'should be smart and well turned out, this helps to instill confidence in themselves and impress the local people with their professionalism'...todays police force/service etc could do with a bit of this
Watched this video in basic training in 1986! I think this is the Tin City in Sennelager. Only ever trained here in 1987. My NI training was around the barracks before deploying and then in the CQB village in Ballykinler. Best times was playing civpop and throwing hundreds of used plastic bullets at soldiers! 'Don't aim at the heads', so we aimed at the heads. This is why the training staff threw the petrol bombs and not us! Great times, prepared us for the streets although nothing really prepares you for a mouth almighty player giving you a mouthful!
It is very interesting. Did You ever do some exercise, in order to test the better ways of patrolling? I explain, one squad was the "goods" on patrol and another was the "bad" disguised as civilians ready to make an ambush.
This video takes me back especially the ropey intro tune. The narration on many of these types of videos was done by the same bloke. I can remember in the mid 80s patrolling in combats because lightweight trousers were prone to melting if petrol bombed and the INIBA jackets were in use. Enjoyed my time in Ireland plenty of tea stops.
I used to watch the Army patrols as a kid in Northern Ireland. I was mesmerized at how they used to move. It was just normal, back then to see the Army on the street. I was never afraid of them because neither I nor my family had anything to hide. We always felt sorry for these young men, far away from home in a place where a lot of the people hated them. Later, I worked for the government for fourteen years and found out what it was like to be spat on, called an "Orange B*****d" and a "Brit", I had urine thrown at me, rotten eggs and a firework shot at me from a plastic pipe like a bosoka. My house and car were acid bombed and I was threatened by a terrorist organisation. These were terrible days and sad to say that the sectarian hate in Ireland has not gone away it is still lurking just under the surface both in the North and the South of Ireland.
A coworker of mine in the early 90s, Mary, was from Northern Ireland. She was a sweetheart but tough as nails. A bomb went off in Bishops(?) while I was in London over the weekend. I heard the blast and left amongst the chaos afterwards. I was checked by police twice. I was nowhere near the site but must have been within some radius. I remember dust and bits of paper falling down like snow. When I saw her on Monday she just laughed and said "Yer notta vergen no more!".
"one or two Yobos on street corners" .........I say how jolly unpleasant. Silly comment aside, THANK YOU for posting this film, very interesting, FOURTY YEARS OLD boy oh boy.
Never had ANY of the additional kit, totally balls. We went out as we were. Lucky to have more the 1 dressing, we had morphine. Honestly we had basic kit, as of Malaya. He thought were ok though. Sight setting, totally against SOPs and the Yellow Card. We really never had cover, apart from parallels. Subsequent tours, the infantry never wanted to provide cover to Signals troops, they did but, worthlessly. In S Armagh and E Tyrone we never wanted infantry cover as it was pointless. Depending on unit and time on tour they were often restrictive on their protection. Black Watch were certainly different, loved those boys. Queen's Company in XMG were more interested on their reds for the next job, they were adverse to any patrol. At the time we, 3 Bde didn't like ground cover. In 4 days, we went up every day and night, mg attacks every time, we had a job. Queen's Company, stayed inside XMG apart from when we did the Sq Sanger, well second time. There's a huge difference in prospective, some units are not the same
Posh Regiments? This Regiment which I served in had the most commendations in NI. A very professional Regiment with fantastic Soldiers. The Royal Welch Fusiliers.
My Dad was in Us Army.. He said it was the best thing for a man to get 3 hots and a cot. He learned how to be presentable and carry on an intelligent conversation .Korean War.
Those soldiers were in the same regiment as I was in. I served there in 1975, 1976/77, 1978/79 and 1982 three of those tours were in west Belfast, and one in Londonderry. The 1981 was in west Belfast when the hunger strikers were dieing off 👍👍👍👍
My uncle done 3tours of Ireland and every drink he had, he would tell me story's n he always ended the talk with how he should never have been they're. He was never the same and never got over that shit till the day he died. Sad as fk 😢
I did four years almost over there including being one of the survivors at Warrenpoint. 2 bombs 30 mins apart 18 dead, 16 x 2 Para and 2 x QOH. I just got on with life. If your dad said he shouldnt have been there, he should have left the military. We were there trying to keep the peace. We lost far more soldiers over there than we did in Afghanistan. Very difficult circumstances.
As a former gunrunner, gunman getaway driver and local taxi driver and resident of No3 Brooke Crescent, Ballymurphy I can confirm it is indeed Tin City Sennelager :-) Nothing like a riot after a meeting of the Pidgeon Club, or an unlucky brick trying to empty the bar!
This is of course 'Tin City!' I did Civ pop & then Nitat training there in 88. I was a Corporal at the time & in charge of a section. I was shitting myself through most of the training but managed to blag myself through it. We were Tankies. We had the worst OC at the time, he was a twat. After we had completed our training it was 'piss up' time. He dragged us out of our pits & bollocked us for no reason?! When we eventually got to NI all he could manage was make us fill sandbags. Not that I'm bitter? Civ pop was hilarious, managed to smuggle an SMG past the troops. Fish & Chips, pubs & then onto battle. Killymurphy bricks.
Having the weapon sights set for 200m makes sense in an urban environment but at that range a round from an SLR could go through a brick wall and still kill two people on the other side.
@@Demun1649 do you think thats all the british army did in northen ireland? are you aware of the kind of war that was fought? do you think the IRA ran around in uniform?
@jason corlett The IRA and Republican movement, murdered more of the catholic community than the RUC and British army combined, if you care to check. More false statements from people of your ilk.
The IRA and Provos were hiding behind civilians in built up areas for 30 years. Step out of the crowd, crack off a few rounds at security forces and disappear back into the crowd.
@jason corlett are you joking, they killed more innocent civilians then the RUC and British army, and yes we'd use people as we went through choke points, but we never held old people hostage with the threat of death like the provos did when they carried out attacks on patrols, endangering the residents with return fire from us.
Most fun we had back then apart from Norway, hk or the Cyprus green line. The body armour was funky from the Ten years of sweaty smelly occupants before you got it.
No discussion of observation of civilians present? In Vietnam it was often wise to see just how nervous they seemed to be. Sometimes they just didn't trust outsiders. Sometimes they weren't nervous because they didn't know the local VC were about to attack. "Watch everything all the time and never draw attention to what you're suspicious of until I am ready." SFC Daniel
What do you think the patrol is about if it is not to observe people? It is not an architecture tour....It even mentions that one of the patrol is up to speed on the id of terrorists in the area. One guy even uses a tape recorder to log details of an individual. Observation not your strong point? Now go and play the banjo.
I can see why your name is dulls. Your nailed the tiny bit about identifying and recording terrorists. Now, genius, oops, I mean dulls, tell me where in the video they cover observation of the general poplilation? They do a fantastic job of discussing movement, arcs of fire, cover and being aware of their surroundings. It’s an excellent video for training new guys how to move and support each other. It is not intended to discuss what goes on when local people are present. In that regard, I find it weak. Perhaps they have other videos to address dealing with civilians?
And if you had ever seen me try to play any instrument, sing or dance, you’d understand how incredibly dull your suggestion is for me to “…go play a banjo.” Being that judgementally presumptions is just not a good way of dealing with people, numbnutz.
@@frankedgar6694 I googled part 2 of this which you can as well. It will bring you to urban patrolling part 2 and I quote.. .Object description Army Instructional film giving a brief introduction to multiple patrolling, the most used and recommended technique for Army patrolling with several mutually-supporting teams (known as 'bricks') in urban areas. After describing the aims and basic principles of the method, an Army unit is seen preparing for a patrol, probably in Northern Ireland, although this is not stated. The pre-patrol drills, ways of moving through urban areas and the procedure for divergence from the original plan on spotting people of interest to the security forces, for example, are all shown, before the patrol returns to base for debriefing. Does "spotting people of interest cover it?" Does "brief introduction" cover it or not....I seem to remember that "hearts and minds" was a concept in the British Army long before the US looked into it in any detail. This video is a brief look not a comprehensive look as you would know. But you had to point something out that was not needed nor made you look clever.
Those are not residential areas. Theyre urban training grounds. No dogs, no elderly and ypu wont find a tricolour beside a UVF mural. And the UVF mural is a bit too well done to be real.
Blimey, that takes me back! Remember it like it was yesterday. I wonder how today's generation of young soldiers would adapt their experience in Afghanistan, to doing this sort of thing in the British isles...
Bear in mind we liberated Kuwait with five rounds per man I'd say they carried a war load. 18 was to reduce misfeeds due to long periods loaded but not made ready. I had two mags so we must have expected aks by then. We had armalites before the sa80.
5 magazines of 20 each 7.62mm, i was a gunner in Armagh and carried a lot of belted ammo, i would say 300/400 and the additional spread out among the brick, probably totalled 1000 rounds.
This looks like a training village. Does anyone happen to know what unit this is? I couldn’t tell if the berets were black or a really dark green w/a subdued Royal Marine badge. Hard to tell w/being grainy SD.
Who puts the sling on the stock attachment point? If they wrestle the rifle away from you, it will naturally point directly back at you. Boom, one dead squaddie. My unit, 2 Para, attached the sling to the weapon butt so in the same situation, if they got the weapon away from you, it naturally pointed at THEM. boom, dead terrorist.
All the capital invesred in keeping garrisons in Northern Ireland...When all you needed to do was improve existing infrastructure...Be polite, courteous, and respectful...The IRA wouldn't have had a bloody leg to stand on!
They had 300 years of lies, counter lies and the tayto famine to keep them going ..oh, and more lies. Being too polite and too courteous would have gotten us shot to f*ck on every patrol... Civvy kn*b
They KNEW they had to seperate the people from the army. Thats why they started killing innocent protestants, knowing full well that the protestants would start killin innocent catholics. They then sold the story "Look, the Brits cant protect you, only the IRA/UDA can". Sadly the normal Irishman fell for the ploy and we lost their support.. The terrorist wankers murdered their own people by proxy. Fucking animals.
Did people have to live with this going on all around them - soldiers "covering threats" while they went shopping? So glad I didn't live there/then. They don't seem to be doing much to protect the civilians walking and driving around. Or were they trying to menace them? "Be firm but polite" = "Give me your name and address." Word "please" didn't exist? I can't imagine the stress that this must have put on every day life. Jeeze.
In Saigon, you paid attention to people around you without being obvious. They went about their daily lives as much as possible. Some of the local people wanted you there. Some of the local people wanted you dead. You couldn't tell by looking at them which was which. Sitting in a little corner bar one afternoon, my buddy noticed that the civilians were suddenly leaving so we got the heck out of there. We were about half a block away when we heard an explosion. That little bar had been the target of a satchel bomb. Two guys didn't get the joy of coming home. They chose "finish this beer first."
I grew up with the soldiers on patrol on the streets of Northern Ireland They were fab! They used to chat to us and have great crack, I loved them great lads.
