, then consume their body, rather than infecting their physical being. They dont HAVE to do it via inhaling or the little flood boys that crawl around (I forget their name). The flood is infinitely smarter when it gets to be on a larger scale. The flood would've wiped out the ENTIRE galaxy if it weren't for the forerunners using the rings which btw, destroyed ALL organic/sentient life. I agree the Tyranids are easily would be the floods strongest opponent, but if it was put into the warhammer galaxy for example, the flood would win in my opinion. If it was a 1v1 in a galaxy with only the flood and tyranid, starting on equal grounds, then the tyranids would have a much better chance. The flood imo would win most times.

They did need help from the necrons though Edit: Spelling.

@@Blynat One example is when the necrons ally with the Blood Angels during the Gehenna Campaign. They were in a stalemate until Tyranids came along and they just allied to defeat them. Apparently it is mention in the 5th edition codex of the Blood Angels

Who said that the tyranids can nom nom nom the flood? They wil infect themselfs.

Infinite Choices The tyranids have really good immune systems. They could attack the flood without getting infected. If the flood manually infect them tho it would be a different story

The flood might not be able to infect the tyranids, it all depends if they have a sufficiently advanced neural system or not.

Infinite Choices based off the lore i have found in the past couple years, they do have a sufficient nervous system to infect though there are examples where they have removed the nervous system. Aka, the flood could infect till the tyranids adapt. Then the foood has to go the long way of breaking down the bio matter and making pure forms. Losing valuable time. Now....a race that dosent have an immune system is the Orks. And they love to eat fungus and spread via spores. XD Would be a very interesting matchup.

Jeff Willsea Yh, but flood supercells are very good at their job. Also I'm sure once the flood gained intelligence, they'd also have spore mountains on the way which would bolster infection tremendously.

true but a Tyranid warrior is equal so most space marines according to lore and a space marine is pretty similar to a spartan in overall power. the difference is there are very few flood spartans but a Tyranid warrior is one of the cheaper units at the hive minds Disposal and they can just be made in a matter of hours.

~Looking to their black lifeless eyes I saw a crearure whith no soul, just pure and terrible inteligence; and behind it, the iron will of its leader. I could even feel the presence of such progenitor, evaluating me coldly from the emptyness that those eyes show me. And looking depper, to the hidden places of the alien mind, i percived what i im only capable of describe as an inmmortal hunger. We can eliminate the tyranids in our worlds, destroy their fleets in space, transform their hives in ashes, but ¿Its hunger? No. Finish whit their hunger surpases our capabilities~ Varro Tigurius, librarian of the ultramarines (Sry for the traduction if its bad)

"Kill me or release me parasite, but do not waste my time with talk." - Arbiter

Omnomnomnomnom - Hive Mind Steve.

Bruce Jedi Lee the planet turns into a large party balloon that travels to the next planet and turns it into a party balloon

whatever planet the Tyranids land on gets drained of every type of useful material even the oceans and atmosphere itself will be drained from the planet...

Yeah, that would happen regardless. The Tyranids show up, they consume all the organic matter, as well as the atmosphere and oceans. The planet is left a barren rock. Only stone remains.

*galaxy

Justin Cartwright they use some rock (sometimes entire worlds for the space-borne ones) as armour for some of the bulkier tank-like unit at least last time i read their lore...

idk about that one, the tyranids shadow in the warp completely nullifies psychic powers in its vicinity, and the hivemind is hyper inteligent aswell

@@GY4R4DOS I mean silentium flood managed to cripple a civilization that would stomp DAoT humanity so badly that its only solution was to basically wipe the entire galaxy of all life 🤷‍♂️

I think the Flood, even in advanced stages, stand no chance against the Tyranids

@@GY4R4DOS Shadow in the Warp nullifies Warp based psychic powers, Neural Physics isn’t warp based so Shadow in the Warp wouldn’t affect it.

The thing is both are led by hyper intelligent hiveminds. The Tyranid one controls every single Tyranid across multiple galaxies at any moment, and the Flood one is pretty much the same if I remember correctly

That guardsman would have made a great adeptus asertes

I'd like to see this one too.

Only if

The Flood are basically corrupted gods or at least their willpower. Not even Forerunners weren't able to find a cure against them. The only real solution to slow down the infection is by poison and destroy your body before the flood can use it against your fellow warriors, that being said even with that the flood can still use the biomass to get more warriors but it takes time. So unless the tyranid hivemind can figure that out, there is no real solution to the flood but destroy the planet.

@@Nick-st4hb Eh they still didn't have access to things like Tyranid space magic. The Warp is a tool that can create mutations that otherwise would be impossible to do with normal bio manipulations. If anything could create a cure for the Flood, it's the Nids.

@@blueline4857 bullshit the flood do have space magic in the form neural physics look at the silentium flood, they infected space time itself whenever they were around

It's also the fact that the forerunners didn't have a god of intelligence micromanaging them

Though that doom will almost certainly come in the form of exterminatus.

@@mapleflag6518 Eventual Exterminatus. By that point, the planet is already speaking Flood, and ships will have already left to spread to other worlds.

​@@mapleflag6518Just like the covenant did on earth when the flood arrived there, glassing Africa. Stopping the flood with exterminatus seems entirely reasonable

Thel 'Vadam *picking the Index* LET'S GO TO THE ARK

facts! these vids are fun but in almost every case 40k should win bc its just so damn overpowered

Except for like 50 other verses that would stomp their faces without breaking a sweat. The others though, yeah

@@barrylyndon5552 name 5 that are somewhat similair

@@chad2687 Similar? I give you a few that absolutely fuck up the entire 40k galaxy in give or take two months. : (Some do it in a few hours) - Halo Forerunners Pre medicant bias corruption. - The Culture - Star Wars Legends - Halo Sillentium Flood - Doctor Who Daleks - Doctor Who Timelords - Star trek the Q The above have been agreed upon to be several levels above anything the current 40k galaxy brings to the table the most important things being: - Technology, production, firepower, mobility, logistics, production, numbers, control of time/physics. (40k being worse in all fields for all races above here) The problem with 40k is that the invidual races are OP for 40k standards and effective in 40k. 40k focusses a lot around numbers. For example they think the Nids are the worse foe that any race can face. Well even if they surround the galaxy with a quantillion galaxies already consumed then they are still no threat to any of those races. Their numbers mean nothing. A trillion nids can make landfall but with given time a single soldier of any of these races (Except star wars) can deal with any given numbers of foe's.

@@tacticalgaming4765 since when did 40k focus on numbers? With imperium obviously but for smaller races like eldar and soldiers like spacemarines not at all. The biggest chapters of spacemarines only have a few thousand marines. They are just that OP. 40k shouldn't be used to compete in anything because 40k is all steroids so it balances itself out. Forerunners and all that? Please, an alpha/beta level phsycer (albeit rare) are known to have the power to wipe out planets. Heard of the doom of malan'tai? Tyranids created a phsycer so powerful it ate the souls of every living thing on the world. 40k was made to be over the top. Its like when people compare saitama to goku. Its pointless, because the main thing about one punch man is the fact that he is the single most powerful thing in the universe. Just like how 40k is on such a massive scale it can't be compared to other lore and races. Edit: sorry typed eldar not chaos. Although a heritic is still a heritic.....

The flood isn't reliant on host technology, when necessary the flood has been shown to create their own bio-ships. Its rarely needed as unlike the tyranids the planets they infect aren't destroyed in the process so they access to what ever that planet left behind.

he mentioned the genestealer aproach in a brief sentence

@@Dar2Jee yeah but he forgot that they start entire cults

@@LoRdInTeRwEbS He also forgot the Logic Plague, which would be hugely useful in mid level universes, as well as the fact flood can resurrect dead biomass. Just video length things.

Genestelaers are the same as nids they worship the Tyranids

@@kieranpeel1798 yeah? I know that? I was talking about how entire world's are destabilised before the hive fleet arrives via genestealer cult insurections

SCARFACE9511 what

SCARFACE9511 almost everyone

What does this have to do with the video ?

Ya

It's so annoying

You forget that if the flood assimilate a psycher then now the gravemind and flood can use it as well

Dude, same

Watch "bricky". He has 2 almost 1 hour videos that explains every race or faction of warhammer 40k

@@yassou9319 I meant for my group. I've logged plenty of personal hours in the lore myself lol. But I appreciate the suggestion and will probably watch that anyway :D

Send them to Baldermort’s Guide to Warhammer. That man makes lore so easy to digest and his voice is pure gold.

I remember a hive fleet called gorgon it was incredibly small compared to other fleets but it adapted so fast that in ene moment it was sending carnifexes with encreased protection at tau fire warriors and then after something like 3 waves of carnifexes dying at hands of croot 4th wave had less protection but was more manevurable

they dont even need to become immune just resistant to win.

You forget both species will end up counting each other its down to who can genetically mutate the quickest

Tyrinids would win wouldn't they this guy don't know half of what these guys have been in already to survive in the most overpowered sci fi thing ever jesus

Alex Pokorskiy the flood are even more highly adaptive, they can make MASSIVE forms, whom could combat the largest of tyranids. The flood were so adaptive that only an ancient and highly technology evolved species (which is an understatement) used super weapons to wipe out all life in the galaxy, be it flood or animal or even themselves.

Hard. I means what are they gonna do with Orks with power of Imagination ?

@@fakerolnandothey would manipulate the orks imagination. The flood is incomprehensibly intelligent. You can throw them at sci fi universes like The Culture and they would still win.(would probably take a single ship from the culture to wipe out all the necrons) so the flood basically wins 9/10 in any universe

The Silver Ghosts from the Xeelee 'verse.

​@@fakerolnandoinfect one of them and take that power fo themselves?

@@martinnavarrete5279 Hard I would say. Depend on whether they can understand and make use of psychic power or not

Sushi Addict ^^ bump ^^ with the overmind been immortal and having a tendril (yes a mere tendril) wrapped around the higher dimensions.

Untrue. Everything in wh is just super weak.

@@casematecardinal Incorrect. The whole point of the Warhammer 40k universe is that it is effectively OP. Nothing can defeat it. That makes it the "strongest" but, from a meta POV, it is also what could, arguably, make it the most boring. There's no incentive for a story. It's simply endless war.

@@primalconvoy its not op though. Its just that our analog in the world is just so weak. You only perceive them as strong because you are told that they are strong and their only true strengths lay with numbers. I do agree that the grim dirp makes it boring as hell though

​😊@@jammin1881

BlackIC yup

BlackIC yummy

Drinking flood super cells. Now a Tyrannid hive fleet is infected.

Congrats you just drank flood spore milkshake good luck.

Just remember that if the flood win any initial engagement, they consume the biomass of the nids and gain all of their abilities and knowledge, Nids would be immune initially until the Flood get to Star Roads and the ability to send Planets, Stars and even systems at the Nids, regardless if the nids are immune to the parasite, the flood would destroy them the old fashioned way, by obliterating them.

Darth Vader well... fuck... even chaos would say: nope we're outta here

The Ultimate evolutionary species.

As I already said, what do the Tyranids have to gain

Bob Bobson uh, the ability to reproduce using biomass without a Norn-Queen. You know, the one weakness in their reproductive cycle.

+Bob Bobson the knowledge of all previous grave minds, the ability to 'infect' computer systems (a minor thing considering the ones in war hammer are primitive intentionally), the ability to use neural physics...infecting the very reality around them, rapid adaptation without needing to grow new troops, reproduction without having to grow new troops, the ability to infect foes at range (most imperial troops I see don't use gas masks so spores can get right up in there breaking their lines of defence before the nids even join the battle) and the ability to gain the knowledge of their enemy and the ability to use enemy weapons (any tech the imperium of man has would add to the ranks of the flood/tryannid army)

Alex Boehm papa Nugle is pleased

The Flood isn't a disease. There isn't a Flood immunity. The Flood infection is a thinking, living thing. Because the Flood "infection" was created from the Precursors, it is a central consciousness with no physical form.

Nemesor Xanxas you cannot become "immune" to the flood. The flood isn't something that can be fixed with a quick vaccine every couple months. The flood thinks, in fact, the infected HOSTS think. They are quite possibly the most unbeatable enemy parasite in the entire sci-fi genre. They could not be beaten by the forerunner empire until the entire milky way galaxy was stripped of all life.

Tyranids became immune to Nurgle's fuckery not so much because of their exceptional immune system(there's no immune system strong enough to defeat daemons masquerading as bacteria) but because of their Shadow in the Warp. That said, Flood seems to operate under the same basic rules as Tyranids xept it needs hosts and can't travel through space without subverting someone else's ships. Also, Tyranids are flat out more numerous(galaxies upon galaxies worth of the buggers) and their adaptability is such that imperials are hesitant to use life eater virus(no points for guessing what that does) on them too often lest they adapt to it or even start to produce and use it themselves.

The Flood is caused and created by creatures that would make nurgle poo his pants, and not in a good way that he would enjoy.

@@barrylyndon5552 The only being Chaos Gods were ever afraid of was the Emperor of Mankind, and this has more to do with his plans than his actual power(that of the most potent psyker ever). Please exlain who is it you are talking about and how they would threaten an actual, if fucking horrible, diety?

Conor Mooney the Flood are designed to adapt, they are complex because they already have so much they can be and are genetically programmed to adapt on the spot and share it to the mind. Just like the Nids

Google Acc I'm sorry but none of those feats are particularly impressive by the standards of Warhammer. 10,000 years is about the gap between modern 40k and the Horus Heresy, almost half the factions in Warhammer are over 65 million years old, lol (one of them, albiet theoretically being the Tyranids themselves). We are talking about a universe who's weakest factions blow up planets on a casual scale, and its most powerful forces are literal gods that can twist reality and conjure and destroy universes at a whim, and yet the Tyranids still somehow outright have defied them and out-adapted them. The feat alone is so incredible it is outright stupid. I don't need to say much about immortality in warhammer. Immortallity is so common in 40k it's barely an afterthought. Humans alone can last up to 10,000 years, Eldar are immortal, Chaos is of course immortal, Necrons can't even die at all, they have overcome sun-devouring gods and use them as pokemon pets, and can create supernovas wherever they desire, and yet they too regularly compete and lose against Tyranids. Don't get me wrong; I am fully aware that the Forerunners are an extremely powerful and impressive race, hell I think they would have some pretty interesting competition against some Warhammer races, but surpassing Warhammer 40k? No. No where near I am afraid. The feats of 40k are so stupidly powerful they often make no sense

Google acc, by 40k standards they very much outnumber, most races in the 40k universe are incalculable, like the nids, orks, guard and tonnes other races, have trillions and trillions of soldiers and millions and millions of planets then theres the men of iron, AI created BY the humans that created world consuming constructs, devices that could destroy suns, weapons that could throw entire continents into the heavents and swarms of nano machines that covered entire planets as for weapons theres torpedos that can tear apart and crush entire planets with a single blast destroying all life, missiles and grenades that create black holes that not even warp drives can escape, not even ships that are faster than the blink of an eye can escape. theres ships that not only defy the laws of the universe but can wipe out entire galaxies with a single weapon in one shot, theres ships that reach thousands of kilometers, the size of moons if mot bigger with vast arrays of weapon systems that can destroy countless fleets in a single volley, theres ammunition types that go back in time to make sure that it hits its target with pinpoint accuracy, a fucking massive tank thats 2 or 3 times the size of scorpion, kitted with a plethora of massive city block leveling guns being used as light tanks. there was a single ship that froze an entire explatory fleet as well as a detatchment and blew them up one by one, one single ship. while ill admit in the current 40k universe ths tech levels regressed since the horrus herresy if we take the tech from thatt period (which is 10,000 years) then it vastly out maneuvers the forerunners

Google Acc Here's what he's trying to say mate, there's no use comparing 40k to any other fictional universe. Because the weakest thing would be considered op in other universes. You talk about some dude commanding trillions of soldiers. That's a usual regiment of Imperial Guard. Forerunners had to make the Halo Rings. 1 small group of necrons have a thing called the Celestial Orrery Think of it as a Zen garden that shows every star in the galaxy. If you snuff one out, its real life counterpart goes supernova.

Google Acc Also Tyranids would laugh at the Forerunners. The only thing that stops Tyranids is plot armor.

well Tyranids mostly make up one guy which is the hivemind who is sentient and the rest are just test dummies but i understand what you mean.

Yes the Tyranids are of a hivemind mentality but so is the flood

@@AO_DireWolf74 but the Hiveminds Shadow in the Warp literally destroys all Pyshic connections literally rendering the Flood useless in a sense or at least in a chaotic confused state

Abimael Reyes probably, depends on how the flood operate, but this is something rarely mentioned, and it’s important to point out.

Abimael Reyes everybody forgetting when the flood had space and time cave in to their will? No one remembers?

i raise the stakes: Arachnid(Starship Troopers) vs Rachni(Mass Effect) vs Zerg(StarCraft) vs The Flood(Halo) vs Xenomorph(Alien) vs Necromorphs (Dead Space) vs Tyranids(WarHammer 40k) vs White Spike(The Tomorrow War) vs The thing(The thing)

Geezer, add in Phyrexians why dont you? Look out creation. Everything is on the menu.

once one one cell tyranid in synpanse of the hid mind is taken the hive mind would know correct

michael niegisch yes it would be one of the vanguard organisms too. The data the hivemind would acquire would allow it to work on counteracting the flood before the invasion.

I just imagined new generation of Tyranid with the ability to add anyone to the hivemind with mere touch. Eff that!

Etiruza do you mean R’ Tas Vadum? The Shipmaster himself?! Did you call him sassy?!

@@imperialguardsman8088 Pretty sure they misspelled daddy HEYOOOOO

"Entire species." Entire species (that didn't have onsite evolutionary trait's)

@@jammin1881 Does it matter? Dead is dead no matter how long it takes.

hainley simpson Not really. What happens when one wave dies and forms immunity straight after? *It stops dying* and out evolves in god controlled times.

@Jinjyo ni Shoubu Because they were beaten by a more powerful race the Necrons who had more advanced technology than the old ones the Necrons had a pocket dimension, Galaxy destroying weapons, and time travel oh yeah they have gods of reality as their masters which make them Immune to many of the old ones weapons

@@wertaiman4216 And one of the Forerunners prototype Halo rings were able to erase a galaxy. Yet the Forerunners believed that comparing their tech to the Precursors was like comparing Cavemen to the Forerunners.

@@starhammer5247 I mean considering the race the old ones were beaten by had the ability to become gods and they had actually gods fighting with them and these aren't your watered down gods no these are your erasing you with a wave of their hand gods. And they created the elder who could see hundreds of thousands of years into the future pre nerf and the krorks who are basically primarchs but mass produced I mean the existence of a few krorks actually made the orks smart and there are trillions of orks and there were less than 20 krorks

@@Vairns I'm aware of the Krork's power.

@@starhammer5247 oh thankyou not many people realise it and just think they are a watered down primarch until they read the books and realise that they are responsible for vulcan not being in the setting at the moment.

Ain't no Abominable Intelligence in MY 40K! But seriously, excluding the Tau, all A.I. rebels against its creator within seconds, if that. So no A.I. here. There is a reason the Emperor class battleship has a crew of like 500,000 plus.

@@h0riz0n45 tyranids are biomechanical, so can be corrupted

@@DOOMinator111 they are biomechanical in terms of their biological parts having functions of some man-made weapons. They are not **digital** in the slightest. Prime targets for flood in 40k would be Eldar & Necrons, getting any farseer or tomb lord would be like an instant level up for flood's intelligence.

@@h0riz0n45 Talking about AI un warhammer: you are forgetting about the AI using by the human-xenos interestelar non-empiere civilitation of the Interex in time of the Great Crusade who was destroyed by Horus before the Heresy.

Martín Yuste See, I don't follow 30K as well as 40K so I didn't know about them. But, in general, A.I. will turn for most people.

The Flood can follow their asses. The Flood can travel WAY faster than tyranids.

Clockwork No. Just no. Not even close. If they leave they’d come back to the IG of Tau being completely infected if not both. Then the Nids are screwed

acetraker1988 the flood can manipulate the very fabric of space man.

Cricis11700 The Tyranids can also manipulate the very fabric of space, man. Also, the presence of the Tyranids hive fleets deadens an area so that they are the *only* ones who can manipulate the fabric of space. The phenomenon is called "The Shadow in the Warp," if you're interested in looking it up.

Steve Zirngible I'm gonna look it up man sounds like a good thing to invest my time in!

Unless it's the Flood. If the WH40K universe is turned up to 11 the Flood is turned up to 12. The META reason being the Tyranids still need to be playable table top, the flood are just designed to be overpowered.

@@williamlancaster2341 One Hive Queen > some mutated maggots

@@Vineor One Hive Queen is now a mutated maggot. The Tyranids are a very poor matchup against the Flood because they're essentially an all you can eat sushi buffet. You don't have a Tyranid army, you have a Soon-to-be Flood army.

@@williamlancaster2341 I'm thinking we spotted the troll here. (Pst - I'm talking about you)

@@mattjohnson8585 I actually thought you were talking about Moonman. :) Yes, I'm disagreeing with him but "WH40K always wins." is such a foolish statement. Look, I am well aware that WH40K fans like thinking that their universe is the most powerful, that their factions are the best, that it is the deepest darkest grimest ect. It's not. It's really not. WH40K is a tabletop game and so ultimately is written to be balanced to that. In general, any precursor civilization, which are not meant to be balanced, is going to stomp all over WH40K. HALO, with it's giant manufactured planets and galaxy targeting super weapons is particularly notable for this. The flood is one of these. Now there are WH40K factions the Flood would lose against, Necrons for instance. You can also argue that the Empire of Man would be able to win as well. The Tyranids? The giant bio-organism swarm against an infectious disease that had assimilated every bio organism it has ever encountered? No. WH40K losses this matchup.

Yep, the only way for Flood to even the playing field is to bring some of their previous victims' stuff to the fight.

Then it’s not the flood. It was the original form precursors. In fact to even see the flood stand a chance or to have a level playing field you have to include half of halo.

@@jammin1881 Then it's not the tyranids, it's the beasts and species and biomass the originals consumed With battle would come all tools absorbed by each species doing what each species does

jreed136 Tyranids produced organic faster than light travel and fleets of planet eating ships. Flood didn’t. Flood never even produced a ship or warp drive / slip space crystal.

@@jammin1881 they used unknown type of slipspace in forerunner-flood war and were literally pulling biomass somehow out of nowhere, They are apparently also capable of converting inorganic mass into flood biomass

I agree

:with sagrotan

Death. Death and Mass production. They might just build the laser bit and use that instead. XD Republic might thwart this plan though....

Would been really short saga :P

And nobody talks about fusion/union/coalescence scinario after eating each other... (maybe I didn't find someone say it).

Nope

The tyranids have consumed multiple galaxies, they have adapted to literally fight hell, they have adapted againts any toxin, acid, ammunition, virus, plague and even the swarming brutality of the orks they also pulled an uno reverse card on that. The tyranid hive mind has power over more than trillions upon trillions of tyranids, and has a contingency plan againts anything. With its generals, the hive tyrants, capable of outsmarting even the smartest of the eldar, the most calculative of the necrons, and the most random of the orks, and we dont even know of this is truly their main fighting force, but as they advance, it indicates that it may be just a taste of whats to come... But no corona of steroids with the power of a single galaxy definetly can do it

​@@lostkhan1728 yep

@@alext4680 nope

@@alext4680 like do your research on the tyrnaids and don't cock ride the flood.i mean they're a threat in their own universe but they won't be a threat to the Nids. If u ever played starcraft they're basically like the zerg and the zerg are a race that adapts and mutate themselves spontaneously fast and unbelievably fast as well. This is basically the Tyranids they're master adapters and counter attackers the moment that the hivemind realizes that whatever force or obstacles is in its way itll make its hivefleet adapt to it. For example if the the regular Nid bioforms are dying way to fast due to the the enemies weaponry the hivemind will make bioforms and have bioforms adapt to have hard and thick carapace armor strong like steel and hard like diamonds. So any armor pricing rounds will have no effect or they would have to put 3x the ammunition into a bioform than usual. Even flame weaponry would not even be as effective since they can make their carapace flame and heat resistant. The flood are very inconsistent,they're deadly but inconsistent they need to take over other races to gain tech and knowledge of the race and other races it trys to consume. the Tyranids on the other hand their tech is like biographical and alive everything down to their living fire arms to their ships, if the flood were try to gain any knowledge about is gonna be mere to nothing because all the bioforms are just shells and puppets to the hivemind most of the attack or bioforms don't have any strategic intelligence/mind or a conscience theyrr giving orders by the hivemind and swarmlord on what to do. Before u say the infection forms of the flood and the infection spores could infect the Nids and yes at the beginning battle against each,yeah the flood could infect the nids but the flood hivemind will gain no knowledge of what it actually is except for it being an attack form. And this gives the nids the advantage because when the hivemind of the nids see that its forces are getting infected itll make its forces adapt and mutate themselves to counter the infection. By making thicker carapace like I said before and have the blood of nids and just inside the body itself to have acidic blood or make it where the insides are hot as lava(this is cannon) so the infection will be burned out of the body. Or the tyranids hivemind will make bioforms to release toxic acidic miasmas gases into the air where itll either destroy and melt down the spore infected air and maybe dissolve biomass from the flood. Or the hivemind could make or have its forces adapt to breath the spore infected air and have its troops not get infected. Like isaid the nids are master adapters and masters of counter offensives

Certain synapse Tyranids are individually intelligent but it is rare, and must be achieved through an immense degree of evolution and adaptation, RE/ particularly strong Zoanthropes.

Drakior Perun The flood can infect non sentient beings as long as they have sufficient biomass which the tyrannids do

I've heard that Tyranids can adapt to biological attacks, but I feel like that the Tyranid hivemind wouldn't be capable of adapting if a few Tyranids arrived on a Flood-infested world. Let's say a few Tyranids show up on an infected world. The spores are already so thick in the atmosphere the minute they land they're infected. Considering the flood can corrupt a being in seconds, the Tyranids won't have time to alert the hivemind. Seizing a Tyranid vessel, the Flood would be capable of infecting possibly an entire Hive ship. However, if the Tyranids alert the hivemind before they're consumed, it's likely they'll manage to get at least partial resistance to the Flood before the Flood-infested vessel reached the Hiveship. The Tyranid Hiveship most likely winds up taking weeks to consume, as more and more Tyranids have to just be straight up killed, due to their biological immunity to the Flood. A single infected Hiveship of the Tyranids could lead to the unraveling of the entire Tyranid race in the Galaxy sector. I do think the Tyranids win out in the end however.

@@rebelgaming1.5.14 you dont get immunity for something burrowing into your chest and rearranging you body structure, although there was of being immune to the flood, hidden experia has a video about that, it involves, sergeant Johnson

@@mairaineplayzgames2205 Tyranids evolved to be tanks, grow swords, whips, cannons. Tyranid artillery exists. They vecome resistant to bullets with evolved impenetrable armor. Each generation of tyranid is incredibly more dangerous than the last. The Imperial guard developed a flame weapon that could incinerate any tyranid with ease. The tyranids then developed to resist it completly. Rendering the weapon useless. If a flood is able to burrpw into tyranids, then not long after, their skin would harden or armor become to tough to burrow through. Tyranids will simply win in the long run. If flood relies on taking over others, then they are at a distinct disadvantage.

@@tuff9486 the flood can be inhaled, everything you just said doesnt matter, if its inhaled, you are fucked, no matter how armoured you are...

@@mairaineplayzgames2205 Nurgle the literally god of plague, decay and pestilent rebirth. Tries to create viruses and diseases all the time, and the Tyranids adapt to them too quickly to be slowed down or killed off. If the flood can be inhaled, then why would they be different than nurgle plague rot or the nurgle zombie viruses? The only consistant way the flood would convert tyranids is if pinning them down or killing them and entering their bodies. I am not sure if they use corpses?

Patrick Davis Exactly ^^ the flood were successful against the forerunners that had no cure or defense through the entirety of the war. Not only stealing millions of there ships but gaining wisdom and knowledge through them as well. The nids have organic tech and replicate organic based tech. Even an attempt to infect and control individual organisms would see them cut from the over minds influence or adapted within the span of a battle. One vs one - tyranids would wreck the flood.

@@jammin1881 Wrong !!! Because your just a Warhammer fanboy

J Singh Yeah. I’m a massive halo and 40k fan......

Tyranids for the win is not really the majority...

swǝƃ ̇ Most people know halo from video games but never take the time to pick up books. Halo also sold 60+ million copies so more people know about the flood than tyranid lore.

Oh there is. But you have to look away from popular fiction. Such as going back to E.E.Doc Smith's Lensman, where by the later end of the series strategies where you smash two planets at FTL into opposite sides of the target planet are obsolete. Also, your options open up to many choices if you restrict your target race to the Tau or other minor races which only survive because the power of plot keeps the Imperium from going on a hunting expedition :p

I don't really think it's fair to compare anything to Warhammer because all the other fictional Universes actually go for consistency and sounding realistic, it just isn't fair at all. It's just kinda too over the top to sound even slightly believable to compare it to a consistant universe. It's nice for people to enjoy it, but it's still just too ridiculous to compare to a less excessive Universe. Warhammer: "Oh, we da best becuz we have ONE-MILLION KAJILION LAZERZ AN U ALL DIE!!!!" Other fictional Universes: "Yes, that's nice, keep quiet now, the adult's are talking..." Plus, if you really want to be competitive, the Old Gods can kill all of those space Nazi's without even breathing.

Well the Forerunners would grind the Nids into dust due to being so far advanced.

That is patently false. Even the marvel and d.c. comics would curbstomp. Take the xeelee from the xeelee chronicles, or the forerunner, hell 40k's own DAOT would roflstomp current setting 40k.

Joseph Simpson Both franchises are great, Halo is more mainstream but it gets interesting with some digging. I prefer Warhammer 40k however, due to its much richer lore and variety, mostly due to it being over two decades old.

Joseph Simpson This one was not his best.

THINK BORG CROSSED WITH THE ALIENS FROM ALIEN. THAT'S THE TYRANIDS.

Fired!

Joseph Simpson How do you not know of either 40K or Halo...?

But the flood isn't just some random infection or disease. I know not a lot of people really read into the specificities of Halo lore and the flood itself. But the flood aren't just an infection, at a molecular or cellular form of course they're not omnipotent beings, but at their heart they are. A single conglomerate formed by the corrupted mass of the precursors/forerunners. They decide who is worthy of the mantle of responsibility. And the mantle is the philosophy of stewardship of over any living life forms in the universe. Since the flood are the descendants of the precursors, they are the gods of the universe. And it's like it's always been said. "A single flood spore can destroy an entire species, no matter how far you run or where you hide they will consume you"

I'm also not saying that the flood would win over the tyranids so easily. but rather that the tyranids would get consumed by the flood and they were to work in tandem to consume the entire 40K universe.

@@ghazghkullthraka6306 ok buttermilk bob

Book what book ?

@@ghazghkullthraka6306 the problem is that as long as something has a nervous system it can be infected, and that the flood cannot be cured meaning that if you get infected it's over, all it would take for the flood to destroy the Imperium is one well placed flood spore

Once defeated gorgon switched to amping up its poison to the melt the flesh off of servants of nurgle setting and went about poisoning whole worlds

@@lorentzcoffin4957 That is interesting.

Flood has the most fastest mutation rate in Sci-fi series that's why it's dangerous Want to defeat the flood, don't let them reaching reality wanking level. That's the only way. If they reach it, then I guess you need team of gods to defeat that.

The flood also evolve and adapt at a ridiculous rate, as fast as if not faster than most Tyranid hives. And contrary to what Eck said, Flood can use any and all biomass to add to their collection and create pure forms which then can transform into nearly anything. In the end if something like a single Heirophant would be infected it would be over for the Nids. The Gravemind/Keymind would then simply modify their own version of the Bio-Titan and use pure forms to create absolutely bullshit powerful beings. All in all, if the flood can form several keyminds before the Tyranids wipe them out there is very little hope for the Tyranids, let alone if they amass an entire fleet of keyminds. Nids are insanely formidable and overbearing to many species and factions in the 40k universe, it's just likely that that they can't evolve as quickly as the flood and will be overwhelmed by superior intelligence (if there are multiple graveminds), tactics (able to flat out outsmart insanely intelligent combat ai), and virulence (in the speed of which they spread, not the way in which they spread). And if the fight takes place in the 40k universe, good luck dealing with an army of pure flood forms with Psyker abilities.

Jaegen Ashbrook dude what are you talking about. Nids will literally evolve defenses between assaults. We seen that in a Tau and nid book back in 4-5ed where the Tau had 5 different rifles laying next to them and they would switch out after each one became less effective ( and i mean between wave attacks not planets )

The Flood have superior intelligence? You're talking like the Tyranids aren't a Hive mind that is coordinating a galaxy-wide invasion with surgical execution.

well the entire WH4Ok universe didn't have to be wiped out in order to stop the tyranids

Nathan Holmes yeah.

Flood don't need sentient hosts.

Xperim yeah but they do require them for inteligence. They can infect any living thing to use as biomass but they need smart hosts to get advanced forms like graveminds and they also need ships to get off world before they starve to death.

RobloxCancer oof

Theres genestealers which can operate outside hivemind

EXACTLY . They can do just that .

M12 Light Reconnaissance Vehicle for a normal organism . Yes it wouldn't be . But for the tyranids it wouldn't be a ploblem . They can just throw a few flood forms into a digestive pool and then get the best atributes from the flood and win .

X Epic Sans I would not go that far.

陳潔明 oh hi. Nice to meet you again .

Incognito tyranids have adapted to diseases that break and alter the laws of physics sent by a literral god of diseases . Your point ?