Unbelievable MTG Blunder in Pro Tour Finals 

according to what i can find on the card Impulse, the errata causing you to not have to shuffle your library was not put in until october of 2004. Since this game according to your description was played in 1999 that would mean it was played before the errata meaning it was played incorrectly as you still had to play with the way it was written on the card. or am i missing something in my quick goggle search of the card and it's rulings.

@wes coble which is why im trying to figure out when specifically it was changed. i could only find something dated 2004 you seem to have something that predates 2004. but even in your timeline it is somewhere between 1998 and 2000 and since this game was played in 1999 it could have been misplayed here.

Glad to see i came into the comment section, just to say it was a misplay for it to already be explained haha. Thank you

I like how you like your own comments XD

Impulse has always been a bs card.

Thing is though, let's say he is trying to play around a counter spell in hand right? He drains for 4 gets countered, still is at 6 life, plays niv disk (tapped until his next turn) next turn he gets hit by the crack back for 11, game over. This was the all or nothing turn.

This also shows how Nikachu is starved for content. He's basically reuploading a video he already made. Gotta pay the bills somehow, I guess

@@noahcarroll4944 he can put up whatever he wants whenever he wants, thats life Noah.

This is game 2 of a 5 game match. Last video was game 1.

@@NikachuMTG what was the title of that video? I haven't seen it yet.

At the time, they where just game peices like many cards are today.

I played in a tournament yesterday where a player had a visibly half oval deck. My opponent shuffled at the tips like you do a deck of playing cards except they're not. The cards could of been proxied, I'm not sure, but it was uncomfortable looking at a deck of pringle sleeves with pringle cards inside.

@@thewilsonexperience Its uncomfortable to see people say "could of" - what do you think that means? Magic requires quite a bit of reading so its troublesome to see players saying "could of".

oh no muh cardboard

They weren't really worth shit back then. Quite a few of the tournaments I played around then wouldn't even allow sleeves, not to mention that we didn't have easy access to sleeves of the questionable quality of Ultra Pros at that time.

Been there

NOOOOOOO!

Nice one! You just have to set priorities.

Played against Reid Duke on mtgo once, and went for his Planeswalkers with my damage rather than his face and had lethal and lost that match

I've won but at what cost lol

That shuffle with Dual lands. I think I sprained an eyelid.

was thinking the same

That was the first thing I noticed as well. I cringed.

but this is the real way to play magic!! idc how much worth a card is. i want to play a cardgame. its stupid to give a card an absurd price so noone can rly play it. makes no sence to me. this game is a cardgame and not a money bank

Imagine playing a game because it's fun and not worrying about the resale value of your fun.

I agree, but I find Nikachu to be a little too patronizing. The tone of voice he continually uses just grates on me. It comes off as "how could you EVER have made that mistake?! "I" would NEVER have made THAT mistake!" And that's really arrogant. It's the one thing that keeps me from subscribing to him.

Yeah it's really tough to see, let alone think about lol I wish I had all my old cards still.

There was also a time where they couldn't sleeve for feature matches, because the cameras had difficulty displaying the cards through the sleeves.

I bought 2 moxes off a friend just to save them back in the very late 90's. The Jet's not too bad but the Emerald looks like it lost a fight against a belt sander.

How do you even shuffle without sleeves? They’re all flat so it would make real shuffling a pain and damage cards quite a bit

@@chancylvania we used to pile shuffle. Back in he day we did more damage to our cards from rubber banding them and playing on harsh surfaces… all without sleeves. I remember when sleeves were first introduced some of my friends saw them as a “waste of money”

I still do that with my homies and we are 30 years old. We don't care 😂

But it wasn’t a correct line. He holds back the magic for the disk for what reason ? If it got countered he’s dead on board anyways with a tapped disk. So it doesn’t even matter if he plays the disk 😂

​​@@Chubbies34 re-read the comment you responded to. the statement was that it was thought to be the correct line & he wasn't dead on board, Nika discussed that

The actual rule is: think for yourself, and do what feels right for you.

get bitches bro

gotta have your own fog ready!!

you're welcome!

makes the whole "competitive" aspect kinda null if you can just play some whacked about cards with markings and little wear and tear. Like, that INVITES cheating and card marking. Thats why competitive magic is a joke xD I never understood why people have to bring their own cards anyways. Make tournament proxies with identical backs, i can do that on a printer in like 10 min

Yeah but either you're going to win that turn or you're not. Like if Bob has a counterspell, leaving mana up for Disk is useless. Might as well play around Swords.

I think the real mistake is in thinking swords to plowshares is only creature removal.

it was an unbelieavable mistake because there was nothing in hand that could save him from the hit back, thus playing around counterspell was irrelevant as he was simply dead on board anyway.

@@NikachuMTG That is a fair point. He's dead on board to the manlands. So saving mana for Disk is pointless. The only reason he gets a turn to draw action, which he scoops before, is because one of them dies, and he can only get hit for 8 of his now 10 life.

@@NikachuMTG Mana Leak was legal at the time. My immediate thought is he forgot Bob wasn't running it, and was playing around that. At which point he can't also play around swords, so leaving up one extra for Disk probably *is* the right way to try and hedge for it, giving him more time to find another drain spell before the manlands kill him. (It also protects him from the vanishingly small chance of Disrupt *into* Mana Leak.) Unfortunately, Bob *was* running Ivory Mask, and showed him a tutor for it.

But you also didn't exist, thus your negative life didn't either

@@thestatesofunitedamerica1203 I can't tell if you're joking or not, but just in case you aren't: Teferi's Protection doesn't phase the player out, only their battlefield. It does give them protection from everything. Or at least protection from everything except state-based effects.

@@NazoPureChaos ohh, yeah I guess you're right. My bad 😅

I read this and think to my self...why are games not like this?

Yes, Bob was more likely to have a counter but if he does, the games over anyway. A tapped Disk would just watch as he dies to the lands.

@@guybuckridge7326 Ah, yes. You're right

A counter spell would have meant he lost anyways, He drains for 4 it gets countered, he is still at 6 life and gets hit by the swing back for 11. There was no outcome where draining for 4 was the smart play. He would have been dead before he could have untapped niv disk. Yeah this route he technically got another turn but he wasn't playing around anything in particular, he wasn't playing around counter spell, he obviously wasn't playing around swords, so the leaving the 4 open to play disk just doesn't make sense because to his knowledge either this would connect and he would win or it would be countered and he would lose next turn anyways.

Any situation where Bob counters the Drain life, Brian dies. So the Disk doesn't matter. So he needs to play around any card except counterspells.

Bob's deck has a lot of different sideboard cards against different opponent's but really only 2-3 that have any use against necro. Given that necro is going to take out creatures vs oath, the oath player is pretty much forced to take out the oath, which is going to be 2-3 copies, he probably takes out a Shard Phoenix as it looks really bad if you aren't getting it with oath and opponent has no creatures to kill with it. After that if he has a couple of swords to plowshares in his main deck then probably at least one is going to get left in because there is just nothing else worth bringing in instead of it after taking Compost, Sacred ground and perhaps an Aura of Silence. Brian should have been aware that there was at least a reasonable chance that there were higher priorities to take out and that some Swords might have stayed in. (Swords is a sub par but legitimate card to keep anyway imho, there is a reasonable chance that 3 extra life could help you survive one extra corrupt/drain. Playing counters and with the opponent using demonic consultation there is a very real possibility of them running out of ways to kill you.)

Happy Easter! I'll see if I can ramp up production!

@@Cwefr Agreed feels a bit redundant to shuffle.

Yeah I believe that was actually a printer error

The Shuffle your library afterwards was a print typo.

He shuffled his hand to hide which card he got off Impulse.

Shuffling the deck was a printing/typo error. What a blunder by Wizards of the Coast!

I sold my tournament deck back in 1997 for about $1000. Today that deck would cost $200,000 to $300,000 to replace. I had 11 mint Beta dual lands (& one non-mint) all blue, black, & red. 😩 Mint beta Ancestral, Mirror Universe, 😢 Mishra's workshop, playset of Mana Drain, playset of The Abyss... 😭

@@ironkodiakbooks5115 it's like shares/cryptocurrency. Back then most people didn't have the foresight to hold off on a good deal (I think a grand for Magic cards is a good deal). If you didn't sell them that time, you would sell them a year later for slightly more, or two years later for more than you were offered last year etc. Don't feel bad :)

Dude that never happened at all. Show some damn class

@@irbster what, as much class as calling a stranger a liar based on a thought?

@@captainanopheles4307 I was freaking there dude, this is Terry, your freaking cousin

@@irbster really? Hi, then.

@@captainanopheles4307 yea real funny dude you won't be laughing when I tell aunt Tammy about this. Fricking ridiculous man she raised you better

Glad you enjoyed it!

@@zeroduvidas8664 Honestly, even if you think there's a small chance he has swords, there's a bigger chance he's got a force of will. So keeping 4 mana open to play the disk is actually sensible. Against force, you still have a chance of winning since the disk can blow up the manlands, and you might draw something good. The mistake is prematurely giving up?

@@Aphid4 No, against force he lost. If drain life didn't resolve, he was dead next turn.

I’m glad you guys noticed!

The scoop was the blunder from the video title

Yeah shame scooping when you're still totally live in the pro tour finals seems really loose.

@@RCTricking I mean totally live may be a bit of an overstatement. Bob has to get Null Rod to shut down the Disk, and he still has 2 cards that Brian hasn't seen, as all the hand disruption has been countered for a good bit, since the first Duress that succeeded I think. He doesn't know that Bob's hand is mostly just lands, which is why the Counterspells have been getting used. If he doesn't counter the Unmasks, Brian Brian gets to see his hand, take a Counterspell anyway, and know that Bob had just lands and another Counterspell to bait out with another Unmask. So he then would have sunk everything into the Drain Life and won. Oh, and he's dead in 2 turns to the manlands, aka 1 turn for Brian to draw a damage spell and hope it resolves, since again, he doesn't know it will. Look at the mana Bob has open on that turn. He left Counterspell mana up, in addition to the Plow mana. So for all he knows if he Drains for more, Bob uses a Counterspell or Force of Will, and if he Drains for 4, he uses Plow to get use out of an otherwise worthless card.

A counter spell would have meant he lost anyways, He drains for 4 it gets countered, he is still at 6 life and gets hit by the swing back for 11. There was no outcome where draining for 4 was the smart play. He would have been dead before he could have untapped niv disk. Yeah this route he technically got another turn but he wasn't playing around anything in particular, he wasn't playing around counter spell, he obviously wasn't playing around swords, so the leaving the 4 open to play disk just doesn't make sense because to his knowledge either this would connect and he would win or it would be countered and he would lose next turn anyways.

Awesome! Thank you!

The card was printed with a typo, it’s not suppose to shuffle because putting the cards on the bottom would be redundant. So the shuffle was removed from tournament play

@@NikachuMTG oooooh

You’re welcome! If you’re interested in trying it out, you can download MTG Arena for free on Windows, Mac, or mobile! It can teach you the basics and everything.

@@NikachuMTG I’ll have to try that out, thanks! Have a great rest of your week.

Bro', no one cared about Dual Lands back then. They were $5-10 bucks at most

I'm looking out for my Yugioh fam!

Bro', no one cared about Dual Lands back then. They were $5-10 bucks at most.

I'm back

You’re welcome!

Bro', no one cared about Dual Lands back then. They were $5-10 bucks at most

I know, right? "DON'T SAY FOUR!" "Guys, be quiet..."

oooof

Thanks! A lot more to come!

Senpai noticed me

nevermind he tap 2 to activate it again

Sleeves were invented not so long ago so it wasn't meta to play with them yet I guess

Limited Resources talked about this recently (Ice Age retrospective) but yeah... you could tell the set of a card by it's back and people definitely used this to there advantage.

I'm not sure if Alphas were allowed in a sleeveless deck. Sleeves existed at this time but they removed them for camera matches because the glare was too strong.

@@NikachuMTG Yeah, we had clear & black Ultra Pros by then. Before that, way back in 1995, most of us had at least stated using penny plastics because we could quickly see the damage we were doing to our cards.

If I do, you’ll find it on the Nikachu MTG News channel. This channel won’t have that content anymore.

@@NikachuMTG thank you!!

There was an errata to remove the shuffle (because it’s redundant when ordering the cards in the bottom of your library). I should have used a more updated card graphic.