One added benefit of decreasing pelvic tilt approaching impact is that this extends your spine, increasing the distance between vertebrae. During side bend at impact, you jam your right side facets joints together causing right lower back pain, usually referred to as “SI joint pain”. Dumping the water backward essentially stretches your spine apart giving you more room to side bend without jamming facets into each other. A slow motion turn with and without losing pelvic tilt will demonstrate this plus the added ability to turn the hips further through impact.
The illustration at 5:10 led to me understanding how to transition correctly. I would always squat and turn, but after tilting to engage the glutes and obliques, I felt my core pull my arms into the hitting position with incredible force. I now have a better understanding of how to "use the ground" while maintaining posture.
LITERALLY the secret no one teaches... BTW I bought the TPI Biomechanics course and it's nerdy, but genius. One suggestion, show players not just 3D models for the plebs to understand and you'll have a goldmine on your hands. I am a marketing expert LMK if you want guidance on constructing a master class... Also, I am a 2.4 handicap on my way to + because of TPI
Why don't you simply start in a neutral pelvic position which you remain throughout the swing? So basically why start in a position (anterior pelvic tilt) you don't wanna be in impact? Wouldn't it be easier to start in the impact position?
excellent - i suffer from shanks and i think you just explained the cause. A proper abdominal contraction reduces pelvic tilt and prevents early extension.
[memo] * Pelvic Tilt pelvic tilt 란 것은 core (muscle)를 control 할 수 있는 능력을 지닌 것이다. 하체의 힘을 상체로 옮겨주는 것이 pelvic tilt 이다. Tour Pro 들의 평균적인 전경(앞기울임)각도는 20~25도 이다. 골반은 앞으로 기울일 수도 있고 뒤쪽(backward)으로 기울일 수도 있다. 'Neutral Pelvic Position' 이란 것은 골반을 아래쪽에서 roll 하지 않고, 엉덩이(bum)를 밖으로 튀어나오게 내밀지 않은 것을 말한다.
hi, incredible breakdown. my question for you is what disadvantages arise when a player starts with a posture of dumping the water backwards? I am 17 and have a extreme spinal fusion and i’m all about protecting my spine while golfing. very fortunate to be able to make a solid move, the downside is i can’t golf very often because of injury risks and such. Would starting with a posture “dumping the water” extend my spine and protect it through rotation in your professional opinion? Don’t want to make my move the absolute best, just want to stay healthy and protect my spine as much as possible.
I have had lower back problems for many years - golfing was a major source of pain. After watching this video I noticed that improper pelvic tilt during the swing was a big cause. I know strengthening the core is a way to help, but for me it was a conscious effort to change my tilt - I had a strong enough core, I was just not moving by body/pelvis correctly. The other significant discovery has been realizing that I was using the wrong pelvic tilt every time I would bend or stand. I now make an effort every time I stand or bend to keep my belt buckle pointing more up, not down. It feels like a huge change, but if you look in the mirror it looks normal. This small change has helped immensely and I would encourage everyone to evaluate their pelvic tilt during the regular course of a day (putting on socks, bending over to tie shoes, shoveling snow). Thank you Dr. Rose.
After golfing I get horrible low back pain. Years ago I hurt my lower back doing deadlifts and couldn't even put on socks in the morning. Every now and then I get the same low back pain from every day activities, this definitely opened my eyes.
Confusing presentation because IT IS COUNTERINTUITIVE.when you look at the lines of the flow charts showing a descending line going down as hips rise but really there is less tilt happening- the tilt is ascending. Surely a better graph could show this without the accompanying obvious confusion. Line goes down but hips level out or rise. Really!
Collecting data from a sample pool of pros reveals their bio-mechanical trends, but that doesn't mean all of them are consciously tightening the abdominal muscles to create pelvis tilt. The reason we see pros tilting their pelvis is because they consciously thrust their pelvis in search of more swing speed. Further more, just because the pros do it, doesn't automatically make it the best bio-mechanical move to be performing. If in 10 years we witness a new pro performing a different bio-mechanical move with their pelvis, and that move proves to be more beneficial both in performance and injury resistance, would we still be saying pelvis tilt as it's performed today is best? No we wouldn't. The assertion that just because pros are doing it automatically makes it the best bio-mechanical move is dangerous. The amount injury on the tour today is real, and I believe some of those bio-mechanical moves are the problem.
There are two major flaws with your analysis: 1. The data gathered from tens of thousands of professional/top amateur golfers tells the story. The data is statistically significant (think law of large numbers). If there are movement patterns that are consistent, more efficient, and don't cause injury, they would have emerged by now. 2. Flexibility. Take a look at the flexibility, mobility, and strength training elite golfers (pro/top amateurs) are doing. The amount of hip mobility, glute, and core work is amazing. Many of these guys may not look flexible, but by and large, they all are. I started working with a TPI certified trainer about 9 months ago. The area that has helped my game the most, by far, is flexibility. It's a game changer. Going back to your observation about these bio-mechanical moves... the modern golf swing is a very athletic, rotational movement. If people aren't athletic enough, or committed to working on flexibility (I stretch twice a day, 30 minutes each time), you can forget nailing these bio-mechanical movements, and could possibly get injured. It's not entirely dissimilar from a person wanting to be a ballet dancer, and do the splits. If they don't master flexibility/strength, it's a recipe for failure, and likely injury. Put another way... it's not the golf swing, it's the golfer.
Hi Doctor thank you about your knowledgeable video on what I view as ‘The Pelvic tilt Vs Early extension’ Nothing you said was wrong except a great golf swing requires a secondary tilt. Does it not? At impact a great golfer swing the club on the side of his body not in front of his body as they have set up to the ball. And in fact the secondary tilt does occur under the lower body influence to the upper body. With this being said there is also way to much information to think about in the second and a half I am swinging my club So would you agree that a golfer’s lower body must be the primary mover of their golf club traveling around their body? Knowing this now at 74 I have simply and with little thought have turned my lower body into a centrifuge engine that is precisely calibrated every single time How do I do this? Well for me I look at the greatest golfer that never was. Elvis Presley! To get my lower body to take charge of my swing I do the Elvis Pelvis move. How? I like your bucket analogy for the hips. However for my backswing I simply use my lead thigh bone/ knee joint to push my trail hip socket/ joint out of the way and then for my downswing I use my trail knee thigh bone joint to push my lead hip socket/ joint out of the way. All the while I am staying in my golf posture and allowing my arms to swing along my body line dictated by the alternating movements of said parts I saw a video where Gary Player said he met Elvis Presley and Elvis ask Gary to teach him Golf. Gary said: just moves your hips and Elvis laugh and said: That I can do. Put my theory to the test. Try your own Elvis Pelvis move and make your lower body the centrifuge engine it needs to be to supply the centripetal force of your club head traveling back and forth around your body. Watch Hogan knees and hips as he swing his club and you will see what I am taking about even more. Hogan himself said he used his lead knee in order to strike at his ball more accurately with his moving club head. Don’t chase at the ball at all! The club head will come to it automatically as long as you maintain your balance and swing your club along your particular body line. Cheers
This is so awesome Thanks for your description and passion in explaining it Please help me as my right Si and associated anatomy is so sore from trying to learn the modern golf swing At the moment of delivery from thigh high to release since the spine is tilted due to the grip this presents more upper body weight on the right side that binds at delivery and just feels stuck I can force it through but this leads to right SI pain every time Any help or ideas to help here are so appreciated Thanks
Excellent , thanks Dr Rose, this is great for controlled transition. Quick question: if we abduct the oblique on the way down, to we have to feel anything with the other obliques in the follow through ?
Specifically obliques, on the right side, as they pertain to side-bend. But yes. The glute contraction tilts the pelvis, fjattenung the low back. Another good thought is to keep the ribcage down while contracting the glutes, as lifting the ribcage arches the lower back.
I'm curious how/when the tilt changes as their belt buckle passes the ball. I'm having a hard time getting my hips open more at impact and it looks like I have a very slight early extension. So maybe I'm flattening out a little too early?
I had the same issue. Remember the sequence, hips, torso, arms, club. If you activate the arms too hard and early in the downswing it will retard the rotation of the torso and hips. This is because actively releasing the arms creates a reactive force that pushes back on the rotation. So try swinging with soft noodle arms. IOW, throw you arms into the ball with rotation. It will seem weird at first, but work on it. Took me a while to figure this out, but immediately I started driving the ball close to my normal distance with what felt like a power of a 8 year old. Eventually, I was able speed it up and get my arms more active (but late in the downswing) and I started hitting it 20 yards past my old normal.
Watched this with great interest and much confusion. Confusion because this flies in the face of just about every hip turn video on this platform, including one from your colleague on this channel posted on 7 Jun 2019. These all seem to suggest that you do just the opposite, that you squat as your hips return to square before coming into impact by sticking your backside out away from the ball. (APT?) One top coach on the tube says you should sit back on your heels in this squaring phase in order to facilitate the 'squat'. Can you both be right?
A quick look at the swings of top players and you can see that they don't actually increase pelvic tilt during the downswing as they squat (it's more of a crunch and sit motion). All of this bad information is hurting a lot of peoples backs and games (including mine). A quick slow-mo rehearsal of the two approaches and you will feel all of the resistance to rotation and discomfort that comes from rotating with APT. You literally can't turn through with APT and so you have to come out of it (quickly and therefore forcefully) which causes early extension, loss of body angles, "goat humping", and back pain. It's been killing my game, this video is a game changer imo. Can't wait to get to the range and try it out.
@@22joebaseball Thanks Joseph, there's an awful lot of misleading advice on the YT platform, some of it coming from big names in the coaching business. Been trying to learn this game for 5 years and it's taken me this long to sift out the rubbish from the solid, useful tuition. I've always had a gut feeling that the transition was the key to the golf swing and so it has proved. Coming back to this APT/PPT aspect, I've always had trouble increasing APT as I came down, I could never make it work. Yet if you look at all the pro swing slo mos, they all look as if they're doing it. I will stick with your take on it from now on. Thanks again. David.
This vlog is incredibly insightful. I honestly thought you’d see more of an increase during transition and then a greater drop off at impact as the hips go into extension. What should someone who suffers with EE ‘feel’ in terms of hips during transition?
