Me too always. The V-ger movie is my favorite one. But the Enterprise C is my 2nd fav b/c it looks the refit but a taste of the Enterprise D just a little. Its more true to the A ship though. This new ship is a bitchin ship also.
The Abram-verse ships get a lot of flack but the one thing that’s great about them is that you can see all the components that make them up. As an engineer I see things being put together from inside out so it gives me the sense of realism when I see shots like this. Now the enterprise they have introduced in discovery is good and all but this is just impressive.
Valkyrie Editing I seriously don't like either ship... Although the 1701 did grow on me a little.... Still the 1701A looks like Batman had a hand in it's design 😂
"Well, this is a new ship. But she's got the right name. Now, you remember that, you hear?....You treat her like a lady. And she'll always bring you home." - Dr (Adm) Leonard "Bones" McCoy Maybe for a different Enterprise, but it fits all the same.
During my first incarceration, I designed a 7,920-foot-long space liner and named her after the airship Hindenburg. That space liner has evolved through 12 incarnations, all the same size and all with the same crew. This new class of ship will be the Starship Hindenburg's 12th incarnation.
i got an idea....why dont they do another doomsday machine?...that would be just great..at the end of the original they ask...how many more planet killers are out there..
You have to wonder if the probe in Star Trek IV was constructed by the same civilization that built the doomsday machine. It was prepared to destroy the Earth after failure to make contact with humpback whales.
The renders might be from Dan Broadway but the model is from Nightfever. He had access to material from the production so his model, while not exact, is pretty damned close.
The side angle of the saucer is to steep. The ship looks great from the front. It is the secondary hull and nacelle pylons that gives me the fits. The two engines are fine. It's the wider at the base pylons that make me want to barf. The secondary hull's undercut relief is two great. It need be over half it's length shorter. There is a lot of engineering equipment that needs space down there. The hanger deck should have two of three levels to it, just like an aircraft carrier of today. Other than that BRAVO. Can't wait for the next movie.
You know what? Who cares? I didn't know that the refit made so many changes. I trust it will be good, AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THE U.S.S. DISCOVERY!!!! That ship is a UPN ad.
The new Enterprise-A is so epic. It really needs a nice toy/model/replica made of it. I’d be one of the first in line to buy it. I asked Moebius and they said they’re waiting until another movie to make a move on it, and Eaglemoss just basically told me “we don’t know when we’ll make one but keep looking out”
The final product is way better than the concept art. I still wish they'd stop connecting the pylons right at the bussard collectors when they're supposed to be move back 1/3 down the nacelle.
NJ4K. Well, Gene intended the Enterprise to be a city in space. It was a novel idea when scifi ships were little more than transportation to where the adventures happened. But today the connie is just plain tiny, the Intrepid is a small ship that is larger. If the ship was going to maintain its status as something aspirational it had to grow.
Can't believe that it's been nine years already since I first saw the "Hot Rod" Enterprise from the J. J. Abrams film in the late 2008 teaser trailer. Time flies.
Love how it looks from the front because they finally spaced the nacelles more but those struts are so....wrong (also keeping the strut connection at the very front of the nacelle is...weird)
I'm a little bummed we won't get to see this ENT on film. It was a nice nod to the A from prime-universe, honestly I think I like it better than the refit from Into Darkness/Beyond.
while I do like how the pylons were straightened in forward view,... I do not like how sharply angled they are in the side view, nor do I like how they connect to the nacelles right at the tip. The nacelles really do need to extend forward a bit more from the connection point. The pylons and how they connect are really the only problem I have with this design,.... just like the 2009 version. In fact with all of them, its the pylons that throw the whole thing off every time.
@@dightonazpeitia4350 I think you're giving this speech to the wrong person. I like the 2009 version overall, I couldn't care less that it looks "different", it's aesthetics that I'm commenting on. Overall balance in design. I prefer straight pylons (in forward view) over curved ones, unless it's an elbow curve. The Odyssey class is new, yet I like it overall. I simply prefer the Sojourner variant pylons and nacelles... and they are even newer Also I don't care for the TOS design either
I actually like the 2009 one the most. My only gripe was the positioning of the neck and the nacelle pylon angle. Neck and saucer I feel needed to be moved forward toward the deflector dish and wider nacelle pylons angle. If it weren't for that, I would've loved it to the point it would rival the Prime Universe Constitution Class Refit.
To each his own but, It looks even more unbalanced to me. I really lacks the grace of the Original Constitution-class of the refit. It actually looks very awkward.
Agreed. I think this is horrid. Looks to me like those nacelles are gonna fall right off. There's no balance. This doesn't even come close to the original Refit/1701-A design. I mean, I was never a fan of the 2009 Enterprise, but this is by far the ugliest abomination (only slightly better than the Enterprise-J)...
@@shannonpotratz489Lol you Trekkers are a sad bunch. Always crying. This was supposed to be its own totally difference evolution in design. It was NEVER supposed to mirror the 79 refit. They did something DIFFERENT, and they should have bc it’s an ALTERNATE TIMELINE. Cry more
Since the original A is my favorite Enterprise I was initially pretty disappointed by this one. What bothered me the most is that it's too similar to the original "JJ-prise". Now after some time I learned to appreciate it more, however I still dislike newer darker iterations of deflector dishes (from movies to Discovery) altogether.
Hargreaves said about his design that he wanted it to be "more evolutionary than revolutionary" and that he focused on improving structural weaknesses revealed during swarm ships attack on the Enterprise.
@@MichaelWilliams-star-trek Now we'll see her in another Kelvin Timeline movie, since the original cast (Minus Anton RIP man you'll be missed!) is coming back!
liking everything but the nacelles are just ugh...if they were placed forward more...maybe...and those connections to the nacelles look backwards (but that front view looked amazing, ill give it that, they look like they have their proper spacing instead of being so close together like before)
Big fan of the 1701-A Kelvin personally; the smaller nacelles and the pylon changes go a long way towards fixing whatever issues I had with the original Kelvinverse 1701.
I have to said the JJverse Enterprise-A is indeed beauty...or maybe the Abramprise just suck. Anyway, I am expecting to see her more often - espercially in STO and OSC.
Looking at the image at 6:40, the only major thing i dont like about the Alfa is the back of the neck, i think it would have looked better with the angled sweped back style of the 2009 enterprise especially with the base of the pilons being larger and the engineering section being longer as well, other than that the only minor thing is the sharp point on the shuttle bay area, should have left it more rounded i think, but its tolerable. other than that I like it, especially the new necells and necell positioning.
The Enterprise from TOS was by far the best design. It was clean and elegant. They did not try to make it aerodynamic, which is not necessary for a ship that is not being operated in the atmosphere. Later versions were "overdesigned" For example, why the the pylons that support the engines swept back in the second design? Just to make it look "sleeker"?
It was a totally dated design. Both Roddenberry and Matt Jeffries are both on record as having said if they had the budget to do more with it, they would have. The TOS was fine for it’s time but for the modern era its design is far too simplistic
Never understood why they use the letter after the registration number. There is only ever one NCC-1701 in service at any one time. In the real world (in all navies) we don't use version letters on a ships registration number.
The alphabetical numbering on the Enterprises was to denote the vessels that were commissioned to denote the generational starships after Kirk commanded the famous original 1701 and his bravery in both universes for saving a large group population.
absolute wonderful review of ncc1701A this ship is a majestic monster it basically is a battleship master piece ready do this thing im glad i found you trek verse
@@jv-lk7bc the enterprise is a battleship.it goes back 56 years.and to me the original enterprise is the best looking of them all.its superstrucher is a little weak but it will outlast all of them to me.
I loved the last 3Abrams Star Trek movies. All fast paced, looked techo, great music...and this ship is beautiful. To be honest I like all previous Enterprise versions to, but this one is my pick.
I think this ship should have been the 1701 from the very get-go in the reboot films, and not the A. To me, the two ships from the Reboot films should have happened the other way around; Ryan Church's design makes a better Enterprise A to me (you brought up the nacelles being too close together in the Church design - agreed, and this is partly why I think the Church design would have been better as the Enterprise A or a refit as the refit and A from the prime Universe had her nacelles closer together) and Shawn's design is a better original.
The new Kelvun Universe Enterprise A design does not hold a candle to the Enterprise refit from ST:TMP. That perfection cannot be improved upon, IMO. The new Kelvin A has the pylons attached to the nacelles too far forward and looses some sleekness as a result. It is better than the 2009 Enterprise, but not drastically.
For me this is a lot closer to Matt Jefferies design. The attachment to the pylons put more of an eagle wing profile to the design. This was designed on purpose to make sure an attack like Krall's will never happen again.
Better than 2009, yes..But not as clean as TOS and The Voyage Home..This the saucer too sharp at the edge..The neck is too far center..And finally the main kicker..This ship has come way to early as in look at how long the prime 1701 was in service before getting a refit and then after that till the end of Search for Spock, Then the prime 1701-A came in..Here in Kelvin timeline, the ship hardly existed in one form, we have seen the 2009 version. the refit in Into darkness (noticed by the impulse engine) and the 1701-A in Beyond..And finally, if you go through the anniversary documentary, one of the tech people clearly states the ship wa never meant to land at the time hence the transporters.. A little digress.And in the Kelvin timeline we have seen the ship on the bottom of an ocean upright on its belly not tipping over..
This is gonna sound like heresy, but I personally hate hate _hate_ the TMP Connie. Love the Excelsior, love the TOS Connie, but I can't stand the TMP Connie, I don't know why
The Prime Enterprise refit will ALWAYS be my favorite. However, the Kelvin Enterprise-A definitely is a vast improvement over the 09 and 09 Refit. As you said there could still be some improvement made to the Kelvin Enterprise-A but she still looks beautiful compared to the other two. I had way too many issues with the 09 / Into Darkness Enterprise. The spacing of the nacelles, the size of the nacelles, the way how the engineering section looked, etc.... just way too much and I really dislike it. Although, I will admit it has since grown on me and I'm currently building the Revell model kit of it. Oh interesting enough for the 09 / Into Darkness version on the bottom saucer there was supposed to be the words and numbers NCC-1701 on both sides of the saucer just like the Prime TOS Enterprise. For whatever stupid reason JJ Abrams told them to ditch it. I wish they had left it there because it definitely would have complimented the Prime TOS Enterprise and it would have not made the saucer section look...blank.
This is definitely better than what we had in 2009. However, I have to throw my vote with all the others who will always love the TMP Refit Enterprise (NCC-1701). I also think the NCC-1701-A is better too. I can also say that I can get into the 2016 Beyond Enterprise much more than in the previous movies and am glad for that. Now they just need to stop blowing it up every movies.
I like it but there is a few flaws to the ship like the warp naccels being too short, the torpedo bay being too low, and the regastry number on the under side of the ship i like it but why add enterprise on the bottom of the saucer cause the underside of the saucer suppose to have NCC-1701-A not U.S.S Enterprise NCC-1701-A just the regastry but from those three minor flaws i love how they made the ship
Having USS Enterprise on the underside ofnthe saucer was done on purpose as this is an alternate timeline. If there is a fourth movie there will probably will be tweeks to the design.
According to Sean Hargreaves, when he was a guest on trekyards, he said the torp launchers are at the bottom of the saucer. The reason was so when they fire, the light would interact with the botom of the saucer and make for a good visual effect. Tahk you for this jice Video, i was very suprised when i saw the Enterprise, it looked so much bettern than the previous one. The only bad Thing there was the outright hatred from fans over this ship, for no apparent reason other than to hate it.
I like the remastered effect of the photon torpedo reflection as it fired from under neath the saucer. I loved the two part interview Trekyards did with Sean Hargreaves, he is such a talented artist. Some fans will just hate on anything new...
I really hope star trek 4 is not a disappointing. So far i like the design of U. S .S 17O1 REFIT. LIKE SAID IT LOOKS LIKE THE OLD ENTERPRISE. I HOPE THEY DON'T MESS DID UP THIS TIME.
Matt Jeffries' original design is fantastic and will always live on in the hearts of fans. Star Trek is based on technology and as time grows it changes. Matt Jeffries even updated his design for the unproduced Phase 2 show which a fan film picked up on. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KVSkKEuQ4cs.html
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Finally I see someone mention the nacelles being way too close on the '09 Enterprise. Fun fact that's actually sad: On the ST DAC game, the Constitution class ship has the nacelles as far away from each other as they were on the '66 one and the new one. Take a look here, cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/03/star_trek_dac_gdc.jpg. It's so painfully better with the separated nacelles...
We have only seen the wire frame model. The U.S.S Defiant has been in the mirror universe for at least 100 years. Multiple refits should be expected. I'll reserve judgment till when I see it on screen. This is what Trekyards thinks it looks like: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-f3wtUkiJa6s.html
The only I don’t like about this ship is the black circular surround in the middle engine. They should had done it in a fading bluish hue like the original refit.
Personally I like this new design except for the extremely large pylon base. Paul Taylor made an excellent model of the Enterprise A that in my opinion has the best combination of tweaks
I agree: the secondary hull is too narrow. Compared with the width of the bridge engineering is going to be cramped. Where will the water treatment plant go? OTOH I dislike the vertical lines in the profile though. Probert's TMP refit (which you refer to as the "prime A") had forward sweeping lines on the dorsal and rearward sweeping nacelle pylons, giving the ship and almost equestrian/Pegasus-like profile that implied speed and flight.
The TMP refit was based on Matt Jefferies Phase 2 Enterprise ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/designing-the-phase-ii-enterprise/ I would have preferred the Phase 2 over the refit. There is very little change from the TMP refit and the prime A. I would have preferred that the outer grills were lighted just like the inward facing grills, they did this with the excelsior class and the reliant class in DS9 and later. I plan on doing a comparison video between the Kelvin and Prime versions of the refit. Other than the width of the secondary hull that is my only nit pick on the Kelvin timeline of the Enterprise-A and in my opinion is the best looking Enterprise to date.
This is about the prime Enterprise-A "While the ship's history before its recommissioning as Enterprise has never been officially stated, several non-canon sources (such as the AMT/Ertl Model kit documentation) have claimed it to formerly be the USS Yorktown (NCC-1717); others cite it as the newly-built (but not yet commissioned) USS Ti-Ho (NCC-1798), or the also newly-built USS Atlantis (NCC-1786). Captain Scott alludes to the ship being newly built in the ship's log of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, stating "This new ship must have been built by monkeys".Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise, released shortly after Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, cites the origin of NCC-1701-A as the USS Ti-Ho (NCC-1798), a Constitution-class II starship which was a testbed for transwarp technology alongside the USS Excelsior. The Ti-Ho was rechristened Enterprise after Kirk and his crew were exonerated."memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-A)
I still think the nacells thin out too much at the rear and they could be moved forwards on the pylons. Then it would be near perfect, still massive improvement though
I don’t like this new design at all. It looks like a bunch of forced together angles that don’t flow at all. The shuttle bay is too small, the secondary hull is too thin and pointy and pylons are just oddly shaped and connect to the secondary hull in a blurry shapeless mass. I liked the original Kelvin design because it had character and power but this new design to me looks very visually unpleasing and forced. I hear the designer discussing his reasons on Trekyards and he had no reasons. He did things to just be different than the design before. It looks good from the front but every other angle just points out the design issues to me.
My only problem with the new 1701-A is with the nacelles and pylons. For me, the nacelles taper too much, and the pylon-nacelle joint looks like a broken wrist. Other than that, it's a great design. Definitely more evocative of the TOS Enterprise.
I hated the 2009 ship. I was surprised that they signed off and ok'ed that design. The engines looked like "Popeye Arms" and they were far too close together! They finally destroyed a more fitting Enterprise for once. This new one is way welcomed. Its a war hawk in appearance. Of all the starships this one looks the most battleship ready. Lets hope they don't destroy it right away.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Star Trek 4 is a certainty at this point. deadline.com/2017/12/quentin-tarantino-star-trek-mark-l-smith-jj-abrams-the-revenant-paramount-pictures-1202231379/
Very nice design, like your narration style, subscribed. I'd like to see the bottom sweep of secondary hull underneath six windows extended further decreasing that huge concave sweep but that's just me. 😎
The upsweep on the underside of the warp nacelles and upsweep of the graphics on the side of the nacelles ruin the lines. It makes them look like they were attached crooked.
This ship looks more like the original series enterprise. This is how the 2009 one should have looked, but all that aside all you have to remember is her name is enterprise, and Thats all you need to know. Her name speaks for itself.
