"Understanding" with Frank James |INFJ & INTJ 

Frank is wearing a tie to look more formal in front of INTJ LOL.

great to talk, Lindsay, thanks so much for having me on your channel 🙏

I can feel the nervousness of Frank by the movement of his chair😀

It's like watching a cat and a dog talk to each other

Frank: i feel i feel i feel Lindsay: i think i think the fact

With this virus stuff, as an INTJ, I feel like the rest of the world is being forced to be me. All the stuff they ignore and take for granted...all of a sudden they have to see it. And I feel like, "I told you so".

Show of hands... Anyone else hear the phrase "You're weird" your entire life? 🖐

What I really love about intj and infj is that they try to find the meaning of things , the aesthetic of everything also.

Ni-doms in a conversation: looks at everywhere else when talking, laser-focus attention when trying to listen Hahaha thanks for this! I'm slowly getting my type by your videos. This was fun 😁

Their different greetings at the end, please: INTJ: thank you... **doesn’t know what to say** **no feelings allowed** ...excellent answers. INFJ: oh, thank you so much this was fun, amazing, great, I hope to do it again, thank you again from the bottom of my heart, I love you...

Hahahaha Lindsay I love the way you call people “humans” and “species”. Like you’re observing them scientifically lol

Best type match! I'm INTJ my bestfriend is INFJ we can talk like 6 hrs non stop

I'm an INTJ married to an INFJ! We are best friends and still happily in love after 12 years. It's a beautiful match, highly recommend! Lol

What catches my eye is how she has her gaze fixed and Frank’s is roaming everywhere.

The Sage (INFJ) and the Strategist (INTJ) doing intellectual conversation. just like the benevolent headmaster Albus Dumbledore and the stern professor Severus Snape.

I like how Frank look down and sideways when talking as if he really trying to extract the most authentic answer from within his HEART. While Lindsey look up and side ways as If extracting the answer from high above, her BRAIN. I'm an INFJ, and I always wonder why I look everywhere when speaking but look dead into people eyes when they talking to me 😂

Just a few minutes in and the INTJ glare vs INFJ soul stare becomes very evident

wow interviewing the celebs now? Don't forget about us small folk

I find as an INTJ that no matter what I do I have to suppress myself for the sake of everyone around me, and that is my social burden.

I feel like my worlds are colliding!

The most valuable personality trait a person can have outside of type is Humility and Patience. If a person possesses these they can get along with anyone.

Why Frank isn't looking at you? Is he trying to hide or just afraid of an INTJ stare?

I never expected this gonna happen. Frank James ✊🏼

I find it interesting that INFJ's have this feeling of responsibility (17:08) to help others before focusing on themselves. Such an alien approach for me.

As an INFJ, I sorely miss my partner who is a extraordinary INTJ.

Your descriptions of your childhood trigger visual memories of mine. For example, at age 10 or 11 a friend of my mom's asked why I don't smile. I said something along the lines of, "If a funny joke or something isn't being made, then why should I?" She gave a look and didn't respond after that. Haha.

Lindsay, as INTJ myself, I can relate to what you said that when I'm around people, I spoke a different language because I did notice that they can never understand the real me. There are even times when I have to act that I don't know anything or even stupid so that people will be at ease with me. Growing up, I realized that most people are intimidated to be around us when we're showing our true selves as INTJs. I also watched some of Franco James' vids and my initial perception of him is he's very Ne in his videos that I wouldn't hesitate to type him as INFP. Now, that I look at it again, I realized that maybe those seemingly Ne scenes are just part of his Ni workflow in order to deliver the desired message.

I’ve actually noticed how Frank has a hard time getting the ISFP. I have one in my family and sure he is somewhat artistic, but he is not giving much thought to estethics in his personal life, like what he is wearing for example. He just likes the experience of the arts: He loves going to concerts, the theatre, the opera, he lives for travelling, and he wants to make his home an explosion of sensory awesomeness. But he does not try to explain art, he does not care about listenting to music outside of concerts or taking interest in theatre as a subject, he just loves to be in the moment of it. He also loves to eat out, just by himself, spending hours reading a paper at a café. He only hangs out with people when he can experience sensory together with them. The inferior Te makes it hard for him to take responsibility for things. He has asked me not to expect anything from him. He basically lives in the moment, going out in the world, enjoys it and then retreats to his bubble. He does not really take care of his surroundings, he wants a lovely home but he doesn’t really know how to get there. He just spontaneously buys a lot of fancy stuff he personally likes and put it in his home. The atmosphere of sensory is important to him and he loves to impress other people with his sensory stuff or bragging about concerts he has been to. I don’t know if this was helpful, it’s just a bunch of anectodes, but I guess my point is: ISFP’s are not stereotypical artists, but they enjoy the sensory experience of art like no other type. To me, an INFP, it all appears very superficial, I am more inclined to the intuitive appreciation of art and to understanding complex artistic expressions. I notice Frank sometimes mix ISFP’s and INFP’s up in his interpretation of us as ”artists”.

Look at how sparkly Lindsay's eyes got when he started talking about the way INFJs give right to the person that has a negative emotional reaction at something they did. You can tell when she is like "yeah I know this" and when she goes "oh i didn't know this" and it's adorable

Lindsay looks so well put together, it's almost like she was created on Sims 4 or some AI program. Great symmetry.

the INFJs close to my heart are so optimistic and feeling and put others above themselves to the point where the INTJ in me thinks they're naive. I'm so skeptical and sometimes cynical about others, my strong loyalty to my INFJs make me want to protect them at all cost.

Now you just need an intp.

INTJ here, I just want to add that I totally agree with Lijo when it comes to personality trait outside the mbti. I adore people who try to better themselves, not to be better than others, but to be better for their own self. It doesn't even have to be academic wise. Just something simple is fine, as long as you like it and can feel accomplished with it. We're all different and it's pointless to compare with each other, but I want people to be a better version of themselves. And I have no energy to force this to others lol, if you don't want to it's totally fine. It's your life.

The lighting makes Lindsay resemble an interplanetary space manager. "So, Frank, the Valles Marineris facility has seen a decrease in net outputs. Can you fill me in on what's going on there?" Frank: 👁👄👁 👔

Now this is something i did NOT expect to see lol. i have i feeling it will be an interesting watch.

Wow... Having to learn to speak a different language so you can communicate with everyone else, I feel that so deeply. There are very few places I can speak how I actually talk, not to mention people I can speak with who don't get offended by my natural candor. It's so hard and frustrating.

Lol... I just watched 2 “feelers” videos. The way they described INTJ’s was to say that we were really controlling and always trying to control other people or enjoy hurting people by making them feel stupid. They also made these assumptions that we were always in competition with one another over who is smartest. That couldn’t be further from the truth. It makes no sense. Why would I waste my time and energy trying to control or change anyone. That’s an impossibility. It’s difficult enough to try and get someone to try a new style of clothing, which I also have no interest in. I want to become smarter than myself. It makes no sense to waste time trying to become smarter than someone else. It’s understandable that there will always be someone smarter or better at something than us. Anyway, that was just my thought process in response to some of the stuff you guys were talking about.

"Do a video together talking about INTJ or INFJ related! You are both my favorite MBTI youtubers and I would love to see a collab💗" I literally commented this on a comment Frank James made on your INTJ stereotypes video with Dave Powers. I was so excited about this premiere and once again you both manufactured great content! Seriously, thank you for this.

This reminds me so much of the so far three days lasting voicemail chain I (INTJ) have with an INFJ friend. We started with one topic and the conversation just keeps evolving. We are talking for hours every day now and it's one of the best times I ever had in my life.

Honestly feel like I just woke up on Christmas morning. I was secretly hoping you guys would do a live chat! Reading the comments is making me stoked for when this premieres.

The chemistry 😍

the way he laughs is so infj

Thank you for the video, I enjoyed it so much! As an INFJ it feels like the INTJ is a super efficient version of the INFJ And the INFJ is a super warm and feely version of the INTJ. Love you both, thanks again 🙏

any one noticed. the intj was always making eye contact, not like the infj which he was trying to not look at the camera :)

"If I can come up with one thing that can explain anything else..." Ni explained before it was actually explained lol

@LiJo as a highschooler INTJ I always thought nobody understood me cause I was very different from everyone, but watching your videos made me realized I am not alone and people can understand me too. So thank you very much.

That INFJ stare.

Lindsay!! The talk about childhood Ni communication I can relate so much. Same with FJ as both of my parents are also STs. I could never communicate any idea to them in the abstract. As a child I was super independent and I think it was because I hated the feeling of being pulled down into the sensory to talk to people. I have learned how to communicate in that way but once I get blasting I revert to default Ni and them some people get very confused. Like FJ said, two people talking about the same thing with the same perspective and yet think that they're arguing. It can be frustrating. 😂

I wish I could just go up to someone and say "let's Ni together"

This was so cool. I could listen to a monthly podcast with these two for hours. Or a special quarantine podcast...or a birthday bash podcast...really any excuse for a podcast. Even if short-lived and inconsistently featured.

7:14 - Tell us about a time where you felt misunderstood Most INFJ - um, my whole life?

Real INTJs watched this with X2 speed so as to get from point A to B more quickly. 😅 I also simultaneously was studying Japanese vocab/Kanji, haha. A prime example of “Doesn’t everyone do things this way?” 😂

Why did I laugh out loud when he said “someone get ... killed” ?! 😂😂😂

An infj here! love how you talked about Ni so much and how it's so natural to us that it's weird to know not everybody thinks this way. also YES 100% the whole realization thing as a child, when you notice the other kids just aren't thinking on the same deep level and you have to find a way to communicate with them. i loved this collab, really cool to see first hand how infjs and intj's react to or think about things differently. i hope you guys do another video like this sometime in the future!

I’m an INFJ and I have 2 INTJ best friends.

Dopamine hit for you: an important part of any art form is hidden in 'not doing' the art form. Sketching? Leave white space (or don't sketch). Music? Drop a beat. Animation? Pause it (anticipation), I'm sure this extends to all art in some way. I was very pleased when this coalesced.

when fj said that he thinks that his parents are both st i was like "ooouuuuchhh poor fj"

Ahhh my two favs been wanting you guys to collab forever

Two of my favourite RU-vidrs talking on a topic I am interested in the most as an intj. Interesting to watch. Thanks for this collaboration.

BROO the part about looking to the future and having to drag around ppl who are stuck in the past is so true. I have a friend who I love but is incredibly stuck on a girl that was important to him in the past. As an INFJ I feel responsible for being his personal therapist and listening to him but I keep telling him that it’s over and done with and he’s changed and he knows he’s changed he’s better now and the girl is completely happy and fine now and just move forward (of course told him more gently). But he’s *EXACTLY* LIKE “nahh I wanna wallow more” LIKE MANN I know it’s important to him but he’s completely detached from that part of his life now move on and give urself a second chance.

I think I really like you, Lindsay.

one time i was talking to this guy and he was like “you just have no emotion don’t you” and i said yep that’s me 😂 me just hiding literally all of my emotions cause i barley knew him (i’m an INFJ btw)

I have a crush on both of them, this is a dream come true SIncerely, that ENTP

First of all, thanks for bringing Frank, we heart him. Whatever his videos are about, he's always interesting. Also, thank you for what you said about early attempts at communication with speech patterns or directions that didn't really fit in with the people surrounding you. I relate to that a lot. I couldn't have pinpointed it myself. Thought it was an experience only of mine, but now I realize that's naive. I'm glad to have this little valuable insight. To me, it's the meaningful cherry on top of a great video.

i learned the harder way: honesty is a weakness.

I really appreciate these types of discussions, you gave me the perfect phrasing for that abstract concept that’s always in the back of my mind. “I’m living in a more abstract [conceptual/theoretical] land [with endless possibilities], and feeling pulled down to the sensory [literal/objective] world where I have to interact with other humans and I could never really speak my own language with them.” This is my life. My whole life. Thank you for spitting out the words I can’t translate.

I loved the conversation! The segment when you guys talked about capturing a moment made me feel a sense of my existence in life at the present moment and the preciousness that comes with it. Despite if I can feel grounded or not the fact that i was there is enough to truly enjoy your current self and whatever sensory experience you're having in life right now. Thinking about the growth mindset and those who are stuck wow it brings an element of compassion and understanding to the life of that person and appreciation to our current society that is becoming open to understanding, not perfect, but as Frank said, people had it worse in the past.

They look like brother and sister, similar good looks. INFJ here.

Yay! So glad that you did a collaboration together. I've been watching both of your channels for a little while and thoroughly enjoyed this video. 😊

INFJ male here - frank your bit about honesty, trustworthiness, and open communication is amazing. I’ve been thinking these exact same things for a bit now. Wild

It's interesting how you both felt "dragged down" to the sensory world. I get it. I'm an INTJ and my Mom was an INFJ and we both used to talk about abstract stuff all the time. I remember once when I was a kid that I told her, "Mom, wouldn't it be cool if we were just big brains and we didn't have to deal with these bodies?" and she was like "Yes!". She understood. And it DOES feel like you are being dragged down to this other sensory world where everyone is so oblivious and ignorant. I know that sounds mean but it's how I've always felt. You feel that is bringing you down in more than one way. When I was 8 years old, I told my mother that I did not respect my stepmother's brain. I later figured out that my stepmom is an ESFJ. I thought she was stupid (she's not). But at 8, she seemed so unaware of things that were so obvious to me. Both my parents (mother and father) have Ni so my stepmom was the first sensor in my life. Dad was an ENTJ. My stepmom used to say "You are too much like your father" and she was NOT saying it as a compliment.

Frank, that was a sweet story, and I love how you said “the whatever you call it” for the building. I do this all the time, and I teach college students, I do it in front of them, and often say “oh c’mon you guys, help me!”. Not that frank is reading this, but perhaps a human, somewhere will relate. It is worth it for any single human who might connect for a second in time. Isn’t it? Isn’t it just about these spaces in between when all is said and done? I cannot help this. I get deep. INFJ

I find Frank's voice so soothing.

Y'all had just reminded me of this interesting thought while I was walking. I realized that math in school is just moving along a number line. Addition is forward, subtraction is backwards, multiplication is jumping forward and division is jumping back. I've been trying to get to the bottom of what understanding is and how can learn to better myself in that way.

Two of my favorite people - together! Yaaaas! Thank you😎😎

To my mind, quarantine times are perfect times for introverted intuitives, as we have to interact less with that draining outside world full of sensors now and can listen more often to other intuitives who share their language and their natural approach to things. Thank you loads for that treat!

An INFJ turned me on to all of this a few days ago. This is all so new and fascinating - Im overwhelmed and gushing but this stream is great - yall are great. Thank you.

He's so cute. I love his channel

Thank you so much, both of you. This has been such an enriching conversation of two highly sympathetic people. I learned a lot, I laughed a lot and definetly had fun thinking through your ideas and explanations. I was totally suprised by the "sudden" ending. :D Time was just flying by while I was listening to you. I would absolutely love a second episode of this!!

Frank trying to act normal is fascinating

Great production value. Love that highly lit/white vs black background. I appreciate your editing to move the story along, as well. Nicely done!

(1) want to be around people who want to grow also (2) & don’t want to change anyone (3) BUT people also sometimes need healing time Being able to differentiate is tough.

Thank you Lindsay and Frank. It was so lovely to watch. It's like a reflection of my conversations with my husband. We are an INFJ INTJ couple.

Great video Lindsay! Really enjoyed the interaction between you two!

1:28 INFPS have that too, we can connect stuff that have absolutely no connection. it comes naturally

Wow. I didn't expect this. This made my day!

I just found your page and watched a couple of your videos, and I think it helped give me more clarity that I was looking for! I keep questioning my type and I am constantly exploring the different options to try to figure myself out more, and I think I may have settled back to being INFJ.. But I also relate to a lot of the things you say and your mindset in general. One big difference that I noticed in this video is your auxiliary Te vs tertiary Ti.. You seem to be much more articulate and able to think and answer clearly on the spot, and this is a weakness for INFJs.. It has always frustrated me, and frustrated my ISTJ mom, that I am not able to explain my thoughts and ideas in a way that makes sense to most people. For this reason, I tend to just do things myself because I find it easier than explaining to someone what is actually going on in my brain.. I always say that my brain is like this giant black whole with a bunch of information that makes complete sense to me, but I wont be able to get it out in a timely manor and translate it in a way that will make sense to most people. I usually need a lot of time to self reflect, dissect, and process my thoughts, ideas, or feelings before I can explain it to anyone.. It sucks because I usually find the right thing to say much later, but at that point it's too late. I'm not sure if you do it so easily out of practice, or if this comes natural to you because of your Te. Anyhow, I am enjoying your content so far; it will help me to understand myself and depth psychology even more! :)

Now,there’s a treat for you Frank.

Random ENFJ here strolling along. I feel like I’m listening to another language lol. 😂😂😂 My sister’s an INTJ and loves this channel.

I hear that. Misunderstanding on ones Intentions, I've felt that a lot; really liked the ending! The last MBTI topic and the bird story! I love you Frank! You tried to save the bird, I love birds. 💜💙

This was sooooo much fun. (Note my attempt to demonstrate excitement.) As an INTJ / 5w6, my partner (an INFJ / 4w5) and I have enjoyed Frank's videos - even have got quite a few friends hooked on them as well. He portrays the both of us perfectly. I have watched your show, LiJo, and I love how you tend to look away when explaining something. HOWEVER, you tend to be quite a bit serious. Between our INTJ and INFJ, I find a nice balance. We navigate through the difficult times as a rather strong partnership. thank you.

I related so much to the part about self improvement. My past relationships ended because my exes were the type of people FJ mentioned, just existing throughout life. I had to leave them behind because it made me mad that they did not want to grow as people or achieve anything.

im watching this whole interaction and find myself thinking, “Gosh is this how i react to an INFJ? and is she thinking what im thinking about this guy?” LOL

I call it "Chasing my next epiphany". Always looking for the "how and why" behind the "what", so that I can make a complex subject simple. By understanding, I don't have to memorize all the sensory data in order to answer questions about a topic. On the flip side, through this process, simple philisophical quotes or song lyrics suddenly gain profound depth. This is often the trigger that helps me realize that i've chased the rabbit down the hole deep enough for that epiphany... when the dichotomy bridging simplicity and depth are interchangeably linked. Then, I find myself excitedly sharing this newly discovered "depth" from a simple quote/lyric to an audience of crickets...

I loved this! You and Frank James are great!

Omg my two favourite people. True happiness never felt better OMG

I am just glad this is happening😀

Love the questions! Particularly the one about valuable universal traits.

Nice collaboration! I follow both for both humour and insight keep growing!

I didnt know i needed this