UK Games Expo 2020 - Bad Moon Rising 

Having played it in person…monthly actually…it plays just as well…if not better in person

I do feel like that charlie IASIP meme trying to match up discord to the board

Yep, your first idea is how it would play out - with both a Poppy Grower and a Lunatic in play, the demon would learn who the Lunatic is but would not learn who their minions are. Where it gets *really* interesting is that whether the Poppy Grower is in play or not doesn't affect what the Lunatic gets told. If a Poppy Grower is in play, you can still wake a Lunatic up and give them false information about who their "minions" are. If a Poppy Grower is on the script, but not in play, you can choose not to give the Lunatic any "minion" info, simulating, for them, that a Poppy Grower is in play. Essentially, any information a Storyteller can give to a Lunatic to simulate them being the real demon is permitted.

You'll find that, as your players get more experienced, good will start to win more often. Evil MASSIVELY benefits from your players' lack of game knowledge right now, but that'll soon change as they get more familiar with it. If you want to balance things out then don't forget that you don't have to show drunk or poisoned players false info. Drunk or poisoned players can't affect the game state (they can't kill, resurrect etc.) but they can still get legit info. - Ben (the guy running the game)

Well spotted. I think that may be an artefact of the stream delay. I'll be sure to account for that in future uploads.

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@@boomersooner728 Thanks for letting us know. You're correct, it shouldn't be showing anywhere near that many ads. I'll look into it now.

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If the Shabaloth targets a player who is already dead, then that player might be resurrected by the Storyteller the next night. It doesn't need to be a minion - it can be any player. The Shabaloth may try to target a dead minion to bring their ability back into the game, or they may target a dead Townsfolk to help solidify a Professor bluff. Attempting to bringing minions back this way is risky, as it gives strong evidence that a Shabaloth is the demon in play. The Shabaloth has to decide whether giving this information to the town is worth getting that minion back. As for the dead player coming back to life, the Storyteller always announces when this happens and it's usually a big deal.

For the rare roles that don't know their own role and/or alignment (the Drunk, Lunatic, and Marionette), they aren't woken to learn their true nature if they become drunk or poisoned. Players aren't woken each night to learn their role/alignment, they are only notified when one of these things *changes*, so the same is true of roles that start the game being told they are something other than what they are (due to their ability). - Evin

Yep! You can find a link to it on the unofficial discord, which I think there is a link to on the kickstarter page.

Hey Louis, I'm not sure I fully understand the question. The Moonchild 'acting' at night after the demon(s) and the Lunatic is simply the time at night when the effect of their ability plays out, based on the choice they made during the preceding day phase. The Moonchild 'acting' (i.e. killing a player or not) at this point at this point is still consistent with them killing, at night, the player they chose if that player is good. - Evin

@@BloodontheClocktower In the video, Ben and Edd say the Moonchild death happens at the beginning of night phase, but the github tool says it happens much later. I think we're just wondering which is correct.

@@BloodontheClocktower Yeah, what Raptor said. In the video, the Moonchild was executed and chose the Lunatic. The Lunatic then died, did not choose players to "attack", and the demon did not learn of any Lunatic targets. My understanding of the night order from the almanac/script tool is that the Moonchild's effect should trigger after the Lunatic/Demon, and thus the Lunatic should have chosen targets. Ultimately, this discrepancy had no real impact in this particular game, as the Lunatic was fairly certain they were good. I just want to make sure I understand this interaction completely when I storytell BMR.

Ah, totally fair then. As it currently stands on the night sheet, the Moonchild death 'action' occurs later in the night, after the demons act. There is planned language in the rulebook to allow for some Storyteller flexibility for when night actions take place if there are unusual circumstances, but generally this is when the Moonchild death will be slated to occur. - Evin

Part of the Lunatic's ability is that the demon always knows who they are and who they attack. This helps the demon play along with the illusion if they want to - it allows them to not kill the Lunatic at night and to attack the same targets as the Lunatic. - Evin

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This has been a discussion through a lot of play-testing, and it was decided that a Lunatic could be shown that *they* had a (fake) Lunatic. The value in the Lunatic is in them having sincerely believe that they're the demon, or at least to have sincere doubt that they're the Lunatic. If the Lunatic is robbed of the experience of having their own "Lunatic", then that's something that demons/lunatics could use to deduce their own true nature. So, yes - a Lunatic can be shown a Lunatic and be the Lunatic themselves. :)

Blood on the Clocktower Thanks for the clarification. I know my play group is very much looking forward to the official release. Thanks for uploading these games in the meantime.

The problem I see with telling a Lunatic that they have their own Lunatic is, you also end up telling them who that Lunatic murdered. And since there’s a certain incentive for a Demon to kill the same people the Lunatic tried to kill, it seems to me you could easily end up in a situation where the Storyteller picks someone, the Lunatic picks that same someone, the Demon then picks that same someone - and now effectively the Storyteller is choosing who dies at night, instead of the players. If you’re doing this, I think you would have to regularly throw a wrench in things by noting down who you told the Lunatic their minions were, and then telling the real-Lunatic that the fake-Lunatic tried to kill one of the real-Lunatic’s (fake) minions, so they feel they have to choose someone else. You do still run the risk that the real-Lunatic decides that maintaining the fake-Lunatic’s illusion is more important than saving minions - especially if they’re hoping their minions will be regurgitated later - but since their fake-minions are likely mostly good players anyway, it’s not the end of the world if they “go along” with the fake-Lunatic’s (i.e. Storyteller’s) “decision”.

Wisq There’s nothing stopping you telling the Lunatic that their Lunatic thinks he’s a demon that doesn’t always kill. The Lunatic can think he’s a Shabbaloth, and think their lunatic is a Pukka. Or, better yet, make it a Zombul. They barely get a chance to kill and minimise the impact on the Lunatic.

This would have been an interesting move if it was possible, but the Mastermind only activates of the demon dies by execution. A Shabaloth targeting themselves would have ended the game. Where you do sometimes see this, however, is in the Sects & Violets edition. If the Evil Twin is in play, the demon will sometimes target themselves at night, and then campaign for *any* player to be executed the next day. When there are no more night-kills after that next execution, it makes that executed good player look very much like the demon, which is misinformation that can lead the town to executing the wrong twin.

The players can’t see what’s going on in the other cottages. It’s a lonely experience.

@@simonpryor877 Yes but they can see that the ST is in the cottage.... and they can see the order in which he visited the cottages, and corroborate it with the night waking order

@@hcshenoy Strange. I never noticed that when I was playing. I guess I was too focused on my own channel and strategy to notice.

@@hcshenoyyou can see all the cottages because you're following the Storyteller who has an admin role in the channel. They players can't see any of the other cottages or who's in them. It's actually quite intense sitting for what seems an eternity for the Storyteller to arrive.

I was actually wondering this and glad somebody asked. Ah, the wonders of Discord!

Drunk players can't have any effect on the state of the game board. While you may give them correct info if you like, they are unable to kill/resurrect/change alignments etc. - Ben

@@BloodontheClocktower ah that makes sense thank you pal. Loving the games I've seen so far 😊

It's hilarious that the fool was the only good person left alive in the end.

That's me! - Ben