Ultra Ego Vegeta vs God of Destruction Toppo: Path To Destruction 

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What I got from it was that Toppo threw away sense of justice to gain that power, while Vegeta fully embraced who he was to get Ultra Ego, which is still my favorite form.

The philosophy of Toppo being Vegeta's counterpart, as well as Jiren's philosophy being Goku's counterpart is something incredible.

The way I see it is like this: Toppo is like giving someone a gun and barely training them. Vegeta is like teaching someone everything about guns long before they're ever given a gun to practice with.

My theory is that the Gods of Destruction were all mortals once and had to sacrifice what tied them to the mortal realm to become a true Destroyer, rather than using a Destroyer's power in the case of Vegeta and Ultra Ego. Vegeta is still tied to the mortal realm as an obligation to his family and friendly rivalry with Goku, whereas Toppo does not have an "attachment" per se other than his sense of justice. Toppo's training would have to be longer than Vegeta's, where he understood the philosophical approach to ascending from mortal into full deity.

Maybe part of Vegeta's GOD power is rooted in the guilt he feels for the "sins" committed by his race. It could explain why he gets stronger as he takes more damage. Part of him believes that he deserves to be punished for the bad he's done. The other side of that coin is as he takes damage, his will to battle burns brighter. He's accepted the fact that he and Saiyans before him did things that he no longer feels the need to do. But he thrives in battle. His natural instincts kick in and push him to survive and overcome. Kind of like hitting the skip button on natural evolution.

The technique of the gods does not have a name. It's just hakai state as long as we know. Vegeta was the one who just named his own version of it ultra ego just to spite Goku's ultra instinct basically. I doubt if we see Beerus in this state at some point that he would dub it ultra ego. That would be kind of weird tbh.

I believe Vegeta will ultimately become the strongest wielder of hakai energy eventually.

The way I thought of it was every mortal, in theory, has the potential to tap in Hakai energy, and depending on their innate biology, even transform or mutate with it. And any mortal with enough power and training can learn to do just that, like Toppo and Vegeta. However, no matter what, in order to do so, there is a heavy psychological component to tapping into that power and making use of it. The combination of the psychological aspects and the biological aspects are what make Toppo and Vegeta’s power ups distinct abilities but they are coming from the same type of power. That’s what makes the most sense to me at least.

Vegeta beat Toppo several arcs ago without Ultra Ego. He'd one shot Toppo now.

I would really like to see something in the future, regarding how one truly becomes a God of Destruction and the techniques they learn and how the whole process works. Perhaps in a Beerus origin story.

Imagine a time line where Majin vegeta has ultra ego, giving up everything

Vegeta literally beat toppos god of destruction form with ssb evolution. This same vegeta went on to train with the yardrats and become even more stronger to rival ui debatingly surpass ui omen in power with ssb evolution newly mastering spirit control. Not to mention this was also a stronger UI Omen goku. Then vegeta trained again to obtain god of destruction key. I think this current vegeta is jiren level if not greater by a little. Toppo isn’t touching that

Thumbs up 👍🏻 from me to you bro! Very good explanation of God of Destruction Toppo and UE Vegeta! It’s makes all the sense in the world, The way you explained everything! Definitely looking forward to seeing Toppo and Vegeta evolve the God of Destruction power!

It would kind of be a dope feature for UE, the longer you use it the more powers you unlock. So like the base form makes you stronger as you go along but the next tier nullifies ki attacks, so on so forth, idk, something like that.

Great vid, Danny! I really liked this one. Very well made!

I honestly think their paths to Ultra Ego and God Of Destruction are very similar if you look at it this way, they both had to sacrifice part of their identities/ideals. For Vegeta is was guilt/shame of the evils he had already done holding him back, Vegeta held onto it because he thought it made him a better person - and for Toppo is was guilt/shame of being a god of destruction and the evils he was about to do (instead of a superhero pursuing Justice) because GODS often have to destroy and this probably includes innocent people/things and this was not in line with Toppo's self identity and vision for his life.

Hey D Man i love your content you keep it 1000 about Dragon Ball and you really break it down keep up the gd work bro

Finally! I’ve been waiting for so long for someone to explain this! On the death battle channel Vegeta vs Thor , they said the only thing they could compare UE to was god of destruction toppo, which is not the same thing as UE

Love you man! Huge fan! Keep up the great content.

I have been pondering this the whole time and you have answered every question in my brain

Yes been waiting for this since you mentioned it!

Ultra ego vegeta one shots

5:19 LOVE this image of UE Vegeta with the shining Destroyer earring!!!

You had me with those gamer sheets geekdom 😂😂😂

*Yeah, that would be a STOMP FEST on Vegeta's part, because him and Goku are far beyond there ToP versions now.*

Vegeta upgraded his Ultra Ego abilities in the recent magna chapters I like the explanation on the Hakai techniques

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Great video man.

Awesome vid!

Great video bro 😎

I feel like Toppo's version is a defensive form of the Hakai-power, while Vegeta's version (UE) is an offensive version of it. Toppo gave up his sense of justice so that he could ultimately protect U11 from being erased, using Hakai-energy, so that allowed him to have a form that shielded him from attacks. Vegeta, on the other hand, wanted to use the Hakai-power simply to overcome and surpass any opponent that got in his way, so he gained a form that allowed him to catch up to opponents that could severely damage him. Simply put, they both had very different reasons to use Hakai-energy, and those reasons led to them having different properties for the transformations they gained.

I've seen some discussion, especially with the recent Chapters bringing the Saiyan's heritage more into the forefront again, that Vegeta and Goku may not be entirely compatible with the angelic and destroyer powers they have been learning. It seems like recently they have both basically given up on their saiyan given abilities and go all in on these new techniques and forms. Personally I'm hopeful that they reverse course and go back to advancing as saiyans and use their access to God ki and the techniques and forms that it opens up to them to just augment their super saiyan abilities. Alternatively, I would love to see someone like Krillin, who as a human does not have access to a plethora of transformations, learn how to harness God ki and maybe go all in on it. What do you think?

Great video I never even thought about that lol

I like the comparisons made b/w Vegeta’s abilities & Toppo’s; & the correlations made to Vegeta’s Saiyan instincts as it relates to the differences. It does seem like both characters happened to give something up in their journey’s of personal motivation, but something tells me that Toppo didn’t necessarily have to give up his sense of Justice to use the Hakaishin Ki he’d been training to learn to use; but that the pressure he felt to win the TOP is what convinced him to start using his destruction Ki which he had already obtained before he made that emotional decision to give up his devotion to Justice. And I have a feeling it might be the same for Vegeta, where Beerus used teaching Vegeta to use GoD Ki as an opportunity to both satisfy his own & Vegeta’s motivation to surpass Goku’s UI; & also help Vegeta get rid of the baggage of guilt he ‘s been carrying around. Then again, there may be a little bit of a chicken & the egg/physical vs metaphysical paradox happening where, either the higher abstract motivations that a character focuses on are integral in just even making it physically possible for some like Goku & Vegeta to reach the highest “god” levels of martial arts in DBsuper-like UI & Hakaishin Ki; &/or that the while the difficulty in reaching those highest levels of power just so happens to force those characters to change their core outlook on life, that actually being able to use UI or Ultra Ego/Hakaishin Ki & the personal beliefs & inner motivations a character holds, are categorically separate & independent concepts & phenomena from one another.

Vegeta wins because he doesn’t have to charge his attacks i do wish he has that haki aura.

Vegeta got his transformation to tap into the power WITHOUT sacrificing his guilt. He fought in ue while still feeling the guilt of his race

I want a Vegeta and Toppo to fight and tap into their full power and fight

My man geekdom! His feeding my thirst for vegeta information! Thanks geekdom my dragon ball dude 👌😠

Brilliant geekdom ✌️🧠.

Toppo isn't as much humanoid as he is muppetoid.

Awesome video bro Just by the fact that Vegeta got his God of Destruction earring, it already shows that he is much more advanced than the Top.

GREAT VIDEO ! i always feel like they are the same , but different. their both god of destruction forms, but vegetas is stacked with his god ki, thats why he has the hair color change . toppo only has the destruction ki but not the god ki , thats how vegeta was able to beat him .the ultra forms are god techniques , goku and vegeta worked on that more. i agree toppo has more knowledge of destruction but not as much of god ki

Beerus must feel some pride knowing the mortal he taught to use Hakai energy is now FAR stronger than Toppo lol. I think Ultra Ego Vegeta would wreck most of the current Gods of Destruction, but not Beerus.

Remember that vegeta in dragon ball super that he agreed to be a god of destruction

That fake add caught me off guard lmfaoooooooo

Dude you’re on point

This rivalry in 100 years will be off the charts

I was just thinking about this a few days ago

It personally makes me hope that Vegetas go too Hakai blast is an upgraded Big Bang Attack. Iirc its the least usec attack of his and unlike the Gamma Burst Flash, and the Final Shine Attack, it has no future upgrade. So like- idek how to name it

If we get another Tournament of Power, their rematch would be epic. Battle of the G.O.D.s

This is interesting... I believe Vegeta can be even a more powerful GOD of Destruction than Beerus, due to genetics. We have to see how powerful beerus race is... but Vegeta being an elite and a prodigy, mean that his potential is huge

I like how he explained the "biology" plays a different roles in there powers.

Whis has stated that for you to master these god abilities you have to find your own way. This makes sense considering ultra ego has its own technique with the damage/ power boost multiplyer. If he combines it with spirit fission his blows and attacks could literally not only damage the opponents body, but also their Ki

I would love which 2 God of Destruction Toppo and ultra Ego Vegeta is stronger or powerful;Keep up awesome and amazing job Geekdom 👍

Idk if it's about giving something up but rather giving into destructive desires, embracing them even. But certain values get in the way for someone to accept destruction, such as guilt, or a sense of justice.

I would like to see another tournament of power with God’s of Destruction apprentices from each universe. Epic.

Amazing video...

A line said in the anime that further what geekdom said about vegeta only using this hakai for combat not for destroyer is “I will not throw away my pride to play god” also the sins of the sayains will always haunt vegeta which why another reason he won’t be a destroyer because u can’t feel any empathy for this mantle and vegeta couldn’t finish ghranola because sayains were responsible ghranola taking revenge on z fighters

Everybody know it's levels to this.

Can we please get a blast deflection explained video? Like when Nappa's arm went numb when he deflected angry Gohan's Masenko? or maybe a video on what happens to a person during a beam struggle?? Like what it takes to win and the toll it takes on the body/mind/Ki levels??

Thank you for this video! I have actually been meaning to ask you if the God of Destruction power Toppo used in the Tournament of Power was supposed to be akin to the Ultra Ego power Vegeta uses.

The technique of the gods are usually rather interesting remember there are different forms of ultra instinct the state, the sign of awakening and mastered this may be the same case for Vegeta and toppo the hakai is a form of ki u could enshroud yourself in it as toppo did that's how ki attacks didn't even affect him we just gotta wait and learn

Fully Agree with Geekdom where Vegeta is just using hakai power and is not a full blown destroyer. Remember what Beerus told Vegeta when he said what he needed to do to become stronger that he will have "steal" this power

Show this to Screw Attack for putting misinformation out on Vegeta saying it’s the same transformation when it’s not.

Not super relevant to this video but I finally read the original dragon ball manga before the z arcs and it was amazing. I’ve had Covid for the past few days and reading that has been helping me through it.

Screw attack thinks Ultra Ego and Toppo's GoD form are pretty much the same thing.

Ultra Ego Vegeta vs God Toppo would be sick to see

About the variation of a form it makes sense. An example would be Goku Black and his Rosé form which is something unique to him due to the fact that he's a God with a Saiyan body

Being a destroyer just means willing to destroy without any sense of morale, guilt, or reason... once your past that, you can qualify yourself as a destroyer.

Not sure if you could've gotten any more in depth with the GoDs that tested the ToP battle ground. I don't remember them tapping into their power, but just some food for thought.

Hell Yeah

Ultra Ego Vegeta is better than G.O.D. candidate Toppo. Reason Toppo threw away is pride and sense of justice just to defeat Vegeta, while the prince of all Saiyans had not only adapted the power of G.O.D. energy but made the power he gain from beerus a version that can be close or equal to Goku's MUI.

ultra ego & ultra instinct are specific to vegeta & goku. great video

I really hope we see people from the TOP like Toppo again

Since Beerus is the Strongest Destroyer well atleast in the Manga, it might be that Beerus has this Ultra Ego Technique to make up for not being able to Master Ultra Instinct. That's probably why he wanted Vegeta to learn it especially cuz he reject UI completely. And even if the other Destroyers have UE they probably wouldn't be as good at it as Beerus given how he seems to Goku's Endgame in the Super Series. Or it could be that each Destroyers have their OWN Unique way of tapping into this power. I remember that one Destroyer from Universe 3 I believe was wearing a Robotic Suit. Maybe it was his way of getting stronger or something.

Is it safe to say that in terms of mastery over God Destruction energy does Toppo have more mastery over it do to the markings on his chest

Ironic thing is that Vegeta would need to create an in between form of Ultra Ego so if he needed to spar with his Master being Beerus, he wouldn't risk total annihilation of universe 7. But I can imagine in another tournament of power how Toppo would react to seeing Vegeta with that power.

Beerus sacrifices his heart/empathy to tap into it but you can control your destructive desire when your a master like a god of destruction.. instead of toppo getting ultra instinct he abandoned his hearts desire to be a good person a destructive person knows instinctively that they are not good 😂 its just that simple its like making a deal with the devil hence why vegeta says he is hell bound 🤷🏽‍♂️ its divine strictly because its instinct based instead of being evil theres genuine pure destruction like goku genuine pure heart vegeta and goku represents the human race perfectly and its potential and on the other hand beerus and whis in there god tiers

That’s for the Vegeta video

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has anyone ever considered a possible connection of ultra ego and SSJ3? visually both states lack eye brows, and both have that distict brow ridge, like Red God ki is equal to base, Blue is base god plus SSJ, Super Blue/Blue Evolved equal to SSJ2, and now Ultra Ego as a SSJ3 equivalent

Great video. This begs the question. Why did Freiza have the power to control Hakai energy, but could not control Toppo's Hakai?

Vegeta "forsaking" the past to achieve Ego is similar to how he achieved Super Saiyan in the first place.

I have a theory on ultra ego with toppo, toppo was planning to become a full fledged god of destruction and replace belmod. Vegeta in the other hand was only looking for a way to get stronger, so it is possible that belmod thought to train toppo to use the regular power for the gods of destruction and teach the techniques for it such as ultra ego later, and given as vegeta was simply looking for a technique that would allow him to rival ultra instinct goku, beerus must have thought to just teach vegeta how to use ultra ego which could very well be the strongest god of destruction technique that some gods possibly use instead of ultra instinct, also if you remember vegeta was able to use the technique of ultra ego in super saiyan blue although it was less potent than the actual form itself, vegeta stated himself to granola that he was only getting stronger as they fought when vegeta was just in blue, then vegeta unlocked the form of ultra ego when granola dealt that blow to vegeta’s stomach, so in summary, toppo didn’t use ultra ego because belmod just felt it necessary for toppo to learn the base level of destroyer power before learning the more complex techniques like ultra ego, which vegeta didn’t do instead he was taught by beerus to just use ultra ego and not the base level of destruction power

Vegeta and the other Gods getting stronger through damage may have something to do with using destruction power in an opposite way. Damage eventually could lead to destruction. So by using destruction power, it somehow allows one to benefit from damage and therefore avoid complete destruction itself. This is why Vegeta says his form has no limit. And Beerus said that his mind is always on destruction which is why there was no limit to his power.

Tbh I wish vegeta just got the purple glow toppo had. Kinda similar to mystic gohan when I think about it but with purple around him

I don’t get why people discuss this fight. If vegeta could beat him in ssbe then why would he even struggle in ue. Plus in the manga he doesn’t even have a G.O.D form.

I know the Dragonball super super hero movie is supposed to come out June 11th, but I find it odd that they haven't dropped a new trailer for it yet🤔... I had a few trailers for the broly movie before it came out a month before it was in theaters.. is there gonna be another delay?

UE has tiers just like UI has tiers. Beerus used UI omen in the manga battle royale against the other gods of destruction. But whis said lord Beerus hasn't mastered UI yet.

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I am thinking of something no about this video but what if goku and vegeta had to face the gods of destruction from the universe that didn't take place in the tournament. We know their universes ar consider above the other but we don't know why. some think their gods of destruction unlocked ultra instinct. My point is what if goku and vegeta need to fuse into vegito or gogeta and use ultra ego with ultra instinct .

Yo what's the ending song playing at the end of this video

Beerus gave up sleep case closed 😂😂

These two collide in the tournament of power when Top awaken his power and Vegeta going Super Saiyan Blue Royal. It’ll be interesting seeing these go at it when they meet again.

Wait I want that bed set!

Toppo actually says he had to let everything go also

time to go back and watch G.O.D. toppo vrs blue vegeta

It's the same thing with how Ultra Instinct isn't a form, but a technique. Energy in DB has always worked in many ways when it comes to how much someone has, but when someone holds such an amount that even the smallest amount can kill, it is now just a destructive force. Hakai is based on mind and how well you can focus your willpower, and the more mental restrictions that you break from, the easier it becomes to not hold back its power. This also means that lesser versions of the form and or power can be used if the user is not willing to give up the restriction, aka morals. Vegeta still has his which I believe is the reason why, unlike Toppo who had to hold back, Vegeta uses the power to get stronger without using the maximum output of hakai, which results in him using pain as it's fuel rather than pure destruction.

I feel like Ultra Ego is basically Vegeta going Super Saiyan Blue, but activating Hakai ki instead of Saiyan God ki.