Have the Model T and love it, seems fairly robust. Best but about it is the immediate feedback with force curve, I’ve improvised immensely after just a few sessions and doing some study of Aram/ Biorowers content. You get into a lovely flow state on these machines I could never achieve on static.
Nice video John. I’ve done 99% of my erging on one of these over the last couple of years. You need to adjust the rear of the slide up a bit so you don’t hit the back stop during the stroke.
@KyleSchmidt on mine, there’s a button on the back which you hold down to control the piston. Let it home up if you’re too low, push it down if too high. The seat has a spirit level to help with this.
Good, but at a scary price!! Following Cam Buchan’s use of the RP3, these sub 6min elite rowers cannot use it too often as it is not as robust as a C2. Now when can you blag a test from Aram of the BioRower? 😎
Sorry! I do prefer the water rowing machine… it is a beauty, aesthetically pleasing and silent! It is my best friend! Thank you for sharing the alternative ! Greetings from Edith, Singapore 🌹🌹
It’s about halfway in between. C2 on slides is heavier so it moves less relative to the rower’s own mass. The moving part of the dynamic is lighter - too light in my view. The RP3 is probably the most accurate replication of rowing on the water for any machine under £5,000 - I haven’t tried the more expensive ones!
That’s just my technique. But then, your calves shouldn’t really be getting in on the action much anyway. Apart from helping the compression into the front.
Well done by NOT strapping feet in. IF you were an oarsman I would be advising that you pull an inch lower down and don’t hit the chest but imagine dropping down round an orange at the finish. For a non-rower your technique is better than 90 percent of the rowers I see demonstrating.
I think the fact the back end of it is on a shock absorber is what gives you the flimsy thoughts. But trust me, it's just as solid as a C2. I've not had the chance to use a C2 on slides, or a dynamic, so I can't compare to them I'm afraid. But for leg push, and the control needed at the back of the stroke, this is totally a different (in a good way) sensation which really tidies up my C2 static erg rowing.
Can I abuse and ask a second question please? I can understand that it's more like rowing on water but I've watched some other videos tonight including the dynamic Concept 2 and noticed that there does not seem to be any real resistance when you push with your legs. I mean that you just seem to be pushing part of the machine (15kg?, 25 kg?) away from you but I doubt it weighs much so it looks like people are pushing with their legs into space. On the classic rowing machines, you are pushing your entire body weight backward. So how do the classic machines compare with dynamic ones in terms of physical demands made on the legs? Thanks
I think this comes down to how you're thinking about it. It's not that you're pushing your body weight backwards - it's that you're pushing power into the machine - on both machines. Ideally, you want to push with your legs, with a forward tilt and straight arms so that all that leg power goes through your posterior chain and directly into the fan. The power from your legs through your body makes you 'hang' off the handle. If the fan was locked in place, unable to spin, you'd just sit there, hanging off the handle at the front of the machine. But because the fan moves, this push of the legs makes the fan accelerate as you power in, and as that power dissapates, you move backwards (and then add in power from your backswing and pull of the arms). On a C2, you can cheat this by totally skipping the leg drive and pulling with the arms and swinging your body early. But because you're pushing the machine away on the Rp3, you totally lose connection is you try to use arms/body only. (In fact, I'll try that and I'll make a short video). So from an on the water point of view, the RP3 will teach you a better rowing stroke for when you're in a boat. A Concept2 is also amazing for on the water rowing if you push with legs and connect the back etc. But the idea of sending your body backwards, rather than pushing the machine away when on a static Concept2 can cause 'quirks' to an OTW stroke. I hope this makes sense?
The moving mass on the Rowperfect is 23kg vs your own body weight on C2 Model D static machines. That’s why dynamic rowing is much easier on the body, you’re not jolting all that mass/ energy onto the spine. Assuming correct technique of course.
Hello John I'm interested in how the machine returns towards you. Is it with springs or something? As the machine returns to you, I suppose that i's return speed is fixed by the power of the springs or whatever. So if you want to row with more strokes per minute, doesn't the fixed return speed make this harder, or even impossible, as the machine return speed cannot be increased. Or have i got this completely wrong and I'm talking rubbish? Feel free to say so.
To be honest, I don't know! It's not like a Concept2 with a shock cord (or anything else) underneath. You can see yourself, it's just two metal bars that it sits on. I'll ask the Rp3 people and find out what they say. As to stroke rate, if I want to row at 40spm on it, I can - so it's not a constant return speed mechanism that controls it.
AFAIK there’s a rubber band connecting from chain to flywheel to avoid jerking. So there’s definitely a spring back. You mentioned the machine hitting your shins. This could be due to improper levelling but if you take feet out and place them on ground whilst holding handle the main part of machine will come toward you.
