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Ultimate Autococker Build - Pneumatics and Internals Part 3 

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@DustinVang
@DustinVang 5 лет назад
this is probably the most accurate and easily understandable description of autococker pneumatics I have seen. well done :D
@PaintballRuinedMyLife
@PaintballRuinedMyLife 5 лет назад
Thank god. I was thinking was too much information too quick.
@reignick1133
@reignick1133 5 лет назад
Bolts ( or specifically bolt mass) only really matters when you are pushing an Autococker to be as low pressure as possible High flow bolts their benefit goes without saying but a really lightweight Delrin bolt coupled with a larger ram = you now have less pressure on the bolt's return stroke making it easier to tune the Autococker to Pinch paint. The same can be achieved via slowing down the return stroke of the pump arm via a QEV with threaded exhaust port and the addition of an adjustable flow regulator. The inception Gentle touch ram already is flow restricted on purpose to be a little slower in it's return stroke than it is it's rearward stroke by design. The Inception LPR is essentially Simon's take on the AKALMP "Soda Can Mod" regulator and for what it is it's a high flow regulator capable of very consistent recharge and pressures. Likewise the Inception Designs UFC 3-way is Simon's take on the Shocktech Bomb and Dye "Rocket" 3-way. If you were to say use a very lightly sprung hinge trigger ( such as a CCM Dye or Eclipse hinge frame) you could build a 100% mechanical Autococker capable of reaching ROF's of 14+ balls per second. Literally as fast as the shooter's fingers would allow once properly timed tuned & sweet spotted. *Edited to fix kerning errors and typo's*
@LordHyren
@LordHyren 5 лет назад
clippard does make 1 way flow restrictors that you can use on the front of the ram to allow air to flow easy in but not out.
@reignick1133
@reignick1133 5 лет назад
@@LordHyren they do but the key is to be able to dial in the needed flow rate as to not slow down your ROF to a dribble, but to just slow down the closure of the bolt enough to not rip a paintball in half making an absolute mess in your breach. I have been experimenting with the Clippard MEV-2 QEV a 10-32 90-degree coupler and an SMC ASN series speed controller with silencer (ASN2 U10/32). With this combo you have a lockable control right on the flow restrictor which allows you to dial in the closing pressure which will slow down the ROF but within acceptable parameters to have a fast 100% mechanical Autococker which can keep up with most of the electronic paintball markers you will see on the field any given weekend while still being gentle on paint. In both theory and practice it's essentially the same concept as the Dual LPR G-Force "Gemini" front block and their "4-way" ( really a "6-way" if you count exhausts same as say a Shochtech Bomb, DYE "Rocket" or Inception UFC "3-way" is in actuality a "5-way" in terms of available gas pathing.) spool valve which would connect to the timing rod. The only difference is instead of a pressure differential between both sides of the Ram's piston via two separate sources of low-pressure air being shunted through a 6-way spool valve. You are controlling the vent timing of the forward stroke of the ram, introducing a rearward bias into the system via dwell as opposed to pressure. I feel almost as if I am giving away a "trade secret", but one really can not trademark such a method of flow control to introduce dwell as it is in the public domain. The only way said similar system was patented was with the aforementioned Gemini front block and that's due to the very specific design. Said design being sadly LONG out of production but like pneumatic assisted trigger frames and the MQ/MQ2 valve are TIGHTLY guarded patents which cannot be manufactured for the purpose of sale WHATSOEVER...And the patent holders have ZERO desire to manufacture even though in today's market they most definitely would see a return on investment. I like many others are awaiting these patents to run out on Said Gemini front block and other designs so that we can manufacture and sell our own variants. But we've still got quite a few years until that happens... *IF* it happens at all, as patent renewal is definitely a real thing.
@whatsupmuppet8733
@whatsupmuppet8733 5 лет назад
When your favorite RU-vidr posts a video during break!
@aaronroper7463
@aaronroper7463 5 лет назад
This is great! With a better understanding of autocockers maybe I'll keep my Resurrection.
@keepushing333
@keepushing333 5 лет назад
It was expensive and sometimes obnoxious ensuring they were dialed in, but god I miss the autococker days. E1 and E2 changing the game back then. Custom builds and frames with crazy cut out milling. Pop Pop Pop Pop!!!
@CoryDAnimates
@CoryDAnimates 5 лет назад
Reminds me of a Works or CCM AC! Looks so good!
@Donkles
@Donkles 5 лет назад
Cool series, Brad. More pls.
@jacobwilbert1018
@jacobwilbert1018 5 лет назад
Kool vid Brad, not to gas ur head up but probably one of the most informative vids for people that have no idea when it comes to 'cockers - with the visuals and explanations. 👍
@StephenFordQuestionMark
@StephenFordQuestionMark 5 лет назад
Really informative cocker build video... *warning! cocker theory crafting below* I agree with you about AKA's tornado valves being too expensive. Talking to a friend of mine who used to tech cockers all the time he really digs the design of the Empire resurrection valves as an upgrade to AKA's valve if people were looking for a cheaper alternative which performs as well but won't give you e-cred. As far as the venturi vs open face bolt... I think AKA lightning bolts pioneered the notion of open face allowing lower pressure... But I don't think the face of the bolt has as much to do with it. Most venturi styled bolts had a relatively large air chamber that needed to be filled before air pushed through those holes to the ball. In contrast, the AKA bolts (and later 2k+ cocker bolts I believe) milled the air chamber to effectively curve toward the open face of the bolt and the paintball. This is what requires less pressure... your air has a smaller chamber to fill and it's not having to go 90* opposite the direction it was traveling when entering the bolt's air chamber.
@LordHyren
@LordHyren 5 лет назад
The inception designs valve and madmann rocket valve are both quite nice for the $50. The inception is very similar to the aka in design. You can also get shocktech and ans valves on ebay for $25 and they work pretty well too.
@philly7857
@philly7857 5 лет назад
Keep up the great work!
@JdawgMMAblog
@JdawgMMAblog 5 лет назад
Sorry if you mentioned it already, but what is your intent with the marker when it's done? Is it to play with or is it open for purchase, or a contest or something?
@thomasrhame3220
@thomasrhame3220 5 лет назад
Is the red chamber auto cocker body specific to the meteor 1 body, Or does it fit all bodies? I’m glad you’re doing these videos I’m building one myself so the references are a huge help.
@yinglish119
@yinglish119 5 лет назад
Meteor bodies
@thomasrhame3220
@thomasrhame3220 5 лет назад
yinglish119, Thanks for the info
@WarbossRB
@WarbossRB 3 года назад
This is just a shot in the dark if it gets answered but for the fastest timing would I be better off getting Palmer's pneu kit that has QEVs built into the design?
@chasesf1
@chasesf1 4 года назад
Dealing with autococker bolts the two o rings on each side of the valve hole are a big deal. I had a Derlin one with no o rings and my autococker shot consistently close to 260 FPS. I replaced it with a bolt with large sized o rings and it shot 290 FPS
@JdawgMMAblog
@JdawgMMAblog 5 лет назад
You had me at 3 way ram...
@fnxtugboat3541
@fnxtugboat3541 5 лет назад
ah this makes me want to build the 3 i have laying in pieces lol
@LordHyren
@LordHyren 5 лет назад
Venturi bolts are intentional flow restriction which can help very brittle paint survive the acceleration from very high pressure bursts of air. These helped you shoot more brittle paint with cockers running over 400psi at the valve. Almost nothing modern needs 400 psi OP so it's a moot point these days. Your a bit backwards with the GTR ram. It doesn't have more front area but less back because the shaft is thicker, this allows the marker to still have enough force to recock the hammer but has lesser force when returning forward, helping you tune for pinching paint rather than chopping. It shouldn't affect your lpr pressure but rather improves your paint handling.
@Tehexpl0it
@Tehexpl0it 5 лет назад
I just got my 1st cocker granted its a predator ac but watching this made me understand some things of it.
@duanelopez8369
@duanelopez8369 2 года назад
Does the Meteor Red Chamber work on WGP bodies?
@maxxon99
@maxxon99 5 лет назад
If you're going to lock down the cocking rod, you need a side adjustable IVG. The regular ones require you to take off the cocking rod every time you adjust velocity...
@LordHyren
@LordHyren 5 лет назад
ccm and inception ivgs are broached for allen keys such that you dont need to remove the cocking rod
@maxxon99
@maxxon99 5 лет назад
@@LordHyren I know, I have CCM ones on my cockers. Just that they are hardly standard IVGs if you e.g. buy a cocker internals set.
@billynoresco6370
@billynoresco6370 5 лет назад
I wonder how much you are going to sell this cocker for when it’s all done?
@LordHyren
@LordHyren 5 лет назад
He will probably keep as meteor is now out of business, selling now is dumb, it can only appreciate now especially with mech play coming up.
@billynoresco6370
@billynoresco6370 5 лет назад
Oh yea?
@zacharykeim9564
@zacharykeim9564 2 года назад
Anyone make a hoseless pneumatics kit?
@benjaminkitchen7562
@benjaminkitchen7562 5 лет назад
Are the hoses anything unique or are all the front hoses for ACs basically the same?
@TreyVaswal
@TreyVaswal 5 лет назад
The input from the LPR is always the center barb, but there two fundamental designs (2 oring and 3 oring) that flow opposite each other. Also hinge frames and slide frames activate the 3way opposite each other (sliders pull, hinges push), so mixing and matching changes routing of the hoses to the ram.
@LordHyren
@LordHyren 5 лет назад
There are 2 hoses used. 1/16 ID and 3/32 ID. Most newer stuff used 3/32 because it flowed better.
@AidsHa
@AidsHa 5 лет назад
Hahaha I hope you just don't get a shocktech gun fighter frame because right both our meteor are identical the only difference I can see is I have an inception feed neck a bomb 3way but every thing else is exactly the same
@ilovepancakes51
@ilovepancakes51 5 лет назад
What's the most durable/ easiest to maintain out of box cocker?
@sanchoMDB
@sanchoMDB 5 лет назад
Alex Redmond you’ll be looking into the inception designs guns for ease of tuning. Anything that’s not pre-98 will be reliable but they can be made to be just as reliable.
@SlimPickens0
@SlimPickens0 5 лет назад
WGP Trilogy. No timing necessary due to the fixed actuating rod. All you ever need to do is put air to it and go. They actually shoot surprisingly well, and can be had dirt cheap. Nothing even compares in the world of autocockers for being as beginner friendly as possible
@sanchoMDB
@sanchoMDB 5 лет назад
TJ Jahn this^ I forget about trilogies. They’re usually under $100 too
@curtiscoursey1492
@curtiscoursey1492 5 лет назад
Oh and will you say what hopper and tank you will use on you autococker when your done
@toddles1977
@toddles1977 5 лет назад
Mech cocker.... gotta rock a revvy!
@Isaac_L..
@Isaac_L.. 5 лет назад
Tank and hopper are really a lot of preference and based on budget.
@ashravenpb
@ashravenpb 5 лет назад
Get body modded to be pal compatible?
@tyronejk
@tyronejk 5 лет назад
IVG - "Internal Velocity Governor", not "Guide"
@ydna
@ydna 5 лет назад
Internal Velocity Governator!
@curtiscoursey1492
@curtiscoursey1492 5 лет назад
Brad I’m looking to get somthing new as I am still shooting a Jt impulse but I want somthing gog so mabe a shocker rsx? Any help would be great
@virtual_balboa
@virtual_balboa 5 лет назад
Gog is garbage
@ashravenpb
@ashravenpb 5 лет назад
The rsx is a great marker, especially with how low prices are
@jaketheripper7385
@jaketheripper7385 2 года назад
If venturi bolts didn't work, then companies wouldn't be making them my guy lol. They require a good deal of additional machining and as such require further secondary operations as well. They're substantially more costly to produce than a simple open-faced design or something. Concordantly, if you compare the prices of these designs and what the manufacturers are pricing them at, they tend to be pretty similar. So why would they even bother to put all the additional R&D into such a product and then spend MORE money on the processes to manufacture them only to then sell them at competitive prices in comparison to other simpler designs? Last I checked, that's not how a gimmick works mate...
@PaintballRuinedMyLife
@PaintballRuinedMyLife 2 года назад
TechT is a great example.
@hutchison5998
@hutchison5998 5 лет назад
You should hydrodip it when ur done
@curtiscoursey1492
@curtiscoursey1492 5 лет назад
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