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Ultrasonic Fog Chiller- WYE Fitting Experiment/Fail #2 

Oak Lane Cemetery
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After my last video about the blower I had some suggestions to try a wye fitting with the blower to try and create a venturi effect that would draw air through the mister box, but be out of the flow of all of the moisture. I had tried this with smaller ice chillers in the past, but could never get it to work. This was no exception. No matter how I placed the blower - straight or angled - the only thing it did was create back pressure that blows the fog right back out of the inlet. Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, but I just don't see how this would ever work.

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@JamesGuntow
@JamesGuntow 11 дней назад
I feel for you... I have 6 of these deployed in a local haunt and ended up drilling drainage holes on the fan's body right before the fan itself. I have converted two to put the fans further down the PVC piping and elevated with attention to create a drainage hole where the moisture collects or elevating it enough where it will run back down into the enclosure but you have inspired me and seeing if I can figure this out. Good Luck to you
@cassanth
@cassanth 15 дней назад
Would changing the part the fan is attached to make a difference. The mist is currently expected to turn 45 degrees with the air blowing past the end of the flow as it turns. If you put the mist on the straight through section, and the fan on the angled pipe, would that get the air pushing the mist through, creating a low pressure system behind it that then sucks more mist through? I'm thinking at the moment the air is causing high pressure in front of the mist, with lower pressure behind it in the inlet causing the mist to flow that way.
@OakLaneCemetery
@OakLaneCemetery 15 дней назад
It won't make a difference because this is not a complete venturi setup. I had seen people talk about adding a wye to create one and never saw that there have to be modifications made to the wye for it to work. An inner, funnel shaped extension that extends past the side piece needs to be added to the straight side where the blower is. This is what creates the suction. A plain ole wye fitting will never work as-is no matter how it is hooked up. I'm going to get back to this project eventually and maybe even 3d print an insert that will do the trick.
@USMC-1833
@USMC-1833 15 дней назад
The inline / duct fans do take a "moisture beating". I'd just assume replacing mine every season since they cost just about the same as a gallon of fog juice, from a big box store. Although I'm interested to see if you could make the WYE fitting work. Best of luck. I'll be rooting for ya!
@OakLaneCemetery
@OakLaneCemetery 15 дней назад
Yep! I replace mine each year. I can usually find one for under $20 on Amazon. Another commenter suggested drenching the innards of the blower with wd40 before storage, which might just be crazy enough to work. Pretty sure the failure happens in storage when the fan is not turning and all of that remaining moisture starts to corrode and rust up the motor and shaft. I just like to tinker sometimes to see if I can make an improvement.
@knowyourjoe8826
@knowyourjoe8826 15 дней назад
Sent you an email with attachments that should help to resolve the issue.
@OakLaneCemetery
@OakLaneCemetery 15 дней назад
YES! I was trying to visualize what someone else had told me, but the photos explained it much better! Thank you!
@CecilBoudreaux
@CecilBoudreaux 13 дней назад
In the process of building me a new mister fogger system and been watching your. I see your trying to solve the condensation issue and ruining the blower. would a street 90 y work better? The standard y, the air blowing down splits and hits the outlet pipe just enough to push the air into the box. With a street 90 Y set up, its a smoother bend and doesnt have the sharp edge to grab the air flow.
@OakLaneCemetery
@OakLaneCemetery 13 дней назад
They type of wye won't matter. The air won't create a vacuum in the side piece without having an insert in there to funnel the air past the side opening to create a venturi.
@hughbrackett343
@hughbrackett343 15 дней назад
Instead of slowing the fan down, maybe you could turn it off and on with a prop controller. Something like 5 sec on, 10 sec off, or whatever it takes. Another idea is to bypass some of the air back into the box. I doubt you care to make a hole just to test.
@OakLaneCemetery
@OakLaneCemetery 15 дней назад
Turning the fan off and on would probably not be ideal. As it normally runs using a bilge blower hooked up inline and dialed down very low a 10 second blast of fog will turn into a nearly 2 minute steady flow of super low fog. I feel like switching it on and off would most certainly ruin that. If I can't at least get that performance out of an alternative setup I'm not going to change it. Putting air back into the box would only serve to create even more back pressure. Air needs to be slowly pulled out of the box to create a slight negative pressure.
@rocknrolljesus3197
@rocknrolljesus3197 16 дней назад
Still the same fan those flow was too high in your last test?
@OakLaneCemetery
@OakLaneCemetery 15 дней назад
Yes. I wanted to try using it since it has a higher speed. Thought maybe it might create some pull better. It didn't. A bilge blower will be arriving tomorrow and I'm abandoning further experiments until after Halloween. I've wasted enough money messing with this.
@stevenwolfie
@stevenwolfie 15 дней назад
Think laminar flow. Try putting the blower on the bottom side of the pipe. Fans creat turbulence when pushing air but not when pulling air
@OakLaneCemetery
@OakLaneCemetery 15 дней назад
The normal configuration is a straight pipe with the blower attached to pull fog from the box. This was just an experiment to see if I can get the blower away from all of the moisture.
@stevenwolfie
@stevenwolfie 14 дней назад
@@OakLaneCemetery ive been following you for a good bit! ive seen your upgrades i want to see it succeed so i can build the same lmao
@deldawdy15
@deldawdy15 15 дней назад
I dont have a fan on mine i use the mister and put a fog macine at the inlet about 2 inches away it caises the venturie efect tons of low lyeing fog i ues froggus swamp juice for the fog
@gun-flintanddeadriverrrco.2706
@gun-flintanddeadriverrrco.2706 15 дней назад
I have a general question: I want to leverage my sprinkler system. I propose to 1. Change the heads to allow free flow of air 2. Blow it out so there's no water in the system 3. Attach a fog machine to the system input (with some sort of blower) 4. Set all the valves manually to 'open'. If it works, it should spread the fog right out of the ground. Has anyone done this? Thoughts?
@OakLaneCemetery
@OakLaneCemetery 15 дней назад
Probably won't work. There will be condensation from the fog that collects in the lines and pretty quickly fills them. Also the lines and heads are probably too small to allow enough airflow to move the fog very well. What you can do it to run the sprinklers for a few minutes before turning on your fog effects. The wet grass really helps the fog to stick to the ground better.
@jeffallen3382
@jeffallen3382 16 дней назад
It looks like the angle is not great enough. It's not causing a strong enough venturi effect.
@OakLaneCemetery
@OakLaneCemetery 15 дней назад
It's not causing any because internally it's not right. I've been informed I need to add an internal pipe to extend the air inlet side a bit past the fog inlet side until it starts creating a vacuum.
@jeffallen3382
@jeffallen3382 15 дней назад
@@OakLaneCemetery that's correct.
@larryschores
@larryschores 15 дней назад
That's what I was wondering as well, if a Tee would work better than a Wye fitting to achieve the venturi effect. @Oak Lane I hadn't heard about elongation the tube to create a better vacuum, but makes sense after thinking about it.
@rahendriks1
@rahendriks1 16 дней назад
Can't tell from the video... do you have the fan flow in the right direction? Odd that it would back up. TBH, even if reversed I would expect more coming out the spout where you normally have your fog input.
@OakLaneCemetery
@OakLaneCemetery 15 дней назад
Yes, fan is definitely in the right direction. I've been told that I need to add an internal pipe to extend the air inlet a bit past the fog inlet until it starts creating a vacuum.
@rahendriks1
@rahendriks1 15 дней назад
@@OakLaneCemetery i have the same fan... other than possible corrosion, what are you hoping to achieve with this. It works with just an in-line fan with no "Y" joint, right? What's the point of adding more air even if you get it to work? I get the venturi effect for the fog machine itself... but I don't see what this will do.
@rahendriks1
@rahendriks1 15 дней назад
​@OakLaneCemetery ok... went back and watched your first video fail. Now I understand what you are trying to do. I'm using an ice chiller, not ultrasonic. You could try duct hose instead of the rubber couplers. Basically when you narrow down the path through the fan, the flow is faster you could also add some small holes in the duct between the mister and the fan. It will reduce the suction from the mister and pull in some extra air. On the other side (fog exit from corrugated pipe) you can also either make holes bigger or make more holes... that will also slow down the fog flow.
@rahendriks1
@rahendriks1 15 дней назад
Or extend the length of your corrugated pipe. Hope it works.. interested to see this do what you want.
@rocknrolljesus3197
@rocknrolljesus3197 15 дней назад
@@OakLaneCemetery similar to a dredge style pump. The high pressure 'nozzle" tube is centered in the pipe and extends....pointing 'downstream'.
@bradleypinyon9447
@bradleypinyon9447 16 дней назад
Has anybody checked to see what the effect would be if the water in the ultrasonic pool was either a cold or iced versus warm
@OakLaneCemetery
@OakLaneCemetery 15 дней назад
Don't do this. Misters work best with room temp water and ice will damage the heads
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