The lone African Methodist pastor holding up his Bible and proclaiming the Bible is the inspired word of God. He stood against this. A modern John the Baptist. I just loved his courage and honesty and love for God’s word and His church. A true saint.
@user-xf6qb2cx6q That kind of thinking and resolve is the reason why you have the Methodist’s apostasy. The answer is not to leave the denomination, but to safeguard it against the schemes of Satan. Christians who escaped their denomination have caused this chaos to the UMC
“He should leave the Methodist church”. That kind of thinking and resolve is the reason why you have the Methodist’s apostasy. The answer is not to leave the denomination, but to safeguard it against the schemes of Satan. Christians who escaped their denomination have caused this chaos to the UMC
elijeremiah: 100% agree with you. Does scripture state that homosexuality is a sin? Yes. Does scripture state that adultery is a sin? Yes. All the sins are named in the Bible, without ANY ambivalence. Is repentance of our sins a condition of salvation? Yes. And what does repentence require? It requires that we admit to each of our sins, and promise to avoid those particular sins in the future. No where in scripture are we given permission to wilfully continue those sins. Any church body (denomination) giving permission to continue homosexual sin within the body of Christ, is heretical. Let's be clear: The issue is not human desires, it's human action. All the preaching about "love," or "tolerance," or "acceptance," by these heretical churches, is nothing more than an effort to increase church membership and appear virtuous. So what are our alternatives if our church is engaging in the enabling of sin? Make our best effort to reform the church, and if it's not happening, we must leave that church. To remain is consent, whether we admit it or not. We are called upon to help each be righteous, not asked to enable sin. Lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. The person we lie to the most, is ourselves.
@@clm3436Some of them may not know it, but that’s exactly what they’re doing. The works of John Money are more important to UMC now than the Word of God.
A big problem is they have the wrong view of Love. They think Love is tolerance, but they don’t understand that it involves discipline, punishment, sacrifice, and selflessness
If we truly love our neighbor, we would make sure they know God's truth. If we don't,they will end up in the eternal fire. Is it love to let people lose their souls 😢.
Does the Global Methodist accept members of the LGBTQ community into the congregation? If not, why not? Didn't Jesus say HE didn't come for the righteous, but to save sinners? What is the best way to save sinners? Introduce them to Christ in a non judgmental accepting manor. Then let Jesus help them "put off the old man and put on the new.
That's an interesting question. @daleparker741 Do you mean 'accept as you are'? Or 'love you too much to leave you there?' All sinners are welcome in true Jesus following churches, and God loves us all too much to leave us in our sinful mess!
@@jaqian a true Bible teaching church will change the people who go there. It should NEVER be the other way around. A requirement for any pastor/preacher is Leviticus 18. And they should practice what they preach. All the Bible needs to be taught, unapologetically. It is not our words, but God's.
I was raised in the Methodist church. I am devastated but not surprised. This is not the Methodist church in which I was raised. I am heartbroken. Thank you, Ali, for covering this tragedy.
I was raised in the UMC too. What the denomination is now is nothing like it was. Now, my husband and I are attending a church with loose ties to the SBC. Just very sad and disappointing.
@@lorifrancis8171 same here! I was baptized and raised in the United Methodist church. We are raising our children there. I'm a choir director and my husband is highly involved in the goings on at our church. But this just absolutely breaks our hearts. While our little country church is not embracing these practices, it is heartbreaking to know that it's coming down from the conference and who knows how it'll effect our little church. It makes me so sad!
@@robinbeige5903 I couldn't even imagine trying to raise children during this time. The former UMC church where my parents are members did vote to break away. My sister, brother in law, and their 4 kids were attending that same church, but are now part of the "great de-churching" unfortunately. I know other denominations, especially Episcopal, are having problems too.
My parents left the UMC after 30+ years because the congregation at their church largely wanted to resist the progressive ideology invading the UMC, but the church leadership proceeded against the wishes of the congregation.
And instead of staying and working for the unity that Christ prayed for and protecting the flock that is being led astray... many of those people and their communities decided to run away, forsaking the church of their forefathers to the synagogue of Satan Edit: props to those who remain to fight for the truth of God
@@jarrahe I admire anyone who fights for what is right in a church / denomination. (Or anywhere else, for that matter!) But after a certain point, when you've fought as long and as hard as you can, what other choice do you have? There can be no unity in the biblical sense with people who have knowingly, intentionally walked away from God's Word in this manner. At some point, you eventually have no choice but separate. It's very sad.
These liberal women pushed the conservatives out they do this to all institutions they get their hands on , churches, scouting, clubs like the moose lodge
We could see this coming and left our UMC over ten years ago. I was a life long Methodist and in my late 50s when we transferred to a Evangelical Presbyterian Church. Learned more biblical teaching is I the first two months than I had in my entire life as a Methodist. I have been born again, thank the Lord.
My wife has a relative who got saved out of the Congregational Church (UCC) and has a similar testimony. She learned more Bible in an independent Baptist Church for two years than 40+ years in the UCC. Unfortunately I still have family in that apostate group.
My dad was a traditional Methodist minister. Even 60 years ago, he predicted that this would all happen. He is no longer with us, but I think he would be so saddened to see the church that meant so much to him has crumbled.
Aaah, yes, the Protestants. Luther must be proud right now of his "children". 🙄 Dr. Frankenstein. Rock concerts, yoga classes and trans pastors.. Yep, yep, a text-book example of why Tradition was important.. and why Sola Scriptura is a terrible - terrible - idea.
@@goofygrandlouis6296 Horrible argumentation from the one who's Pope is winking at sin and blessing homosexual Unions... Many of us in fact most of us push back against progressive Christianity affirming stuff that's not Christian or biblical. Also while you're at it,show me where you get this idea that Mary the sinner is sinless or should be prayed to. Asking for a friend!
@@rauldelarosa2768 A blessing is not an actual marriage. Besides, the current Pope is a "woke pope" (jesuits from Latin America..) 🙄 Mary is not prayed TO, she's prayed VIA (just like any other saint)
@@goofygrandlouis6296 blessing sin is still endorsing sin. Your pope did that and he along with you will have to answer to God while you endorse such sinful actions. Also there's nothing in Scripture that tells me I need to pray to Mary The sinner. I can come boldly to Christ .
@@rauldelarosa2768 Yes it is. And I don't agree with it. As for Mary, you know the Protestants are the exception, NOT the rule. Sola Scriptura is a pure invention from some monk in Germany, 15 centuries down the road. Catholics, Orthodox, Cooptic, Armenian, ..All of the rest of Christianity rely on Tradition as much as Scripture.
At the Episcopal church I used to attend, they fully embraced this "alternative" lifestyle. The male preacher had a husband. At one of his sermons, he told us "he has to deal with his husband's cr*p, literally"....that's when I knew it was time to head for the door. Never went back and never will.
The Word of God is not affirmative, but transformative. Thank you speaking so eloquently on this topic, your speech is so thoughtful and precise, it sounds almost like pre-written poetry. God bless you!
I agree with you but I also see another angle - SIN does indeed identify a group - The LEFT - those goats that the King will put on His LEFT when He comes to take up His treasure.
Everyone has been given an identity from God being made in His image. God created male and female. We should reflect the image of God. When you've been made in God's image, you have the potential to reflect His qualities and character.
The western Methodist churches affirm this but not us in Africa. I'm a Methodist in the Gambia and we were told inorder to receive grants from them we have to align with their stance. We refused and rejected the grants and everything they have to offer. It's not just us It's the same for Ghana, Nigeria, Sierra Leon to name a few. It's not the denomination but the individual churches out there in the west that have such affirmations.
I pray God keeps your church and all churches like yours in the palm of His hand, and adds all Godly things to your churches for not folding on His truth for gain. Praise our Lord, in Jesus's name, Amen.
My sister is in a Methodist Church that is full old people and dying. They don't want to be part of the church if the Gays get to be pastors but they are all old and don't know where to go. Plus they have all financially given so much tot he building and they will loose everything they've invested in the building. I keep telling my sister get out now but she is stubborn.
My husband’s family is Methodist. There little church decided to break away from the big Methodist church. So they just continue to take care of their church and do what they need to do. I’m Catholic, so I don’t understand what that entails to break away, but that’s what they did.
@@emmaleebuzzard1023 in most denominations, it entails losing out on financial benefits. IE, money for new buildings, sponsorships for Missions abroad. Also, losing access to “employees” I guess you would say? Like, the Denomination seeking out a new pastor for you if yours wants to retire (or heaven forbid, becomes disqualified). Tough for smaller churches
....so, if scripture has drawn the line in the sand, why aren't they seeing it? The new offshoot has broken away, I'm sure they think they are interepreting the Scripture properly because they claim they are being led by the "spirit". They echo Martin Luther's words : " Unless I am convinced by the testimony of the Scriptures or by clear reason (for I do not trust either in the pope or in the councils alone, since it is well known that they have often erred and contradicted themselves), I am bound by the Scriptures I have quoted, and my conscience is captive to the Word of God.". I just hope that you as Protestants can se what is gong on here. They should be excomunicated from Christendom, because they are not Christian anymore. But how would they be excommunictaed? You have no authority to do that. They, on the other hand, will continue to call themselve Christian, and they will continue to confuse and mislead thousands of people.
@michaelfisher7170 You are so proud. You talk as if sexual abuse of children doesn't happen in Protestant churches, as if your pastors are all of them exempt from this sin. But leys take a real look, and let us scrutinize you the way the Catholic Church has been scrutinized, would you Protestants pass the test? No. You would not. Sexual abuse of children is just as much if not MORE SO in Protestant churches, the difference is that your little churches never get blasted fir it on the news. Your little churches don't keep records of everything that has happened in your church h for 50 years plus. We do, in the Catholic Church. In addition, your pastors not only sexually abuse children, but many murder their wives and commit all kinds of sexual sins. So get off of your perch and stop judging.
@michaelfisher7170 Recent studies have found that sexual abuse of children is just as prevalent in protesnt churches as it WAS in Catholicism. On top of that, your pastors also commit all kinds of sexual immoral sins. There's one in the news now of a pastor who murdered his wife, he's not the first one. Please stop being so proud and come with a way to eliminate sexual abuse of children in your own xhurch instead of pretending it's not happening there ,too.
It is NOTHING but sexualizing children. To (try to) make everyone introduce themselves by ADVERTISING THEIR SEXUALITY...what in the world??? Some may say "no! It's not about sexuality...it's just being able to love who you want"...uh, no. Let's say you are a gay woman...who you LOVE is not the same as WHO YOU SHARE A SEXUAL BED WITH. I am straight...and I love plenty of other females...my daughter, my mother, my close female friends...but I do not have to DECLARE MY LOVE FOR THESE PEOPLE EVERY TIME I INTRODUCE MYSELF. So why must they insinuate right off the bat WHO THEY PREFER TO SLEEP WITH?? That is confusing for children. Why? Because the children ask...what is gay? What does it mean? And you have to explain to them...they love another woman/man, whatever...but it's NOT JUST THAT THEY LOVE THEM...after all, straight people love other people who they are not sleeping with. So then the children figure out quickly that there is something else...a different meaning of "love"...so then you have to explain what they mean by "love". NO! I'm not doing that. This is about erasing children's innocence for these crazy people's sins.
My kids are grown now but I used to tell them that gay people were when two men or two women are trying to have a relationship like a boyfriend and girlfriend or a husband and wife had and that God told us not to do that but these people don’t understand. I left it at that. No sex talk. Then, when they were older and we did have the sex talk, I didn’t have to explain the particulars of gay sex because they got the general idea and asked me. I just had to confirm.
@@Micah-6.8 I understand completely that you don't have to go into graphic detail to explain anything to children. Even heterosexuality is not explained to children until they are old and mature enough to understand, and even then you don't need to elaborate. Believe it or not, people figure out how it all works even if no one explains it, lol...and of course a wise parent will guide them in understanding the sacredness of the act, the necessity of marriage, etc...but I don't understand who ever thought is was OK to state WHO YOU HAVE SEX WITH as you introduce yourself to strangers ..."I'm a trans gay woman,"...or some such nonsense. I don't feel the need to put in a tidbit about my sex life when talking to strangers BUT THESE WEIRDOS DO!
I used to teach children and help with the kids choir at my local methodist church but for the sake of my own children we left and joined a SBC church. It's really a shame.
I can't go to an SBC church, either. I am a theological conservative. But my problem with most conservative churches in America is that they have bowed the knee to political conservatism and hyper-individualism the same way the liberal churches have bowed the knee to political progressivism and socialism. Politics OWNS our churches today. It is a golden calf that American Christians worship. And we use it to divide us into camps that we seek to destroy at all costs. I hate this idol. And I hate that it is more important than anything to us. POLITICS IS NOT OUR PURPOSE IN LIFE!!!
The Bible’s very clear we are to separate from the world and be a peculiar people.The biggest clue that these churches were going the wrong direction was allowing Women Preachers that’s not Biblical God never called a woman to lead a Church case closed.
The Bible is very clear about the grace of Christ and His Word provides hundreds of verses to back up the truth of God yet so many christians look to self and are taught by religion and the doctrine of mankind to depend on self for having salvation instead Jesus/God Himself, which the truth is that by His grace alone is mankind saved. All religions have fallen short of the glory of God and so many folks are not what God gave for them to be in which is His grace.
My grandmother was a devout Methodist member and couldn’t bring herself to speak about the issue because it saddened her so much. When a church divides it’s so terribly sad.
I am a Methodist pastor's daughter, now a Catholic convert. I will always have fond memories and appreciation of where I come from, but I can't say I'm surprised. Christians of all stripes HAVE to get a cohesive theology of the body and pro life ethic. Straight people have been blowing up the sanctity of marriage and sexuality for decades.
It does not matter what religion a person is in because what matters is the true saving grace of God and Jesus being the true saving grace, believing is what matters. All religions have fallen short of what God intended for religion to be and every church sets its own doctrines, regardless of the religion. As you state so about the methodist religion, same can be applied to the catholic religion and honestly there are far worse doctrines in the catholic religion than others. I do not say this to condone any religion above another because all religions are fallen in some ways, sort of fashion and God is not please with the way mankind has taking it upon itself the man-made traditions and doctrines that it has and calling another religion at fault yet being in the same cup of fault in a different subject. The best thing a person can do for self is to step out of the religion mindset and step into the embrace of the truth Word of God the Bible and foremost believe God and ask Him for His wisdom and being the way maker that mankind religion would be the last thing on the mind. Anyhow, please know am not judging in any way, simply stating what was on my heart to profess and do what you will with it but may God Himself be the way maker for you and your loved ones, in Jesus name, Amen. 🤍🕊️🤍
Christians don't own marriage and you have a cheek as a catholic to even mention sexuality. Get that plank out of your own eye first. Turn over your documentation on child abusing priests to the proper authorities.
@@John_Lete how do you figure that us Catholics do so much wrong but we have never wavered on all the issues that matter. No women’s ordination, no gay marriage, no abortion, no euthanasia. Every Protestant denomination is off in left field one way or another, but not us. Thanks be to God that I’m a Catholic.
It is catholic pope who allow homosexually marriage and I believe it is is the so called catholic church officially spreading the act of homosexuality than in any other church. Also i believe that the acts of homosexuality is everywhere in everywhere church in the world. But catholic church share the the most.
Sadly @AllieBethStuckey, this episode just barely scratches the surface of what happened, why it happened, why so many left, why so many didn’t leave and what no one in the press is privy to. You should really interview Keith Boyette or Rob Renfroe (who lives not far from you). They can go way deeper and tell you how truly evil, in my opinion, this General Conference was. The unbelievable hypocrisy of these liberal UM’s towards their African brothers and sisters is just appalling, disgusting and unchristian. As a former UM who helped lead their local church out of the denomination, I could tell you some things but I’m no authority or anything like that. It would make you sick to know what was happening behind the scenes at the UMC General Conference. It’s so sad. Heartbreaking. So glad my church got out when it did. Some had to sue in order to leave. So sad. Thank you for bringing some of this to light though. You’re an awesome woman of God. God Bless!
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. My mom's started going to church again in the past few years unfortunately to UMC. I'd love if Allie could talk to these guys if it helped her see
I am a UMC Sunday School teacher. I am a theological conservative (and a Navy veteran). I have debated leaving our church for a few years now. But the only reason I am even at this church is because I was made unwelcome at the Baptist church I formerly attended because I would not make conservative politics my life priority. Most conservative churches in America have bowed the knee to political conservatism and hyper-individualist philosophy (Objectivism, etc.) the same way the liberal churches have bowed the knee to political progressivism and socialist philosophy (Marxism, etc.) Both approaches are utterly unbiblical. Politics OWNS our churches today. It is a golden calf that American Christians worship. And we use it to divide us into camps that we seek to destroy at all costs. I hate this idol. And I hate that it is more important than anything to us. I will not bow my knee to either Old Glory or the Rainbow flag. POLITICS IS NOT OUR PURPOSE IN LIFE!!!
@@redink71Thank you? Popes come and go, good and bad, they’re all human. But dogma is unchangedable and the Catholic Church will endure always faithful to our Lord until His Second Coming.
@@jamestrotter3162 Thumbs down because it is sad, not because there’s any disagreement with your statement, you are correct as their lack of faith follows with the Bible teaching.
My dear brothers and sisters from United Methodist...WHY? Note: I am a Catholic Christian. I am not a member of the Methodist church, but felt compelled to ask my above question to you. WHY? Why are you doing this? What do you believe you're gaining by accepting these modern day idealogies into your practices?
We got some shady shit going on in our church too. Vague “blessings for people in irregular unions” “deaconesses” rolling out soon, creeps in high up roles of power and good holy men getting the boot. We all need to pray!
Also I love the phrasing “I’m a Catholic Christian” I’m gonna be borrowing that. I hate when I get posed the question: “are you Christian or are you Catholic” (I literally got disinvited to a friends church after I answered her question “I’m Catholic” - she said “oh then you won’t want to come to my Christian church. Never mind” like what??)
Unlike Trent horn I was raised with no religion. About 35 or so I ended up in the church of Christ. Least they held to the Bible. But like Trent. I'm a Catholic convert. And like him orthodox, but not necessarily Rad trad This thing with a methodist church is very sad. They are throwing out scripture. As the Episcopal Church did when I was part of it. There seems to be a move within all churches. 2 accept perversion. It is called Cowardice. I don't know what else to call it. It is people too afraid to stand for the truth Scriptures, say there will come a time when the love of many will grow cold. I believe we are at that point. But I'll say one thing, Christians of all denominations better wake up. Instead of condemning one another to hell as it was when I was in the church of Christ. And stand against what's going on in our society. We are now living in a post Christian era, and if we don't wake up, there will be no Christians left.
This is why God is not with any religion because all religions have become nothing more than a building with the name of God stuck on it yet on the inside so many souls are lost because they know not the grace of Christ. Sin is sin and regardless of the sin, small or great, it is sin in the sight of God and the only way a person is washed clean, it is by the grace of Jesus whom is God. Holy Spirit is stuck in the back pocket by many so called christians and thus it is why so many have no growth in their walk with Christ and at the same time have no true understanding of the saving grace of God which actually saves.
The problem before cowardice is they just believe in Christ or the need for his sacrifice. If they believed, they would have faith and understanding which would help them to stand firm.
@@ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800 Well if people aren't getting born again and don't think that Christ's blood atonement and resurrection is what saved us and think they are going to somehow earn their way, there will continue to be division. This is why I've never belonged to a denomination; traditions are held in the same esteem or even above Christ. A lot of traditions in churches have become idols to those churches. It doesn’t help that we are living in the time of apostasy. Finding a church that isn’t blasphemous, lukewarm, or heretical is quite difficult. The gospel is actually very simple, but man has tried it’s best to make it extremely difficult. When we are born again we are a new creation.
It's sad because a lot of us who attend UMC are not for this! Unfortunately, the clergy that were present were more liberal and a vote wasn't even discussed. It just went through like it was nothing. It would not have passed if the African countries were represented, but from what I've read, many of the African clergy could not obtain a Visa to attend the conference. I was born and raised in the UMC. A small little country church that I've always been highly involved in. At this point, we are trying to hold on as we are not practicing what was just passed.....yet. However, I don't know what it holds for our little church and if we'll be staying.
I maintain that the majority of the people in the pews are conservative/traditional and do not support this. Unfortunately, the delegates' votes are not representative of the people in the pews. I was heartbroken at the disgraceful treatment of the African delegates, both in how the ones who were able to be there were treated and in the late invitation letters that didn't give 25-30% of them a chance to get their visas.
Methodist here. My family and I left the United Methodist Church (UMC) years ago and joined the Global Methodist Church (GMC). The Global Methodist Church is a Methodist denomination within Protestant Christianity subscribing to views that were propounded by the conservative Confessing Movement. I think in large part the reason the UMC is becoming so far left and woke is because conservatives like myself left the UMC. This should be a warning to others - try to reform before departing, otherwise what you leave behind for others will become far worse. We left because we saw no path to change.
"Having a hope in God that there shall certainly be a resurrection of the righteous and the wicked (16) I do my best to maintain a blameless conscience before God and men." Acts 24:15,16
I am Roman Catholic and I watch all your videos, there were few UMC around here that they had the lg.... flag, suddenly they removed that flag and change their name. Now it makes sense why.
@@ciscotx74 I used to attend Novus Ordo, now is like protestant mas but with our Blessed Virgin Mary present, after attending Bible study in different churches, Traditional Latin Mass is the one keeps the most traditions our Lord Jesus Christ left for us, as the most important, the Eucharist , so much respect and veneration receving
its nor that conservative. They still suffer women to preach. which is what started this whole mess. Once the alphabet people destroy the UMC ( give it 5 years) they will move to the GMC. I don't think they tighten up enough to make it clear they are nor nor ever will be welcome. If they don't they will be invaded again. Satan is relentless.
I am a Life long Methodist that’s been feeling disconnected for the past 8 years. It’s only bc of my husband that I still go. I’ve become part of an online community of a CA church that’s help disciple and spiritually nourish me.
Spencer Smith, is that you? 😅😅😅😅 "we were never in Rome to begin with we go back thousands of years blah blah blah" You can say you are not protestant. But newsflash, you are.
Baptists are most definitely protestant. Any western christian church that is separate from the Roman Catholic Church and follows the principles of the Reformation such as Sola Scriptura is a protestant
@@777igg The Baptist Church is just another offshoot of the protestant reformation. The commenter above who tried to deny this belongs to a small view among baptists, that they magically existed since the time of the Apostles. Which there doesn't seem to be any historical evidence of this at all.
You are Protestant, but that’s not a bad thing, so there is no reason to deny it. Any denomination that was spun off of the Catholic Church is, by definition, Protestant.
Loved every bit of this, the verbiage you used was so spot on and intentional. This video is 100% the reason why we currently have 3% of the 65-75% population of Christians admitting to a Biblical Worldview. Who is on your throne: the Creator or self? A Biblical worldview makes the road super narrow, but it does bring true freedom. 🙌🏻
Hi Alley, I respect your standing up for our Christian faith in this crazy time. I am a 67-year Christian, saved at 33. This is such an important show. Im wondering why you feel you have to mention outfits at the Met gala? I really think most people really dont care. Do YOU really care? Please don't do it just to try to be relevant. You should know that we could go to NBC or ABC or NPR if we wanted to hear about that. Suggestion: Find fun things happening in the community, heart-warming stuff that fits so much better on your show. Thanks for listening!
I enjoyed the discussion with Trent Horn. I can see that we all genuinely love Jesus Christ and are doing our best to follow Him faithfully. I'm Catholic and believe that we can learn a great deal from our Protestant brothers and sisters in loving scripture so deeply. Although Catholics tend to know the content of the bible very well, we often can't cite passages like our Christian siblings can.
My old pastor Rev.Bob Ducan and my Uncle Rev. Fred Martin are rolling over in their Graves. I left the Methodist church yrs ago because I saw them not living what they were preaching. I pray for all of them to turn back to God's truth and word. Love and prayers to you all
Them saying “adult” really weirds me out… what else would they be? Why do these grown people need to announce they’re an adult… they say this as if you can identify as a different age…this is really concerning 😬
I grew up in the United Methodist Church. I was confirmed when I was 12. I left that church because I saw no love in most of the congregation. My Dad was on the administrative Board and he was always talking about how petty the other board members were. I was a certified lay minister as well. To say that I am disgusted by this turn of events is a gross understatement... but truthfully I am not surprised. Many of the mainstream "Christian" denominations are apostate in varying degrees. But that is like being "just a little bit pregnant". The fruit tells the story. And it is distressing. The lack of love and compassion is horrifying. The pharisaical self righteousness and condemnation is so very prominent in many of these congregations. BUT... it seems that they have no discernment either. And they fall into a pit that come from not being able to discern that loving others does not mean condoning their sin. You can love and have compassion for hurting people without condoning their behavior. I treat everyone with dignity and respect. I am fully aware that I am a sinner and that "but the grace of God there goeth I" so I do not condemn anyone. That is for God alone. But I will not condone sin. If the sin is exposed then it has to be a part of the equation. You do not just accept detrimental behaviors. They may believe that it doesn't hurt anyone but that is a clever deception by the Adversary. A good parent does not condone bad behavior but they also do not shun their child and berate them mercilessly. In some case the child doesn't know why what they did is so wrong. They lack the ability to sort through the ramifications and ripple effects of their actions. This is true with people in persistent sin. They are blinded by their desires as to why it is harmful to them and others. I have known many homosexuals ( they aren't gay or lesbian... they are homosexual...period ) and under the veneer of outward contentment they are miserable. Some of the most broken people I have ever known were in that boat. And sadly they lash out at others for "judging" them when the true judgement lies within them. They know deep down something is wrong but they feel helpless to do anything about it. This is the secret harm of these behaviors. People who think they should have been born the opposite sex are not healthy. It is wrong to ignore the symptoms of any sickness. If you have a disability that may develop into something life threatening, you do not hide it just because "people may talk". You seek treatment. I am sorry but the "trans" movement is a mental health issue. And nothing we do will help it until the illness is recognized and addressed. The UMC has fallen in the pit by condoning a detrimental behavior. If someone that identifies as LGBTQ attends your church service you should treat them with dignity and respect. You should not shun them at all. BUT you must not affirm their behavior either. If a junkie wanders in off the street it would be the same thing. Love, compassion, dignity and respect but you DO NOT affirm their drug use! You show them a better way. You rely on the transformative power of the Almighty King of the Universe to help you HELP THEM. God can do ANYTHING. Our faith is the limitation not His power. Shame on the congregations of the UMC for letting this come to this point. The saltiness has gone from your faith. God can forgive anything. I beg you to rexamine your choices and lay them at the foot of the cross. The demnination may be dead but you are redeemable until the moment of death.
Our church voted unanimously to withdraw from the UMC last October. We have to pay the exit fee by May 31. I'm glad we will be officially out very soon.
Beth, as a Catholic, I want to sincerely thank you for the insightful interview you conducted with Trent Horn. It was academically rigorous and highly respectful. Please continue having more conversations like this with other thoughtful Catholics.
Your debate yesterday helped me decide what church I should go to! I’ve found God recently and have been wrestling with Catholicism vs Non denominational and your video yesterday helped me realize the Catholic Church is not for me
I was raised a Methodist and was very active until about 5 years ago. That was about the time the indoctrination of affirming LGBTQ+ became a big push. There were clergy who had taken vows and then when they became pastors or bishops, they openly denounced those vows. And instead of removing them, which was in the Book of Discipline, the LGBTQ+ refused to go and the conference bowed down because they didn't want that negative press. So now it's been taken over. It's heartbreaking that they have purposely split the church in order to blend onto the world vs God's Word.
I was raised in The Methodist church and left right after Covid. I am very saddened by this. It is not the same church. I believe what is in the Bible. I am now going to a reformed church.
There was a street preacher preaching outside this convention, rebuking them for their sin. He saw several men in skirts/dresses going in to this conference. Also, where we're from, the Methodist church has literally locked the doors/changed the locks or whatever to pastors and congregations that will not go along with their "acceptance". They have had to find new buildings and start over.
2 Timothy 4:2-4 KJV Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. [3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Went through this in the Episcopal church and unfortunately it is on life support as a result. After a long journey, my husband and I and our children joined the Orthodox Church this year. Such a breath of fresh air to be on solid foundation.
Always love your videos & Christian point of view, Allie. I'm kinda a fan myself even though I haven't watched many of your episodes but your videos are always encouraging. Never stop telling others why we need God in our lives.
Yep we left mid 2020 because the specific church we were apart of we knew were leaning this way and we were like nope we cannot stay where they are changing what the bible clearly stands against.
Recently went to my wife's grandparents United Methodist Center in Bristol. We had been there 4 or 5 years ago and it was alive and joyful. This time, at Easter, they had a man dressed as a woman leading worship and the woman leading the service kept trying to get the attendees to be excited about Easter but it was as if a demonic spirit had lulled them to sleep. It was truly saddening.
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I was raised in a united Methodist church. My home church broke away from the United Methodists in the recent split. It breaks my heart that there is so much sin and turmoil in my home church denomination even though I have gone to a Baptist church for years.
i am glad to be an Orthodox Christian. this is what happens when you ignore church history and oral tradition. i do not know what Protestants expect to happen to their churches other than this. may God have mercy on us all
It was an edifying dignified discussion which was respectful between yourself and Trent. I especially liked the fact that Trent was considerate towards you being a seasoned apologist. This is from me a devout Catholic.
I was raised in the Methodist Church, both of my parents were Methodist ministers. Yes they have had women pastors since the 1950’s. In all of my years there I was never taught about salvation. As an adult I was invited to a Southern Baptist church and learned about the true God of the Bible. I was baptized in 2003 and I am so thankful that I learned the truth. I will continue to pray for the Methodist Church.
My mom is a retired UMC pastor. Are your parents living? My mom says she had to vote to stay UMC, and continue her membership, otherwise she would lose her pension. I wonder if that is accurate or if she does not understand.
So nice to listen to someone who loves the Lord and knows the Bible and does not try to twist what the Lord says and tells the truth even if it is not what people want to hear.
I grew up in a United Methodist Church. Now attend a Non-denominational church. I just looked on Google to see what the Methodist Church did about the change in allowing gay people to preach. I was so happy to see they are called Global Methodist now!!
It’s a shame what had happened in the Methodist Church. I feel badly for the ones that are against this “modernization.” I was laughing so much at your outfit assessments from the Met Gala! I did like the last one but that’s about it! Still fun to watch.
I have observed that some of the strongest protestant leaders have become Catholic, and weak Catholics become protestant.. I am a life-long Catholic, love my faith in Christ, love Mary because she is Jesus' Holy Mother. As a mother, I am so sad how many treat her with such disrespect. How hurtful it must be to Christ as well, and God - who chose her must have justified anger toward those who snub her or disrespect her. She takes nothing away from Christ, she was the model of humility. Protestants have a lot to learn, but that is okay, we respect you. We have our own issues with lax Catholics that for some reason failed to recognize the gift of the faith they were given. One thing for sure, we should all live in peace and pray to always be guided by the Holy Spirit in Truth.
@@janglalgoupiak1891 mediatrix is a title. That does not constitute worship. We understand that grace does not originate from her. Mary is a creature. She is nothing next to God.
It is catholic pope who allow homosexually marriage and I believe it is is the so called catholic church officially spreading the act of homosexuality than in any other church. Also i believe that the acts of homosexuality is everywhere in everywhere church in the world. But catholic church share the the most.
I left the UMC in 2021 because I didn't want to worship in a church that would choose to ignore parts of the Bible so it can appeal to a changing culture. I didn't leave the church, they left me.
Very well said and presented. The worlds definition of unconditional love differs from Christ's. Unconditional love is love no matter what, HOWEVER, it does not include moral consequence of sin as it is mutually exclusive. Moral consequence on the family and society. Gods plan is not capatible those that steers love away from the family unit instituted by God through Adam and Eve though he aches for their sin with unconditional love. He loves them despite the sin but his law and plan is uncompromising. As a member of the LDS church, I'm so glad that the church clarified it's policy that those who declare or surgically change away from sex at birth cannot have influence over children with responsibilities as a teacher or leader of any kind. God's plan is based on law that is unchanging and man cannot change it, just accept or reject it. Some may say that this is oppressive but it's really about protecting the children from the doctrines of the Adversary.
As it is with the catholic religion...all religions are in the same boat...even though some religions at least proclaim the truth of Christ yet the man-made doctrines and traditions end up taking over, as it has been the case with so many religions and the catholic religion is included and one of the worst ones that lable Jesus as a mere man instead of the truth which is that Jesus is God and Saviour and Holy Spirit all in One, all at the same time and that is the truth of God.
It is catholic pope who allow homosexually marriage and I believe it is is the so called catholic church officially spreading the act of homosexuality than in any other church. Also i believe that the acts of homosexuality is everywhere in everywhere church in the world. But catholic church share the the most.
The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God’s church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil. - 1 Timothy 3:1-7 Allowing women to exercise authority over men in the church is the reason any denomination falls into this pit. Breaking with scripture will lead to all manner of sin.
What does it say about a church when it changes what was immoral before to what is now moral? Does morality change over time? Did they get it wrong the first time? If they did, what else did they get wrong?
First of all, the Bible is not "just a book." Second, it's not like this issue is in any way unclear, where Christians of sincere and genuine faith in Christ can come to different conclusions. When it comes to God's design for human sexuality, the Bible is clear from Genesis (Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.) to Revelation (Revelation 22:15 - Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.)!
I was raised in the Methodist church. When I was around 10 years old, the church split into traditional and “United” Methodist. My father always had us read a lot…newspapers, magazines and books so we would be able to carry on with intelligent conversation. At the age of 16, I read a small newspaper article about a “United” Methodist church in San Francisco (shocker) that had ordained a gay minister…in the mid-1970s. I wasn’t even saved yet and I knew that was wrong, and I left the Methodist denomination altogether. A family member is a “United” Methodist minister and he is hardcore FOR this abomination and has been an activist for this, and many other leftist ridiculousness for decades. He doesn’t believe the entire Bible is the inerrant word of God, but instead picks and chooses out of context verses to “prove” his points. I’ve told him that he is held to a higher standard and by leading many astray by his misguided sense of “tolerance,” “charity,” etc. he is mocking God. It’s so incredibly sad.
I love God I love Jesus I love God’s word but this incredible division within the Protestant churches is super concerning. I don’t know who to fellowship with. I’m not deconstructing in my biblically based faith but I am on church it’s horrible to say but we suck as a bride of Christ I’m not a Catholic but they seem to be far more together than the Protestant 😢
You’d think that from the outside. But having been a Protestant converted Catholic, then reverted back to Protestant, I can say the Catholic world is divided too. There’s lots of infighting and fractured communities within the Catholic umbrella as well. Unfortunately Satan is at work in ALL churches and loves sowing disunity among the flock. Hence why finding a strong Bible believing and teaching church is important. If you’ve ever attended any of the Protestant churches that do NOT hold to strong scripture teaching, you’ll find a lot of “social gospel” with verses cherry picked out of context to support whatever topic they’re discussing and pushing. Finding an expository teaching church where they go verse by verse in context gives a much better scope of the Bible and its meaning. The Bible is about God and His nature and love for us. Trying to use it to prop up selfish motives of living your best life now will always fall short to a proper hermeneutic of scripture.
@@sarahsunshine78 The great thing about Protestant Churches is that we are bound by Scripture alone as the final authority. If Pastor X says homosexuality is a noble thing, he will only be met with laughter as our allegiance is to the Word of God and not a human being.
I've been studying history for the last 2 years and I am now beginning to come to the realization that today's Christianity and the "Protestant Reformation" was only able to survive because of what happened in England in the 16th century. England's entry into the Reformation was an accident (not theologically motivated) and only a result of King Henry's infatuation with Anne Boleyn (gee, a sexual desire motivator- how ironic to today's UMC issue). The reformation in Germany was wild and indeterminate in character also (Martin Bucer married a married man and Luther was o.k. with the polygamy because it was politically motivated). Thus, if the Reformation didn't politically take hold in England (seizure of Catholic properties and monies), it would have most likely died down, even in Germany. The conduit of Protestantism to survive was England which lead to the transplanting of sects to the Americas (think Puritans, Quakers, and even Methodists) where they had freedom to flourish... but the same thing (today's Religious relativism) happened in the American Colonies and sects formed and split into new colonies and westward, of which, carried over into the "free love" age ... think Unitarians and Transcendentalism of the 1820s and then socialism reared its ugly head int he 1830s. Crazy what I have found out. I look around at all the Churches on every corner and even in barns, and hearing people preach on tv, on social media, etc... all 'their' interpretations of the Bible and what Christianity should be and is- every sect has an issue with doctrine and different views and practices of it, etc... I can't find Sola Scriptura or Sola Fida in the Bible like I've been taught... I'm beginning to think, just by reason alone, the liberalism and subjectivity of Protestantism has failed the Reformation and contradicts conservatism, logic, the natural and supernatural order of things... and thus "we are reaping what we sow." I don't know, I'm lost.. it appears the Devil is using this movement to sow chaos within the Church. I know the Catholic Church has its problems, but wow, we have been, and are still today, 500 years later, still "all over the place" and always splitting up, side stepping, inventing, etc... only agreeing on one thing- that the Catholic Church is wrong on everything. It seems untenable at this juncture, because the old Protestants of the 1500s would never agree with what's going on today... no way, I don't read it. Pray for me and discernment (can I even say that? Some would say no, some would say yes, but only if you are righteous, etc...)
They’re going to abandon the creeds, the beliefs, the foundation, the particulars- BUT they’re going to make sure to keep the rights to the denomination. Just out of pure, evil spite. These people are abundantly wicked, I don’t believe for a second that this isn’t a bad faith (no pun intended) “burn the house down” tactic.
As an elderly, married, gay Christian United Methodist I found this video very hurtful. What if you were LGBTQ+. Would you feel the same way? Being gay is not a choice. Selecting parts of Scripture to buttress your beliefs while ignoring other parts is a choice. Why would God create me Gay, and then refer to me as an abomination?
Unfortunately, this is in the DNA of not just the UMC but in all of Protestantism. The Gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church Jesus founded - that is the Catholic Church making fishers of men since 33AD - come home to His Church. Pax et Bonum!
You changed my mind on IVF & surrogacy for sure! Thank you! Also, I always enjoy your commentaries on the celebrity outfits. 😂 It's nice to have a few light-hearted segments and since I don't pay attention to celebrities otherwise, it helps keep me up to date a little in this crazy world.
