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UK Smart Motorways are NOT SAFE - personal experience M6(S) Jan 2021 

Alex Petrie
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OK so not the most dramatic footage ever - but I'll explain what happened to me on the M6 today, when I found myself stranded in Lane 1.
If you break down on a smart motorway, do not assume Highways England will detect this, and basically you have to run the Lane 1 Gauntlet with HGVs.
Having experienced this, I feel the technology & processes in place are hopelessly inadequete, and it comes as no surprise that people are being killed on them.
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@papapabs175
@papapabs175 2 года назад
Three times over the last year & five months, I’ve had to take action because a car/lorry has broken down. It is so bloody dangerous. That coupled with those brainless tossers who live in the middle lane, trying to change lanes is equally a nightmare.
@Loosehead
@Loosehead 2 года назад
Those "brainless tossers" have already decided the LH lane is no place to be driving at any time. Effectively its become a hard shoulder.
@looneytoons2878
@looneytoons2878 2 года назад
To me this seems very sinister
@paulkeith9680
@paulkeith9680 Год назад
Maybe they're just there to avoid "surprises" in the inside lane? 😉
@looneytoons2878
@looneytoons2878 Год назад
@@paulkeith9680 Avoid suprises, you mean like not being killed
@maestegboyo
@maestegboyo 3 года назад
No hard shoulder is mental,whoever’s responsible for these stupid motorways should be held accountable.But we all know that never happens.......
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
One assumes you never drive on A roads, B roads, or country lanes then? As statistically motorways, including smart motorways incidentally, are far safer. Look at the data, its all there, in the public domain.
@Oxorius
@Oxorius 2 года назад
@@deanrogers6028 You don't drive 70 mph down country lanes.. It's about the speed of the vehicles that's not safe.
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
@@Oxorius, "its the speed of the vehicles thats not safe". So, going by that logic, as it is the driver who decides the speed of the vehicle, it is therefore the driver at fault and NOT the smart motorway itself! Just right royally shot down your own argument there didn't you. And I also see that you didn't argue my point about A and B roads, you only mentioned country lanes. Would that be because you can't argue with me about those roads? Give it up mate, or try harder, as you really are failing here.
@Oxorius
@Oxorius 2 года назад
@@deanrogers6028 ok
@scottmarcil5050
@scottmarcil5050 2 года назад
@@deanrogers6028 maybe do a study yourself and put yourself in his shoes. Easy to talk statistics till your in this situation
@mr01steam
@mr01steam 2 года назад
My next car is going to be a SHERMAN tank covered in Strobe lights! Maybe a ramp on the back so they go over the top in an accident?
@robertsmuggles6871
@robertsmuggles6871 2 года назад
The 4-axle rigid lorry steaming towards you weighs up to 30Tonnes. Your stranded stationary Sherman tank in lane 1 weighs 33Tonnes. The current British challenger tanks weighs 64 Tonnes - I would go for the challenger if I were you.
@omds
@omds Год назад
The best comment here 👏
@imranramzan1795
@imranramzan1795 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing your experience, luckily I am based in the north, We’re 20 years behind and there’s no smart motorway here. Glad we have 2 lanes plus the hard shoulder, appreciate it more now!
@spartacus4715
@spartacus4715 2 года назад
Removing the hard shoulder is one thing. But to then erect the crash barrier so you are contained in a live lane is a double whammy ! There are many miles of motorway where the barrier could be placed 6 feet back, at least giving a broken down vehicle half a chance to get out of the way. Granted, this can't be done everywhere, but it would give people a better chance at surviving a breakdown.
@laurenanderson7330
@laurenanderson7330 2 года назад
Yes, what if the driver is in a wheelchair? Death sentence
@darren25061965
@darren25061965 2 года назад
Ahh, but if you move the barrier back, 6 months later some idiot will decide theres room for another live lane, thereby defeating the object of adding a safety space.
@flammenjc
@flammenjc Год назад
@@laurenanderson7330 Well I don't think there's much the highways agency could do about that in any case.
@laurenanderson7330
@laurenanderson7330 Год назад
@@flammenjc ummm what is it we are debating in the first place?
@TheSynthnut
@TheSynthnut 2 года назад
If something contains the word "smart" you can bet that it's anything but. Smart is synonymous with the gratuitous use of technology and is bound to fail some of the time. In the instance of motorways, this is a mind boggling gamble with people's lives and should be reveresed. What's crazy is the continuation of these projects. However, it's obvious that Highways England have no respect for the rule of law anyway, with their announced continuation of the Stonehenge tunnel, despite it being ruled unlawfull in court! Their sole mission it seems is to channel taxpayers cash into the hands of private contractors.
@leemorrison7113
@leemorrison7113 Год назад
Sorry to hear you had to go thru this Alex. When you hear an intelligent man and sensible driver state there was literally nothing more they could do, they were fearing for their lives and the lives of others should someone hit his stationary car... it says it all really... People should not have to feel this way.. A total loss of power is the nightmare smart motorway scenario... i would guess this would have been even more terryfying had he not managed to get in lane 1. Your then left with the awful decision of deciding whether to stay in the car or get out and run for your life :(
@cougar02000
@cougar02000 2 года назад
It always terrifies me when driving on smart motorways, just in case I break down. Maybe smart motorways should be called "Not very smart motorways", smart motorways are dangerous beyond belief. Whoever thought of the smart motorway and whoever implemented this dangerously stupid idea should spend time behind bars.
@Supraboyes
@Supraboyes 2 года назад
But it's safer than before. People are still going to die, but less people will be involved so it's working
@rogueuniversities6866
@rogueuniversities6866 2 года назад
@@Supraboyes Nonsense
@robertsmuggles6871
@robertsmuggles6871 2 года назад
@@Supraboyes I've driven down these smart m-ways - they don't 'feel' very safe.
@Supraboyes
@Supraboyes 2 года назад
@@robertsmuggles6871 why not?
@Supraboyes
@Supraboyes 2 года назад
@@robertsmuggles6871 I suggest you stay off the motorway then.
@radiocaroline199
@radiocaroline199 3 года назад
Highways England charged you £150 what a cheek when they removed hard shoulder totally disgusting.
@pentaveratevideo
@pentaveratevideo 3 года назад
Highways don't charge for recovery. The recovery company does. If your recovery company gets there first, it doesn't cost anything. Highways use the same powers as police to recover vehicles and they can do it if you're on the hard shoulder.
@philpinto
@philpinto 2 года назад
I would have just refused the charge and said take me to court. I bet you any money the judge would have thrown it out.
@pentaveratevideo
@pentaveratevideo 2 года назад
@@philpinto you would lose that bet. Your car is taken to a secure compound and you don't get it back until you pay the charge. As stated, the vehicles are removed under the exact same powers that the police use.
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
Thats shows your nievity over a subject you obviously know nothing about. National Highways as they are now known DO NOT charge for recovery. They only arrange recovery, if and when, either the broken down vehicle is in a dangerous location, I.e a live running lane, OR the driver / owner is unable to arrange their own recovery. National Highways make no money from these recoverys as they are conducted through a third party organisation. They ONLY remove vehicles if they are considered to be a danger to the travelling public, in which case they can be removed immediately, OR, if they are in a safe location the vehicle has not been removed after a period of time which is normally considered as being 2 hours, which is considered a fair period of time for a driver to have arranged his own recovery
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
@monsieurtechnical, you really have no idea do you. National Highways, as they are now known, DO NOT, charge for any recovery. The third party recovery agent charges a set price as set out by the DFT. Maybe you should be moaning about drivers who have no recovery in place when the travel instead. If all drivers had recovery there would be no need for anybody to be charged would there. Maybe a little more personal responsibility is needed rather than blaming others.
@patmccaffery1543
@patmccaffery1543 3 года назад
They take the hard shoulder away and then take your £150 away.....what an absolute disgrace.
@stevekenilworth
@stevekenilworth 2 года назад
id refuse to pay, arrest me all i care. something simple like a flat tire if not possible to slowly get to small pull in id say tow me for free or i change tire here with you providing me cover
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
@@stevekenilworth, really? Will not happen. Oh and by the way, If your vehicle breaks down in a live running lane, they have a legal obligation to remove the danger, I.e the stranded vehicle. If you refused to pay, the vehicle would be removed, with police assistance if necessary, anyway. Believe me, I've seen loads of people try exactly what you've said, and not a single one has msnaged to stop their vehicle being removed. But maybe you're special and it wouldn't happen to you. Or, maybe, you could have breakdown cover. Just a thought. Oh and heres another thought, the vast majority of vehicles with flat tyres CAN be driven to a safe location, admittedly not all, but the majority can.
@twobunny8161
@twobunny8161 3 года назад
close them down!!! Deathtraps and also charging £150 what the hell after all the tax we pay
@ilyaasoow
@ilyaasoow 3 года назад
What do you expect? We are the cash cow of our government. Why don't we do a petition to get them to scrap it. Imagine some who is broke and doesn't call them thinking his mate will come and tow him for free!
@twobunny8161
@twobunny8161 3 года назад
@@ilyaasoow Agreed, it’s ridiculous and for chump change as well, what’s £150 to Highways England or the government, especially when lives are at stake. Absolutely ridiculous.
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
@@twobunny8161, NEITHER national Highways OR the government make money from this. The government sets the price and the money is paid DIRECTLY to the recovery agent / company. So for you to say they do is just plain wrong! And also, if drivers took a bit more personal responsibility and had breakdown cover in place they wouldn't find themselves in this situation would they. And as for your ' lives at stake comment, surely its better to vehicles recovered as quickly as possible if lives are at stake? Or do you suggest leaving said vehicles where they are for longer? Therefore putting 'lives at risk' for longer. You cant have it both ways.
@Supraboyes
@Supraboyes 2 года назад
So it wasn't dangerous before 🤪. It's gotten alot safer
@Supraboyes
@Supraboyes 2 года назад
@@deanrogers6028 seen your comments everywhere on this vid, unfortunately you can't educate stupid people. You could show them how accidents have been cut down, they will still turn their noses up.
@turboslag
@turboslag Год назад
Thanks for relating your experience and I'm so glad you weren't yet another victim claimed by so called smart motorways! Maybe your experience helped contribute to the recent decision to cancel this stupid policy but it needs to go further and teturn hard shoulders to all afflicted sections of motorway. I regularly use a section of the M5 that is 'smart', both as a car driver and biker and I hate it. This particular section also has no illumination, which they have been working on for the last 6 years to rectify, wtf can take so long with overhead lighting?! We have been suffering from lane closures for all that time! The M1 was constructed in about 2 years, and that was in the early 60's! One thing that does work extremely well though, speed cameras! Says it all!
@importedmusic
@importedmusic 3 года назад
I'll be coming back to this video after the next big accident that is about to happen on this stretch. Mark my words.
@malcolmmckinlay2143
@malcolmmckinlay2143 2 года назад
Before I re-tired I drove 65 to 70k per year as a Corporate Sales Manager,I saw the introduction of this nightmare of the M40,I could see then the problems it would cause.
@dannyhill896
@dannyhill896 2 года назад
They are dangerous . The government got it wrong trying to pass there greed off as our safety. Lanes too narrow and no hard shoulder. It blows my mind every time . All about this 💰 🤑
@Supraboyes
@Supraboyes 2 года назад
Its cut accidents down
@nicholasdrivingacademy9435
@nicholasdrivingacademy9435 2 года назад
How are supposed to get young children elderly or disabled person out of the vehicle safely and behind the barrier assuming you’re in an ER area. I clocked an era area at 1-5 mile that’s a long way. Smart is the wrong word dangerous is more Appropriate 🛣
@sonnyday6210
@sonnyday6210 2 года назад
I dread the thought of a bus full of children breaking down but it will take something like that, a politician or someone famous being killed Before they admit they were wrong.
@IndigoJo
@IndigoJo 2 года назад
I've had a couple of near-misses with vehicles stopped in lane 1 and I don't use it anymore unless I'm a mile or less from my turnoff or the traffic is moving very slowly. It's just not safe and I don't believe the 'research' claiming otherwise; funny how they discovered that just as they needed to widen motorways but didn't have the money to do it properly. I should add: I'm a truck driver, and I rang 999 to report the stranded vehicles. On one occasion, in Derbyshire, I took the milepost number and gave it to the lady on the other end of the line and was told "we don't know about those, Highways use them".
@nicholasdrivingacademy9435
@nicholasdrivingacademy9435 2 года назад
I’d like to know who came up with the ward Smart! 🤪
@IndigoJo
@IndigoJo 2 года назад
@@nicholasdrivingacademy9435 I first heard it used in the term "smart bomb" during the first Gulf War to mean bombs that supposedly wouldn't miss their targets and hit civilian targets and kill innocent people. They did, of course.
@neilroby4063
@neilroby4063 3 года назад
Hello, sorry to hear about your experience. I do have a question if you would like to answer? The £150 charge..... was this because you didnt have your own breakdown or is this now a new charge that Highways England and profiting from by placing people in danger?
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
In answer to your question. If the vehicle is considered to be in a dangerous location, such as a live lane, the vehicle can be legally recovered immediately by National Highways via a third party recovery agent. National Highways make no money from this. If the vehicle is in a safe location, such as a hard shoulder or emergency refuge bay, a period of time is given to the driver to arrange their own recovery. This is normally about two hours but can be extended. If the driver is unable to arrange their own recovery after this time then recovery is usually arranged, again via a third party recovery agent.
@danielmorris6523
@danielmorris6523 2 года назад
Neil, I broke down on the M6 and was stranded in a 'live lane' and although a police car stopped and assisted in moving traffic over (they were replaced after five minutes by a Highways England patrol) in my case I got lucky and the RAC were with me after about 15 minutes to tow me initially to a refuge area and then put my car on a dolly (my car is DSG so can't be towed on the driven wheels for more than about 15 miles). I didn't get charged anything. If you are charged it is because a recovery agent is called to remove your vehicle. If for example you were driving on the road without insurance and the police stopped you, then your car would be seized (although, sometimes if there is another driver who is insured they will allow them to move it) and taken to a compound by a recovery agent and you are charged £150 for this as well. So the money does NOT go to Highways England, the police, the government, the Illuminati etc. It just goes to the recovery agent. EDIT: if it wasn't immediately obvious to some people (although it should be) I am a member of the RAC.
@fasttrackblastback8286
@fasttrackblastback8286 Год назад
@@danielmorris6523 this is where you are naive to how business works. Yes the money goes to the recovery agent... But highways England more than likely takes bids for contract work from the 3rd party recovery receiving the money. Same goes for police recovery. So they still get money from recovery just not directly for each recovery, but rather for supplying work to the recovery firm.
@jaycee330
@jaycee330 2 года назад
SMH in American. Really? A motorway without a hard shoulder? Call me dumb, but in the US, Interstates are required to have at least a right shoulder (and most have a left shoulder as well).
@rc59191
@rc59191 2 года назад
Ya this is really baffling to me lol did they expect nobody to ever break down? This is a major pile up waiting to happen.
@stephentaylor8843
@stephentaylor8843 2 года назад
That's the crappy British government for you I been driving for over 30 years in the UK now I used to travel on these motorways all the time now I avoid them wherever possible In the UK in the last 5 years 40 people have died on a smart section of motorway where the car has broken down in a live lane and got struck by a lorry Highways agency should be done for manslaughter In France Germany etc this would not be tolerated
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
@@stephentaylor8843, funny that, as the original concept of smart motorways was a Dutch idea! Hmmmm.
@stevenellis2776
@stevenellis2776 2 года назад
@@stephentaylor8843 prosecuted with full weight of the law for negligent manslaughter and banged up
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
@@stephentaylor8843, Dutch idea originally, but let's over look that for a second. The actual number of those killed on smart motorways since their inception is actually 38, to date. 36 of those DID NOT follow the smart motorway advice and drive to the nearest safe location when they could have. Only 2, yes two, of these fatalities could NOT drive to a safe location. So tell me, is it smart motorways at fault or is it drivers who failed to take self responsibility?
@robertsmuggles6871
@robertsmuggles6871 2 года назад
Thanks for this. You were lucky and level-headed. Some drivers might have panicked in such a sticky situation making it worse. I would like to know the original source of this lunatic traffic scheme - and what other new ideas they are working on !!
@tosspot1305
@tosspot1305 2 года назад
They're a French idea I think
@geraintlewis5043
@geraintlewis5043 2 года назад
I totally agree that these motorways are unsafe so the Government needs to stop this madness before there is a huge pile of vehicles and death. It's time for some common sense to prevail.
@Kevin-mx1vi
@Kevin-mx1vi Год назад
It's horrifying that a motorway lane can be obstructed for so long with so few safety provisions. It only takes one driver who's not paying attention and you've got a serious accident. I live near the Manchester to Leeds section of the M62 and I just don't feel safe using it any more, especially at busy times because far too often there's some fool in an Audi doing 90 in the left hand lane whether it's open or not ! A lot of them seem to think they can use it as an extended exit lane for the next junction, even when it's 2 or 3 miles away, and drive as fast as they like to get there.
@jakel8627
@jakel8627 9 месяцев назад
But any driver that isn't paying attention is always a danger, not just on smart motorways.
@paullinnitt5450
@paullinnitt5450 2 года назад
Lots of comments on fewer deaths on Smart motorways. But surely the bigger issue is that by increasing the number of lanes just induces demand, so your busy 3 lane motorway becomes an equally busy 4 lane motorway (but now with less safety infrastructure). Who benefits from this? Not the drivers or the environment?
@kenmerry2729
@kenmerry2729 2 года назад
I would want to know the make of your car. When it was last serviced by a main dealer. The mileage on the car. What speed were you doing as the problem occurred. The passing vehicles should have been travelling at a speed that they could stop in the distance they could see!
@michaelhall7921
@michaelhall7921 10 месяцев назад
I love your video and especially the commentary. I managed to drive our Toyota Land Cruiser with the oil light on for 2 minutes and onto a grass verge. It was all on the Dash Cam. The lanes were open an HOUR after I got onto that verge. It was said I had broken down in the live lane but the video that will be on You Tube soon shows otherwise. 'They' will lie their heads off to keep hold of that £192 gained by false pretenses and think that is how they should conduct themselves but should they? Are the banks taking a dim view of their antics? YES.
@SteveMcIlhennie
@SteveMcIlhennie 7 месяцев назад
Poll - On Smart Motorway would you be able to stop in time if a vehicle 100yds ahead was stopped with parking lights on?
@stevenlangdon-griffiths293
@stevenlangdon-griffiths293 2 года назад
I’ve seen many near misses and I’ve seen the overhead signs saying use hard shoulder (m62 near Harts head services) then I saw a parked vehicle in the hard shoulder, the people were high up on the banking, so the car had been broken down for some while. VERY DANGEROUS! When I was on Facebook and wrote this, they censored my comments.
@rwadley15
@rwadley15 3 года назад
This is enough to put me off using so called "smart" motorways. Especially if I have my children or elderly parents as passengers.
@alexpetrie6190
@alexpetrie6190 3 года назад
My thoughts exactly... I found myself imagining getting the kids to scramble out over the barrier. Total nightmare.
@CandyKoRn
@CandyKoRn 3 года назад
They're planning on expanding the bloody things! It's just completely nuts to not have the hard shoulder.. surely we can have smart motorways WITH a hard shoulder?!
@user-vt5gx4mc2q
@user-vt5gx4mc2q 3 года назад
Trying to imagine what we would do if we broke down towing our horse in the trailer.. 😭 they can’t keep them like this surely 😔
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
One assumes you don't use A roads, B roads or country lanes then? As statistically motorways, including smart motorways, are safer with less fatalities and serious injuries per mile than ALL of the above. Don't forget, A roads dont have hard shoulders or the other safety features built into a smart motorway.
@rwadley15
@rwadley15 2 года назад
@@deanrogers6028 A roads generally have pavements, and I'm going to ignore your comment about B roads and country lanes as you are just being silly. Next you will be saying that statistically there have been no cyclist fatalities on motorways so I should encourage my kids to cycle on the M25 to get to school.
@muhyee294
@muhyee294 2 года назад
Smart motorways are dangerous as lorry driver around London I see examples everyday
@mikeclark4416
@mikeclark4416 2 года назад
The Engineers who thought this one up ,Should be Sued for it . I always wear a yellow reflecto vest ,incase of bailing out of vehicle
@misfit2022
@misfit2022 2 года назад
This is frightening. The last time I broke down I went from 40 to zero in the blink of an eye as the gears went. Luckily I wasn’t on the motorway. The thought of being on the motorway when that happened is deeply concerning. For this reason I try to avoid motorways and would rather stick to A roads rather than get stranded in the middle of a live lane. People say but you’re causing congestion in towns. True but if you take hard shoulders away from motorways you can’t expect people to keep using them. I would rather leave early and take longer to get to my destination.
@pitbulls4088
@pitbulls4088 2 года назад
Is there a way I can make my sat nav only select a roads? My stupid car has an electrical gremlin that makes it break down all the time
@misfit2022
@misfit2022 2 года назад
Pitbulls - I drive a 17 year old car. My infotainment system is a CD player 😁. No sat nav I still have a map in the car
@pitbulls4088
@pitbulls4088 2 года назад
@@misfit2022 old school I see! What do you drive?
@misfit2022
@misfit2022 2 года назад
Pitbulls - Corsa, one of the worst cars ever built on paper but in reality it’s still going
@pitbulls4088
@pitbulls4088 2 года назад
@@misfit2022 oh I had a corsa as my last car. Yeah it’s certainly not a fancy car but those things are bullet proof reliable. Can’t beat Corsa reliability
@johntozer8270
@johntozer8270 2 года назад
When the first section of M1 was built it had no hard shoulder and late friends of mine founded their business on digging one out as motorway was deemed dangerous without one although traffic was relatively low in comparison, so what is smart in doing away with hard shoulder and ten times the traffic
@120barrywilde
@120barrywilde 2 года назад
I was driving down a smart motorway some were near Manchester i had a blow out I had my disabled son in the back who's in a powered wheel chair i was not stopping there i carried on about 4 miles tyre nearly on fire till i found hard sholder i was shit scarred who ever got the idea smart motorways should be sent to prison for all the deaths they have caused
@joules531
@joules531 2 года назад
My golden rule is to never use "smart" motorways. Thanks for sharing this video, which illustrates the dangers of smart motorways very clearly.
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
But you will drive on duel carriageways, A and B roads and even country lanes, ALL of which have far highers fatality and serious injury rates than motorways INCLUDING smart motorways! How's that work then? I assume as you are obviously 'risk averse ' that you don't drive on any of these roads either!
@joules531
@joules531 2 года назад
@@deanrogers6028 You are right about the statistical risks. But most of those that die on these roads are driving too fast. For those that drive more carefully, the risks are actually considerably lower, and one's safety is very much in one's own hands. Whereas if you break down on a smart motorway your life is very much in the hands of the lorry drivers that will typically smash into the back of your stationary car at 55 mph. Your assumption that I'm "obviously" risk averse, is incorrect. I've managed to drive for nearly fifty years without ever having an accident, but I do feel, just like many people" that breaking down on a smart motorway is a risk that I'm simply not prepared to take.
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
@@joules531, thats fair enough. But my point is this, if as you say the accidents that do occur is down to drivers speeding it is not then the fault of smart motorways but is the fault of drivers.
@bombaymolotov
@bombaymolotov 2 года назад
@@joules531 that's just not true. My source: being a Highways Engineer for a local authority and being the one who collates statistics with the local Roads Policing division for submission to the DfT. Per person, per mile of road travelled, the risks on general purpose dual-carriageways are far greater than on motorways or SMART motorways; and that factors in all means of incident. You are far more likely to be involved in an accident when broken down on a general purpose dual carriageway than you are on a motorway regardless of whether or not it is all-lane running, controlled hardshoulder, or a standard motorway.
@joules531
@joules531 2 года назад
@@bombaymolotov you have to remember that the statistics to which you refer cover all deaths. And a statistically significant number of those deaths will occur as a result of excessive speed. However, from experience, I rarely find things to be dangerous on a dual carriageway when driving at a reasonable speed. But if I drive at a reasonable speed on a smart motorway (and when I say reasonable speed I mean 50 - 60 mph) I find a driver travelling closely behind me; often so close that I cannot see their number plate. In any event, your exhortation about safety is a little misleading because, as you probably know, the statistics reveal that deaths on smart motorways are actually higher that deaths on conventional motorways. Additionally, we’re seeing increasing speed differentials on motorways, that have yet to be published, whereby many drivers are now diving significantly slower, to save fuel; and so I suspect that deaths on smart motorways will increase dramatically due to last minute avoidance manoeuvres. In any event, the discussion is whether smart motorways are safer than conventional motorways. And they’re clearly not.
@sonnyday6210
@sonnyday6210 2 года назад
I have stopped using them unless I really have no choice, I would rather it take a bit longer on a journey. They were made to ease congestion on other roads but they are forcing people on to them. It's disgusting that they charge £150 when I allready pay for Breakdown service who will come if you are on a hard shoulder, they should pay it, they caused it.
@baylessnow
@baylessnow Год назад
It's the Eastern European truckers, watching their TV's and talking to family back home on their phones, that you have to worry about and which, the highways numpties have clearly not taken into consideration! What if you don't have a phone with you, or can't afford to just cough up 150 quid, do they just leave you in the lane?
@bombaymolotov
@bombaymolotov 2 года назад
I hope it doesn't, but if something like this ever happens again DO NOT stand between the Vehicle Restraint System and the gantry foundation - the VRS is designed to deflect, if someone had hit the barrier you would have been crushed between the VRS, and the concrete foundation. If you do breakdown, always leave the vehicle and stand on the grass verge at least 50m away and to the rear of the vehicle. Where possible stand as far away from the carriageway as is practicable without falling into a ditch or climbing through vegetation.
@markberry3494
@markberry3494 3 года назад
Disgusting that whoever came up with this idea needs being 'Slapped! Why put peoples lives at any kind of risk.
@Supraboyes
@Supraboyes 2 года назад
But it's cut accidents down. And be was rescued I don't see the point in his vid
@markberry3494
@markberry3494 2 года назад
@@Supraboyes I'm a professional driver believe me this is not a good idea ! This not a statement I wish to argue about.
@Supraboyes
@Supraboyes 2 года назад
@@markberry3494 professional in what sense.
@Supraboyes
@Supraboyes 2 года назад
@@markberry3494 it is a good idea and why not argue, take it your right no matter what.
@markberry3494
@markberry3494 2 года назад
@@Supraboyes HGV is a profession.
@nicholasdrivingacademy9435
@nicholasdrivingacademy9435 2 года назад
I’m a professional driver trainer although I haven’t experienced a break down on a smart to be honest haven’t been on that many. The ones I’ve been on I haven’t felt that safe, in the back of my mind I’m thinking if something goes wrong this could be serious or even fatal. Although the ERA’ are about mile apart some seem longer! Even if your lucky enough to break down near one I say luck thought of being stuck in lane with all those HGV’s etc flying past must be terrifying. Even if you get to ERA area there not that big if there were say large vehicles there’s not much room for other vehicles. Me personally I don’t think there safe with all my experience I’d avoid them if I could. Check out my you tube channel I’ve done a smart motorway a few months ago I felt unsafe. Stay safe out-there! 🛣
@flammenjc
@flammenjc Год назад
It's like the designers never thought "what happens if all 4 lanes are grid locked, where will the emergency services go then?" They're just so far up their own arse thinking it makes a difference to congestion that they no longer think it's a possibility. That, plus the obvious dangers of someone having a breakdown in a live lane. I don't think this motorway system exists anywhere else in the world, and for good reason. All motorways have a hard shoulder and 99.9% of road users [all over Europe at least], respect the hard shoulder and it remains clear. That tells you that despite different driving cultures, the hard shoulder is a logical and unavoidable feature of a motorway and is regarded as such.
@marcobrian1619
@marcobrian1619 2 года назад
This is the future, smart means something else has control. I agree that smart anything is bad news. It's a total disregard to our safety but more for money!!!!!!!!!
@Dixbe89
@Dixbe89 Год назад
They have implemented this in South Wales along the tunnels in Newport due to a lot of accidents there. Problem is, since this system was implemented there has been an increase in crashes but they are adamant it’s a good thing…..i have driven through it before and it’s gone from 60mph straight into 40mph at one point with not enough time to slow safely so it was a load of cars heavily breaking….it’s just awful
@gary63693
@gary63693 Год назад
Your first priority is to contact highways England and tell them you have broke down and tell them exactly where you are, so they can shut that lane instantly
@channelbree
@channelbree Год назад
Imagine how many current drivers, tourists, truckers and all kinds that do not know the correct procedures!
@paularrowsmith9980
@paularrowsmith9980 Год назад
In reality, how instantly is "instantly"? Even with good camera coverage and alert screen operators in the control centre, surely there will always be a time gap from breakdown to effective lane closure for the specific accident location. And mere seconds are precious in life and death situations!!
@RichardJones73
@RichardJones73 Год назад
I had an experience similar although not as bad, but it wasn't even on a smart motorway! My car was playing up on the m4 in Wales, between Newport and Cardiff so I thought best pull over into the hard shoulder, unbeknown to me that the hard shoulder was about to disappear! I had to quickly slam on my brakes to avoid having to come back out into fast moving traffic. Luckily I didn't hit the barrier or other vehicles but it was very close
@billwellington4339
@billwellington4339 2 года назад
How the person who dreamt up this idea can sleep at night.beats me!!
@pkelly5149
@pkelly5149 9 месяцев назад
"Highways" do not charge a motorist for clearing/ towing their broken down car out of a "live" lane and to a safety bay or other place of safety (from where the motorist can contact their recovery). However if your vehicle has broken down on the motorway network, and you do not have any recovery in place for it, or it cannot be moved by Highways from out of the live lane, they may have to arrange recovery for you via a private contractor, who will take you and the vehicle to a place of safety (usually their compound). Release fee is now approx. £200
@scottmarcil5050
@scottmarcil5050 2 года назад
Imagine this is at night and your car is pre hazard light as I mean 4 way flashers. Who will see you then?
@MrToty07
@MrToty07 3 года назад
Highways England do not charge to tow you to an emergency bay, they only charge you the cost of statutory removal if your vehicle can not be moved ie can not be towed via a traffic officer vehicle!!
@photoisca7386
@photoisca7386 2 года назад
You sound as if you are calling the OP a liar. Were you there, do you have actual experience of a similar situation? Towing a breakdown to a lay-by and not a service area seems a pretty weak response by the Highways Authority. I believe a Commons or HoL committee ruled no more motorways should be modified. The government overturned the decision.
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
@@photoisca7386, I have 'experience' of hundreds of such occasions. And in the vast majority the vehicle can either be driven slowly or towed to an emergency bay. Vehicles are only recovered if they CANNOT be moved and whilst there is a charge levied for this neither national Highways nor the government receive one single penny from it. The government sets the charge but the actual cash goes straight to the attending recovery company. And as for 'towing to a service area' are you serious? So you know how far that could be? If you'd never been towed before would you feel comfortable being towed 20, 30, + miles? I've towed people who crap themselves being towed half a mile .
@michaelmouse4024
@michaelmouse4024 2 года назад
That may be true but it rather misses the point being made that SMs are dangerous & should be reversed.
@28YorkshireRose12
@28YorkshireRose12 3 года назад
I Have very grave reservations about so-called "smart" motorways, and that stupid advert with the two bugs splatted on the windscreen definitely does not help - Know the one? "Go Left". What a load of piffle, as if you have the time to plan a way out of the situation, suggesting you should "go left" at the next junction, or "go left" at the emergency bay/phone, "go left" to get out of the car via the passenger side (so no stopping tight against the Armco then!). I seriously think the idiots who dreamt up this murderous idea have never driven a car/other vehicle, let along driven on a motorway. When your engine dies, that's it, you've got seconds to react, not the luxury of time, and two splatted bugs singing a little ditty as you casually bimble along the motorway looking for an exit, or a bay to park in, which can be as much as a mile away. - A mile is 1 minute away at 60 mph. Without power, and in ideal conditions, a car might coast at a reasonable pace for about 15 to 20 seconds, and bearing in mind that it is slowing down all the time, your not going to get more than about 400 yards at best, and your not going coast all the way down to a standstill. Once your speed drops below about 40 mph you are in significant danger. Below 30 mph, you're in serious danger. Imagine too, the havoc which would ensue if this had happened in thick fog. It doesn't bear thinking about.
@Supraboyes
@Supraboyes 2 года назад
They do work, why can't no one see this. There's going to be accidents still it will never be zero. People are to busy playing with their phones when driving. Least now you get notified there's a accident or stranded vehicle ahead so people can slow down.
@28YorkshireRose12
@28YorkshireRose12 2 года назад
@@Supraboyes I take it you work for the idiots behind this hare-brained scheme? Or you're fresh out of driving school? - You have a lot to learn about this cock-a-meme system which does not work. It's no damned good when a vehicle breaks down, and it takes a control room worker twenty minutes to realise there's a problem. It's no damned good after one breakdown leads to a multi-vehicle collision. It's no damned good in adverse weather when visibility is poor and you are the driver who encounters the as yet undetected/unreported breakdown in lane one. It's no damned good after you've ploughed right into that obstruction in, what according to the warning gantry, is supposed to be a clear lane. They are lethal, and you can shove them right up your arse!
@Loosehead
@Loosehead 2 года назад
And they're still building them - no sign of them being halted, or reversed.
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
And they would do that because?
@keithgoodrick-meech3921
@keithgoodrick-meech3921 2 года назад
Whenever you reduce options for drivers, you increase the danger levels. Anyone with 1/2 a brain cell could figure out that they are not good.
@isaactimmins8959
@isaactimmins8959 3 года назад
biggest issue in this is the Armco is too close to the road is it was back a bit further there would be more of a verge & then it's like breaking down on any dual carriageway yes no picnic but no more risky,
@andrewhaines8603
@andrewhaines8603 3 года назад
What would be even better is moving the barrier enough to create a safe area......oh wait a minute. That would be a hard shoulder!!
@isaactimmins8959
@isaactimmins8959 3 года назад
most A roads lack that, & people manage,
@highdownmartin
@highdownmartin 2 года назад
@@isaactimmins8959 A roads have side junctions and lay-bys and people are more aware/ able to react to a tractor turning out or a car turning off. And they don’t often have nearside armco
@isaactimmins8959
@isaactimmins8959 2 года назад
@@highdownmartin speed limit is still 70 regardless, roads aren't dangerous it's the people who use them that are,
@highdownmartin
@highdownmartin 2 года назад
@@isaactimmins8959 tell you what, bang the brakes on in lane one, come to a stand, sit there and tell me how safe you feel?
@henktulp4400
@henktulp4400 Год назад
And this is NOT in darkness...or fog...or in a snowstorm.....
@Dean256
@Dean256 Год назад
There is only one thing that will stop these motorway and it’s a scary thought there will be an accident involving CHILDREN and a lot of them with injury and deaths and after that happens (and it will happen it’s only a matter of time) they will be scrapped and B&Q will be getting a massive order for tins of white paint to put the hard shoulder back in. Also the £150 just to get you to a safe place is discussing…
@muhyee294
@muhyee294 2 года назад
Why not use hard shoulder as a running lane at busy times
@muhyee294
@muhyee294 2 года назад
@Coolio_Wolfus I mean some parts of the motorways they use hardshoulders as lanes at busy times so should just carry on doing that rather than spending millions of pounds on the smart motorways, I am a lorry driver I go all around the uk I can tell u these smart motorways are going to cost a lot tragedies and heart aches. My friend driving a lorry at 50mph could not stop in time to a hit a caravan luckily no one was hurt but any faster it would of taken out a young family and my mate. It is a very bad idea.
@BxnS
@BxnS Год назад
I think £150 is unreasonable purely because on a normal motorway you would have been on the hard shoulder and able to call a recovery truck to get you to a garage or home (depending on distance) for the around the same price
@bowlingbill9633
@bowlingbill9633 2 года назад
First time I went on one I was terrified when I came off I parked in a layby just to calm down, !
@brianlopez8855
@brianlopez8855 Год назад
It makes no sense for the barriers to be so close to the carriageway. Why didnt they leave a grass strip of 3 m width between road and barrier for most of the length of the road. At least you could ditch your car off road in the mud and be relatively safe. It could be towed out after the lane was closed.
@handyandy6050
@handyandy6050 3 месяца назад
THE WHOLE BLOODY POINT OF A MOTORWAY IS A HARD SHOULDER!
@RickRollDetector
@RickRollDetector Год назад
the new smart motorways can detect stopped vehicles though
@stuartboyd6340
@stuartboyd6340 2 года назад
How many levels of idiocy that must of got through to be built !! Anyone in there right mind could tell you they will be lethal
@chrisst8922
@chrisst8922 2 года назад
After all the expense and the delay for the poor bloody motorist. When they finally open the thing they come to the conclusion that anyone who had ever driven on a motorway could have told them in the first place.
@pdtech4524
@pdtech4524 2 года назад
This is why I avoid smart motorways if at all possible⚠️😲😳
@highdownmartin
@highdownmartin 2 года назад
And you’re on your own imagine if you had three or four people in the car and you put it hard up against the barrier so it presents the least target for the next lorry ,how do you get out on the driver side without getting fucking killed?
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
How would you do that on an A road, duel carriageway? Absolutely no difference.
@pitbulls4088
@pitbulls4088 2 года назад
@@deanrogers6028 on A roads people tend to be able to see what’s going on. On a motorway you’re concentrating on a lot more things so reaction times are slowed a lot
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
@@pitbulls4088, wrong actually! Research shows that drivers actually concentrate LESS on motorways because there are less distractions, such as less entry and exit slips, no pedestrians, horses, agricultural vehicles, and traffic all moving in the same direction and at similar speeds. Not to mention residential and business properties on the sides of A roads and duel carriageways with all the associated traffic. Your comment is both wrong and makes no sense.
@highdownmartin
@highdownmartin 2 года назад
@@deanrogers6028 people concentrate more on A roads and duel carriageway. So it’s more dangerous stopping on a motorway
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
@@highdownmartin, may be that is true, maybe its not. But then it begs the questions, if you are saying drivers don't concentrate so much on motorways then how, when something bad does happen, is it the fault of smart motorways? If drivers aren't concentrating like they should be the any collision is the fault of the driver for not concentrating, NOT the system in place on the motorway. By using 'concentration' as a reason for your argument you are actually proving your own argument to be wrong and misleading.
@ScottRae
@ScottRae 2 года назад
sorry, wait.... is the safe area they take you to the next service station, or the next lay by??? they shouldn't be charging for that - that's pathetic!
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
Sorry, wait..... Did you actually say that? They DO NOT charge you for tiwing you to the NEAREST safe location, whether that is to the next emergency refuge bay, (clue is in the name), or to the next service area, if that is nearer. The 'charge' is for a recovery company to collect the vehicle from there if the driver is unable to then arrange his own onward recovery. OR, If the vehicle is deemed to be in a dangerous location or situation where it needs to be removed immediately. Or do you think there shouldn't be any charge at all and the recovery companies should do it for free? Only thing 'pathetic' here is your comment.
@jasoncrook1
@jasoncrook1 2 года назад
And imagine if you were disabled with mobility issues,
@jamiecorrigan3241
@jamiecorrigan3241 2 года назад
You Have To WONDER Just WHO Profits From Smart Motorways ??? Which Companies Build And Install Them, Who Runs Them, Who In Government Is INVOLVED In All Of This ??? If We Knew Where All The Money Goes We May Have A Clearer Idea Of What Is Really Behind It All.
@daddymulk
@daddymulk 2 года назад
Let me just point something out about the Government, Smart Motorways, Many people Dying and being Injured, Electric Scooters in most Town Centre areas, People Dying on them and others getting Injured, Social Media which should of been 16 or 18+ only but children on there, harmful content on them, people taking own lives. Unsafe cars that set on fire and need to be recalled, Range Rovers and Jaguars that Power Steering Fails, these are Dangerous cars on the road. Other countries Ban them untill repaired and allowed on road. UK Government Don't Care About Any Of This! There Only Bothered about pushing New Technology over Lives. If anyone thinks campaigning about Smart Motorways is worth it think again, they are already starting on the New Digital Motorways to control you all, where you drive, what speed you drive, when you all think your helping save the planet in your new Electric Cars, They are already Taking about Drivers of them Not Paying Road Tax, Not that its used to repair the damn roads, They will be Taxing you by the Miles You Drive which is why They Use Climate Change Nonsense to get you In Electric Cars that will be controlled by New Digital Motorways
@bigpants6121
@bigpants6121 2 года назад
Tell Shapps that we dont want his killer smart motorways.
@richardoakley8800
@richardoakley8800 2 года назад
How many duel carriageways do you know with a hard shoulder.. Next.. in one year 7 of my highway maintenance workers friends were killed on a normal motorways..43 were injured. Since smart motorways were introduced accidents have fallen. From the data I've seen 23 % of brakedowns were due to running out of fuel( totally preventable) 37 were due to poor maintenance ( totally avoidable)16 % were just warning light and the vehicle was still drivable( so keep going to the safe area)
@Supraboyes
@Supraboyes 2 года назад
Unfortunately alot of people won't listen. They believe there now should be zero accidents.
@Supraboyes
@Supraboyes 2 года назад
Unfortunately alot of people won't listen. They believe there now should be zero accidents.
@user-ge6dy1ru6x
@user-ge6dy1ru6x Месяц назад
If in doubt about space in front I refuse to use lane 1 and stay jn lane 2 wirh my 44 tonnes .
@jackieleake6548
@jackieleake6548 2 года назад
This is absolutely disgraceful, irresponsible and threatens lives. And then to CHARGE £150. Who is responsible for this total waste of our money?
@johnmetrac2898
@johnmetrac2898 2 года назад
Absolute madness dangerous is not the word smart motorways no hard shoulder death waiting to happen
@daddymulk
@daddymulk 2 года назад
They dont care its Technology and Control of u all over Lives, Just look at vaccines being forced.
@PHILIP3096
@PHILIP3096 2 года назад
whoever thought of smart motorways cant be all that smart.
@nicholadstoap6944
@nicholadstoap6944 2 года назад
They use radar not cameras to spot a car broken down
@cowboy10uk
@cowboy10uk 2 года назад
They use BOTH, but only certain areas have the radar, which are currently being retrofitted to the sections already built.
@isaactimmins8959
@isaactimmins8959 2 года назад
@@cowboy10uk well that's a small victory now.if only they could roll that tech out to the granddad of "smart motorways" the artieral A road dual carriageways like the A1 A50 A38 A14 ect. Noone bats an eye lid at their lack of hard shoulders despite having a 70mph limit on them.
@tombartram7384
@tombartram7384 3 года назад
Who/what do I blame for all this? There are simply too many people living in England, hence too much traffic. Try using motorways in Netherlands/Belgium even twenty years apart ago. A total nightmare.
@janetb6413
@janetb6413 3 года назад
Well that’s why we have Covid & the vaccines to get rid of some people gradually as a long term plan . Don’t worry the population will reduce drastically
@chazsach6594
@chazsach6594 2 года назад
@@janetb6413 What about the 25,000 illegals entering the country in the last 12 months? We are up to 2000 in 2022 already, and they are the ones we know about.
@paulkeith9680
@paulkeith9680 Год назад
@@chazsach6594 I somehow doubt any of those are driving along the motorway....
@paulhiggins6175
@paulhiggins6175 2 года назад
Smart means pain Bet one will be in pain
@RJE48
@RJE48 2 месяца назад
If they are going to charge me £150 to take me 1/2 mile to a "safe place" then I will refuse and wait for my recovery which is free at the point of use! What a rip off!
@andytalbot6719
@andytalbot6719 3 года назад
£150!!!
@pandihire
@pandihire 2 года назад
Smart is not the word I would use for these motorways.
@stevebird8419
@stevebird8419 Год назад
A terrible experience for the poster of the video. And when you think about all those A roads with two and three lanes and 70 mph speed limit it makes you wonder why they have no hard shoulder either.
@iandunipace
@iandunipace 2 года назад
bird brain idea. if i thought it was dangerous from the start why didn't they. mad.
@JohnBarringercopper101
@JohnBarringercopper101 2 года назад
There is no such thing as a dangerous road only dangerous drivers. The proof of this is clear from the number of drivers caught speeding or committing other offences. Also how many drivers have crashes on so called safe roads? Never in the history of the universe has a road had an accident. I have driven over many accident black spots yet never had an accident. Some roads are unforgiving to those who choose not to drive well, and that is the problem!
@pauleff3312
@pauleff3312 Год назад
100 yards at most should be the gaps
@timmayvns
@timmayvns Год назад
Took you 12 minutes to call it in …
@pstanyer1
@pstanyer1 2 года назад
Instead of making 4 lane motorways with a hard shoulder they save billions by making these not smart motorways. But hey it's only a few hundred deaths a year that's acceptable.
@cherryred1732
@cherryred1732 2 года назад
They are horrendous altogether. Can not even change a punctured tyre. And having to drive considerable distance on a flat or the wheel rim to get safe. They should be scrapped .a hard shoulder was relatively safe .there is a horrid piece on m6 j15 to j21. That is a right shit of a place.
@acceleratedsloth
@acceleratedsloth Год назад
This is exactly the reason why people die on a hard shoulder. It is exactly as dangerous and only a complete idiot woukd be changing a tyre there.
@Bond2025
@Bond2025 8 месяцев назад
Keep your car properly maintained. There is NO "slow lane". People driving should meet a minimum standard for eyesight, the ones smashing in to other cars and who can't see others in front of them are the ones in need of eye tests. SMART Motorways rely on SMART Drivers, sadly there are not many about, so they blame everything else they can.
@SCAPE0GOAT
@SCAPE0GOAT 2 года назад
You get charged £150 ! For what ?? Calling the emergency services. Didn't know about that. FFS.
@m9saville
@m9saville Год назад
Why didt you just keep rolling? at around 60mph you can roll for a very long way probably a mile, no need to come to a stop where you did. Smart motorways are not the problem its the people using them.
@XstaticState69
@XstaticState69 Год назад
Not so smart motorways!
@aquanick2001
@aquanick2001 2 года назад
why did it take you 12 minutes to call 999.........should have been done imediately, and from an emergency phone not your mobile...........
@rogueuniversities6866
@rogueuniversities6866 2 года назад
£150? Sounds like it's better to call your breakdown company, rather than 999, which is ridiculous.
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
You are missing the whole point. £150 is charged to pay a recovery company because the driver DOESN'T have breakdown cover in place.
@rogueuniversities6866
@rogueuniversities6866 2 года назад
@@deanrogers6028 nah
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
@@rogueuniversities6866, great response. Not! Care to elaborate? You knowing so much about it and all.
@rogueuniversities6866
@rogueuniversities6866 2 года назад
@@deanrogers6028 Nonsense
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
@@rogueuniversities6866, what is? Talk sense man!! Or maybe you can't manage more than one word nonsensical answers!
@zouzou_u
@zouzou_u 2 года назад
Seems like most of the funding went into the Variable Speed Enforcement Cameras to make $$
@daddymulk
@daddymulk 2 года назад
Dont worry about SMART MOTORWAYS thats old now. M1 AND M6 the NEW DIGITAL MOTORWAYS are coming. Sold to you with rubbish like You will be able to drive faster through roadworks.
@casmatori
@casmatori 2 года назад
You know what else is not safe? Buying a 10 year old second hand Mini.
@pitbulls4088
@pitbulls4088 2 года назад
Nothing wrong with buying an older car if you know how to look after it... there’s a reason we have MoT’s. idk about mini’s though
@daddymulk
@daddymulk 2 года назад
See what David Icke says on it al
@jasonhallam2644
@jasonhallam2644 Год назад
we shouldnt have to pay to be towed off the motorway by highways england due to the fact we all pay tax already so we should be covered through that not to mention that this poor design is not our fault and had there been a hardshoulder we wouldnt need any assistance from highways
@wordreet
@wordreet 2 года назад
Given the option, I avoid these nightmare carriageways like the plague that they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
But you drive on A roads I suppose? You know, those roads with no hard shoulders and none of the built in safety features that are built into smart motorways. Oh and with, in the majority of cases, the exact same speed limits as a smart motorway?
@wordreet
@wordreet 2 года назад
@@deanrogers6028 That's not my reasoning. Smart motorways are a new idea, to save widening existing motorways to SAVE MONEY! A stingy government needs to be corrected, and this is one way to do that, slightly anyway.
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
@@wordreet, so let me get this straight. You don't refuse to drive on them because you consider them dangerous, you don't drive on them because you think the government are stingy! Im sorry, but I'm not even going to try to argue against that weird kind of logic. There would obviously be no point!
@wordreet
@wordreet 2 года назад
@@deanrogers6028 The govt don't care about the dangerous nature of these type of motorways, BECAUSE THEY SAVE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's the point!
@deanrogers6028
@deanrogers6028 2 года назад
@@wordreet, that would be these 'dangerous motorways ' that are statistically, mile for mile, safer than ALL other forms of roads? Again, let me think.....
@terrortorn
@terrortorn 2 года назад
Smart motorways are smart for accountants not motorists.
@user-ge6dy1ru6x
@user-ge6dy1ru6x Месяц назад
When is the great British public going to speak up against their chiefs in charge supposed to look after their lives??
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