United Methodist Church Faces Schism Over LGBTQ Inclusion | The Week 

We are all sinners but as I remember a man a namedJesus asked that we repent. Only by his grace are we saved.

I pray that Rev. Hamilton will advocate that the Traditionalist/Conservative churches can separate without having to fight in court for their assets ... that he will support an amicable separation (the Protocol for Separation).

This is just absolutely sickening to listen to an ordained UMC Minister say these things and that an MSNBC commentator would kowtow to this sort of drivel. “The time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear” (2 Timothy 4:3)

hard left ruins everything

Time to become a Southern Baptist

Also, the departure is not primarily from the "conservatives". The departure is from Rev. Hamilton and those who seek to break with the historic teaching of the Unitied Methodist Church.

"Pastor" Hamilton doesn't care about truth and the Truth any longer. This is so sad. Jesus doesn't forgive us of our sins so that we can wallow in them and just stay in the mud. Once you are saved, you are to go and sin no more. It's really clear. Don't listen to this wolf in sheep's clothing "pastor".

So “bronze age” people had different sins? It’s not about welcoming people it’s about encouraging people to live a holy life. This preacher is failing in his calling.

Ironically this is what the bible predicted would happen.

I'm glad this church leader is not a math's teacher.

God does not change Roman's chp 1

Astonishing how brilliance and understanding has suddenly emerged over last 20 years when, for thousands of years, our forbearers languished in ignorance. We understand justice . . . they didn't. We understand mercy . . . they didn't. We understand sex . . . and how . . . and they never did. How temporally lovely it must be to rest in confident self-righteousness.

This is a trustworthy saying: If anyone aspires to be an overseer, he desires a noble task. 2An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not dependent on wine, not violent but gentle, peaceable, and free of the love of money.…

You can make up the rules as you go along but you will not be happy where you end up

All I want is a church that still believes in the word of God. It's just that simple.

For those who haven’t noticed, for the last 60 years this country has been headed in a direction of social decline in morals and mores evident in entertainment, schools, government, and social discourse in general. We would do well to remember we live in a fallen world. The founding fathers knew this and attempted to establish a country founded on Biblical principles. Those principles will never change….but the people will….and have.

Our small Methodist Church where I was raised, raised my daughter and still attend with her somewhat regularly gives me a sense of a second extended family that I'm as close to as my own family voted on this issue. Split was so close but they voted to remain traditional by a tiny margin. My 80 year old father explained it best I believe...he earned his doctorate and masters in Educational Leadership and was a professor and chair of the local University department for 50 years. He stuck to practical logic and removed the emotional element, fervent beliefs, dogma from the equation, he said. "We (Methodists) must be willing to adjust to societal changes, progress and be open to inclusion of all people, their ideas, ideals and lifestyles who wish to worship. If we reject progress and remain intolerant of others especially, the younger generations we not only dishonor Christ but we will destroy our own church hurting our denomination. The churches that refuse to change will 100% crumble and die along with it's old intoletable members of congregations set in their ways. We must break away from this notion of intolerance and open up to inclusion of all people, their ideas, alternative lifestyle thats no longer alernative in this day and age. We must open pur doors, invite, do outreach to invite and welcome others, LGBTQ, younger generations who worship Christ or may be interested in Christ's teachings and pray for them to join us in worship and allow others to teach us and learn. The old timers or closeminded bigots refusing to change would soon just have the church die along with them rather than entertain the thought of something different. And if that's not the most immoral, sinful act by so called Christians, I don't know what is. It's more likely than not that The Methodist Church (along with other denominations) will die if it does not decide to keep up with change, modernize alonside pace of society and be open to progressive beliefs no matter how uncomfortable it may be at first." I thought that was the most simple and compelling statement about the issue but he now chooses to spend him Sundays mornings at home enjoying his new retirement. Id say the only exception to the threat of churches declining that remain set in their old ways is the Catholic Church due to their sheer power and existence throughout the world. The Catholics intolerance is probably by far the most extreme but they do a ton good works and outreach for the less fortunate and the poor. So i won't get started on them today.

Trying to be everything to everybody, you end up being nothing to nobody.

There is no question about inclusion of LGBTQi persons as congregants in the UMC. This is a misunderstanding of the current situation and the current position of the UMC.

You know this man doesn't understand the issue when he says there are just six verses in dispute. No. The rules against sexual immorality permeate the Bible.

This Pastor is a reprobate. But the good news is that Jesus Christ loves us and wants to save us from sin, which is why He calls us to repent. False teachers come with fine sounding rhetoric and mix up the language of the Gospel with open justifications for rebellion and sin

Holiness Methodist churches separated from UMC years ago ! Primitive Methodist and others holiness Methodists went their separate ways.

Isn't it a bit presumptive for people to decide who God loves and accepts?

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. How does the The UMC interpret these verses?

This is the great falling away! As you see these things happen look up for your redemption draws near.

This is a wicked man. Revelation21:8 Revelation22:15. If we say we have fellowship with Him, but walk in darkness, we lie, we do not the truth.

8:42 white preacher telling African American host that Africa is 20 years behind the rest of the world

Laodicea.

How sad that so many people have been deceived by Satan and thus are choosing their very sinful perverted feelings over the clear condemnation of such debauchery in the holy word of God. Just another sign of the shortness of time as we are told that some will depart from the faith.

The church is not a social club.

With all due respect pastor: YOU of all people know (or should know) better. Perhaps you should re-read 2Tim 3 and 2Tim 4? You are literally leading people to Satan and eternal damnation. May God have mercy on your soul.

Sounds to me that they are trying really really hard to be lukewarm at best

Adam Hamilton has made a compromise with the world and against God. As Christians we are to love all and help sinners through there brokenness from sin which we all have even pastors. God speaks very plainly to his people about sexual sins and desires of the flesh and yes Jesus spoke about it to the listeners and Pharisees about Gods plan for marriage With woman and man. Gods laws never change we have to leave our sinful desires and conform to Gods will for our lives and accept Jesus as Gods son and put all faith and trust in Him and repent of all our sins and not be fooled by The Devil. All Christians need to stay focused so God and not the world

This Pastor makes to much money to buck the system....that is what he is all about

LIVE AND LET LIVE PEOPLE!

Smooth move United Methodists. Because of you I have up pork and found Allah. I will not subject myself to a church that hates me. Pastor from Kenya. I can’t find a reason to come back. God is one, not a trinity.

The LGBTQ ppl have been around since the existence of PPL... I’ll Be honest I have to slow him down or listen to him a few times... he dropped a lot of info too fast... I’m all about Gods Love and Mercy- But’s Love doesn’t stop when injustice makes ppl uncomfortable, especially when those ppl that injustice is thrust upon believe in the same Christian God.

I don't believe God makes mistakes period And I don't believe that it is my place to judge. All churches should be open to every person no matter what their Viewpoint of their sexuality is. And I'm tired of seeing young people commit suicide because they cannot come out that they are gay in front of their religious parents

This question have been only asked to a large UMC church. Our church us a small Church, rural churches will never have an opportunity to give a statement. I think it is a different understanding of what is going on.

Conservatives can take the next step and fully embrace becoming Biblical Christians.

It’s great that you are loving and fully inclusive of LBTQ people but are you calling them to repentance in the name of Jesus?

One third of the churches ditched this denomination. Boy was this guy wrong.

Chirches have never rejected LGBTQ, etc. people, so long as they came they there seeking healing, acknowledging they had a problem. What that crowd today wants affirmation, acclamation, adoration.

I think anyone who wants to go to church should be welcomed. And let God do the judging. Haven't we all sinned and come short of the glory of God. But isn't it all about mercy and grace.

Adam Hamilton is just wrong.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever ! What did Jesus teach regarding homosexuality ? , We all are Repentant sinners . Jesus clearly teaches that unrepentant sinners are excluded from the Kingdom of God ! Sanction sin and you have become an apostate church ! Repent for the Kingdom of God is coming like a freight train ! Practise lawlessness to your own peril Mathew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, (B)‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who (C)does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we (D)not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And (E)then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; (F)depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

What do people think is going to happen? Can't really get worse than the conduct of catholic priests for the past millennia

LGB is not like the TQ+. We never insisted that other groups give up their separate spaces and change their language.

This church is falling away just like the Episcopal and Lutheran Churches. Very sad an un-repentant sinner in an unholy same sex marriage can honestly believe they are qualified, per 1 Titus 3, to become a bishops, priest, and deacons and will teach other's their sin is OK. The bible is very clear about false teaching. Instead, these people should be in the congregation listening and learning and recognizing their sin. Stealing is a sin and everyone expects the theft to stop stealing, the murderer to stop murdering, and so on. Unfortunately, many churches like this probably DO NOT teach scripture pertaining to this sin, such as; 1 Corinthians 6:9, Romans 1:18-32.

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [f]effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6 NASB 1995

07:52 this will reveal more clearly a schism between those who believe The Bible is the revealed Word of God and who work to conform themselves to it whether or not they agree with it, and those who believe their independent moral agency and competence are adequate to choose within The Bible the parts they wish to accept or reject. Fundamentally it means whether we acknowledge God as Sovereign or we create Him in our own image by cherry picking His traits according to our preferences. The pastor's references to slavery in The Bible unfortunately perpetuate confusion. Forced chattel slavery as practiced in the United States until the mid-19th century is prevented in the Old Testament law, with the death penalty for those who kidnap others and force them into slavery. The references to slavery which appear to endorse it are referring not to forced chattel slaves but to indentured servants, who entered into servitude voluntarily and who had specific rights set out in the Biblical law (Exodus 21). Arguing that Biblical acknowledgement and regulation of indentured servitude is the same as Biblical endorsement of chattel slavery, and therefore Biblical morals are untrustworthy on other subjects as well, is factually incorrect and leaves the Christian faith with no foundation outside of each individual's rationalizations.

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Duh. For the last 40 years.

So the change in traditional thought to a secular one falls into a 20 year time-frame? What of the 2000 plus years back to the birth of Jesus? As to the question of picking and choosing what is right and wrong in the Bible in reference to slave and master, where did you ever read employee and employer language? Slavery has become a trigger word that brings up a negative reaction in connection to chains and whips. Maybe a closer look at the social structure of a more distant past would redefine the meaning. How do you think the person feels who cleans your toilet or the prostitute standing on the corner? You're saying the money is setting them free? That there are no chains keeping them tied to their social position? Don't we all declare God as Master and that we are his slaves? Feel free to change the meaning of your words but not the truth of God's morality.

Hell has really broken loose.

We are all sinners and Jesus told his brother James….. “ ya know Jimmy, when you break one law you break them all!” There are people who secretly think they qualify for heaven on their own merit

Christianity does not change to fit your narrative or pervert life style

Adam Hamilton sounds like a decent man but referring to the Old and New Testaments for clarification on LGBYQ issues is over 2000 years out of touch with reality.

There are several verses in the Bible about homosexuality. None of them were mentioned in this video.

1 Timothy 4:1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.

King James Version 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

this guy was deflecting and knows he is wrong.

It’s over.

WOW!

Jesus was extraordinarily comfortable with people who weren’t anything like Him.

What makes a private association operating under American pagan and laxist laws the Church of God, anyway?

If this mans congregation is as welcoming as he says then I think this is some great news for the LGBTQ community. Progression and acceptance is such a beautiful thing. The synagogue by my house welcomes all and is a huge ally to the LGBTQ community in the area. I hope the church continues to move forward like this.

Jesus talked about men born without their noodles! It’s in the Bible! So these men without noodles could not obey God ….. Be fruitful and multiply and Jesus did not condemn them!

that's it for Methodist church such a shame tho.

Do many people who attend these churches, commit sins that are an abomination to God. Why do they spend so much time focusing on just one?

Looks to me that the church will be a vehicle for worship only. How can they be a teaching church when they have factions interpreting scripture differently. Also... Pastor Johnson: "I understand why you are leaving, but you are wrong. Don't let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you."

The idea that Jesus is just some all-loving God who takes no regard of people’s wickedness is completely untrue and unbiblical. In Psalm 5:5 clearly declares of God, “you hate all evildoers.” God commands us to: “do not devise evil in your hearts… for all these things I hate, declared the Lord.” As a follower of God, David boldly proclaimed “I hate the assembly of evil doers.” The Lord commanded us through Amos, “Hate evil, and love good” (Amos 5:15). For someone to truly follow after God, they must hate evil. Proverbs 8:13 says, “the fear of the Lord is hatred of evil.” Psalm 97:10 encourages us, “O you who love the Lord, hate evil!” Psalm 15, says in verse 4 that the person who will dwell on God’s holy hill is the one “in whose eyes a vile person is despised.” These verses do not tell us that we are to despise a vile person’s actions, while loving them; we are to hate evil, hate evildoers, and fear God while hating what He hates. When an innocent young girl is raped, we hate the rapist. When a crowd of people are assassinated, we hate their murderer. When a building is blown up, we hate the bombers, and those who convinced them they were doing the right thing. When a politician prays to the true God of the Bible and a plethora of other 'gods' as well, we hate the assimilation of evil. In these times those who lead are for the world and not for the people of God. They do it for politics not the lord, they do it for power, pride and greed, not for righteousness. The false profits are here now and preaching! James 4:12. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. 1 Corinthians 5:12-13 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.” Ezekiel 3:18-19 If I say to the wicked, “You shall surely die,” and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, in order to save his life, that wicked person shall die for his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. But if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, or from his wicked way, he shall die for his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul. Sin is not to be accepted or condoned. It is not to be normalized in society and a society the accepts sin as normalcy and protects it through equity is a nation that no longer trusts in god. Do not become the pagan nations that your creator destroyed! 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work. Psalms: 125 I am your servant; give me discernment that I may understand your statutes. 126 It is time for you to act, LORD; your law is being broken. 127 Because I love your commands more than gold, more than pure gold, 128 and because I consider all your precepts right, I hate every wrong path. Do not be bound together with unbelievers,” says Paul in 2 Corinthians 6:14 “for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? ” Believers can and should relate to unbelievers' situations, but we must never emulate their lifestyles of separation from God you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. Great reward and untold and unspeakable forgiveness is bestowed to those who can turn the wicked righteous Matthew 10:22 You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved. John 15:18 “If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. James 4:4 You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. No matter what our sin may be, the consequences are the same-separation from God. When we repent and turn back to Him, He forgives us and cleanses us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9). Repentance is not optional if we want to have a relationship with God. In fact, it is the very first step in coming to faith in Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38). Without repentance, there can be no forgiveness (Luke 13:3).

Religion is a blight on humanity.

Welcome them they must repent.

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. - Matthew 7:21 As someone who's been through spiritual warfare, one can tell a lot about a person's life by looking at their eyes. This man's eyes does seem off.

So 75% do not follow the bible and are not christian who follows God's rule and do not make God Lord of their life....no point in attending with non christians...

The sacrifice by Jesus of his own life is wasted when you continue to quote the Old Testament, at least for believers in Christ.

So just throw away the Bible no longer Christian.

i find the issue with U methodest church since they were the ones who helped the black americans have voice as recognized fully human, fully american as an interesting development.

You can not look at science as your guide in biblical understanding. Science has become a god to man.

If I read my Bible correctly, there is only one unforgivable sin. The various denominations seem to focus on one. They also seem to not put any focus on the other abominations written into the bible. Why?

The word of God. You either preach it, enforce it and live by it, or you are not of God. Clearly this, well I guess you call it a cult now, no longer serves or follows God.

Aside from the moral issue, research has discovered the biological cause for same sex attractions. During the gestation period of the developing fetus, if certain key nutrients are not present in the hypocampus of the developing fetus, the natural heterosexual attraction could be altered to yield same sex attraction or actually no attraction at all. In the animal world, any farmer can tell you that calves are usually born homosexual if they are twins which robs them of the key nutrients during the development of the calf. Doctor Joel Wallach, famous Naturopathic physiciann, has exposed the truth. The bottom line is, homosexuality can be prevented with adequate nutritional supplementation and proper diet during the pregnancy of the mother.

For those who are convinced that people who do not believe the very same as then will eternally burn in Hell, they may get an unpleasant surprise at the gates as they were instructed that God is the only judge. We do not need to agree with each other, we merely need to treat all with respect and kindness, working on being good people each day, to the best of our abilities each day.

I have respect for and support gay/bi people. As a matter of fact, intolerance of gay ppl is very much why I dissociated from Christianity well over a decade ago. I did not (and still do not) want to be part of a culture that marginalizes ppl bc of some arbitrary aspect of their personhood. But there is a serious difference between two ppl of the same sex loving each other and a grown ass man claiming to be a woman. The former is a private, consensual matter that has no impact on society. The ladder is just a damn lie and do not see how an ideology that is literally predicated on lies would be incorporated into a religious institution. I don’t think the church should degrade and spread hatred of trans folks. But it would be asinine for it to claim that males are women and/or females are men bc it simply is not true and no institution claiming moral, divine authority should be propagating lies.

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When I see an attractive woman….. my body instantly lets me know…… I don’t stop and think: “ let’s see now…..I see an attractive woman….. am I attracted? Gee whiz, I may be attracted….. am I ?…… let me think….. well yes, I am attracted to her….. so my answer is yes!…. Wow it’s exhausting to make these decisions!”……. This is nature not sin!

David❤️Jonathan…… it’s in the Bible!

I love this pastor!

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any way you look at it, if you practice sin and are unrepentant your hell bound!And last time I read it God called homosexuals abominations and God is the same yesterday, today and forever

What the shot do it wont save you bs