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USS Colorado - Guide 242 

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USS Colorado, lead ship of her class of battleships of the United States Navy, is today's subject.
Read more about the ship here:
www.amazon.co.uk/Battleships-Allied-World-War-II/dp/0870211005
www.amazon.co.uk/U-S-Battleships-Illustrated-Design-History/dp/1591142474
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@Drachinifel
@Drachinifel 3 года назад
Pinned post for Q&A :)
@Knight6831
@Knight6831 3 года назад
How realistically feasible is that the Royal Navy could have had a 46 WW2 Destroyers converted to Frigates? Breakdown of the total converted fleet actually got and proposed 7 Type 62 Anti-Air Warfare Frigates converted from 2 L-Class Destroyers and 5 M-Class Destroyers 42 Anti-Submarine Warfare Frigates consisting of 23 Type 15 Frigate converted from 4 R-Class Destroyers, 1 T-Class Destroyer, 8 U-Class Destroyers, 5 V-Class Destroyers, 4 W-Class Destroyers and 1 Z-Class Destroyer. 9 Type 16 Frigates converted from 1 O-Class Destroyer, 2 P-Class Destroyers and 7 T-Class Destroyers. 6 proposed Type 18 Frigates converted from 4 N-Class Destroyers, 2 S-Class Destroyers.
@Knight6831
@Knight6831 3 года назад
What was the logic behind the high-speed anti submarine frigate conversion of wartime built destroyers?
@philippstetter5611
@philippstetter5611 3 года назад
Will you ever run out of ships to make guides on?
@Knight6831
@Knight6831 3 года назад
Given the Type 45 Destroyers are named after either World War 2 D Class Destroyers and 1949 Daring Class Destroyers and that 6 more were planned Which 6 names from the World War 2 D-Class Destroyers and 1949 Daring Class Destroyers would be the most likely in your opinion to have been chosen for the names of the planned 6 Type 45 Destroyers? Unused names WW2 D-Class: Dainty, Decoy, Delight, Diana, Duchess Po-WW2: Danae, Demon, Dervish, Desperate, Desire
@brendonbewersdorf986
@brendonbewersdorf986 3 года назад
Have you considered doing a video on the Thai navy during WW2? It's an interesting a lesser known aspect of the war since they actually fought the french at one point
@cartmann94
@cartmann94 3 года назад
“Good morning, fellow ships. God has let me live another day, and I’m gonna make it everyone’s problem.” -USS Colorado at the Fleet Problems
@Big_E_Soul_Fragment
@Big_E_Soul_Fragment 3 года назад
Washington Naval Treaty: Exists USS Washington: *I'll be back.*
@ianpiercey9838
@ianpiercey9838 3 года назад
(Tents fingers and laughs in Admiral Lee.)
@zhaviator
@zhaviator 3 года назад
IJN Kirishima: oh no
@alephalon7849
@alephalon7849 3 года назад
"Strike me down and I will return more powerful than ever." Sure enough, she delivered on that promise...
@nitsu2947
@nitsu2947 3 года назад
USS Washigton BB-56: I'm back
@ayylmao9697
@ayylmao9697 3 года назад
I will return
@ut000bs
@ut000bs 3 года назад
I've read gunner's mates' writings about how accurate the 5" 51s were. I remember one was something like, "Inside 8,000 yards it's not if I'm going to hit it, it's where do you want me to hit it?" I thought that was cool. They were definitely serious weapons.
@bdub1682
@bdub1682 3 года назад
yeah The only issue with them was where they were put too close to the waterline, as most casemate guns were
@gunnermurphy6632
@gunnermurphy6632 3 года назад
I don't recall such things
@STRYKER_b14
@STRYKER_b14 3 года назад
That does 5' mean in mm. Plz convert for me🙂
@bdub1682
@bdub1682 3 года назад
@@STRYKER_b14 127mm
@jasondiaz8431
@jasondiaz8431 3 года назад
@@STRYKER_b14 no one knows the conversion to metric is impossible🤪. Metric measurements aren't impressive and are must harder to conceptualize as there is no useful measurements between Meters and centimeters.
@warlord8525
@warlord8525 3 года назад
The US Navy be like: you getting an aa gun, you getting an aa gun, everyone gets an aa gun
@mattwoodard2535
@mattwoodard2535 3 года назад
"I see empty deck space. Why isn't there a gun there!" sm
@luisnunes2010
@luisnunes2010 3 года назад
Can't have hands with nothing to do, put them on the dakka. What do you mean the ship is top heavy already?
@zlboyle90
@zlboyle90 3 года назад
You can never have too much dakka. Ever.
@andrewp8284
@andrewp8284 3 года назад
MOAR DAKKA!
@paladamashkin8981
@paladamashkin8981 3 года назад
@@ramal5708 it is a running joke. Not meant to be derogatory. If you look at USN ships at the start of the war, they were negligent on taking aa seriously. By the end, as Drach puts it. "Is there an empty space on this ship? Why is there not another aa gun here. Put it there immediately."
@luked7525
@luked7525 11 месяцев назад
Interestingly: Both Colorado and Maryland ended WWII with the old cage-lattice masts. All other surviving standard-types had either replaced them with tripod pole masts in the interwar period, or had been rebuilt with modern superstructures similar to the new fast battleships
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 3 года назад
"...increase in her antiaircraft armament from 4 guns to 8..." I'd say those numbers feel unnaturally small for a US battleship, but they hadn't really gotten into the swing of the "bolt AA guns anywhere you can find space for them" thing yet. By the late war they'd have been welding them to the keel if someone hadn't pointed out the lack of submersible aircraft in the IJN and the difficulties of manning an gun in scuba gear.
@toddwebb7521
@toddwebb7521 3 года назад
You gotta pump those up, those are rookie numbers
@Ralph-yn3gr
@Ralph-yn3gr 3 года назад
As far as I can tell, the US Navy in this period was always somewhat slow to fully embrace new things, but once they did they took it to the logical extreme. Usually after they were hit over the head by a bad guy using the new thing or in such a way as to demonstrate why the new thing was a good idea.
@howardblumenkopf7872
@howardblumenkopf7872 3 года назад
@@Ralph-yn3gr *U.S gets bonked* "We are going to build 10x as many bonkers at twice the size and triple the girth! No expense will be spared! We will develope a super bonker that will make the enemy wish they never thought about bonking us!" And that's how you end up with several dozen aircraft carriers, a 900 ship navy and 1000s of B-29s.
@Nightdare
@Nightdare 3 года назад
@@howardblumenkopf7872 The American proverb: "There's no such thing as overkill, just 'ensured victory'"
@stanleyrogouski
@stanleyrogouski 3 года назад
The Colorados were too slow to keep up with the carriers so they probably weren't expected to fend off the same kind of air attacks the fast battleships were.
@Sigmarthetruthfull
@Sigmarthetruthfull Год назад
My grandfather served on her from 39 to 45 as one of the head mechanics in the engine room. I've always wanted to learn more about the ship or find any photos of him in the ship.
@thegeneralmitch
@thegeneralmitch 3 года назад
wow, the Colorado really has a beautiful ship profile.
@paladamashkin8981
@paladamashkin8981 3 года назад
My personal favorite for looks. Historically underrated as well. She took damage on several occasions and stayed on station.
@airplanenut89
@airplanenut89 3 года назад
I know Drach said the fwd cage mast was still a draw back but I'm happy it stayed. Looks ascetic as fuck.
@jfangm
@jfangm 3 года назад
Definitely. Her gun turrets are especially pretty. So much so that I effectively copied them on a space cruiser I designed for friend's sci-fi project.
@Qossuth
@Qossuth 3 года назад
Huh, weird, I find them quite ugly. Yes, the turrets are nicely proportioned (and big!), but something about the sharklike overhanging bow, the lack of any sheer to the bow and the side plating going all the way back is just unappealing. No biggie to each their own and all that :)
@jfangm
@jfangm 3 года назад
@@Qossuth Can't argue with effectiveness.
@spoddie
@spoddie 3 года назад
"at the head of the fleet" confused World of Warship players: "holy crap, that was a very slow fleet"
@arthurfisher1857
@arthurfisher1857 3 года назад
@@Emigdiosback either slow, or stupidity fast. Not much in between lol
@spoddie
@spoddie 3 года назад
@@Emigdiosback The party isn't going to start without them so it doesn't matter ;)
@jayvee8502
@jayvee8502 3 года назад
@@ramal5708 I think he is refering to Iowa's
@jayvee8502
@jayvee8502 3 года назад
Colorado was a pre treaty BB so it was just same as the other pre treaty BBs with abysmal speed like the Nelsons.
@bfrobin446
@bfrobin446 3 года назад
@@jayvee8502 The 21-knot speed was a compromise even by the standards of the immediate pre-treaty era. An “average” battleship of the time would have been around 23-24 knots, with the Nagato class standing out at 26. And that’s if you don’t count the 32-knot Hood as a battleship.
@ifga16
@ifga16 3 года назад
I used to see a retired Master Chief at the Navy Commissary at Naval Station Great Lakes. We often chatted as I am a Missouri sailor. He had a pen made from a piece of teak from the deck of Colorado as he was part of the WWII crew. He spoke warmly of his time aboard Colorado.
@viridisxiv766
@viridisxiv766 3 года назад
I never tire of these ship guides
@ryanh2621
@ryanh2621 3 года назад
Colorado class has got to be one of the most diverse class of battleships of the us navy, almost like the queen elizabeths
@marseldagistani1989
@marseldagistani1989 3 года назад
In the sense of the Refits?
@stanleyrogouski
@stanleyrogouski 3 года назад
@@marseldagistani1989 I'd have to give it to the Queen Elizabeths over the Colorados. The Colorados were commissioned after WWI. The Queen Elizabeths saw action at the Battle of Jutland and were 4 or 5 knots faster. Then again the Colorados has 16 inch guns and were probably better protected.
@robertf3479
@robertf3479 3 года назад
@@stanleyrogouski Credit where credit is due, the British 15" was a damned good gun.
@phaasch
@phaasch 3 года назад
I never realised that anything built with a cage mast kept it all the way through ww2.
@stanleyrogouski
@stanleyrogouski 3 года назад
@@robertf3479 I own a Brompton folding bike, made in the UK. Every once in awhile I have an Anglophilic moment and think "these English really know how to make a quality product." The Queen Elizabeths really were the zenith of early 20th Century British technology, overbuilt and built to last.
@curtisweller7556
@curtisweller7556 3 года назад
Drachinifel: Colorado would often be found in prestigious positions at or near the head of the fleet... Me (land locked Coloradan): [Colorado Pride Intensifies]
@sandrahoffman1958
@sandrahoffman1958 Год назад
OMG, think I saw a quick glance of my father in your video of the Colorado. He told of several stories of getting hit sooo many times and passed away a few years ago giving me many pictures of the ship.
@mellothejello3285
@mellothejello3285 3 года назад
I know it’s not what you normally cover but I have a video suggestion that would be really cool to see. On the night of June 21st 1942, the Japanese submarine I-25 surfaced in the Columbia river and took aim at the Oregon fort known as Fort Stevens, and the Washington forts known as Fort Canby and Fort Columbia. I-25 fired many shells at them, but the forts did not return fire. Although none of the forts received any damage, the Fort Stevens shelling (as it’s known) marked the only time that a military base in the contiguous United States was attacked by the Axis Powers during World War II. I think it would make an amazing video. Maybe in the video you could go in depth to the whole event and the forts too. Anyways, keep up the good work!
@cpprcrk1833
@cpprcrk1833 3 года назад
I'd like to see Drach do that as well , but that's more of a thing you would see Mark Felton or The History Guy do . In fact , that seems familiar , I think someone has done that story .
@Foxttellio
@Foxttellio 3 года назад
@@cpprcrk1833 you, m'friend have the same taste in youtubers Lol
@vespelian5769
@vespelian5769 3 года назад
@@Foxttellio I do belive THG has covered it, or was it Mark Felton?
@Foxttellio
@Foxttellio 3 года назад
@@vespelian5769 not sure Also thats one dang good pfp
@USNVA11
@USNVA11 3 года назад
I think the I-25 managed to blow up a Ferris Wheel. There is film footage of it.
@kaushiksheshnagraj7176
@kaushiksheshnagraj7176 3 года назад
Usually I don't comment on anyone's video but your content is superb so I am commenting on your video. Wow this video is fantastic. Every line is a point. Your channel deserve more subscriber. I regularly watch your videos from 2 years. As a old subscriber I want a help from you that please make a video on skanderbeg because I realised that only you can describe it nicely. As I know you from the old days, I think you will definitely make a video on this topic
@matehavlik4559
@matehavlik4559 3 года назад
Is there a ship called Skenderbeu then?
@hisdadjames4876
@hisdadjames4876 3 года назад
Welcome to my world....the fabled land of Drachnomania.
@stanleyrogouski
@stanleyrogouski 3 года назад
That photo of the Colorado in NYC, what a great photo! It almost makes me want to write a time travel story that begins on the Staten Island Ferry.
@robertf3479
@robertf3479 3 года назад
Go for it. The idea of 'time traveling ships' has been around a long time but rarely has been done well.
@stanleyrogouski
@stanleyrogouski 3 года назад
@@robertf3479 I like to ride my bike over the Goethals Bridge across Staten Island to take the ferry into Manhattan. Every once in awhile I try to imagine what the Manhattan skyline looked like when it was clean and beautiful, and not overrun with glass monstrosities and Trump branded condo buildings. That photo captures it so well. I can only imagine what it must have looked like an an Eastern or Southern European immigrant in the 1920s.
@stanleyrogouski
@stanleyrogouski 3 года назад
@@robertf3479 Interestingly the photo was taken in 1932 at the very depth of the Great Depression. It looks like the heavenly white city yet underneath those towers was massive unemployment, hunger, and suffering. It shows how deceptive photos can be. Yet if you were a sailor on the Colorado you could count yourself as lucky. I don't think life was exactly easy. A warship isn't a democracy. The pay was lousy. But you had 3 square meals a day and you knew where you were going to sleep that night.
@blackopscw7913
@blackopscw7913 Год назад
@@stanleyrogouski You live on the island?
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 3 года назад
1:42 that is a very, very handsome ship!
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 3 года назад
@@ramal5708 it certainly looks a lot more modern!
@rictusmetallicus
@rictusmetallicus 3 года назад
The sad end of most good ship's stories: ...she was sent to the breakers/scrapyards
@lucidnonsense942
@lucidnonsense942 3 года назад
I mean, what else are you going to do with a floating mountain of scrap iron? There's not enough interested from the public to preserve them and you can't keep them all... so this way some of the cost is recovered.
@Qossuth
@Qossuth 3 года назад
Considering the possible alternatives, not that bad actually :)
@TheTrueHistory
@TheTrueHistory 3 года назад
… instead of trying to sell it to any naive foreign country, like the USS Phoenix: Argentina purchased it and was sunk in action during the Falklands War. Better die in battle that scraped like trash.
@paladamashkin8981
@paladamashkin8981 3 года назад
Lol we should build a museum replica in Colorado. Then future generations can freak out as to why there is a giant ship in 5000' mountains.
@TheTrueHistory
@TheTrueHistory 3 года назад
@@ramal5708 all countries ( like all cultures, races, sexual orientations, religions, etc.) are equally important and any one of them deserve respect. Sadly, like individuals, there are smart, long term vision, productive countries and others not. Thus, the terminology “naive” is very compassionate. There is another crude, realistic name to qualifies countries that always screw their own destiny. With all consideration, you and me should avoid pronounced it.
@winstonsmith478
@winstonsmith478 3 года назад
USS Colorado is now SSN-788, a Virginia-class attack submarine commissioned on 17 March 2018 according to Wikipedia.
@scottgiles7546
@scottgiles7546 3 года назад
Hey Boomer! (USS Colorado winces...)
@pyorre2441
@pyorre2441 3 года назад
The funniest in dark humour way. to me is that brits named one of their new Queen Elizabeth-class carriers as HMS Prince of Wales, if you know what happened to the Prince of Wales battleship during WW2 you will undestand why.
@TheBrainSpecialist
@TheBrainSpecialist 3 года назад
A 5 min guide that's under 10 min? Impossible
@charliefadale851
@charliefadale851 3 года назад
My dad was gun captain on Number 1 turret from start of war till a mid war transfer. Attended ships reunions etc. He was a 20 year veteran of Navy. Always said his best years were on the Colorado. The alumni have a great website if you want more info. I believe she still holds the record of firing more tonnage at the enemy than any other ship. Unfortunately dad passed before the advent of all of this information on the internet! Thanks for a great video
@sarjim4381
@sarjim4381 3 года назад
I must make a mild objection to the characterization of the 5"/25 gun as "single purpose AA". In fact, the 5"/25 was used many times as a surface to surface weapon during those fleet probllems, often with impressive results in terms of accuracy. While the short barrel compared to the 5"/51 gun did result in a lower muzzle velocity, many gunnery officers thought of the 5"/25 as a DP weapon, and they were used as such by the older light and heavy cruisers as well as the BB's during WWII. They were the "heavy" gun on all the later US subs, and this AA gun sunk tens of thousands of tons of Japanese shipping on the surface. They were even used for shore bombardment of Japanese island bases, and at least a couple of them got their licks in doing shore bombardment on the Home Islands. I won't argue that the 5"/25 was desisgned as a DP gun, but WWII showed that it was still quite useful in that role.
@gregorywright4918
@gregorywright4918 3 года назад
Did the 5"/25 have a SAP or AP shell?
@sarjim4381
@sarjim4381 3 года назад
@@gregorywright4918 I'm not sure about SAP rounds, but I've never heard of AP rounds made for these guns. They had HC rounds for shore bombardment, and there were a number of mods made to the rounds from the mid-30's forward, but I don't know the details.
@airplanenut89
@airplanenut89 3 года назад
Some tid-bits from Battleship Colorado have made their way onto USS Colorado SSN-788. Also, YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! My state's battleship finally got her video.
@benallen4980
@benallen4980 3 года назад
I was childishly excited when I saw the video pop up in recommended.
@paladamashkin8981
@paladamashkin8981 3 года назад
Same. Colorado is the Queen of the USN interwar fleet.
@Easy-Eight
@Easy-Eight 3 года назад
The US Navy expressed some regret that *Colorado* or a *New Mexico* class battleship were not retained for shore bombardment duties. Basically, the battleships were being used as blue water monitors in Korea and Vietnam. The *Iowa* class was very expensive to operate. A *Colorado* or *New Mexico* type ship would have been less than half of the operating cost. Source: Battleships, an Illustrated Design History by Dr. Norman Friedman.
@johnshepherd8687
@johnshepherd8687 3 года назад
That would have been the West Virginia since she was equipped with latest electronics. The navy should have retained the two Alaskas in peacetime active service instead of the Iowas because they were much cheaper to operate and had more than enough firepower for shore bombardment.
@Easy-Eight
@Easy-Eight 3 года назад
@@johnshepherd8687 Dr. Friedman said the US Navy leaned more towards the *New Mexico* class as shore bombardment ships. There were large stocks of 14" shells. The *New Mexicos* did not have large torpedo bulges and their turbo electric power plant was economical. Remember, the USN wanted economy post 1950. BTW, the 1945 electronics were somewhat pointless in all the battleships. Friedman says the *Iowa* class alway had communication issues with the fleet, in Vietnam it became a very severe annoyance. Remember, the USN did use *New Mexico* as a gunnery prototype ship and its electrical system was able to operate the Talos and Terrier missile systems until the ship was decommissioned in the latter part of the 1950s. Last, the odd-ball *Alaska* class were not seriously considered for bombardment. They were not economical to operate. They could not be converted to use helicopters (mid ship hangar). Last, the 12" shell was not heavy, not like the killer 14" or 16" shell.
@paladamashkin8981
@paladamashkin8981 3 года назад
@@Easy-Eight iirc the Colorado and New Mexico classes had smaller crews then Alaska. Better electrical systems. And were very fuel efficient as you said because of their drives.
@SilentGamin102
@SilentGamin102 3 года назад
Ah, the colorado, the thicc but hurts a lot, 406mm slinging bb
@stefanussandi2879
@stefanussandi2879 3 года назад
Her class also the smallest of the Big 7
@karthus006
@karthus006 3 года назад
@@stefanussandi2879 Hence her nickname of Smolorado...
@gregglistrom2483
@gregglistrom2483 3 года назад
One of my great uncles was on the Colorado for the entire war. Part of the crew of turret 4.
@TerryDowne
@TerryDowne 3 года назад
I used to live next door to an ex-crew member of USS Colorado. He had a bumper sticker on his car which boasted of all the USN battleship records the ship had set: most operations participated in, most shells fired, etc.
@paladamashkin8981
@paladamashkin8981 3 года назад
She was a total beast.
@xa-38
@xa-38 3 года назад
Just recently I was along the St. Lawrence in New York and had a great conversation with a vet who served on her as a helmsman. Thanks for another great video.
@virtuesoflocusts9658
@virtuesoflocusts9658 3 года назад
Here are the lists of American Battleships that weren’t present at battleship row at Pearl Harbor during the December 7th 1941 Attacks. • USS Colorado BB-45 • USS New Mexico BB-40 • USS Mississipi BB-41 • USS Idaho BB-42 Which also Includes the New York Class battleships. That weren’t present at battleship row.
@RangaTurk
@RangaTurk 3 года назад
That is a formidable quartet of ships. In the interim, two for the Atlantic, two for the Pacific. Not forgetting the industrial capacity to build more. But aircraft carriers took priority. For nations with tighter budgetary constraints, submarines and fast torpedo boats may suffice in the era of World War Two.
@gregorywright4918
@gregorywright4918 3 года назад
The USS Utah (BB-31, Florida-class) was there, but as a training ship without main guns. They Wyoming and Arkansas were also not there, one as an East coast training ship and the other escorting Atlantic convoys.
@gregorywright4918
@gregorywright4918 3 года назад
@@RangaTurk My understanding was that the three New Mexicos were all on the East coast with the Neutrality Patrol, while the Colorado was in major refit in Puget Sound. All four joined Task Force One out of San Francisco to "protect the West coast".
@RangaTurk
@RangaTurk 3 года назад
@@gregorywright4918 That's right because the IJN was a far greater threat than the Kriegsmarine surface navy was but I always had the USS Reuben James in mind and like to workshop ideas for a successful Dieppe raid. Sure you could use RN battleships or a monitor class but battleships of this caliber are great for shore bombardment. But with so many U-boats in action in 1942 and with the Atlantic Ocean resembling an extremely wide river compared with the Pacific Ocean it is risky to use them in this theatre given what just had happened at Pearl Harbor.
@RangaTurk
@RangaTurk 3 года назад
@@gregorywright4918 Speaking of training ships you might have already seen the new video on the old ironclad USS Boston from 1884 that was kind of used as a classroom by the US Navy in World War Two.
@cming9423
@cming9423 3 года назад
She earned a very good reputation with the Marines for her willingness to close to point blank range with Japanese shore batteries. Catching Hell and delivering same.
@brad506th
@brad506th 2 года назад
My wife's grandfather served on the Colorado. It was such an honor to be able to hear his first hand experiences during the war. One was about a Marine giving him a Japanese flag. My mother-in-law recorded some of his stories for a historical preservation project. Sadly he passed in 2017 shortly after attending a shipmate reunion in Fredricksberg, TX. Which was nice he got that oppurtunity.
@douglaseuritt3919
@douglaseuritt3919 Год назад
My maternal grandfather was a marine on board her. I have many artifacts and his log book from his service in WWII and I was lucky to have him as a mentor and friend. Simper Fi Christian Augustus Barker… 🫡
@robertf3479
@robertf3479 3 года назад
Excellent and on point as usual Drach. Poor old Colorado, not the prettiest lady at the ball but the dependable one you could count on being there when you needed her.
@leandersearle5094
@leandersearle5094 3 года назад
IIRC, her bell is preserved in Colorado Springs.
@sir_dreadlord_on_blitz7042
@sir_dreadlord_on_blitz7042 3 года назад
I genuantly enjoyed Colorado in WoWs
@1977Yakko
@1977Yakko 3 года назад
It's amazing how inadequate the AA armament was on so many ships at the early stages of WWII compared to their bristling like a agitated porcupine by wars end.
@Easy-Eight
@Easy-Eight 3 года назад
Nations that had millions of people on the verge of starvation during the Great Depression usually don't have luxuries like an extensive anti-aircraft suite on warships. In 1933 the USS *Lexington* & *Saratoga* came *that* close to being abandoned at a naval pier to rust. Little advertised was at the height of the Great Depression the US military went for a few months without pay.
@HockeyGoon939
@HockeyGoon939 3 года назад
@@Easy-Eight The US military went through that again in the 1970s under Jimmy Carter. Ship were left to rust and soldiers went without pay.
@Easy-Eight
@Easy-Eight 3 года назад
@@HockeyGoon939 , I was there. The only big mistakes that were made was not enough budgeting was done for spares and the training environment was lacking. Nobody missed a pay day. LOL. BTW, more F-15, F-16, and US Naval aircraft were purchased during Fiscal 1978, 1979, and 1980 than any other post Vietnam period. I didn't like Carter but he killed the B-1 program for the excellent ALCM system that formed the offensive capacity during the 80s to the 00s. I'm a libertarian, didn't like Carter (hate baseline budgeting) but he had some fair programs.
@kmech3rd
@kmech3rd 3 года назад
The bow on the Colorado in the opening picture looks badass.
@onecertainordinarymagician
@onecertainordinarymagician 3 года назад
When I play Colorado in wows I always thought I am full speed ahead when it's just wind blowing against the oversized hull.
@robertf3479
@robertf3479 3 года назад
I've never played the Colorado, I heard so many derogatory things about her that I took advantage of a wealth of Free XP to skip from T6 to T8 and the North Carolina. I may just rectify that and go back and add her to the fleet.
@jayvee8502
@jayvee8502 3 года назад
@@robertf3479 Nooo.. Don't go that path. We already know how it was a hard grind from Colo to NC.
@matthewwilson5019
@matthewwilson5019 3 года назад
@@ramal5708 what are some examples of those type of games? i love naval and ship games
@Kevin_Kennelly
@Kevin_Kennelly 3 года назад
This type of '5 Minute Guide', the ones concerning WW2-Era USN ships, make me sad. They tell the stories of fighting ships. Ships where our grandparents served, fought, suffered and died. Don't get me wrong. I'm glad that Grandpop survived the war. What saddens me is that the guides mostly end the same way. "Scrapped".
@Easy-Eight
@Easy-Eight 3 года назад
I've been on over a half dozen USN museum ships. That's *Texas, Lexington, Kidd, Alabama, Silversides, North Carolina, Yorktown, Edson,* and many other smaller ships. Scrapping is almost a clean death. A museum submarine in New Jersey was neglected and will have to be scrapped. One of the submarines by *Yorktown* is too rusted to salvage, it will be scrapped. *Texas* is state run and it nearly sank, rust never sleeps. It's current restoration will cost the state millions and that's money better spent elsewhere. *Enterprise* and *Washington* should have been preserved on the Potomac river by Washington, D.C. Battleship *Texas* was given to the named state. Technically, it's the only state owned warship.
@panachevitz
@panachevitz 3 года назад
plowshares into swords and back into plowshares. I know people want to keep everything military, but if you have a plethora of old stuff it loses its uniqueness. Rallying to save the last survivor of a class of vessel will get more support than having another 2 dozen versions floating around. Plus it's not like there is an infinite supply of private dollars that are going to be allocated to preservation. How many museums face trouble keeping wartime constructed ships afloat 80 years later? Answer: it's more than you think.
@phaasch
@phaasch 3 года назад
One positive- at least it's never going to be in danger of sinking.
@matthewwilson5019
@matthewwilson5019 3 года назад
@@panachevitz thankfully i belive all 4 of the Iowa class BBs were saved
@garnettpatton1737
@garnettpatton1737 Год назад
USS 680 USS Melvin one of the highest decorated destroyers of WW2. She was the only destroyer of the war to sink a Japanese battleship Fusa. I think you can get a good story from this ship. Please consider her.
@BobSmith-dk8nw
@BobSmith-dk8nw 2 года назад
Yeah ... me and 2 of my war gaming buddies played a scenario with Great Naval Battles en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Naval_Battles where the US had the 3 Colorado's and a Pennsylvania - and the Germans had the two Bismarcks and the Scharnhorsts. I don't remember the cruisers. The problem for the Germans was that Tirpitz took a steering hit early on - and they had to either abandon her to use their speed advantage or hang with her and tough it out. The 16" guns really made a lot of difference. .
@tfs203
@tfs203 3 года назад
Wouldve been interesting to see a Colorada and a Nagato go at it.
@tfs203
@tfs203 3 года назад
@@ramal5708 OK? What does a Nelson Class have to do with those Ships, besides having 16"/45 main guns? Nelsons are only really comparable to the Richelieu Class.
@tfs203
@tfs203 3 года назад
@@ramal5708 Oh, I know! I run into atleast 1, everytime I get to check my replies. I usually just erase it, and forget about it. If they are obviously far-left liberal virtue signaling cucks, I may send them something I know will ruin their day, because they are emotionally unstable, and psychologically vulnerable.
@HockeyGoon939
@HockeyGoon939 3 года назад
@@ramal5708 The Nelson's armor is superior, their 16" guns were a disappointment. By the time WW2 rolled around the Nelson's were distinct in having the weakest 16" (Mk1) guns afloat. And still only having a 3 knot advantage in speed over the "slow" ships from WW1.
@bullreeves1109
@bullreeves1109 3 года назад
This will always be my Favorite US Battleship class.
@matthewwilson5019
@matthewwilson5019 3 года назад
this class and the Iowa class are my favorite ship classes
@TonyLS9A
@TonyLS9A 3 года назад
Thanks Drach. Fine, I will get back on her in World of Warships one more time. Great vid.
@hellhound47bravo3
@hellhound47bravo3 3 года назад
I think that you forgot to mention that the ships' mainmast was initially cut down in size, (similar to what was done to Maryland) before it was eventually replaced by a low prefabricated tower later in the war.
@bkjeong4302
@bkjeong4302 3 года назад
One of the most underrated classes.
@nnoddy8161
@nnoddy8161 2 года назад
Too slow to be any good in any BB engagement.
@kv_5_gtpa657
@kv_5_gtpa657 3 года назад
Maybe we could get USS Maryland review and fill out the Colorado trio?
@bullettube9863
@bullettube9863 3 года назад
The Colorado class, like all American battleships had a top speed of 21 knots, though they could be pushed a bit faster. US Navy doctrine wasn't about speed, protection and gun power was more important. What good did it do you to get to point "A" first if you couldn't hold that point? Which is the very definition of naval power; the ability to control an area of ocean against your enemies. The Colorado would have made short work of the Bismark at long range with her 2550 pond shells, while still being protected against the Bismark's puny 15in shells. While slower then the Queen Elizabeth class by a mere two knots, bigger guns, better torpedo and deck protection, and a longer range meant the Colorados were the superior ship.
@paladamashkin8981
@paladamashkin8981 3 года назад
The Colorado was artificially limited to 21. During initial speed trials she made 23.5. The navy had them slow it down. In 1944 after war upgrades increased her weight by almost a third and the additional bulges were added she could still make 21 without engine upgrades.
@bullettube9863
@bullettube9863 3 года назад
@@paladamashkin8981 Amazing isn't it? The doctrine of a homologous fleet with no ship faster then the others was literally written in steel! But it paid off in the 1940s.
@gregorywright4918
@gregorywright4918 3 года назад
The point of higher speed was the possessor could control the battle range, keeping the initiative over the slower ship and seeking a "crossing of the T". The Bismark could keep out of her range if desired, or dash in and out. The QE's speed differential was only 1-2kts in reality.
@davidharner5865
@davidharner5865 Год назад
Thank you, few understand that the RN never armoured a ship against 14" (fourteen inch!) shells until KGVs and hmIJN only so armoured Yamatos. Everyone can run from you, AND SHOULD!
@bullettube9863
@bullettube9863 Год назад
@@gregorywright4918 If this is true why didn't the Bismark increase it's speed when engaging the Hood? Yes the Hood was just as fast, but the Price of Wales wasn't. Speeding away would have increased the range and changed the trajectory of shells and thus thrown off Bismark's accuracy. The US Navy actually experimented in fleet maneuvers with some ships going faster and others weaving, and it resulted in loss in accuracy. Thus the benefits of simply holding the line with all the ships moving at the same speed always resulted in more hits. This thinking was the same as the line of battle adopted by sailing ships! Today with computer controlled fire controls and long range smart missiles, maneuver at speed is the better tactic, but in WW1 and WW2 it wasn't.
@BlackMasterRoshi
@BlackMasterRoshi 3 года назад
looks so damn cool
@Uncle_Neil
@Uncle_Neil 3 года назад
She lost 43 men off Tinian, ought to have been mentioned.
@wazza33racer
@wazza33racer 3 года назад
The crew were blessed.......they kept the bird cage masts, plenty of storage for chickens!!
@CTXSLPR
@CTXSLPR 3 года назад
I have a real soft spot for the Colorado after they removed the main mast ascetically. WeeVee was more functional but I have to say I like the original forward superstructure with the bare stub of the HD cage mast poking out of the time.
@jagsdomain203
@jagsdomain203 3 года назад
That bow is very pretty
@tonytrotta9322
@tonytrotta9322 3 года назад
A clipper bow! Yes, they are neat.
@The_Viscount
@The_Viscount 3 года назад
A shame none of the Colorado class survived as museums.
@mayuri4184
@mayuri4184 3 года назад
I like how she's smol in KanColle.
@ousou78
@ousou78 3 года назад
Small buck stacked. Praise Smolorado!
@captainobvious7153
@captainobvious7153 3 года назад
I think the USS Colorado and the USS Northampton are the coolest looking ship designs.
@spirz4557
@spirz4557 3 года назад
You forgot to mention that she also ran aground off the coasts if Diamond Shoals off Cape Hatteras, North Carolina, on 1 May 1927.
@luftwaffles1203
@luftwaffles1203 3 года назад
Been Waiting for this one for a Long time. Hello From Colorado Drach! Keep up the good work
@Sagebrushed1
@Sagebrushed1 Год назад
I love the dry land copy made in Colorado of the early 2 masted version
@roryvonbrutt7302
@roryvonbrutt7302 3 года назад
being a Colorado native I approve of this ! ! !
@23draft7
@23draft7 3 года назад
Another great video, right from the beginning till the end. Thanks for all your hard work and to making these for us to see and enjoy. Another A+.
@glrider100
@glrider100 2 года назад
Drach, any chance you can do a video on the USS Frankin? Be interested in a longer, more indepth story of her damage and her fight for her survival.
@agesflow6815
@agesflow6815 3 года назад
Thank you, Drachinifel.
@user-dj9qn5me7r
@user-dj9qn5me7r 6 месяцев назад
The big five so incredible
@johnsobaszko1700
@johnsobaszko1700 3 года назад
Is it just my imagination or do the standard battleships with the clipper bow have a lower bow? It always looks like they're diving into a trough.
@Voltstorm0207
@Voltstorm0207 3 года назад
@@ramal5708 that isn't opinion the Iowas were so long that was very much ttue
@stevevalley7835
@stevevalley7835 3 года назад
The Colorado class has provided hours of entertainment speculating on alternate treatments of the class. Drac didn't really note it, but the Colorados were a 1916 design. Maryland was laid down only days after the US entered WWI, but the other three were delayed until after the war, being laid down in 1919-20. This delay had the result of three of the class still building at the time of the WNT. West Virginia and Colorado were completed, in exchange for the two Delawares being scrapped/demilitarized, while Washington was used for target practice. One alternate scenario: the USN takes the same path as the Admiralty in cancelling outright the Colorados, for the same reasons the Admiralty cancelled their 1914 BB program. The same decision would also result in Tennessee never being laid down, and possibly California, on which little progress had been made, being cut up on the slipway to clear it for higher priority ships. Where would that leave the USN in 1922? None of the Tennessees or Colorados ever completed, and all the postwar South Dakotas and Lexingtons exceed treaty limits. Another avenue of inquiry is how could the Washington have been saved? It appears that the money spent modernizing the Floridas in the 1920s, equaled or exceeded the money it would have cost to complete Washington. So the US completes Washington, and scraps the two Floridas. If the UK complains, give them a license to build a third Nelson, but, as the RN is still well over it's tonnage limit, building another Nelson would require two Iron Dukes be scrapped. Similarly, if the Japanese demanded to be allowed to build another Nagato, they would have to scrap a Fuso or Kongo to make the tonnage available, so, net, they would gain little for all the money spent.
@TheCollector4570
@TheCollector4570 3 года назад
Great video as always Drach!
@nichtvorhanden5928
@nichtvorhanden5928 3 года назад
A new five minute guide thanks for it drach.
@thebigdrew12
@thebigdrew12 3 года назад
Can you cover the USS New Mexico? I think you'll get a kick out of her career.
@mrz80
@mrz80 11 месяцев назад
My wife's granddad served on Arizona in the 20s and 30s, and re-upped right after Pearl Harbor. He spent pretty much the entire war aboard New Mexico.
@tedgalacci8428
@tedgalacci8428 3 года назад
Decommissioned ships sometimes have remnants given over to their eponymous entities to be put on display. I think it would be a nice touch if that information was included in the final disposition of the ship.
@mr.goodpliers6988
@mr.goodpliers6988 3 года назад
This channel never disappoints!
@MrDavePed
@MrDavePed 2 месяца назад
In 1937 the Captain of the USS Colorado conducted an extremely poor flyover search for Amelia Earhart at Gardner Island. Even though three signal towers triangulated her transmission to be from that island, leaving little doubt she was there and in desperate need of immediate rescue as there was no water source on the island. I don't know who the Captain was at the time but he is a disgrace. He very likely could have saved her. Instead she was eaten by crabs. ..
@jfangm
@jfangm 3 года назад
I was just thinking "I hope Drach makes a Colorado video soon."
@danielcanfield8680
@danielcanfield8680 3 года назад
First time I've been this early, love your vids drach!
@LordEvan5
@LordEvan5 3 года назад
I have this cool lamp my great grampa made out of 5 inch shell he was n USS North Dakota
@06colkurtz
@06colkurtz 3 года назад
Colorado watched from Colorado
@davidwright9092
@davidwright9092 3 года назад
Poor Colorado :( she deserved better than neglect and scrapping
@alberttodora1656
@alberttodora1656 3 года назад
USS Shenadoah AD 26. Thanks
@markgarin6355
@markgarin6355 3 года назад
Interesting bow design.
@michaelanderson8186
@michaelanderson8186 3 года назад
"Clipper" bow was designed to be quite dry forward at all speeds. Although the Colorados were still slow in a tactical sense, they were operationally quite fast in that their sustained speed could be maintained in bad weather and they were good seaboats. Hence the whole flagship thing. Admirals don't like flying their flag on something that's likely to make them wet and/or "Technicolor Yawn".
@markgarin6355
@markgarin6355 3 года назад
@@michaelanderson8186 definitely different than the vertical or bulbous bows of other classes.
@frankgulla2335
@frankgulla2335 3 года назад
Thank you, a nice summary of Colorado's ~70-year life.
@thebutlersellsit
@thebutlersellsit 3 года назад
I have the Colorado in world of warships and I love her. Great video love learning about these great beasts keep it up
@ashman187
@ashman187 3 года назад
Nice, here in CO.
@richardw64
@richardw64 3 года назад
Glad to hear at least one US ship had a better wartime experience.
@turbowolf302
@turbowolf302 3 года назад
literally just got done with a match in the Colorado in World of Warships. Neat.
@buenapilapil5513
@buenapilapil5513 3 года назад
Same here
@mjbull5156
@mjbull5156 3 года назад
During a practice exercise for the invasion of Saipan the Colorado got hung up on an uncharted shoal off Kahoolawe in the Hawiian Islands. They had to wait until high tide to successfully move her off of it.
@hardcasekara6409
@hardcasekara6409 3 года назад
Colorado class might be slow but in a good position there guns do come in handy, shame getting into such position was hard for them unless it was an ambush or to shore bombard.
@lordjor96
@lordjor96 3 года назад
Smolorado
@crazyeyez1502
@crazyeyez1502 2 года назад
Any chance for a vid on the USS Maryland itself? You have to Co and the WVa already. Maryland is my homestate, and it would be awesome . Thanks mate. 🇺🇸🇬🇧
@mrz80
@mrz80 11 месяцев назад
Fightin' Mary deserves mention as the first US Navy ship armed with 16" guns, as she was commissioned before her sisters.
@jamesm3471
@jamesm3471 3 года назад
USS Colorado vs HMS Rodney, one-on-one, BB vs BB. Who wins?
@cadengrace5466
@cadengrace5466 3 года назад
It depends on when mostly. Nelson had some serious main gun issues until 1939, but these were mostly solved at that date. Colorado should be expected to perform better until that time. Between 1939 and 1942 Nelson probably has the upper hand. But, after Colorado got her improved fire control and radar in 1943, she would be once more ahead of the British ship. But, the differences between these two is not that great. Armor is roughly the same. Speed is not that different 12 vs 23. Nelson is a bigger target and Colorado has better guns and aiming. I would assume damage control was similar.
@arthurfisher1857
@arthurfisher1857 3 года назад
@@cadengrace5466 to the bigger target point, Nelson could, in theory, make itself a smaller target while maintaining the same broadside by virtue of its gun layout. Not sure how easy that was to do in practice however.
@cadengrace5466
@cadengrace5466 3 года назад
@@ramal5708 Possibly, but they are very short ranged torps and the USN was thinking that 25,000 was a battle range that might drop to 20,000 in this period. The British thought more like 18,000 dropping to 10,000. It is unlikely torps would play any role.
@cadengrace5466
@cadengrace5466 3 года назад
@@ramal5708 Not really, Nelson was a bit of a pig on the rudder. She wallowed. On the other hand the turbo-electric drive on the Colorado was extremely responsive to changes in speed and direction and the Colorado was a much shorter ship. Colorado could dance around Nelson and Nelson, like all British ships lost 1 to 2 knots in service, Her 23 knots was probably no more than Colorado's 21 knots in service.
@cadengrace5466
@cadengrace5466 3 года назад
@@arthurfisher1857 Very hard to get your enemy to line up just right and stay there - ask Hood. More than likely this is a small angle off of beam in a slugfest. In that case, the 9 guns of Nelson may fire less, not more. Usually when a turret falls out of the firing chain all of the guns do. Nelson's guns were wonky for a long time and only got up to ok, Colorado had sniping rifles by comparison.
@rcwagon
@rcwagon 3 года назад
Another excellent Warship Guide. Thanks Drach!
@daniel-it2lw
@daniel-it2lw 2 месяца назад
i wish the kept at least one of this style of battleship,
@Bill23799
@Bill23799 2 года назад
When the Colorado was involved in the bombardment of Tinian why was she cruising within range of the shore battery 155mm guns? Why didn't she stand out of range of the shore batteries and destroy them with her 16" main guns which have a much longer range,?
@johnforsyth7987
@johnforsyth7987 3 года назад
Love your channel. I really appreciate how you make history fun. As a former history teacher. I know this is not as easy as some people might think. I also love your sense of humor. How about a video on the USS Jimmy Carter. The only current ship in the US Navy named after a US President that is not an aircraft carrier. Which is particular as President Carter graduated from the US Naval Academy.
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins 3 года назад
there's always that one ship, perennially in need of a refit and never to receive it
@paladamashkin8981
@paladamashkin8981 3 года назад
Yet she sailed on through most of the war wearing her barrels out three times in support of the Marines and soldiers.
@gregorywright4918
@gregorywright4918 3 года назад
HMS Hood?
@davidharner5865
@davidharner5865 Год назад
New MeXicos got theirs, although did not get a speed increase for some reason, Tennessees should have been next, then...
@brenryan1
@brenryan1 3 года назад
I've never heard someone pronounce it the-at-tre before, it gets me every time
@stephenrickstrew7237
@stephenrickstrew7237 3 года назад
Thanks for another get episode …!
@jamesbrowne6351
@jamesbrowne6351 3 года назад
You'd think that the state of Colorado would somehow try to save her by providing docking space for a ........oh I see nevermind.
@gregorywright4918
@gregorywright4918 3 года назад
Well, there's the Colorado River, maybe she could have sailed up... oh, yeah, Hoover Dam, nevermind.
@paladamashkin8981
@paladamashkin8981 3 года назад
I always thought a 1:1 scale museum of her would be awesome. Especially if future people found it in the mountains.
@mrz80
@mrz80 11 месяцев назад
Might have been a bit of a challenge getting her up the Colorado River past Hoover Dam... :D
@billc3278
@billc3278 3 года назад
Surprised she wasn't used for the endless cruiser battles in the Solomon's. Have you done a segment on the dazzle paint jobs ? I love the look they had !
@gregorywright4918
@gregorywright4918 3 года назад
Ships in the Solomons were often at high speed, and the Standards were oil hogs at anything over 15kts. Plus the tanker situation was tight.
@paladamashkin8981
@paladamashkin8981 3 года назад
Logs from the time and communications list the reasons for not using her as three fold. 1. Fuel transport could not have been as reliable as they would have liked. 2. The older functional BB were being held back to thwart any invasions of Hawaii or Midway as they did not believe the 1-2 carriers available could do it alone and with only daylight operations leaving large gaps in coverage. 3. There were not enough 16"HE shells available to supply NC WA CO and MD in any meaningful engagement until late January. For the period of July-December 1942, the Colorado and Maryland had only AP shells loaded. It was reported any use against smaller ships would have had to be done by New Mexico and Mississippi. As the had plenty of 14" HE.
@ut000bs
@ut000bs 3 года назад
Her sister, the West Virginia, tore up those Japanese BBs at Surigao Strait. I believe her other sister, the Maryland, never properlay acquired a target and ranged on her sister's shell splashes visually instead. Fire control radar the Old Ladies like Colorado had could use shell splashes to find range with no problems.
@johnshepherd8687
@johnshepherd8687 3 года назад
The results show that only works in theory as only the three Mark 8 equipped battleship actually hit anything at Surigao Strait.
@charlie15627
@charlie15627 3 года назад
Looking for that “pinned post“?
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