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Understanding Quantum Mechanics: Schrödinger's Cat Experiments 

Sabine Hossenfelder
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Schrödinger's cat is an old though-experiment, but it still gives physicists reason to think. In this video, I tell you about some experiments physicists have done to figure out just what is going on with the effect of quantum mechanics for large objects, and we'll discuss what it all means.
The article Tim Palmer and I wrote about Superdeterminism is here:
nautil.us/issue/83/intelligen...
The paper about the entangled laser pulses is here:
www.nature.com/articles/nphys...
The paper about the entangled bacteria is this:
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/f...
And the response to it is here:
iopscience.iop.org/article/10...
The one about Wigner's friends is here:
www.nature.com/articles/s4156...
And the article mentioned at the very end is this one:
theconversation.com/could-sch...
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0:00 Intro
0:24 Schrödinger's Experiment
2:20 Interpretations
4:49 Schrödinger's "Kitten"
6:00 Schrödinger's Bacteria
7:12 Wigner's Friend
9:39 What's Next?
10:09 Sponsor Message

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Комментарии : 1,9 тыс.   
@PratibhaRaut333
@PratibhaRaut333 3 года назад
Even Heisenberg must be uncertain about it 😉
@drewharrison6433
@drewharrison6433 3 года назад
Werner Heisenberg bought a brand new sports car and invited Erwin Schrodinger for a drive. Along the way they get pulled over. The officer approached the window and said "Do you know how fast you were going?" Werner said, "No, but I know almost exactly where I am." "You were going 90 miles an hour!" "Now I'm lost!" said Werner At that moment Erwin pipes up loud enough for the officer to hear, "I sure hope he doesn't look in the trunk!" Of course the officer says "Alright open the trunk!" They comply and the officer goes behind the car. A few minutes later he returns and exclaims, "There's a dead cat in a box back there!" "Well it's dead now!"
@nziom
@nziom 3 года назад
lmao
@ahmetrefikeryilmaz4432
@ahmetrefikeryilmaz4432 3 года назад
lol
@ArlenKundert
@ArlenKundert 3 года назад
I see what you did there 😋
@PanglossDr
@PanglossDr 3 года назад
Heisenberg Beer - probably the best beer in the world.
@s8w5
@s8w5 3 года назад
4:37 "... cats just constantly interact with something, like air or the cosmic background radiation". Most notably, cats also _always_ interact with objects at an edge of an elevated place.
@CAThompson
@CAThompson 3 года назад
I can tell where my cat has interacted with things by the shed fur.
@UncleKennysPlace
@UncleKennysPlace 3 года назад
Yes. My cat efficiently tidies my desk.
@_vicary
@_vicary 3 года назад
Even better if you phrase it as "Cats interacts with everything not in ground state."
@monad_tcp
@monad_tcp 3 года назад
they interact with objects after the edge, that's literal quantum tunnelling for you
@jaewok5G
@jaewok5G 3 года назад
god created cats to ensure that gravity is uniformly enforced throughout the universe … it's the law.
@carlosandres7006
@carlosandres7006 3 года назад
Don’t know why I can’t stop listening and learning. You are the most advanced science channel for normal people. Thanks
@panther105
@panther105 3 года назад
When Sabine explains anything, I feel I'm getting closer to understanding it than ever in my life.
@msigurko
@msigurko 3 года назад
Sabine, can we please have an episode discussing the implications of throwing out any one of these assumptions?
@cometrider2000
@cometrider2000 3 года назад
Please / I'm having a dificul choice to make here and I do not want to loose Quantum Entanglement ; this enables us the ability to transcend distance at a rate that will get us beyond are Galaxy !
@CChissel
@CChissel 3 года назад
@@cometrider2000 Entanglement is already being used...
@RWin-fp5jn
@RWin-fp5jn 3 года назад
Indeed. here we have a century old problem and at 9:12 into the video Sabine is telling us , there are three solutions to pick from, none of them apparently striking the correct tone otherwise our hundreds of thousands of minds would already have solved it. We need another option or at least stated more fundamentally. This is where one's contribution in physics may actually matter. Think out of the cat's box for once and don't be afraid what your academic watchers will say of you. As for the solution; Sabine how about QP processes simply do not evolve along our clock of 'time'. They are simply not defined in a time frame unless and until the spacetime based observer looks at it. There is a reason we call QP orthogonal to GR.
@area51z63
@area51z63 3 года назад
@@cometrider2000 Have you tried considering the Feds latest move on interest rates?
@Grizabeebles
@Grizabeebles 3 года назад
@@RWin-fp5jn -- personally (as an undereducated layman) I've given up and started choosing to believe that "entangled" particles are just different parts of the same "quantum object". Consider Carl Sagan's thought experiment of an apple descending through a 2-dimensional universe. A 2-dimensional being can only perceive the apple in infinitely thin 2-D cross-sections. A 2-D being therefore can't directly perceive the entire 3-D apple. BUT, as the apple falls through the 2-D plane, the changes over time could give a 2-D being clues to what a 3-dimensional object might look like. What we call "entangled particles" could simply be an artifact of our only being able to perceive and measure objects with MORE than 3 spatial dimensions in a 3-dimensional cross-section. So, until someone proves to me otherwise, I choose to believe that "entangled particles" are simply different parts of the same object making contact with our 3-dimensional plane at multiple points.
@shannonlove4328
@shannonlove4328 3 года назад
“In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.” Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies
@happyhome41
@happyhome41 3 года назад
Wigner - important twist on Schrödinger's cat experiment -- wonderful step through building blocks to understanding. Worth watching again several times so it has a chance to sink in a thick skull. Marvelous, thank you !
@alvinuli5174
@alvinuli5174 Год назад
I love when Sabine makes a video just a minute before going to the ball room.
@trespire
@trespire 3 года назад
Excelent presentation. Not that I comprehend it, I'll have to rewatch several more times before even comprehending 10%, maybe.
@KeithCooper-Albuquerque
@KeithCooper-Albuquerque 3 года назад
Each week your videos bring me to a closer understanding of physics! Thanks for your wonderful content, Sabine!
@JayVal90
@JayVal90 3 года назад
I’m a fan of throwing out point 3, the spooky action at a distance. It seems less likely to result in super confusing but technically simpler interpretations where you just have to loosen your grasp on reality to accept. That’s the same reason I like the pilot wave interpretation for the double slit experiment, because it is easier to think about (even if it’s slightly more complicated mathematically).
@petrsmital7340
@petrsmital7340 3 года назад
"A laser pulse is approximately a cat" - This sentence alone should be enough to get young people interested in physics
@krzysztofciuba271
@krzysztofciuba271 3 года назад
yes, in their philosophical, strictly, semiotical idiocy: P.Dirac brackets@"cat alive or dead". Reducate yourself on divine scientific semantics (start from A.Tarski, AD 1936)
@area51z63
@area51z63 3 года назад
@@krzysztofciuba271 Schroders cat is an electro chemical impulse in the mind of a person wasting their time. Thus it is clear that the impulse is neither alive or dead nor was it ever alive or dead. Please dispute my reasoning if you have a PhD or greater degree, as I will enjoy humiliating you
@kayleebridgeman1419
@kayleebridgeman1419 3 года назад
@@area51z63 explain more. If it’s not alive or dead what is it. How is it an electro chemical impulse
@area51z63
@area51z63 3 года назад
@@kayleebridgeman1419 Schrodinger's cat is a thought experiment, thoughts are a purely electrical/chemical process in a mind. So you are asking if an imaginary cat in an imaginary box is alive or dead. But what do I know as I just buy Apples and stuff
@Amenti_H
@Amenti_H 3 года назад
As we all already know, a cat can be controlled with a laset.
@trajan098117
@trajan098117 2 года назад
Excellent video. I love your position on quantum physics and I think you explain your views in a way that is entertaining and thought provoking. Thank you for all your hard work!
@O.mundo.emoçao
@O.mundo.emoçao 3 года назад
I love your take in the interpretations of quantum mechanics. Is something that passes by in Physics study. And I really hate Schrodinger's cat jokes because everyone misses the point completly and turns the deep phylosophic meaning aside and start talking about jokes that you already heard a million times in Grad school.
@jasondellatolla
@jasondellatolla 3 года назад
OMG the delivery of the line on Schrodinger's dog was 10/10 😂😂
@michaelferguson4549
@michaelferguson4549 3 года назад
You are a joy. I am familiar with most of the issues (such as this one). But, your discussions are so disciplined. For a time, I had arguments with a MW friend. When you discussed MW, I just sent him the link. Your reasoning is the same as mine, but you explain it so much better. Also, after I thought deeply about Bell, I settled on super determinism, too.
@tommylee2894
@tommylee2894 3 года назад
Sabine's position and explanation on this subject matter, is....once again superb!
@josephdestaubin7426
@josephdestaubin7426 3 года назад
This is so way beyond my IQ level, and yet so deliciously captivating.
@Graeme_Lastname
@Graeme_Lastname 3 года назад
Don't confuse IQ with lack of knowledge. I've done a lot of that. 🖖‍‍
@andsalomoni
@andsalomoni 3 года назад
I'd add that the IQ tests are bullshit.
@Graeme_Lastname
@Graeme_Lastname 3 года назад
@@andsalomoni Very true, but little known, fact. ;)
@BBQDad463
@BBQDad463 3 года назад
Every time I watch one of your videos, I feel like I actully understand something. You are a great teacher.
@gregcampwriter
@gregcampwriter 3 года назад
As a science fiction writer, I find the multiworlds hypothesis to create the greatest temptation toward convenient plot solutions.
@meesalikeu
@meesalikeu 3 года назад
you must work for marvel comics
@andsalomoni
@andsalomoni 3 года назад
Multiverses and Time Travels are a gold mine to science fiction. I just mention "The Gods Themselves" and "The Door Into Summer".
@gregcampwriter
@gregcampwriter 3 года назад
@@andsalomoni One of the best time travel stories is Asimov's The End of Eternity."
@andsalomoni
@andsalomoni 3 года назад
@@gregcampwriter Yes, I read it!
@cdoubleplusgood
@cdoubleplusgood 3 месяца назад
Heinlein: The Number of the Beast
@Darkanight
@Darkanight 3 года назад
I love and admire this lady so much... The subject has been studied for so many years, still... Sabine's always so intelligent and so relevant.
@spiritualneutralist2597
@spiritualneutralist2597 3 года назад
I am not a science buff but I feel like I am beginning to understand your videos. Another great video! Thank you
@colinbrash
@colinbrash 3 года назад
Actually, Schrodinger had both a cat and a dog until he observed it.
@Jolly_Rodger
@Jolly_Rodger 3 года назад
I'm still laughing.
@louisjwiese5515
@louisjwiese5515 3 года назад
Lol
@PunishedFelix
@PunishedFelix 3 года назад
This is how I feel when i combine physics and philosophy
@A_Chicago_Man
@A_Chicago_Man 3 года назад
Hahahahahahah Thanks brother! Good one!
@JohnJackson-mn4ts
@JohnJackson-mn4ts 3 года назад
Pavlov’s dog. Salivated every time it was observed.
@user-hc5ks3rw7e
@user-hc5ks3rw7e 3 года назад
Another wonderful video by Dr. Hossenfelder. Our thanks also for verbalizing what may rank as one of the dumbest ideas in quantum physics: "Before you measure it, the nucleus is both decayed and not decayed." Something as simple as the undecayed nucleus undergoes a transition that leaves it in a decayed state just won't do: That would be far too simple an explanation, and what's worse, completely in accord with our intuition. The fact that an atom in an excited state *spontaneously* decays to a state of lower energy evidently doesn't have any relevance when describing decaying nuclei. Schrödinger's cat is really a side show, however; the experiment that truly matters is EPR. The person who sheds significant light on that will be very deserving of the Nobel Prize.
@mrswasteyouryouth
@mrswasteyouryouth 3 года назад
LOVE your videos!! This is on of my favorite videos ever, thanks a lot for explaining it in such a good way :)
@JO-mg6xc
@JO-mg6xc Год назад
I agree with you. It’s determined in advance. Make the box transparent and the cat is alive OR dead. The cat whether you see or not is already in a COLLAPSED state, not in a superposition of states.
@schmetterling4477
@schmetterling4477 Год назад
You are telling us that you don't understand quantum mechanics. So what, though? So nothing. ;-)
@epiendless1128
@epiendless1128 3 года назад
Experimental evidence suggests that the cat has quantum-tunnelled out of the box, and is squatting over the scientist's slippers with a strained expression.
@CAThompson
@CAThompson 3 года назад
The cat then proceeds to leave hair all over the physicists house...
@patrickfitzgerald2861
@patrickfitzgerald2861 3 года назад
One can only dream . . . 🤣
@JohnJackson-mn4ts
@JohnJackson-mn4ts 3 года назад
😂.
@dragon_long7213
@dragon_long7213 3 года назад
Wonderful! Thank you so much for your very nice and interesting thoughts!
@mileskeller5244
@mileskeller5244 2 года назад
Brilliantly explained! Thank you so much.
@OboeCanAm
@OboeCanAm 3 года назад
Thank you, Sabine, for demonstrating the proper pronunciation of "Schrödinger".
@ToutCQJM
@ToutCQJM 3 года назад
Well, that was the German pronunciation of the last name. It’s now so widely known in English, that we have our own pronunciation.
@jonathanmatthews5111
@jonathanmatthews5111 3 года назад
Unfortunately, Sabine spelt Schroedinger without an “r” in the title!
@billrock6734
@billrock6734 3 года назад
It's no wonder there's still confusion over Schrodingers cat, the old lad forgot to factor in that they've got nine lives..
@a.randomjack6661
@a.randomjack6661 3 года назад
Smartest comment!!! And I observed it 🧐
@savetheclimate2292
@savetheclimate2292 3 года назад
Even after nine lives the cat is most likely dead by now. He invented the box in 1935. Now we are in 2021. No cat gets that old not even with 9 lives.
@robertthomas5906
@robertthomas5906 3 года назад
When a cat enters the lab it has already lost 8 of those lives.
@carlknibbs2849
@carlknibbs2849 2 года назад
really enjoying the content keep up the good work thanks
@Rebel8MAC
@Rebel8MAC 3 года назад
Thank you! I just found your channel and I love it.
@johnkelland
@johnkelland 3 года назад
Should have put Pavlov's dog in the box , that mut was used to being screwed with .
@grokeffer6226
@grokeffer6226 3 года назад
I didn't understand the question at the end, but I'll watch again and pay better attention. My doggo, Sweetie, was drooling on me like Pavlov as I watched the first time.
@grokeffer6226
@grokeffer6226 3 года назад
I don't know the answer to that question. But I think my dog is hungry.
@CAThompson
@CAThompson 3 года назад
I'm hanging out at home with my Indie-Cat, and now am wondering why Shrödinger had a cat in this thought-experiment and not a dog. I'm guessing he wasn't a 'cat person'.
@grokeffer6226
@grokeffer6226 3 года назад
@@CAThompson I'm cooking my dog and I some breakfast. I wish that I understood Physics better, but it's all very interesting, regardless. Hope your cat is staying out of danger boxes.
@CAThompson
@CAThompson 3 года назад
@@grokeffer6226 She'd better, LOL
@Aufenthalt
@Aufenthalt 3 года назад
Very good video which keeps me updated about what is happening in the field of QM interpretation. I have left his field unfortunately several years ago as I tried to prove the spontaneous decoherence of Quantum states.
@neusamariasantos1883
@neusamariasantos1883 3 года назад
I am delighted to hear Sabine, but I think the videos could be subtitled or even dubbed so that they can be seen in Brazil ... Sabine, your line of thinking is wonderful ... Thank you!
@itsbs
@itsbs 3 года назад
If the reason for Quantum State Superposition collapse is at 4:30, then why is the Photon Quantum State Superposition easy to observe in the double slit experiment as an interference pattern of Photons? Shouldn't the Photon interference pattern collapse with interaction of the air, heat and noise?
@CAThompson
@CAThompson 3 года назад
Not if it's done in a vacuum, I guess.
@itsbs
@itsbs 3 года назад
@@CAThompson Anyone with a $5 laser pointer and a diffraction grating can create a coherent superposition of the "Quantum State" of Photons. You can do this in your own kitchen and they don't "decohere" ... the Photons are both dead and alive at the same time and we get to see it with our own eyes?
@ricardvaletaibanez7193
@ricardvaletaibanez7193 3 года назад
Thank you for this interesting video, beautiful Sabine 😍👍🔔
@mdderrek9280
@mdderrek9280 3 года назад
Your content is absolutely precious.
@lior5059
@lior5059 3 года назад
Thank you. Very interesting as always. It would be very interesting if you could present your view, about delayed choice quantum eraser experiments too, which I believe, are some how related to the presented issue.
@SabineHossenfelder
@SabineHossenfelder 3 года назад
Thanks, I will keep this in mind.
@lior5059
@lior5059 3 года назад
@@SabineHossenfelder Thank you (:
@timjackson3954
@timjackson3954 3 года назад
Ah, this is the "Schrödinger's lab assistant" experiment, where Schrödinger notionally replaced the cat with his lab assistant. Of course, being a postdoc, he was a qualified observer able to resolve the wave function. But then he in turn was replaced by an undergraduate. Even after opening the box they were unable to determine whether he was dead, alive or just drunk.
@CBananaW
@CBananaW 2 года назад
Underrated comment
@jdaniels1971
@jdaniels1971 Год назад
Isn't this an argument for superintoxication?
@MarkM001
@MarkM001 3 года назад
Since you are the only physicist that has taken the effort to explain the cat in away that holds my interest freely I'm going with Superdeterminism.
@jackwillis5446
@jackwillis5446 3 года назад
Sabine, will you make a video about pseudoparticles like phonons and polaritons? Love the channel and the videos get better each time.
@TheDummbob
@TheDummbob 3 года назад
Sabine thank you for the awesome videos! Could you do one on superdeterminism? What makes it appealing? How does it compare to entanglement? (as far as I know these two "mechanisms" compete in explaining whats going on in the violation of Bell's inequality, is that right?) :)
@justvideos3216
@justvideos3216 3 года назад
Isn't the cat itself as a living being with self-awareness an observer of its own death / staying alive?
@sb_dunk
@sb_dunk 3 года назад
This is what annoys me, that no one ever explains this. First, there is no reason to believe that awareness or consciousness is the requirement for "measuring" something, so the fact that it's a self-aware cat is irrelevant. My understanding is that within the closed system (the box) the state has resolved, so yes the cat "knows". However, it's not yet resolved outside of the box and opening the box and "linking" the inside to the outside resolves this for the observer. Not sure if that makes much sense, nor whether this is a correct assessment. Any quantum physicists can jump in now to embarrass me.
@johnnytass2111
@johnnytass2111 3 года назад
What the cat knows is that if it gets out of the box alive then the scientist who put it in there with the poison is dead, the scientist just doesn't know that yet.
@nicholasdamjanovich4686
@nicholasdamjanovich4686 3 года назад
My understanding is that an observer is classified as any particle/thing that isn't the particle/thing being measured. This assumption is why we can apply these things to the other end of the universe, and also why the cat is either dead or alive not both in reality, because the air in the box is an observer to the cat and radioactive atom, making the thought experiment impossible outside of being a thought experiment.
@smartcatcollarproject5699
@smartcatcollarproject5699 3 года назад
Cats are great observers so it was really a bad example, but Schrödinger's daughter later let the cat out the bag, when she explained in a book that her father just really didn't like cats. This was probably just a way for him to torment these animals without harming them. Then I suppose Erwin Schrödinger could have argued that cats are mostly unconscious as they spend most of their time sleeping, so the wave function would not collapse at least 90% of the time...
@cosmopoiesecriandomundos7446
@cosmopoiesecriandomundos7446 3 года назад
Actually, as Sabine said, even the air around it can measure the cat. You don't need to be conscious
@quacks2much
@quacks2much 3 года назад
Sabine is like a favorite song. If I like the tune, I don't necessarily care what the words mean. Sabine is so smart I don't necessarily understand everything she says, but I still love listening to her.
@JohnRaschedian
@JohnRaschedian 3 года назад
This was a brilliant video! Thank you!
@davidmurphy563
@davidmurphy563 3 года назад
Well, in ireland we're all very religious and the missionary is considered a super position.
@FPSIreland2
@FPSIreland2 3 года назад
I love my fellow countrymen
@jonathonjubb6626
@jonathonjubb6626 3 года назад
@@rossjackson7352 ah, but there might be a Dog!
@davidmurphy563
@davidmurphy563 3 года назад
@@rossjackson7352 Well, theological epistemology, and God in general, does come up a lot. Some people take it the wrong way.
@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT
@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT 3 года назад
69 upvotes for you!
@knarf_on_a_bike
@knarf_on_a_bike 3 года назад
Most importantly, Schrödinger's cat gave rise to the BEST science joke ever: "Schrödinger and Heisenberg were driving in a car. . ." LOL!
@likebot.
@likebot. 3 года назад
Ah yessss. The cop retired that day.
@heldersilva6672
@heldersilva6672 3 года назад
... and Ohm.
@knarf_on_a_bike
@knarf_on_a_bike 3 года назад
@@heldersilva6672 who "resists" arrest. LOL! I like that version, too.
@davidmurphy563
@davidmurphy563 3 года назад
My version doesn't have Schrodinger... Cop: Sir! I pulled you over because you were driving a two tonne car at 100mph! Heisenberg: Oh great... Now I'm lost!
@biggianthead17
@biggianthead17 3 года назад
I love that joke...
@abdoolmoron6430
@abdoolmoron6430 3 года назад
Sharp and clear explanation 👍👍
@123Shel12
@123Shel12 3 года назад
Hard to imagine that this 11 minute video is only the tip of the iceberg! Well done Sabina!
@likebot.
@likebot. 3 года назад
I have a Schrodinger's lottery ticket...
@carlosgaspar8447
@carlosgaspar8447 3 года назад
i have a schrodinger's mind, or maybe not.
@AndreasDelleske
@AndreasDelleske 3 года назад
Or maybe not. I haven’t looked yet.
@gyro5d
@gyro5d 3 года назад
Is it a winning ticket or a losing ticket? Depends if I look.
@paulfrunza
@paulfrunza 3 года назад
Dr. H, in super determinism, when you say that it is a smooth, deterministic, and local process, does it not mean that for a short while the cat was in superposition even though that the collapse of the wave function happened before you made the observation? Is it not the same issue, regardless of how short or long time the cat was in superposition?
@alangil40
@alangil40 Год назад
I am not sure. Cats are not Quantum objects. Even if the Cat is made of particles that are Quantum, the resulting biological construct is not Quantum. Which is why we can apply Newton's laws to Cats and other macro objects. The thing that is actually in superposition is the particle that will trip the hammer and if that is only in superposition for nanoseconds, will the hammer (another macro object) actually have time to be both tripped and not tripped? (I am not a Physicist, just speculating here, so could be wildly wrong).
@boarhog1979
@boarhog1979 2 года назад
Sabine has a perfect voice for her videos
@HenriqueRMota
@HenriqueRMota 11 месяцев назад
Some people would argue that what actually holds is spooky action at a distance (such as non-local determinant models) with no need of superdeterminism. :)
@Techmagus76
@Techmagus76 3 года назад
So the takeaway lesson: Schroedingers cat turned into a dog to escape the death trap, that is really an unexpected outcome of the famous experiment. But well that is how science works and we now have to look for models that could explain that. Morphing escape theory: (1/2 CxAxT + 1/2 CxAxT)box ---> DxOxG(0)box
@Primitarian
@Primitarian 3 года назад
I would give up the prohibition against "spooky action at a distance." You won't miss it, particularly if the prohibition is eased just for quantum effects. In contrast, superdeterminism implies that chance is an illusion, that everything was predetermined. For this view I have two questions: 1) What predetermines the pre-determinant? A cause infinitely far back in time? If so, nothing is really a determinant, for every apparent determinant actually has a pre-determinant ad infinitum. But if every determinant is not really a determinant, then determinism is an illusion. 2) What role would natural laws play in a super-determined universe? Natural laws are generalizations, but superdeterminism implies every event was determined specifically, in which case no generalization actually is true, in which natural laws are an illusion.
@CAThompson
@CAThompson 3 года назад
Superderterminism holds that everything that will ever happen is set in motion by the Big Bang, when particles were set on their paths. It's explained in the earlier video in this channel on free will.
@davidfdzp
@davidfdzp 3 года назад
I find more magic than science believing that randomness is genuine, not only a lack of knowledge, so I bet on superdeterminism, but I don't know which of the other two to discard.
@pedroteixeira4369
@pedroteixeira4369 3 года назад
In superdeterminism, chance is not an illusion. You still haven the randomness of quantum effects. What superdeterminism means is that the initial conditions that kick started the universe as well as the randomness of quantum mechanics are the only events that determine everything anytime in the universe. In essence, you don't have free will, because you cannot change the laws of the universe ( classical or quantum ). We are just computers that process inputs into outputs acording to the laws of the universe. We have no play on how the process works. Sabrine wrote a nice piece on it on her blog one or two years ago. Search for Sabrine superdeterminism the forgotten solution.
@CAThompson
@CAThompson 3 года назад
@@pedroteixeira4369 Sabine, do you mean?
@pedroteixeira4369
@pedroteixeira4369 3 года назад
@@CAThompson Yes! thanks for correcting me. :)
@muzzammilpervaiz5296
@muzzammilpervaiz5296 Год назад
Your explanation to Schrodinger's cat is mind blowing 😊
@joemoya9743
@joemoya9743 3 года назад
Nicely done
@marianconstantindumitriu6062
@marianconstantindumitriu6062 3 года назад
"Schrodinger did not have a cat" Well... not anymore at least...
@bearcubdaycare
@bearcubdaycare 3 года назад
You don't know that...
@thetourist5133
@thetourist5133 3 года назад
Maybe in *this* universe...
@cambrown5633
@cambrown5633 3 года назад
I heard he both had a cat and didn't have a cat depending on whether his neighbour observed it in their flower bed.
@jaewok5G
@jaewok5G 3 года назад
but maybe he did have a cat
@picksalot1
@picksalot1 3 года назад
One of the better "cat videos" I've seen on RU-vid. Thanks Sabine. I think, when it comes to observations, Scientist's are too often blind, deaf regarding the voice of reason, and dumb regarding their conclusions.
@eljcd
@eljcd 3 года назад
Well, I don't know, Owlkitty is a pretty strong contender... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BqYyE2JNMfg.html
@Bjowolf2
@Bjowolf2 3 года назад
So now poor Sabine has sunk so low that she has started making cat videos? 😳😂
@picksalot1
@picksalot1 3 года назад
@@Bjowolf2 Her Schrodinger's Cat "music video" is awesome, no joke. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-I_0laAhvHKE.html
@Bjowolf2
@Bjowolf2 3 года назад
@@picksalot1 Thank you - will check it out 😉
@Bjowolf2
@Bjowolf2 3 года назад
@@picksalot1 😂
@mitchellhudson8338
@mitchellhudson8338 3 года назад
I enjoy your videos so much. Free will assumptions muddy the water. Fears concerning “the destruction of falsifiability” only worsen the fog of bias clouding the way forward. Superdeterminism is the simplest explanation. We could at least start there, unhindered by fears of losing something that logically cannot exist.
@jameskelley3365
@jameskelley3365 Год назад
I have never thought superposition was strange just mathematics you have given the best explanation.Thanks for the clear explanation.😅
@indricotherium4802
@indricotherium4802 3 года назад
An article in the mainstream media about quantum physics may include a mention of Schrödinger's cat or may not include a mention of Schrödinger's cat but before I see it I know that it will include a mention of Schrödinger's cat (usually in the first or second scene or paragraph).
@CAThompson
@CAThompson 3 года назад
😒😆
@oisnowy5368
@oisnowy5368 3 года назад
Hey Sabine, one thing I've always been curious about when it comes to multiple-world (and why I personally don't like it) is that "splitting into multiple-universes" should be something of a proces and therefore take time to complete... is that something people thought about?
@SabineHossenfelder
@SabineHossenfelder 3 года назад
Yes. For the most part they think it takes time just that, like the destruction of the superposition state of the cat by interactions with photons or air, it happens extremely rapidly.
@rodschmidt8952
@rodschmidt8952 Год назад
@@SabineHossenfelder Well, it's not a thing that propagates. All we have is organized coincidence--how do we know the wavefunction has collapsed everywhere? By measuring somewhere else; and the results of that measurement will be consistent with the first one. In fact the "second" measurement can even be temporally before the "first" one--especially when we throw relativity into the mix. If we say "extremely rapidly" then we raise the question of whether the effect travels faster than c. But according to me, there's no propagation at all, just organized coincidence, so there is no speed of travel, and that question doesn't need to be raised.
@samsmet3121
@samsmet3121 Год назад
Nice tutorial. Thanks
@mettaphysicist93
@mettaphysicist93 3 года назад
Great video as usual. Physicists do not think enough about time with respect to quantum entanglement and superposition. It is possible to separate entangled particles not just by space but also by time.
@mrfinesse
@mrfinesse 3 года назад
Aha - Finally we find out that Schroedinger was a dog person. That explains it all. BTW - Is this why Sean Carroll (cat person) is a many worlds follower? In any case, Love your videos and presentation
@12jalbrandao
@12jalbrandao 3 года назад
I always did think schrodinger to be a dog person, with all the talk of poisoning cats.
@jollyjokress3852
@jollyjokress3852 3 года назад
but to think about somethin you loathe all the time (with some part of it unpoisoned and alive), I'd rather put in something neutral ;)
@gyozakeynsianism
@gyozakeynsianism 3 года назад
@Vera Tkocz Mmm yes, Schrodinger's hamsters.
@gyro5d
@gyro5d 3 года назад
Schrodinger's daughter said, "She thinks he used cats because he didn't like cats."
@jollyjokress3852
@jollyjokress3852 3 года назад
@@gyro5d haha. Imagine it was the same cat all over in his thoughts experiments. Like the South-Park Kenny. Poor kitty-cat.
@gyro5d
@gyro5d 3 года назад
@@jollyjokress3852; Wouldn't the release or not of poison, matter before the cat? Aether Field or coiled Aether Field.
@georgerevell5643
@georgerevell5643 Год назад
Fascinating i always wanted to know why we don't do the Schrodinger's cat experiment for real in some sense, great explanation makes perfect sense.
@caiolira09
@caiolira09 3 года назад
Sabine, you are awesome!!!
@jollyjokress3852
@jollyjokress3852 3 года назад
I just watched a Veritaserum video on many worlds which included topic about the Schrö-cat. Now I see that Sabine uploaded this vid. Was that the ever-computing algorithm doing this? Tell me!
@CAThompson
@CAThompson 3 года назад
It was Fate. ;)
@scene2much
@scene2much 3 года назад
Sabine's measured and consistently wry nuancing belies that she is an Algorithmic janitorial response to the extant ensemble of physics RU-vid videos. Think Siri + Victor Borge + Albert Einstein encoded into a physics propaganda channel...much more effective than a bland Physics fact check channel.
@sahilsonawale387
@sahilsonawale387 3 года назад
Maybe he was a dog person and probably hates cat... thats why he placed cat in a such place.... But he made that cat famous 😅😂😂
@CAThompson
@CAThompson 3 года назад
That's my sup(erposition)position.
@bernhtp
@bernhtp 3 года назад
The thought experiment using a dog would never have survived and been retold by many. People care too much about dogs.
@elmersbalm5219
@elmersbalm5219 3 года назад
He was a cat person: only cats like living in a box for any amount of time. Dogs look like you hate them if you put them in a box.
@CAThompson
@CAThompson 3 года назад
@@elmersbalm5219 One is unlikely to survive boxing-up a cat unscathed though.
@elmersbalm5219
@elmersbalm5219 3 года назад
@@CAThompson indeed. I speak from bitter experience when relocating.
@peterchambers3592
@peterchambers3592 3 года назад
It is pleasant to hear Sabina pronounce Schrödinger properly. So many of my colleagues cannot do this. ( Also, I can still her say "Differential Equations !" )
@Thomas-gk42
@Thomas-gk42 7 месяцев назад
Sabine is the best science teacher ever.
@johnclapperton8211
@johnclapperton8211 3 года назад
At first I thought she said "The cat is in a box with a vile person" - but you'd never get that past the ethics committee.
@edtheduck6219
@edtheduck6219 3 года назад
I’ve always had a bit of a problem with “collapsing wave functions”. In reality, we exist as a sea of oscillating quantum fields with interference causing local maxima (so they say), so this “collapse” is more that we lack the measuring techniques to determine the effect of something that is spreading out its influence over a wider and wider area. I find it difficult to imagine that there is a step change between uncollapsed and collapsed, just going up a level there is more and more entanglement going on but it becomes for all intents and purposes noise, although it is still there. Maybe there is a kind of filter effect taking place, such that at human scale quantum objects, e.g. a cat, appear to be in one position and composed in a particular way but the closer you look, the fuzzier it gets. The fundamental particles that make up the cat are pure quantum but the bulk properties approximate a cat, due the the unthinkable amount of interaction/entanglement going on all the time. Thoughts?
@Graeme_Lastname
@Graeme_Lastname 3 года назад
I reckon that's very close to how I would say what I think about it. But, I know virtually nothing, just a bloke with a curiosity about things. :)
@scene2much
@scene2much 3 года назад
Some physicists (like Einstein and Hossenfelder) tend to agree with you, and many more are of alternate or opposing convictions. Perhaps there are universes where one set, or the other are correct, and yet, until an experiment is designed and carried out, they exist in superposition.
@steffahn
@steffahn 3 года назад
9:15 - I'm really not knowing any of the details on what's at stake here, but I personally feel most comfortable with the "spooky action at a distance" of the three options.
@markbehets
@markbehets 3 года назад
Schroedingers cat.... the most intriguing story I ever heard in physics. Schroedinger who created a thought experiment proving his own theory could not be right! Although superdeterminism is not yet proved right by experimental observation, I’ve been thinking it must be correct since I first read in Gerard ‘t Hooft articles. He did not call it superdeterminism at that time, but just determinism, and i find this term much more appropriate than superdeterminism. Im my opinion superdeterminism is just determinism which is accepted into all its consequences. Its principles are exactly the same as the philosopher Spinoza already formulated in the 17th century: everything is determined by unchangeable laws of nature. All things are connected because even ‘empty space’ is a mode of Substance and all modes are connected (although Spinoza saw this connectedness as a pure mechanical connectedness, it is a remarkable intuition which is now in another form found in quantum field theory: the fields are everywhere). Superdeterminism is the simplest solution to the measurement problem, not requiring supranatural explanations like many worlds, non-locality or the denial of physical reality. The waves of complex numbers numbers described by Schroedingers equation are just statistical descriptions of an underlying reality we are not able to measure (yet).
@chriscapablanca3491
@chriscapablanca3491 3 года назад
"The cat cannot be both dead and alive at the same time . . ." Sweetheart Sabine obviously doesn't know my cat.
@robertthomas5906
@robertthomas5906 3 года назад
Sounds like your cat is the owner and you're the staff.
@earlystrings1
@earlystrings1 3 года назад
I was hoping to hear that Heisenberg’s dog was named curiosity.
@davidhart5426
@davidhart5426 3 года назад
I was hoping for 'certainty'
@gauravsrivastava3252
@gauravsrivastava3252 3 года назад
sabine, Please do videos on Quantum Mech more frequently. you are just brilliant in explaining quantum in elegant way. a request by Indian Viewer
@nooneinparticular3370
@nooneinparticular3370 3 года назад
I was meaning to ask you to talk about Wigner's friend, but I'm glad it wasn't necessary!
@rogerwebb2058
@rogerwebb2058 3 года назад
Key word being “interpretation”.
@darrennew8211
@darrennew8211 3 года назад
Right. The assumption is that reality exists and works in some particular way that gives rise to the math, and not that the math is how the universe works.
@ThePinkus
@ThePinkus 3 года назад
Yep, and I hope physicists are getting to the realization that they can't just wave the problem away.
@chopsueykungfu
@chopsueykungfu 3 года назад
In another universe, the Planet of the Cats call it Schrodinger's human.
@RadoslavBenda
@RadoslavBenda 3 года назад
Brilliant, thank you :)
@fuglbird
@fuglbird Год назад
When we lived in Copenhagen our cats found Schrödinger's Cat Experiments extremely cruel, but could not see any paradox. They explained it to us using another experiment. Sabine is penned up in a steel chamber, along with the following device (which must be secured against direct interference by Sabine): In a Geiger counter, there is a tiny bit of radioactive substance, so small, that perhaps in the course of the hour one of the atoms decays, but also, with equal probability, perhaps none; if it happens, the counter tube discharges and through a relay unlocks a cabinet with Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte. If one has left this entire system to itself for an hour, one would say that Sabine is still hungry, if meanwhile no atom has decayed. The first atomic decay would have unlocked the Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte and made Sabine happy. The geiger conter is the first instrument observing, the relay is the second, the lock is the third and Sabine is the first human observer. The psi-function of the entire system is irrelevant for this massive system (Sabine excluded of course).
@KlaudiusL
@KlaudiusL 3 года назад
at this point the cat starved to death. No one opened the box to feed him. .. 😥
@sahilsonawale387
@sahilsonawale387 3 года назад
😂😂
@CAThompson
@CAThompson 3 года назад
... 😒
@shortbutsquat8482
@shortbutsquat8482 3 года назад
the passage of time solves yet another problem.
@babybabel7408
@babybabel7408 3 года назад
I am not in the box you fool
@anatomicallymodernhuman5175
@anatomicallymodernhuman5175 3 года назад
I prefer the interpretation that says Schrödinger was just showing how silly the Copenhagen interpretation is.
@simongross3122
@simongross3122 3 года назад
I also prefer that interpretation. I think the cat would too.
@andsalomoni
@andsalomoni 3 года назад
Copenhagen interpretation looks silly only to those who don't have understood it properly.
@andsalomoni
@andsalomoni 3 года назад
@@hollyc5417 I don't think that Copenhagen interpretation ever said what Schroedinger wanted us to believe it said with the cat's paradox. Copenhagen interpretation says that we can't say anything about something that is unobserved, not that a cat is dead AND alive at the same time. Superposition of states only occur in the calculations we make. It is a REPRESENTATION of all the potential outcomes of an experiment at the same time. Copenhagen doesn't say that superposed states ACTUALLY exist. I really don't think that Bohr would have said that the cat is "dead and alive". He would have said that "we can say nothing about the cat's state until we open the box and observe". It was Schroedinger who made the paradox arise, because he was bound to believe that the superposed (calculated potential) states were ACTUAL states. It was his mistake, not Copenhagen's.
@anatomicallymodernhuman5175
@anatomicallymodernhuman5175 3 года назад
@@andsalomoni , I’d like to believe that your understanding of Copenhagen is the one they intended. But it’s certainly not the one taught in most universities. If it constitutes a denial of objective reality, as Dr. H seems to imply, is it logically possible to properly understand it?
@andsalomoni
@andsalomoni 3 года назад
@@anatomicallymodernhuman5175 I'm pretty sure that my understanding of Copenhagen is what Bohr himself thought and said, at least I think so. It constitutes a denial not of an objective reality, but of an observer-independent objective reality. When we make a measurement, we get an objective result, which is part of an objective reality. But we can't say that the result existed in advance, independently of our observation. Objective reality is kind of flexible and non-permanent. It is objective, but there is a "creative" aspect in it, which manifests when an observation is made.
@nibblrrr7124
@nibblrrr7124 3 года назад
Typo in chapter list: "7:12 Winger's Friend" should be *Wigner's*
@SabineHossenfelder
@SabineHossenfelder 3 года назад
Thanks for spotting this. I have fixed it!
@vladislavkamysbayev9985
@vladislavkamysbayev9985 3 года назад
In my opinion, the best demonstration of wavefunction concept applicable to a macroscopic system is superconductivity and Josephson's junction.
@KingGrio
@KingGrio 3 года назад
"Is it really both dead and alive ? And if so, what does that mean ?" Zombie Cat ! Open-shut-case Johnson !
@rassman48
@rassman48 3 года назад
Schrodinger intended this as an 'ironic' experiment, rather than a real one. (His partner is still alive and explained why he said it). In the case of the cat, it is either alive or dead and if we had a sensor in the box we would know which. Or a very large box and the experiment ran with us inside, then we know with absolute certainty. But, from outside of the box we do not know which it is. The problem is with particles, we can not get in the box so we do not know the state it is in. We the added problem that they seem to behave differently when observed. Personally I think that just means that we do not yet know all of the variables, but I don't know either so it could be some other explanation.
@rassman48
@rassman48 3 года назад
@Matthew Morycinski Remember that Schrodinger's cat in a box is an 'ironic' view. In quantum we can not get in the box, also we can not put any sensor in the box, because it behaves differently when observed. So assuming we are outside, we can not know what the state is inside the box, or in other words, what the transient state of particles is. As I said, I don't think we have a full picture of quantum states yet, but also I am not sure we will ever know. It doesn't mean we can not use those states, only that we can not determine them while they are transient.
@humanitech
@humanitech 3 года назад
Or is the cat always stressed, annoyed or fed up through being endlessly placed in the box by the minds of curious humans LOL. Funnily I remember in my youth trying to convince people that mirrors both reflect nearfield reality but the things outside of reflective viewing area were and could be completely different realities... beyond the room or reflection viewpoint....with interesting and amusing mixed results
@jollyjokress3852
@jollyjokress3852 3 года назад
Is it possible that your reflection in the mirror is just the most probably pic? And the rest, whatever it is, is just improbable to show up? - maybe complete nonsense what I wrote
@hiltonchapman4844
@hiltonchapman4844 3 года назад
@John Talbot: Re your "... I tried convincing ppl that mirrors reflect a nearfield reality as well as other realities..." Wow! You must have been very popular with the ppl around you. Like, "Uh-oh, look out, here comes Johnny boy and his crazy mirror!" 😂 HC-JAIPUR (27/02/2021)
@humanitech
@humanitech 3 года назад
@@hiltonchapman4844 LoL....I probably was the weird one out of most of my friends...especially those friends behind the mirror LOL. In truth I just always had a silly imagination and way of looking at things...and like to amuse and confuse.
@humanitech
@humanitech 3 года назад
@@jollyjokress3852 Could be...or maybe the mirror just reflects the person it thinks we are !? Or perhaps we have an exact double who actually lives in the mirror world...which are all fun and silly things to ponder
@hiltonchapman4844
@hiltonchapman4844 3 года назад
@@humanitech Re your response ".... I just always had a silly imagination and way of looking at things... and amuse and confuse." It's called thinking out of the box, thinking beyond the envelope. It's the stuff that produces genius. Just go easy on the "confuse" bit. I know you're not serious about it, just going with the flow (of the prose), so no big deal. Anyway, thanks for the response. HC-JAIPUR (28/02/2021)
@DavidporthouseCoUk
@DavidporthouseCoUk 3 года назад
Ditch determinism. With randomness available in a computer simulation we also have the Vernam cipher available to deal with spooky action at a distance. We need to add the randomness in a manner which respects the fact that the sort of behaviour associated with the violation of Bell's inequalities is strictly orthogonal to the behaviour associated with the Schroedinger equation.
@scottsobon9256
@scottsobon9256 3 года назад
Think of it this way. It is “rendering in real life.” Think of every turn of your head, light travels to your eyes differently (but just like you it takes the quickest way possible). So, it has to be in a constant state to accept light to reflect it back (superposition). Kinda of like little packets of information/data and when the information is read released back and the other is deleted (can’t be that position). So, when we measure it, the photon used is measuring which causes the collapse state.
@BigZebraCom
@BigZebraCom 3 года назад
Don't forget Schrödinger's Cat Litter : clean or not clean?
@CAThompson
@CAThompson 3 года назад
You just have to smell that box to know!
@BigZebraCom
@BigZebraCom 3 года назад
@@CAThompson I guess that smelling the box would be enforcing a measurement on a quantum system thus forcing a single choice out of a litter box superposition state?
@frinoffrobis
@frinoffrobis 3 года назад
never clean for long.. in my house cleaning the box is an immediate trigger for using the box
@AndreasDelleske
@AndreasDelleske 3 года назад
@@frinoffrobis can you fake-clean it first?
@andsalomoni
@andsalomoni 3 года назад
@@frinoffrobis I know, I observed it myself! But you can re-clean it immediately, the cat will not be able to poop again much!
@heronvontremonia9975
@heronvontremonia9975 3 года назад
if schrödinger's cat is still alive, it's the oldest living cat i know :)
@carlosgaspar8447
@carlosgaspar8447 3 года назад
thinking outside the box.
@TM-vh1qg
@TM-vh1qg 3 года назад
@@carlosgaspar8447 r/whoosh
@antoniopena8101
@antoniopena8101 3 года назад
May be she is the egyptian God - Bastet.
@Think_Inc
@Think_Inc 3 года назад
@@carlosgaspar8447 Outside the box in which the cat is in.
@Jot_Pe
@Jot_Pe 3 года назад
This is only possible with Einstein's cat, travelling with a speed near of speed of light.
@jeromebarry1741
@jeromebarry1741 3 года назад
I'll have to watch again to understand why "spooky action at a distance", which is the quantum entanglement already proven, is possibly on the cutting room floor.
@TheAnalyticalFailure
@TheAnalyticalFailure 3 года назад
As for the question you ask at the end, my gut leans to 3 being false, 1 being probably true, and 2 being definitely true. That makes me think we need some outside the box questioning of 2, as that would be the place we would most likely be overlooking or misunderstanding something. It is hard to say without any formal background on the subject.
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