Ultimate Drummers In Ear Rig! Yamaha EAD10 

Great stuff, I'm glad it helped

What issues did you have? I have a show coming up soon and I’m using backing tracks and IEM’s?

@@stevegodfreydrums The headphone out from the EAD10 is much too loud for me. This setup gives me control over the mix, so that I get a sense of what the EAD10 output is, without it overpowering the rest of the mix.

⁠but you can turn that down and get the sound engineer to set volumes of the band members and backing tracks also right?

Great stuff!

Thanks for the comment 👍

Why is the DI better?

@@petedeluca4648 A few reasons - splitting will induce a drop in audio - only about 3db - but that will not be consistent across the frequency spectrum ... so tone will alter a bit. Also ... for longer runs a DI will be less noisy. And DI's offer other advantages, like galvanic isolation and ground lift where required, as well as providing an XLR, the standard for FoH audio.

@@psmail007 That‘s good to know! Also, now I know what to do with the extra space I have, as I could only find a used Metro 20 instead of a 16. 😅

Thanks for showing this - it's EXACTLY what I was looking for and I actually understand it! How is this mounted - on a stand or ?

So glad it’s helped 👍

Thanks for the comment, it's funny you say that about the cowbell... I had a gig recently that I needed the cowbell for and suddenly realised it would have to go somewhere else lol.

@@MikeKeaneDrums Hello again, Mike! Just curious as to where you actually situate your rig in relation to your kit while playing, so you can access the controls as needed. Thanks!

@@lens3720 hello! I put it on a little stand next to me. If you would like to see a short video of it feel free to send me your email or social account and I can send it to you 😊

Actually if you go to my Instagram page you can see the video there... @mikekeanedrums

@@MikeKeaneDrums that would be great! My email is lendrums22@yahoo.com. Thanks!

Thank you 😊

Thank you for the comment. Sure thing I can do another video in the future showing the system in action live. As for your question... If I'm using the EAD as the main drum sound for the PA I simply take a jack lead from the other output of the splitter. You can see the splitter in the mono out of the EAD in the video. That lead then goes to the bands mixing desk. They then send that sound to their own in ears and also to the PA speakers. Whats great about using the splitter is that if the drums need extra mixing to sound right in the room from whoever is doing sound, it doesn't affect what's coming to my ears. If it's not being used for the live drum sound for the band i still use this system as my own monitor mix. That way I don't need any drum sound coming back from the bands desk. If i want the drums louder or quieter in my ears i just turn the knob. Hope it helps!

Thank you for the comment, the desk is being powered by one of the green Cioks cables. The output from the power brick is set to 12DC500. Hope that helps!

Glad you like it mate, yes by all means send me a message with any questions. @mikekeanedrums on Instagram.

Hello, Thank you for the positive comments. The EAD is plugged into 2 inputs of the Cioks DC7 because it needs both. I emailed Cioks to ask whether I could power the EAD from the DC7 unit and that's how they said it should be done. The DC7 comes with different coloured leads as well which do different things. I would suggest contacting them directly to ask. The tablet stand I use is the Hercules DG320B Tablet Holder. The Pedal Board I use is the Pedaltrain Metro 16 which i put onto a music stand so I can adjust the height to be comfortable while I'm playing. Thanks!

@@MikeKeaneDrums thanks for the quick reply. You rock!

Hi Bruce, thank you for the comment. The EAD and Mixer are plugged into the Cioks DC7 underneath the pedal board using the leads that come with the Cioks. All very neat and compact!

Hi Mark, sorry for the late reply. To reduce any feedback on stage you need to watch the gain levels of the mic. I have the screen on the whole gig and if i see the gain going over unity I turn the mic gain down. Also be careful using the compressor live as it can cause feedback. I have the compressor on the first dot and it's enough. I use it for all music types, I do a lot of work for tribute acts which can be anything from rock to blues, jazz etc. This unit works great no matter what.

Nah the click wouldn’t come through I’m pretty sure.

Hi Morton, thank you for the message and it's great to hear you are putting a board together for yourself. Yes you can get enough bleed from the rest of the band. You can change this as you go using the the mic settings in the EAD. You can alter the gain of the mic and trigger really easily. I do this every gig actually to make sure I'm not overloading the unit.

Fantastic 😊 One other question. How did you mount it all to the pedaltrain? It looks super stable.

@@mortonfrankfire5400 I’m using strong sticky Velcro

@@MikeKeaneDrums game on! I’ve literally just replicated your set up. I tried using a different desk but it was too big.

Yes I know, the reason I don’t do that is the EQ output is different for the headphone output and I prefer the sound of the normal output.

Hi mate, thanks for the question. I actually take the click out of my set list app on my iPad and plug that into the 3rd channel of the desk. If you have a look through the comments on the video you’ll be able to see some people have configured the EAD to send the click out of the headphone output if that’s what you’re after.

The way I have it set up doesn't affect the FOH at all. This is why i put this together with the splitter, gives me complete control of my in ear drum mix without affecting FOH.

@@MikeKeaneDrums Hey Mike, so do you just take the cable from the drum wedge and run it directly into the MG06? If so, do you tell the sound guy to mute the drums so that you're only getting the rest of the band from your FOH monitor mix and then your drums are strictly coming from the EAD, or do you like to have some of the drum mix from FOH as well?

Hey, thanks for the comment. I haven’t actually. At the time when I put it together I don’t think I had a cable the right length and I just never changed it!

Thanks!

Hi, thanks for the comment. I believe there is a DC5? Just double check it has the outputs you need. I think the DC7 is the one which has the USB charger on it which is a reason why I bought that one. Let me know how you get on! Thanks!

Thanks Mike, I used in ears with the EAD for the first time last week. I just had a feed back from the band mixer to the aux in on the EAD it was ok but not ideal. Can you get the band mix in both earpieces in your setup .

@@steveroberts4650 yeah it’s not amazing quality taking it into the aux in. Yes this set up gives great quality to both ears.

You don't need anything to boost the signal to FOH, I've not had any issues.

Hi Julien thank you for the comment. I think it sounds great for stage use. You will have to experiment with the gain and compression to find a balance as like you say if you have it running too hot it will pick up everything else on stage. I would also suggest not using any other presets such as distortion as they don't really work in the live situation. As far as your cymbals, I've found the cymbals are the quietest part of the kit, this is down to the the fact they are physically further away from the mic in the EAD unit. With it being a stereo pair microphone the most important thing will be that you play evenly as in your internal dynamics to mix the drums into the microphone. As in most things I don't think that buying one device will solve all problems, the mixture of the EAD into the MG06 into my In Ears (which are moulds, the Shure's are back ups) all work together to produce a sound I'm happy with. I really do love this set up though, the most consistent sound from gig to gig in my ears. I hope this answer helps, by all means ask as many as you like :)

It does but I'm actually just using some really strong velcro. The power brick underneath is drilled in. Thanks for the comment!

@mikekeanedrums… you drilled the Cioks into the pedal board?

Hi Kyle. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I don’t have a link for the splitter but I’m pretty sure I got it off Amazon. The EAD is being split between two dc outputs because that’s what Cioks recommended. I emailed them about what I was planning to do and that was their advice. Cheers!

Hi Keith, thanks for the comment. The EAD works by using the stereo microphones in the unit that goes on the bass drum and mixes it with the bass drum trigger. This goes into the EAD box which is connected to my board. This then processes the sound and you can manipulate it to create a sound you are happy with. Because it is essentially a core microphone in the middle of the kit you have to make sure you don't have the gain of the mic's too high as it can pick up the rest of the band and cause feedback. A lot of people I know have also had issues because they have tried to use a lot of the effects you can add to the sound, this can also cause feedback in a live situation. I use a very small amount of compression and reverb and have the gain level just enough to hear the whole kit. The splitter in the back is to send the drum sound to my little desk for my in ears and to have the option to send the drum sound to a bands mixing desk if needed. Hope that helps!

You are correct, thats the beauty of it. My mix for my ears and a separate flat feed for the sound man! Cheers

I have the EAD10 i found the Audio volume wasn't loud enough in the Earphones if I connect that mixer will that boost the Audio so I can hear it comfortably? Your vid is real cool love your setup.

Do you have the answer? I have the same question

@@romichelnavarro5953 Hey mate I didn't solve the problem yet. I bought a TM2 Trigger module and send one channel to FOH, the other one in the Audio In of the EAD10. Greetz

That would work too. I already had a splitter and short patch cable so did it this way. I also didn’t want to menu dive during a gig to turn the headphone output up or down without affecting the main out to the desk (if I’m using the EAD for the drum sound at the gig). Thank you for the comment!

Thank you for the comment. Yes you can take a click from the EAD, you just need to change the routing setting of the click in the EAD itself. You would also need take your drum feed to your small desk out of the headphone out of the EAD, not the MONO output like I've done. I have my click in the Set List Maker App on my ipad along with my charts so I don't use the EAD click.

@@MikeKeaneDrums OK, thanks, and do you then put that into channel 2 on your mini mixer? So on your mini mixer you have click in and monitor in from the desk? Your EAD drum mix is taken in the full monitor mix? So your EAD drum mix goes direct to the main desk? Thanks for your help

@@maxbaynes Channel 1 of my mixer is just the drums from the splitter out of the MONO out of the EAD. IF the drums need to go to FOH then they have the other output of the splitter. This way they can mix the drum sound however they like for the room and it doesn't affect me at all. Channel 2 of my mixer is the rest of the band mix with click if they are providing it. I never have drums coming back through the bands monitor mix as I already have that in channel 1. This allows me to turn the drums up or down independently from the rest of the band on the fly to my in ears without effecting anyone else. If I'm just providing a click to myself, I take a mini jack to normal jack cable from the iPad into the third channel of the desk which I can turn up and down at will throughout the gig. Hope that helps!

@@MikeKeaneDrums perfect thanks

@@MikeKeaneDrums Hi Mike. Thank you for all of your advice I’ve read many of your comments and your advice has helped greatly and what I am trying to accomplish with my EAD10. Now you make me curious what is the name of this set list maker that you use. There are a few to choose from I was just wondering which one you can suggest. Thank you in advance. ❤

Hey, thanks for the message. I’m using a guitar patch cable to go from the splitter of the EAD to the desk for my in ears. The desk is purely for my monitoring so I can EQ the drum sound to my liking. It’s also so I can take a monitor feed of the rest of the band in the second channel. This way I can adjust the volume of the drums and band separately to my ears without affecting the FOH sound. I take a lead out of the second output of the splitter coming out of the EAD which goes to the bands mixer. This way they can EQ or change whatever they like and it doesn’t affect me.

Hey, thanks for the comment. I don’t have a diagram I’m afraid but I hope this helps… The PA gets a feed from the splitter out of the MONO output of the EAD. You should be able to see in the video when I show you the back. My IEM’s come out of the phones output of the mixer. I don’t use wireless IEM’s as it’s set up right next to me. The monitor feed of the rest of the band goes in to the second channel of the desk. Cheers!

@@MikeKeaneDrums Thankyou that helps me

@@strike22000 ace :)

That will work yes for the drum sound but you would still need a way of hearing the rest of the band. You also can't send different mixes to the headphones and main outs so you will have to make do with whatever setting is needed for gig for your ears. You may be happy with that but I wanted extra control of the volume of my drums to my ears. Thanks!

My apologies I've just reread your message, I also thought I could have the band mix into the aux in too but it didn't really work as what you put in the aux will go back out the main outs. Are you thinking of using the EAD to send drums to the bands mixing desk? If not then I guess it should work. You will need adapters though to change the jack or XLR that will be sent to you to from the bands monitor out in to the smaller jack input of the EAD unit.

@@MikeKeaneDrums thanks a lot! I did not know the aux went through to the main out... Damn... :( Then your setup is sheer genius! Maybe you can answer another question: is the click from the ead also hearable through te main out? (Excuse my bad english as it is not my main language)

@@terryemons No problem, yes the click also goes out the main outputs too. I haven't found a way to stop that. It sounds like we had the same idea!

@@MikeKeaneDrums haha! Yeah, well... Great minds think a'like... :P

To run through an interface you would just need to connect the outs with jack cables into the interface. Although you can just usb straight into your computer and it will work as an interface.

Ah, I see... the MG06 doesn't have an aux send... Okay fair enough. At least get a custom adapter cable made up. This will be more robust than a plastic splitter and it will produce less strain on the output jack of the module.

Yeah, I did some digging and there's a real dearth of small mixers with a pre-fader aux. The Soundcraft Notepad-8FX has one and it runs on DC but it has no input pads and it's a little bigger than your MG06. There's also the Alto Truemix 600 and ZMX862 which have similar compromises.

Soundcraft Notepad 5 has a monitor send, trim on the line input and runs on 18VDC.

Thanks for the comment. No I tend to go just over half way for the volume of the EAD. It’s a balancing act with the mic and trigger sensor to not over do the signal.

Yep you can do that as well 👍

@@MikeKeaneDrums thanks, did you update the firmware? Do you adjust the noise gate functionality?

@@clevelandrum I did yes. The noise gate is a handy function!