Underpowered? 2023 Mercedes Sprinter 2.0L Diesel POV On & Off-Road Review

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@pawo007 Год назад

332lb/ft of torque not 232 as stated in the video The v6 om642 can be a little laggy but has plenty of power. I have one in my motorhome and it does fine. Try daily driving a 190d 2.2 non turbo if you want to experience slow. (72hp, 98lb/ft) think 25 seconds to 60 flat out

@brent7368 Год назад

Tons of other channels are adopting the POV setup, and it works. Would love to see more of these POV reviews.

@eeroala5132 27 дней назад

The real test is on the freeway when you’re driving over the Rocky Mountains on a 7% grade. Once you build that out as an over landing vehicle, which adds weight, I seriously doubt it would be able to keep up with traffic while driving up a hill on the freeway.

@WW-wf8tu Год назад

Great all the way around Tommy. More POV. Cool van set up. Switzerland trail was a good test road.

@1guyin10 Год назад

I'll agree with you on the turbo lag of the old engine. It wasn't horrendous, but there was definitely a pause while it gathered steam.

@1guyin10 Год назад

Was just at the Sprinter plant a couple of days ago. I saw several I would for sure take home.

@MikeCris Год назад

Tommy, you're reviews are the best.

@davidhendrie6935 Год назад

As I've said in my last comment (Stubby tailgate mpg test), I drive a 2011 Isuzu Rodeo Dmax. This came with a 2.5L turbo diesel with 136bhp. In 2012, the all new Dmax came with a twin turbo 2.5 and 163bhp. For 2021, it's dropped to a 1.9L twin turbo, but with 164bhp (110kW) and 258lbFt (350nm) torque. Even with the higher power and torque than the 2.5, it still feels teeny weeny!

@the_jarmel Год назад

👏👏👏... Good job Tommy ...

@kevinbarry71 Год назад

Funny; I don't remember all those complaints about the 3 L before.

@LX450_Adventure Год назад

As far as I remember, he never mentioned those criticisms in his prior reviews of the Sprinter Van /w 3.0L diesel before. Issues with merging? Seems kind of important...

@kevinbarry71 Год назад

@@LX450_Adventure yes. Reviewers like to pretend they are objective, however if they state negative things like that for a model in production they will find that somehow they're not being invited to those overseas junkets. Nor are they getting access to vehicles to review

@TFLnow Год назад

I’ve discussed it before I just haven’t done an on-road sprinter review on RU-vid before of the old engine. Not hiding anything, I always say it like it is -Tommy

@jayhiggins5239 Год назад

Can you find those old reviews on All TFL?

@icare7151 Год назад

Some of the shortcomings of the older 3.0l diesel and transmission combination were not show stoppers. The Sprinter engineers have been improving the Sprinter diesel engine and transmission over the years. With tighter emissions regulations, better fuel economy and reliability requirements, the trend is ICE motors going from v8 to v6 or I6, v6 to I4 cylinders paired to new 8, 9 or 10 speed transmissions. Being the first year of the Sprinter 4 cylinder diesel, 9 speed transmission and AWD system, suggest one wait a year to get any possible hidden bugs discovered and fixed.

@RB55able 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for the review. Is the color Blue Grey ?

@finnianfitzsimons623 Год назад

Loved the pov style

@jmansens9309 Год назад

Yes to the POV!

@stevecrossland3681 Год назад

Interesting vehicle. Do you have any fuel economy numbers?

@giolats8179 Год назад

Liked the POV, I expected a bit more off-road (eg a cross-axle uphill situation)

@ronethridge9875 Год назад

great-demo/take care/thanks much

@gwaddles Год назад

I saw one of these in Ann Arbor yesterday - definitely going slow

@bosse641 Год назад

Would rather have a strong and smooth V6.

@Oaky Год назад

Not my normal POV videos, but thanks!

@ben3989 Год назад

I ran a 2.1 sprinter (om651) for about 8 years and I really liked it. Even towed my 4,000 lb boat around just fine.

@mikelytvynchuk9521 5 месяцев назад

I just hit 405k miles on mine haha

@markkiyabu2462 Год назад

I Hope tfl can test More vans and do a Long term testing? Thank you

@headinghome1644 6 месяцев назад

Get a pedal box and a RennTech tune, big difference. No lag and power all the way thru the curve.

@PMcGuffin Год назад

Can you do an off road comparison between this and a transit trail on a slightly more rugged trail when both are available?

@angelgjr1999 Год назад

I’d take the transit, the 10 speed with the ecoboost is faster.

@JoseGomez-vr6lh Год назад

The transit destroys the sprinter now that the sprinter doesn't have four wheel drive.

@chompnormski Год назад

What’s with the rattles?

@norm4907 6 месяцев назад

Longevity is what I would be worried about. They push these engines to the limit. There is no replacement for displacement.

@headinghome1644 6 месяцев назад

Exactly

@sprinterboy713 6 месяцев назад

2.0 liter feels quicker. it revs quicker due to less displacement. 3.0 liter is reliable and is a work horse. the 2 liter feels forced and struggles in high rpm. no replacement for displacement. also the 2.0 dpf set up is much smaller and seems to clog up quicker after extended idle cycles. much more complicated exhaust aftertreatment system as well. its has to egr valves to worry about and two spray nozzles for the def. which means more trips to the dealership .

@cristianm-uv9up Год назад

torque for the 3 liter engine is 325, not 225.

@michaelhenry-hurst2787 Год назад

we have the 2020 2.1L small twin turbo 314 CDi model (spec out for my wife in her wheelchair) ists not to bad, does lack some oommpphh only a 6 speed so can get quite loud at speed only rwd. its not a bad van overall but we are hugely considering a ECU tune to make 190hp vs the current 143hp

@Padge993NZ День назад

Were do you get a ECU tune from I have a 2924 MB 2l turbo I'm a wheelchair passenger also

@rd1860 Год назад

Does anyone know if these new engines are B20-fuel compliant? The past V6 Sprinter was limited to a maximum B5 diesel fuel. Seems everyone is moving to the B20, so readily finding B5 in the future is going to be a problem. Would hate to spend that kind of money only to be limited by current and future enviro-regs. Any help with this info would be greatly appreciated.

@517sf6 Год назад

The new 2.0s are B20 compliant finally. It’s stated in the owners manual, u can probably find a copy of one as a pdf online if you’d like to check for yourself

@asong26 Год назад

Tommy, great review. But this doesn’t prove anything as you are driving an empty van. Would you please put some ‘real’ load on it and re-test?

@911sc1981 Год назад

Glad to hear that the new power train is up to moving the sprinter effectively! I’ve had the V6 diesel sprinter and Tommy is right it is sluggish off the line. I ended up getting a pedal commander to address that issue. I also had the 2.0 diesel in my Mercedes E250, and it was a fantastic engine.

@svolk2921 Год назад

Not sluggish with 7sp transmission

@zsoltlengyel2720 11 месяцев назад

I've got a 19 sprinter v6 diesel 7g+ transmission deleted tunned lot less delay now as is tunned and I love it towing my 8000 rv trailer on flat road easily at 2300 rpm 110 kms/hr at 8%uphill it runs at 3200 rpm and holds 95km per hr can't see that with the 4 cylinder tho I am sure is strong and good but towing heavy and loaded heavy all the time hmm will see in the future

@kamikazekunze Год назад

Throw the ARB locker in it and enjoy the ride. 😊

@MJ-km3qz Год назад

Please do a shootout between ProMaster, Sprinter & Transit. Nobody else has done it. Thank you

@kornaros96 8 месяцев назад

It's been done probably. With the Ducato as the promaster

@pelerojo4256 Год назад

Did he say you would need to put the V6 sprinter in 4L to get up Sugarloaf? I literally dive my V6 sprinter up that hill in 2WD!

@jadesluv 2 месяца назад

Good video ACCEPT you skimmed the engine compartment, like 2 seconds worth, AND the camera wasn’t high enough to show anything properly!

@BlueAlgon 8 месяцев назад

Looks good. It would be interesting to know what fuel consumption it was showing during your test ride. BTW, man, how can you talk so fast and continuously for so long, just barely taking a breath?

@larryhawes8295 Год назад

Price?

@Thehigher13 10 месяцев назад

Acceleration was a major issue, especially when getting into the flow of traffic on a busy road.

@garden0fstone736 Год назад

Did they change the EGR lol

@NON_BIDENary Год назад

While I know these are NOT rockcrawlers or meant to concur the rubicon trail but I’d really like to see a vid on their off road capabilities more so than you did here

@anthonymrskipt9252 Год назад

They did one years ago with a Storyteller, I believe. Probably searchable. Worth watching.

@mitchellcamps7595 7 месяцев назад

Take a look at Living The Van Life, he has pushed the Sprinter farther than anyone else on RU-vid. Pretty awesome videos and showcase how capable a Sprinter can be.

@summertop511 11 месяцев назад

My 16 2.1 has same horrible delay in throttle. Then a rush of power.

@j.sch.3535 Год назад

Rear locker is missing that's to bad

@mbaktari8194 Год назад

I wish MB USA bring in 6X6 Sprinter.

@GuyCruls Год назад

It'd be great to see this taken to the next level of off-road driving...

@sprinterboy713 6 месяцев назад

THAT IS THE NEXT LEVEL. ITS AN ALL WHEEL DRIVE CARGO VAN NOT A ROCK CRAWLER.

@larshamilton40 Год назад

saw the word 'underpowered'.. thought it was a new Gladiator review 😂 .. sweet van tho

@JogBird Год назад

are those tracks strong enough to hold the seats???

@devengudinas1649 Год назад

O yea. They can hold down dirt bikes. So a little person is no problem.

@devengudinas1649 Год назад

O yea. They can hold down dirt bikes. So a little person is no problem.

@devengudinas1649 Год назад

O yea. They can hold down dirt bikes. So a little person is no problem.

@jeffb9138 Год назад

they are used on airplanes, so yes.

@kiakad7603 Год назад

Please correct your specs outputs of the Engines

@alliedfroth Год назад

Did you say $35k for that modular setup??

@greggb681 Год назад

Why only 230 lb-ft? I thought a 4 cyl diesel would be around the 380 lb-ft area 🤔

@svolk2921 Год назад

He was wrong

@tsangsir8827 Год назад

MB is trying really hard to tell people their 4 cylinders is just as good as the 6. But tell me why the 4 cylinders 4Runner failed and 6 cylinder is standard?

@ben3989 Год назад

Because america. I think in-line engines are always better if they can deliver the power requirements.

@WillPittenger Год назад

Lot's of room in that engine bay. Looks like a straight 6 will fit. Do they sell the AWD version with the gas engine?

@svolk2921 Год назад

Gas engine is discontinued

@mini2nut67 Год назад

@@svolk2921 You can get the gas version on the RWD trim.

@svolk2921 Год назад

@@mini2nut67 not anymore, starting 2023 only 1950cc om654 diesel

@mini2nut67 Год назад

@@svolk2921 I just built a 2WD gas Sprinter on the 2023 Sprinter configurator.

@svolk2921 Год назад

@@mini2nut67 Google it

@rik999 Год назад

Love the POV, although you have to carefully control your head movements so that you don't make an amateur looking jerky, shaky video. Topher really has the art down on his channel.

@mini2nut67 Год назад

Sprinters are great vans. MB really stepped up their game on the 2023 version. The only negative is the pricey maintenance schedule. It’s still a Mercedes and you will be reminded at every service visit.

@svolk2921 Год назад

Cheapest car to maintain, just don’t go to stealer

@svolk2921 Год назад

Oh and 2023 is a step down, their engine is not 700-800k anymore, it’s barely 100k miles

@mini2nut67 Год назад

@@svolk2921 Reading a lot different opinions on the new 2.0L engine. Some say 300-400k lifespan while others predict issues around 100k. I would need to find some facts vs opinions.

@svolk2921 Год назад

@@mini2nut67 valve rockers are not even 100k miles , that’s a fact not opinions. Then tandem oil and vacuum pump is another failure. In order to replace it - half engine has to be apart and engine has to be out . Timing chain isn’t surviving long on new thing oil . Good bye longevity… But many people don’t need more than 100k miles, so why bother with 700k miles engine, right?

@mini2nut67 Год назад

@@svolk2921 I decided over the weekend to continue waiting patiently for my 2nd day Tesla Cybertruck reservation.

@gamerscouncil2262 Год назад

I own the 2023 sprinter AWD HOD. It trashes the old V6 in every way.

@svolk2921 Год назад

Not in every way

@svolk2921 Год назад

Research rockers design. Failure

@herbwheeler4470 Год назад

Yet to see one over 3-4 years old not rusted out.

@gapcityracing6086 Год назад

I’ve seen plenty not rusted the rusted ones are 15years old or in salty

@herbwheeler4470 Год назад

@@gapcityracing6086 well I do live in Central NY.

@svolk2921 Год назад

@@herbwheeler4470 new sprinter is finally galvanized

@PennsylvaniaDualSport 3 месяца назад

All I see are future limp modes. Ford Transit FTW!

@digitaljustin92 10 месяцев назад

10,000lbs when loaded being lugged around by a 2.0L motor. An adventure van is not an econo box hyper-miling or a city dwelling delivery van. For the $70k+ HO base price where's the 3.0L bi-turbo gas engine, 4WD with a low range transfer case, a rear e-locker and decent suspension Mercedes?

@DamnManSam Месяц назад

While people don’t buy these vans for “luxury”. For the price point, the van looks like a Econo box, interior wise. Makes little sense to pick this over a transit.

@davekent20 Год назад

I feel people are going to say it's better because this is all they sell not the 4x4 anymore

@MikeWrenches Год назад

"Lots of locals live up here" well yes of course, locals always live locally.

@ellerybice3787 21 день назад

I think he is under the impression that his audience is ignorant. After all he is an authority. 🐒💩

@marcoadamberger4456 8 месяцев назад

Meanwhile in europe the biggest engine you can get is a 190hp engine it doenst feel slow for a van

@matt.docondor6099 Год назад

I downpoint compare to the 3 Liter V6 is the very poor engine brake, downhill support with the new 1950 ccm Fourbanger engine. Be carefull on steep and long downhill sections 🙄

@ben3989 Год назад

Diesels in general have poor engine braking due to no air throttle.

@sauerOFkraut Год назад

I think the ford van makes more sense. it's cheaper and easier to get parts for

@Jv19979 Год назад

And has a ton more power

@sauerOFkraut Год назад

@S Volk ford dealership is 10mins away. MB dealership is 3.5 hrs away.

@sauerOFkraut Год назад

@S Volk I do my own oil changes too. yet warranty work is easier to get done 10 minutes away then 3.5 hours away. lots easier to find a ford dealer then a mb dealer if something goes bad on a trip

@garden0fstone736 Год назад

@@sauerOFkrautwell yeah ford will be at the shop pretty often so I don’t blame ya for needing one close by

@sauerOFkraut Год назад

@garden0fstone736 always good to have an idea on logistics to get things repaired

@cameronbreckenridge9789 Год назад

Wow those horsepower and torque numbers seem anemic

@rudolphna54 Год назад

It's a diesel, low HP numbers are normal. The torque number is indeed a bit low however

@autobootpiloot Год назад

I guess you have never been on the German autobahn or in the European mountains. Vans like this make Porsches look slow. Even with less hp, because most don’t have this top or the line engine. Nothing is faster than a constructionworker on the way home. Maximum allowed weight is 3500kg so they have enough tools on board to weigh at least 4000kg when they sit on your rear bumper flashing the lights wanting to pass.

@bertwilson4311 Год назад

Partially because he is incorrectly stating torque on both the new and old Sprinters by 100 lb-ft.

@angelgjr1999 Год назад

They are, I remember having the rev tf out of the little engine to go uphill driveways.

@carholic-sz3qv Год назад

No it's more than adequate! You don't need 500hp for that wtf!!!! In Europe it's 120-190hp big vans

@theylied1776 Год назад

I mean, if I can't get them to build me an alien /zombie laboratory on that sprinter, then there's really no point.

@etmccaus Год назад

Really sad to hear they not only ditched the 3.0, but ditched the 4x4 setup for AWD.

@hellobenny Год назад

4cyl awd seems to be better, look at all the reviews. the only ppl praising the 4x4 3.0 are current owners who are rationalizing their purchase.

@garden0fstone736 Год назад

I mean it is better all the way around. No matter how you look at it.

@karloskelly 9 месяцев назад

the ludicrous goofy system Mercedes foisted on the US market from 2015-2022 is a laugh. No lockers, stop to shift, noisy, max 35% torque to the front. It won't be missed.

@craigmccall7450 Год назад

Ha, ha! My Ford Transit Ecoboost kickin' all that German ass, all the time.

@svolk2921 Год назад

Like 13 mpg vs 25mpg ? And like engine longevity 200k vs 600k?

@craigmccall7450 Год назад

@@svolk2921 Whoa! You're funny. If power is meaningless, then enjoy the crawl and your maintenance, son. 🥩💪

@svolk2921 Год назад

@@craigmccall7450 lol , comparing junk car, with laughable mpg , where everything is falling apart and has horrible engineering to the real piece of ART is funny . My V6 with 7 sp is not crawl ! And there’s no cheaper maintenance than my Sprinter! My last 2014 Sprinter has almost 800k and I never went to dealer for their‘maintenance’ - there’s nothing to maintain in that diesel, everything is still original, even turbo.

@christophggcyrus6861 9 месяцев назад

For sure ….. as long as it keeps you happy …… (hint: won‘t last that long) 😅

@keitha.9788 9 месяцев назад

2.0 L engine seem rather small for a large/heavy vehicle. Bet the engine won't last as long as the 3.0 L V6.

@kornaros96 8 месяцев назад

It's a turbodiesel. You will have to really load it down in order to feel weak.

@headinghome1644 6 месяцев назад

True. To put one of these in a MB Sanctuary Class B van from Thor that weighs 8k lbs is dumb. 6cyl was reliable. 2.0, who knows?

@bradh7472 6 месяцев назад

These Sprintervans are very capable off road and rock crawling if setup right. Put a lift and locker, they are unstoppable!

@Mr-pn2eh Год назад

Meep

@micku9954 Год назад

Come on still no electric parking brake to save spare

@ubermenschen3636 7 месяцев назад

The 2.0 L diesel has to rev higher to reach the same torque as the 3.0 Liter. Mpg is not improved.

@PlayWaves1 10 дней назад

It's more for emissions than mpg. It doesn't necessarily have to rev higher because it's twin turbo vs the single turbo of the 3.0L.

@paul1der 6 месяцев назад

my 3 liter with clap this thing

@gondwanatravels8834 10 месяцев назад

Can’t beat cubic inches old son😂

@SSVHD Год назад

Emissions systems for the US are problematic, no matter which Sprinter engine. California and Oregon are phasing out petroleum based diesel in favor of biomass blends which are not advised for Sprinters, just like B20 is problematic.

@headinghome1644 6 месяцев назад

True. Very true.

@bonoman68 15 минут назад

Lol, completely wrong numbers google HO awd sprinter output misleading as most of the content on this channel 😂

@lawrenceralph7481 Год назад

Made for going slow.

@farhancsgo_25 Год назад

WTH? BIGGY VAN BUT SHE HAVE TINY ENGINE 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

@petelattimer6808 Год назад

the norm in Europe and more than adequate in the real world, with well designed road systems.

@musarra195 Год назад

Cars getting soft just so they can meet their mpg requirements

@karloskelly 9 месяцев назад

9000 lbs? Check your glasses. 6000 empty!

@SunnynPhilly Год назад

Seems like a step backwards. The 6 cylinder diesel is very smooth and has plenty of power. Probably way more reliable then the twin turbo 4. *where I live is about 400’ above sea level though so I wasn’t spending time diving the 3L 6 at elevation climbing up mountains 🏔️ ✌️

@petelattimer6808 Год назад

twin turbo 4 cylinder has been around in various Mercedes vehicles for about a decade in Europe now. more than adequate for well designed roads.

@Johnyshmit Год назад

You can tell that it's wrong when people have to invent new terms, like a power delivery. It's like 0-60 is overnight by Amazon and two days by the USPS. 2.1 feels like a train with a lawn mower engine. My 3.0 with a SUV tune drives almost the same as my 6.4 Jeep SRT, I can do a burnout in it. Will drive it until my wheels fell off, will never by a Mercedes lawn mower

@tztz1949 Год назад

2.0 is a joke for towing, hauling or mountain driving. Sorry but your demoing an empty van. Put 5000 lbs in or behind it and you will burn up the 2.0 quicker than you can pop more Adderall to dream for more power.

@Jv19979 Год назад

Yeah going to be funny when people don't buy these

@ben3989 Год назад

I owned a 2wd sprinter for about 8 years that had the 2.1 twin turbo 4 cylinder (om651) and it was great. Excellent mpg’s, towed my 4,000 lb boat with ease and occasionally pulled big dump trailers. I really liked it.

@garden0fstone736 Год назад

Wait what? How can I pop adderall with a shortage?

@kornaros96 8 месяцев назад

@@garden0fstone736 count the sheeps

@ellerybice3787 21 день назад

Your body looks to be cramped in the drivers seat.