"The Codex Astartes is a set of rules. They guide us, shape us as Ultramarines, teach us to place duty and honour above all. But how we live with those rules is the true test of a Space Marine. And you, have failed." Captain Titus
The game sets Leandros up to be a malicious cunt but he’s a new space marine fresh from Ultramar. He’s a symptom the larger problem. I don’t want to see Leandros shamed, I’d rather see him learn.
What I find hypocritical beyond measure is that EVERYBODY love Samurai and their Bushido code, while in 40K most hate Ultramarines and their Codex Astartes. Nonsense. Also, the Codex is basically a library, not a single tome, continously updated, and not a strict set of rules. Looks NO ONE ever understood the Ultramarines. NEVER.
@AD-yt5cd I think the disdain for the CA comes from the way it is enforced. Codes of honour are often romanticised. But codes enforced by external parties are often viewed as tyrannical.
It really is true, despite all the accolades of the Imperial Fists, of the sociopathic effectiveness of the Dark Angels, the Uktramarines have almost single handedly been the only chapter to actively withhold their original purpose as a Legion and almost single-handedly hold the Imperium together for 10000 years. It’s really stunning what they’ve been able to accomplish while also being the most vanilla characters in 40k.
Multipurpose generalist units have always and will always be the best assets for war, a tool that works on everything is way better than a tool that works really well but you can't use it at all on most stuff. Being vanilla is only a strength
@@PeachDragon_ I only mentioned vanilla cause some people cite that as reasoning for ‘boo blueberries are boring give imperial fists more time’ uh hello they have the most successful successor chapters of all the original legions.
You can thank Matt Ward for turning the Ultramarines into a chapter of Rey Skywalkers who can do anything and never lose. Boring. Crimson Fists are way better because they're like Ultramarines but Flawed, they struggle, they lose, but they keep fighting no matter how hard things get.
The thing I like most about Guilliman is that he subverts expectations. You expect him to be a great administrator, but do not be mistaken. He is a primarch worthy of being a son of the Emporer
A primarch is still a primarch. Even arguably weakest of them F ING LORGER, has the beings that can 1v1 him in only double digits. In 40k that’s a horrifying achievement. (Guilliman is obviously amongst them.)
My favorite thing about the Ultramarines is that they’re Space Marine politicians who actually try to improve society by governing the planets under their control and improve the quality of life for the citizens of Ultramar. Of course there are a number of problems with their approach which gets brought up quite a bit in the Ultramarine books but the fact that they never really stop trying is a huge draw for me. It also helps that I always love a bit of politics in my sci fi.
I wish the ambition of the legion was expanded upon more. IMO, there should be *FAR MORE* Cato Sicarius type personalities in the legion. As far as I see it, the Ultramarines can express themselves in one of two ways; either the hyper-dutiful, by the book warrior who stringently monitors all aspects of the campaign to make sure things are going according to plan, OR the hyper-ambitious, glory-seeking warrior who wants to speedily rise up the ranks, climb the ladder of ascension to the top & rack up great feats/achievements along the way. Most Ultramarines are somewhere in-between, but we see characters like Leandros or Sicarius which embody the archetypes fully. This also goes hand-in-hand with the fact that I think their political aspirations should be expanded upon. We should see Ultramarines greatly anticipating being given a governorship in exchange for a victory on the battlefield, we should see tyrannical Ultramarines, etc. This would actually be a good way of making Ultramarine villains; their gene-seed is too pure for them to realistically be corrupted by chaos, but an Ultramarine going overboard in enacting *HIS WAY* unto his territories is very believable.
@@dialsforstupid The aesthetics of the Astral Claws was pretty close to the Ultramarines' own and due virtue of them being the progenitors of most chapters is highly likely that the Claws / Corsairs are indeed of Guilliman's line, the seemly one-sided feud the Fire Hawks had against them could had been a form of sibiling rivalry too, would be extremely strange if they end being successors of any other legion.
Robute Guilliman is the only Primarch that still lives that deserves and should be leading the Empire, with the Lion by his side as his Warmaster. There is a reason The Emperor gave the Lion his Shield, and Guiliman his Sword.
@@SilenTHerO78614 They may not specialize in any one thing, but I consider that a huge strength. They aren't the best at fighting, they aren't the hardest to kill, and they aren't the best at fortification, but they're GOOD at all of them. That and since they're so versatile they worked really well with almost any legion during the great crusade, and their chapters work well with others, even though some chapters can't stand one another.
The Ultramarines are the definition of "Teamwork Makes the Dreamwork". The thing they excel at is adapting to and overcoming obstacles. The never Overcommit and always prepare contingencies, and they do not allow for Collateral Damage. They will go above and beyond to protect and aid the Emperium's Citizens. All that, and they are a Chapter of common sense and sensibilities. They are the Finest Example of what it means to embody the wholeness of being the Emperor's Finest Space Marines.
@@kidnapedbybeavers195 the problem is, an astartes is a warrior first and foremost. Not governors or artists or butchers. Their artifice is war to be crafted against the enemies of the emperor. Anything less is superfluous which is why the emperors children and word bearers fell so easily to chaos.
It's a well accepted fact of the lore that the codex was written to disproportionately benefit the ultramarines over every other founding chapter. This is one reason why I'm a die hard Black Templars fan.
Here's a fun fact: A imperial fist successor chapter went on a crusade and conquered many worlds but when they asked the Imperium if they can govern those worlds they were denied. So to smooth things up Imperium sended a imperial fist chaplain, chaplain had a talk and the marines from the successor chapter claimed they have lost many brothers conquering these worlds for the Imperium and that they had the right to govern them. So yea uhh that chaplain went on ham on those Marines and we do not know if they still exist or not or just chaplain became a doom slayer. Story is called Irixa.
@@7F0X7 I mean the Ultramarines had more soldiers than any legion after the war, so most of the fighting force would be ultramarines. When most of your forces come from one source it's best to base your rules around the majority.
@@7F0X7 In the same way it greatly diminishes the Ultramarines overall power. They were to break up the strongest, largest Chapter. The one Chapter that probably rivaled multiple despite taking the biggest losses overall (not relatively speaking, just objective numbers). Every single successor chapter is ultimately going to respond favorably to their Primarch's orders. You cannot make be believe that a successor chapter of the Imperial Fists would ever take orders from Guilliman over Dorn. In Dorn's absence, yes.. but not if he had been present. Thus the breaking of the Chapters is but a way to keep each separate and to not conspire and this INCLUDES the Ultramarine chapters. Despite still being the largest group with an imperium of their own, for millennia the Ultramarines showed themselves to be the most adherent to their own rules even to their own detriment. I think you forget how much they have lost when they COULD have ruled the entire Imperium had they desired to do so. The Codex Astartes hurts them far more than it ever did others when taking into account what they *COULD* have been had they not adhered to such rules. The Black Templars are the ones who do not follow the Codex Astartes and they are easily one of the biggest disappointments of Guilliman. Do you believe any of the Primarchs, Dorn included, would actually like what they have become? They were Champions of the Imperium, but are now just beefed up zealots. I still think they are cool by design as I love Templars, Paladins and Crusader in fantasy design. However they do bring down unrighteous zeal upon undeserving citizens that are very loyal just because of their perceived "Emperor's perfection" which cannot be improved upon lest you are a Heretic. They are something born out of what made the Imperium the stagnated hellhole that it is. If it is a "well accepted fact" within the WH40k community that Guilliman wrote it to give Ultramarines an advantage/edge I am convinced that few in the community seem to be aware of the enormous loss of power, EVEN if he can call upon any successor chapter at any time, that this was for him. A unified, cohesive army is vastly, IMMEASURABLY more powerful as one than it would be splintered into dozens of small ones. He knee capped himself for the sake of avoiding new conspirators simply because Space Marines were proven to indeed be flawed like humans... if not more so. Just good at shooty stabby. Basically.. given the potential power of the unified Ultramarines, the Codex Astartes hurts them far, far more than any. It divides them from being an Imperium conquering force, into ones that actually develop their own loyalties as well. Hell.. some even having fallen to Chaos (though very few).. something unthinkable as unified Ultramarines.
@@Catonzo You first point was so incredibly bad that I could not bother to read the rest. It ignores my basic point: "disproportionately benefit", the operative term here being 'disproportionate'.
The Ultramarines were examples of what the Space Marines could have become after the Great Crusade as both Governors or Administration, and were one of the few of both the only of the Legions to look beyond of the Emperor Great Crusade. They were the one of the most expertly used Legions during the Great Crusade and with their Primarch they brought many worlds intact into the Imperium, and create the Codex for the rest of the Space Marines Forces by using the Ultramarines experience they gain in both the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy and any Theoretical situation that a Chapter may face in their endless wars.
The thing is Horus acknowledged that some Legions were more fit in the post crusade imperiun than others. One of the biggest factors in his decision to turn was that Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves were legion filled with warriors and berserkers that were not well suited for peacetime. Like big e he often compared Astartes to Guilliman and his sons. Iron Hands and Ferrus did that too. Horus had the crucial worry that some legions unsuitable for peace would be purged before Erebus showed the forged vision.
I don’t know how any one who actually read the Lore (and didn’t just listen to influencers or the community) can think any of the Primark’s come close to G-man as a total package. I keep hearing ignorant comments that his superpower is taxes or logistics… His superpower is an AI level brain that allows him to master anything at superhuman speeds that even Shame Primarchs. This means he is the second best at every category in the galaxy and if you do not kill, cripple, or otherwise incapacitate him in your first move, he beats everyone. He adapted faster than the hive fleets and is the only one to do so. He adapted to Morts poison then burnt Nurgs garden. He adapted to demon Magnus and his warp sorcery and command style and retook the overran planet in a week after waking up from a 10,000 year old coma. His body adapted to the demon blade after 10,000 years. He has now adapted to dying, and all the evidence points to him being a perpetual now. Once you become a physical specimen, like the Primark’s, and you have a perfect nervous system, and can lift a semi over your head, the one thing that separates you is your brain…. G-man has the best brain in the galaxy. His ultra marines are by far the most adaptive. Without them, the imperium does not exist. Their greatest strength is the ability to reinforce any other chapter or legion seamlessly… there’s a reason why the prime Aris marines can come off the factory line and replace any space marines vacancy. You lost too many imperial fists and need some expert defenders? Teacher primaries ultramarine in a day. You need a secretive, paranoid, demon, hunter in the dark angels? Primaries ultramarine can fill-in. They adapt just like G-man. And what is war, if not rapidly adapting encountering your enemies movement?
the problem with them is they are just so bland compared to the other chapters. Their is nothing really special about them. Grey Knights have their secrecy and their psyke powers, Blood Angels have the rage, Space Wolves are freaking space vikings. The ultramarines are vanilla ice cream with no flavor syrup on top. Its not that they suck, i mean gameplay wise they are one of the best armies to play, but lore wise they are a hamburger with no cheese ketchup mustard or any other fixings.
@@PeachDragon_ no, its not because they are the posterboys, its because all the other chapters have something that makes them "extra" a strength and a weakness which adds flavor. Ultramarines are kind of like toast with butter on it, sure it will sustain you, but it would taste much better with some peanut butter or jam.
Brother remembrancer you told me to read saturnine a while back and I need to know that I'm not the only one who laughed when the null maiden was killed. She is one of the most badass characters in this book and a kill counter is the only way we know lmao😂. Oh lawd the
A 1 hr The Remembrancer video? THANK YOU. I’m all seriousness, you could sit here enthrall in your videos or use them as sleep aid(this triggers crazy dreams in my case) or you can watch a little at a time. Thank you for your content brother!
I respect Gulliman because like all straight laced guys who put the greater good first he’s got this vicious mean streak that only comes out when you mess with his people.
I'm reading First Heretic rn and man the Ultramarines cleansed the planet and what ever part of the population rebelled, hell Lorgar even went as far as back handing Malcador and breaking Roboutes' chest plate. It was a tense moment on Monarchia.
Great work as always man! Can't wait to see what you work on next! If you start covering chapter's i think touching on some of the weirder ones like Carcharadon's and Black Dragons would be pretty cool. Keep up the great work!
I just want to say, as a newcomer to the hobby, I love the Ultramarines!! After hearing endlessly about "Rowboat girlyman" and the "Ultrasmurfs," I was ready to be annoyed with them. However, I love that unlike Horus, Guilliman knew the wars would end and was smartly preparing his Astartes for lives of service and governance. I love that he joked with them, laughed and had camaraderie with his troops. The 500 worlds of Ultramar where normal citizens were happy and prosperous and the worlds were green and lush. The Ultramarines were the epitome of awesomeness until the heresy. So, all that being said, I was debating which loyalist legion to build an army. I think it has to be the Ultramarines!
As an old hand to 40k, I'm glad that the Ultramarines have had a lot of work done to improve their fluff tremendously. When I first started the hobby decades ago, they truly deserved the spite that a lot of players heaped upon them. They were bland Mary Sues who were constantly plastered on every bit of media. They're still greatly overperesented, but they do truly have character and are every bit worth collecting now.
They have some very diverse and interesting successors, after that book that centers around them I would say the Emperor's Spears are one of my favorites alongside the Iron Snakes and the Mortifactors, these last ones mostly for their cool aesthetic and due how batshit insane they are despite being a Second Founding chapter.
I liked the breakdown of the heraldry and attire. Consider adding that if you can find it for each legion you break down. Another great video either way!
The Ultramarines often take a lot of shit. I never understood that. They're a facinateing chapter and i love the roman aesthetic. Not my personal favorite but will always hold a special place in my heart. They were the first Astartes i ever saw in the local hobby shop some 20+ yrs ago. Always in my top 4.
There are a few issues most of which come from how the chapter was handled rather than the Ultramarines themselves. The first and still ongoing would be fatigue ... the Ultramrines are GW poster boys so 9 out of 10 space marines are presented as the boys in blue ... and many people are a bit tired of it. would love to see more variety in the official boxes and such. The second is based on their handling during the infamous Ward era .. they were kinda made into almost mary sue like chapter, with characters like Cato Sicarius gaining infamy .... and some statements in the codex Space Marine only fueled the anger towards the chapter with both gaining meme status by this point That said most of the issues with them were by now fixed ... Cato has become a much better character ... the chapter is written a bit more balanced through they still do have a bit of a main character syndrome in the eyes of many Its mainly the poster boy status at this point that keeps the meme hate going . ..
@Ower8x I agree! All very valid points! I guess what I mean to say is that I'm surprised more people can't see past these things. That is to say, the merchandising on a box and the occasional bad writing. I think who they are at their core deserves a least a bit more respect in spite of these things. Again, I'm not an ultramarines player. I've just always found them to be something special and have a unique place in this vast setting.
@@G.SPIES24 Well I am a newer 40k fan so its hard for me to fully empathize, but I can imagine that spending years with things like "Every chapter wishes they could be Ultramarines" or "Calgar is the defacto spiritual leader of all the SM" and moments like literally choking an Avatar of Kain etc ... could drive the bitterness quite deep ...
You make great videos bud. Thanks so much as I always need lore to listen to well I paint my 40k. Thanks so much great pictures to by the way. I peek at it here and there they look great never seen some of that art before. Well done thanks again.
Man, they might not be the most badass, but the ultramarines are yhe most stoic and relentless. They fight darkness alone, protecting the dying light of the universe. That's why they are my favorite.
Attention Remembrancer, before I am servitorized, please alert the Imperium of the silver clad angels. The Grey Knights. Leave Caldor Draigo last once you have time
The loss of Brother Captain Idaeus only made way for Brother Segeant Uriel Ventris to take up his sword 🗡, Rank & accredited titles & continue the Good fight in the name of Guilliman, The Emperor & Macragge
One of my favorite stories is definitely the battle between Guilliman and Magnus on Luna base. Roboute had to band together his Ultra marines, Skitarii, Sisters of Silence, Gray Knights, and even a group of Eldar Harlequin. To fight back Magnus, his chaos marines, and chaos daemons from pouring outa the web way. Right when it felt as though Magnus' forces were about to break through Roboute's defenses. Chapters of Custodes arrived to reinforce the loyalists. This gave them a much needed second wind, and allowed Roboute to focus is strength against Magnus. Even with Magnus' unparalleled psychic power. Roboute was able to power forward and strike down Mangus and push him back through the web way portal, while the rest of the chaos forces were slaughtered by the gray knights.
The best part was they landed on the moon because Magnus wanted to trick Gulliman to open a portal on Terra but Gulliman immediately figured out his intention and opened the portal on the moon instead, just far enough to prevent Magnus from invading the throne world but close enough for the custodes and SoS to immediately detect the teleportation signal and join the fight because even Gulliman knows he couldn't beat Magnus without the SoS and the custodes. I'm convinced that had Gulliman been on the traitor side he'd be a worthy Champion of Tzeench.
The codex astartes is a set of guidelines, to be followed loosely and interpreted differently by each chapter, it wasn’t written as a las by guilliman. The only law drafted with the codex was that primarchs wouldn’t be allowed to hold sway over the entirety of their legion until the imperium needed them the most. At least that’s how i see it
I always wondered if there are any real Ultramarines fans out there? So far from what I've read,fans just make fun of them lol They are not my favourite either,but they are what the Imperium needs,because they are the ultimate empire builders
I appreciate the detail on helmets n pauldrons. I painted 100 ultramarines mccragg blue n gold trim I guess as captains, but none of the helmets white or red or white/red strip. I also have a mccragg blue tech marine oops...
the emperor wanted the heresy to happen why else would he not choose the primarch who literally built and maintained a small empire who was a master burocrat
Great video although i will say Sanguinius is who Horus declared should have been Warmaster on his deathbed. Also the Lion had the most Military victories with Guilliman having the most worlds brought to compliance and Horus having the most campaigns completed.
