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Roland should make a special deal for 101 / 707 users. Or create a dedicated / simpler editor

thank you for linking me to this vid, im now up and running!!!

Great video, so useful for newbies like me. Thank you, merci

Thanks for answering my question. Much appreciated. I’m still undecided what I’ll do...but, at least I’m no longer confused by what the options really mean. Again, thanks!

Thank u for going into great detail. Zenology is quite convoluted, but it sounds good :)

Great videos, thanks.

I purchase special Analog Icon offer and damn happy. As MC 707 user Im happy even more. Such a great tool and sound.

I try to learn how to play synth, I like your videos. Thank you for share your experience. From Iztapalapa to the world.

Thanx man very clear!!

Why that isn’t all explained on the Roland website with buy or rent buttons is beyond me! Thank you.

Thank you very much for those explanations. Roland got really bad at naming and presenting their tools. I was about to buy the SH-101 Model Expansion especially for my MC-707. That would have been 149$ thrown out the window! Thanks to your video things are much clearer now. ☺

Great post 👌

Really love that digital distorted 303 sound you had at 17:10. I'm afraid I agree with Skull HQX. These are very promising developments, but it feels a bit too cumbersome for the price Roland is asking. Maybe I'm just getting old and lazy though! I look forward to seeing what this workflow is like in 5 years on the MC-1001.

Thanks for the info, i was wondering about the expansion models for Zenology and if they were compatible with my 707, now i know! You should mention that you can purchase VST from a 3rd party for (limited) control the 101 and/or 707. Because Roland doesn't see any money in making a VST for their AIRA gear.

Sounds like they put a lot of thought in making it as confusing and user unfriendly as possible.

Merci! Awesome chanel btw! Time to unlock my MC101!

Thanks!

Just got a 707 I wasn’t aware it didn’t load or have access to the expansion modals . Wish I’d seen this video before . I had to dig deep searching for that info . Hope Roland will update the 101/707 to do so , but at this length of time later seams fairly dubious .

My dream would be for Roland to update the firmware to include an "oscillator" menu in the settings for a preset. It could have tuning, waveform type, filter type, and possibly a simple adsr. That's it. Maybe 1 menu deep if you put the adsr on the same page in numerical values. It wouldn't be too complex to implement, the engine is already in place, the randomizer already accesses these parameters. The 707 would still have double the tracks, and a screen to edit more fluidly, and zenology would probably have it's DAW workflow benefits, so it won't cannibalize those products. But that one pesky menu would imo make the mc101 the best portable groovebox on the market, and an enormous value for the price. I mean modern classic territory like the elektron stuff

You can buy a lifetime to just the pack you want to buy for $.99. Some of them have 15 tones, some have 30 tones, some have 30 tones and a drum set. All without subscribing to Roland Cloud. But honestly, you probably don't need it. The random tone generator they added is super fun and powerful. Then you can further shape the sound using the envelope, cutoff, resonance offsets, the motion sequencer, and the master effect for that track. I really think you can generate similar or better sounds than you wind up buying. Personally, out of 30 tones, I'm lucky if I find 15 that I will actually wind up using in a track. But that's just my opinion.

is there a crossgrade from zenology pro lifetime to the subscription model?

Roland should be giving you a free synth or cloud membership for these videos.

You cant export EXZ patch for ZC1 and MC101 too. Sad that I cant get more D50 patch to MC101.

To add to the confusion I believe the first month is always Ultimate. That at least happened in my case, while I subscribed to Pro. Got me really confused and annoyed, as I was thinking they would start charging me Ultimate.

16:32 OMG, can i have this sound on my MC-101 without membership? Can't find this preset..

Could you tell me please, if I wanted to export some sounds to mc 101 so what type it have to be(z core or zen core). Could I export some another patterns of styles or anything else? Thank you for your hard working to show us more possibilities. 👍🙋‍♂️

Is there a source to buy z-core soundpacks for the 101 without a roland-account/subsription?

If I have a membership for Zeonology Pro for say a month, create a load of sound on it, then load them into the MC-101, can I still use those sounds after my membership expires? Or do I only have access to my own as long as I have my own membership?

I have the MC 101, and i love it. But the reason to upgrade to the 707 is, that the 707 doesn‘t need the editor. The full featured synth is onboard. So maybe a good alternative to buy the Zenology Pro, is to buy the MC-707. Thanks for the video!

Too confusing for me. Just seems like a money grab scheme to rent software that will eventually become obsolete.

If after say 2 months of Cloud I decide to end membership do the Presets I created and exported to my SD Card stop working ? Thank you

Ahh man that really sucks about not been able to save a hardware patch. Its probably to stop people from making a load of memory cards full of the hardware patches then Cancelling the subscription.

Wait! That means that this Zenology software allows to create our own patches of sounds and save it as a file that we could share with anyone. Is there an online resource where users share freely their patches for anyone to quickly import to our devices? I'd really appreciate having more analog synths patches in my MC101.

Can you export Zc1 patches from Zenbeats to the MC 101?

please correct me if I'm wrong : first I have to buy hardware (MC 101) that is capable of playing zen stuff.. and then I have to pay extra if I want to edit the sounds that my hardware is already capable of ?

I understand the mc-707 and mc-101 both share around 3500-4000 sounds. So all of these is for ADDITIONAL sounds from the roland cloud?

Thanks, I downloaded Roland Cloud Manager and bought the XV-5080 but I’m having trouble it’s in my Roland Cloud Manager library and I install it, it shows that it installed when finished But when done it still says install not installed and I don’t see it anywhere on my Mac.

Hi, i have an example ,if i download the programm Jupiter 8, can I use in my Roland mc 707?

Synology?

I'm so confused. You need to subscribe to Roland's service to have access to certain sounds? I was considering ordering a MC101, but if this is the case forget it.

Roland Cloud, complete pain in ass. Having to link to internet every few weeks to re-authorise your licence.

Hi Nu-trix, this is outside of the scope of this video, I have the Zenology ultimate. I have some AIRA gear, system 1m, jd-xi and the mx1 mixer. Can i use some of this gear as a midi controller for zenology ? I know it's a stupid question rtfm :) but im not asking you to solve the whole thing, just point me in the right direction.

I love the Roland cloud so far, although I am stuck in scrolling land and overwhelm of having every synth Ive ever wanted. A good problem to have but seriously, Im locking in to 606 and a Jupiter. My problem is user error related for sure haha. Cheers.

Can you EXPORT Tones from MC101/707 yet? That Randomizer function is fun start for Tones. Thank you

Does Zenology already have all the sounds of 101 and 707?

Will the other non zcore models load into the 707?

I wish that the TR-8S was included in the zenology family.

Live service stuff is abomidable. Roland should give you a free editor for the 101. I wouldn't be surprised if a patch you exported "expires' with your subscription.

11:45 Start here if you're an MC-101/707 user wondering about expansion sounds on your device. Very helpful info that Roland doesn't make clear. Side note: I was hoping for a flat patch-to-patch comparison between Zenology and a ZenCore device since I've encountered some that sound very different when using the hardware. Even manually programming the parameters from Zenology to my MC-707, a patch sounds different. THIS ISN'T ALWAYS THE CASE and is just my direct experience on firmware 1.72. Just wanted to make owners of the hardware aware of the difference.

Or you can buy NI Komplete which is much, much better and will cover all your music-making needs.

Oh man...I owe you virtually a meal and a beer...i would have totally gone bonkers if I didn`t watch this because I tried to export a Sound from the model JD 800 Expansion in Zencore to my new Verselab...and wondered why the bank was empty... NO-ONE is pointing out the issue with the expansions like you! I probably would have waste 3 hours... If you ever are in Germany, near Cologne, send me a DM via Insta @chillwalker I mean it! thx!!!

Roland should tell people: there is no ability to import .wav files or any type of your own samples from your 707 or 101 into Zenology. Zenology ONLY can edit it's own internal sound patches.

12:20

99% of that stuff isn't compatable with the mc101. Only the zenology pro plugin will make patches for the 101.

So Roland is selling crippled hardware that is only unlockable with an on line(no more offline private use)account and a subscription that costs you money perpetually if you want to enjoy your instrument? Like Windows 10/Office 365 type thing? This is why I still hold on to my OLD gear.. Not everyone has an endless money pot to play their instrument. I hate this new world of no privacy and you have to be online all the time to enjoy things model.. Scary and sad. Well so much for buying the MC101. Time to stick to a Fantom X or Akai MPC

Roland is smoking crack if they think I'm agreeing to a monthly fee for the privilege of updating my patches. I'll stick to the sounds already on the 101. I would maybe agree to buy some patches outright. But never a subscription.

Zenology ,and offline user ? The punishment.

10yrs = $1,000 not worth it.

Roland has gone worse .. like KORG and their bs. System-8 was tze last hardware I will ever buy from them. 64 patches per engine, but any engine can only be used once! So you need to constantly load new patches frkm the sdcard and have to organise everything on the SD-card! WTF!? Of course the JD-XA has a completely different patch storage organization. What is going on @Roland!? Why do I need to subscribe for kne month to a web-service to download a System-8 plugin to be able to manage my patches!? I am done with all this complicated inconsistent always online shit.

W…t…f… Is Roland doing. I’m not going near that stuff.