I am from Libya, and we have an infrastructure that is perhaps the worst in North Africa. It has collapsed for decades, since the days of Gaddafi. There is no maintenance of dams, especially the Derna Dam. There was a recommendation from a Swiss company that evaluated The condition of the dam in 2002, and a report was submitted that it was vulnerable to collapsing at any time, and the government did nothing. Likewise, the 2021 budget was allocated to repair and strengthen the dam, but it was not implemented for unknown reasons. This applies to the entire country. We in Tripoli suffer from pools of water if it rains for half an hour for this matter. It could have been overcome with very few casualties if we were in a respectable country
Oh how awful. I'm so sorry. These dams are ticking time bombs if they aren't maintained properly, and honestly I can't imagine that anything of the kind was foremost on the people's minds who are in charge. People in my own country don't think about what the government is supposed to do for people. They love to talk about cutting services and getting rid of parts of the government. It's the mundane things, the day to day things that are so important and since they are working, they are almost invisible. Even if they're not working well, they are still working in some way, so no one thinks of it. I read where a hydraulic engineer (Dr. Abdelwanees Ashoor from Omar Al-Mukhtar University) had recently published a paper about these very dams and said if something wasn't done, there would be death and destruction on an unimaginable scale. He was in the New York Times today and said he lost members of his own family. Knowing it was very likely to happen and nothing was done has to be absolutely devastating. My heart goes out to your entire country. I myself live downstream to a large dam and recently there were some concerns about it now that the weather is becoming more extreme. My area has always been flood prone, and we just had floods where you could see refrigerators and sheds floating down the streets. Obviously, nothing to compare at all with what you have been through, just that I know even a small flood in comparison can be life altering. Political instability just adds to the danger that any country faces. While this may be naive, I can only hope that out of this enormous loss your situation will change for the better. The average citizen suffers and it's not fair. My thoughts are with your people.
@@googlyeyedcat Nope. God NEVER promised to never send another flood. God promised to never send another flood that would destroy ALL the Earth. If you want to quote God then at least get it right. However, Jesus also taught us to be careful how we judge others who are killed in catastrophes. In one situation his disciples asked Jesus if a recent catastrophe that had killed dozens of people when a wall fell on top of them some years earlier was perhaps a judgement of God. His response was: ""Verily I tell you all, that unless all of you repent of your sins and be saved you shall all die as those men died that day."" Jesus was of course talking about the spiritual death in hell, cut off from God, that comes to every one of us if we are not REBORN as spiritual children to God's loving kingdom of Heaven. The same could be said to every nation of the dear victims at Derna, Libya or any other catastrophe anywhere around the globe. REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS PRESENT. GOD IS WAITING TO LOVE AND HEAL US ALL FROM OUR SINS SO THAT WE CAN BECOME HIS FRIENDS AND SONS AND DAUGHTERS TO INHERIT HIS GLORY FOREVER.
Emergency aid yes. But financial disaster aid NO! We help Ukraine and our own disaster victims. These Libyans, Marokkans, Turks side with Russia. The whole failed state Universal Human Rights violating often terror sponsoring African and Arab beggar Leages do by the way.. Besides: Your prophet or more precise profiteur and theocrat king and his royal kleptocrat Marokkan crime family own 100% of everything in Marokko and have more money in the bank that the annual Dutch and French GDP combined. Same with your libyan religious, political, oil and military class. So no can do. Pay for your disaster relief rebuilding yourselves Libya, Marrocco, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan etc etc. Implement sales and income tax. And stop the free ride taxation money laundering in you banks. Marokko has more billionaires than in all of the USA and USA combined. Same with Libya or Turkey etc. It is a tragedy these disasters, but the money needed to 'fix' it, Libya and Marokko got themselves in abundance these so-called 'poor' countries / global UN scams! Enough is enough! Besides when is the last time these rich fascist theocrat shithls gave us financial disaster aid or support?? Call the Saudies, gulfstate stinking rich failed state for €£$ aid ! Enough is enough!
Just jaw dropping catastrophic loss leaves me speechless. I can't help but wonder about the dams' maintenance and monitoring only because I live near the Oroville spillway in Northern California and we had a scare a few years ago it might fail. 🙏 Dear Libya I'm so sorry 💔
Sadly, your suspicions are correct. There was just an engineer who wrote a paper that explained how the dams were not being maintained properly and that if they failed, they would cause catastrophic destruction and death. The engineer said the dams, which were finished in the 1970s, weren't built with the desertification that's happened in mind. They weren't maintained well either. Right now there aren't many things we'd consider "government services" over there. They have a divided gov't with each of the two governments saying they are the right one, and fighting with each other to establish themselves as the one real gov't. They aren't expending money on things like dam maintenance or the welfare of the people, so there wasn't any kind of warning system or coherent messaging about whether to flee or stay. Very sad.
I think fixing the Oroville spillway cost nearly $1B. But it was seen as necessary. I suspect infrastructure money in Libya is being stolen by those in gov't. The 1900's world wide was democracy vs. communism. I think 2000's will be honest government vs. corruption.
Iraq and Libya were relatively affluent and developed countries despite being run by authoritarian despots. However, some world policeman decided to bring “democracy “ to these countries and helped toppled them. Now these countries are absolute hell holes totally torn with civil war and strife. Thank you World Policeman. No1 trouble maker in the world
I really hope they went in loaded with medical supplies to the gills and am glad they are listening to people tell about it. At one level this is journalism at another emotional firstaid and something that is incredibly valuable. may they make a difference.
Emergency aid yes. But financial disaster aid NO! We help Ukraine and our own disaster victims. These Libyans, Marokkans, Turks side with Russia. The whole failed state Universal Human Rights violating often terror sponsoring African and Arab beggar Leages do by the way.. Besides: Your prophet or more precise profiteur and theocrat king and his royal kleptocrat Marokkan crime family own 100% of everything in Marokko and have more money in the bank that the annual Dutch and French GDP combined. Same with your libyan religious, political, oil and military class. So no can do. Pay for your disaster relief rebuilding yourselves Libya, Marrocco, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan etc etc. Implement sales and income tax. And stop the free ride taxation money laundering in you banks. Marokko has more billionaires than in all of the USA and USA combined. Same with Libia or Turkey etc. It is a tragedy these disasters, but the money needed to 'fix' it, Libya and Marokko got themselves in abundance these so-called 'poor' countries / global UN scams! Enough is enough! Besides when is the last time these rich fascist theocrat shithls gave us financial disaster aid or support?? Call the Saudies, gulfstate stinking rich failed state for €£$ aid ! Enough is enough!
So Libya has become two failed states that are unable to handle the water input/output of a dam, resulting in a devastating apocalyptic situation. I wonder what has caused them to be so inadequate after being self-sufficient? Man-induced climate change is a factor, but Egypt received the same amount of rain. The greed of unevolved men for dominance and to exploit others is also a factor in this.
@@keithallen5795That's what matters. The very sustainable thing is destruction, simply because construction is going against the natural order. If you construct a structure that can withstand gravity, it will eventually collapse. As the solution, you resort to maintenance (fighting natural order). The destruction of human legacies by fellow humans can be even more devastating because the natural order is still present, leading to catastrophes of such magnitudes.
Emergency aid yes. But financial disaster aid NO! We help Ukraine and our own disaster victims. These Libyans, Marokkans, Turks side with Russia. The whole failed state Universal Human Rights violating often terror sponsoring African and Arab beggar Leages do by the way.. Besides: Your prophet or more precise profiteur and theocrat king and his royal kleptocrat Marokkan crime family own 100% of everything in Marokko and have more money in the bank that the annual Dutch and French GDP combined. Same with your libyan religious, political, oil and military class. So no can do. Pay for your disaster relief rebuilding yourselves Libya, Marrocco, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan etc etc. Implement sales and income tax. And stop the free ride taxation money laundering in you banks. Marokko has more billionaires than in all of the USA and USA combined. Same with Libia or Turkey etc. It is a tragedy these disasters, but the money needed to 'fix' it, Libya and Marokko got themselves in abundance these so-called 'poor' countries / global UN scams! Enough is enough! Besides when is the last time these rich fascist theocrat shithls gave us financial disaster aid or support?? Call the Saudies, gulfstate stinking rich failed state for €£$ aid ! Enough is enough!
@@cephasdaka7279NATO had absolutely nothing to do with Gadaffi's death. Libyans themselves rebelled against his regime and beaten him to death on the streets. Stop lying.
I witnessed what happened there. It was a disaster in every sense of the word. Friends, neighbors, and families died. I feel that I am not well, and sadness has taken over my heart. I cannot help praying for them.💔🇱🇾
Maybe that is the only thing that will bring them together. While it is absolutely awful, the only "good" (if you can call it that) outcome here would be for the whole country to be brought together and the government starts working for the people. It really brings to the front how important government is, and how the day to day things it does make huge differences in people's lives. Dams, roads, bridges, pipes, airports, mail services, all of those things are the backbone of any country and they don't matter until they don't work. We should learn a lesson in the US from this, which is that we need effective government to protect the people and allow us to live our lives normally. We should be thankful for what we have, and also thankful that we are finally starting to take care of the infrastructure here after decades of ignoring it. With the weather becoming more extreme all the time, we need to be vigilant about our systems and plans. And also, we should all make sure that if we can help the people in Libya that we do so. Find effective charities and send money if possible.
People are getting used to all the catastrophes happening. Jesus said when you see all these things happening at the same time, know he is near. The great battle will soon begin
Floods and natural disasters have been happening for thousands of years. This has nothing to do with Jesus and just the planet going through it's natural cycles.
Well the flooding bust 2 dams that basically released all the water they had which was about 24 million cubic litres at once on the city, so it was like a tsunami.
I remember checking my phone weather app when the rain was over Greece. Then i looked to the future prediction and saw it move to Libya. If i saw that ... then how did they not know? Just get people to higher ground for 1 day.
No weather forecast system. Apparently Libya does not care for its people. The dams were not maintained. A tragedy in the making. I wonder if any African nations or Middle East nations will help them. Tragic.
@@emmyo6678 i hope this can be used a clear warning to other nations in northern africa. Expect an entire year or rainfall in 1 day .. Fix those dried out rivers and fix the dams you think you don't need. Climate IS changing.
The rainfall floods didn't kill the people it was the dams busting that released a mini tsunami that wiped out a quarter of the city completely off the map. And it happened at night so no one saw it coming as the warning system was destroyed a decade ago by NATO bombing.
We believe as muslims that what ever happened to you whether it is good or bad in your eyes , it is written in your fate , even illnesses like cancer or covid , and God test you to see your patience and endurance . You will be rewarded in the here after for it. Helping these people is another chance for you to get reward and if you are poorer ,your reward is bigger .Allah tests people with money ,poverty ,sickness and health and see what we do in these circumstances . And we are told that in Quran ,so if you are a muslim , you should be thankful even in this situation @@TheBlackIdentety , may Allah forgive those who are dead and reward them with paradise and - for families - put peace , endure and accept what God has tested them with . life is short , you may die sleeping in your bed , plane crash ,or war as a baby ,in your 20s ,40 or 90s. Death as we muslims say, is the only truth.
I think it is a war zone, this world that we live in is like hell for so many people, sending ❤to all the living, and condolences ❤ peace to all living and dead ❤
No words can describe the pain and sorrow we, people of the world, feel in our hearts for Derna and all of Libya after this horrific and in many ways avoidable tragedy. First, the earthquake in Morocco and a few days later, this horrible catastrophe in Libya, and so many other disasters that have occurred around in the world in this year alone. Our hearts are broken for all of the lives and the families and communities lost, for all the non-human animals lost, for all the pain and trauma that are left behind. In moments like these, we are all united in our pain, we are all one and we wish both Morocco and Libya strength in rebuilding and growing stronger once again. So many need to be held accountable for this tragedy, May the victims rest in eternal peace and may survivors get the help they need to heal from this horrific nightmare. In every corner of the world, we are all thinking of you ❤
If you believe that there's a variety of "gods" for you to choose according to the circumstances, better not pray at all, it would be a waste of time... There is One God!
There was. In the NYT today I read where a hydraulic engineer named Dr. Ashoor just published a paper last year talking about how the dams weren't built for the type of weather extremes they face right now, and that they weren't being maintained in any case, and that this could lead to catastrophic outcomes. He lost some of his family this week. A Libyan from Tripoli up futher in the comments said a Swedish firm in 2002 checked out the dam and there were recommendations to fix it, and there was even money allocated in the budget but was never used for that purpose. That makes this whole thing so much worse.
Let's not even blame weather. This happened because of the damage suffered by the 2 dams that bust due to NATO bombing and they're was no proper government to fix them as NATO completely destroyed the country and left it at the mercy of the rebels. Atleast Obama had the shame to admit that Libya was his biggest mistake as president, though he needs to answer for what they did to a sovereign nation.
Jesus warned us this and many other horrors, will happen all over the Earth, right before he returns ... ...""to destroy them who destroy the Earth."" But he also told us to not be fearful, but to have faith and hope in Him, for all these things must happen before Heaven comes. And that he would be with us, God's children, every step of the way, even to the end of the world.
Hi Sheepy. Look up Lehina fire. Fire doesn't melt cars and leave bushes feet away. Are you gonna be a sheep and get programmed by propaganda your whole life? I thought so. Time for your daily booster, Sheepy. 📺💉🐑💀🪦🤡
@@bettyslawinski8265or you are saying that maybe just maybe lord forgot about those people and you are reaminding him that they need help, which is outrageous. How someone can be so arrogant reminding an omniscient god! that he caused deadly flooding and people need his help? Lord knows everything and does it for his own reasons so there is not point to remind him, not alone argue to change his mind, right? Or its all BS. In fact, a personal prayer can be explained scientifically, there is no magic in it. But no prayer will ever cure someone else human tragedy, no matter how much someone pray or how many people pray for same issue. It's just your wishful non-thinking.. And no, there is no hate, just desperatation how people can believe this nonsense in 2023. Especially Americans. It's very painful to see someone with so much opportunity to educate her/himself to say something like this.
Indeed...just curious..did it make you wonder why did the west shove Libya into anarchy by killing a dictator who was at least keeping order and in disasters like this there would have been one point of response for all the poor people who are now left without any support because of this western gift of anrchy. If you did then maybe it's better next time when some disagreement between govts. happen the public should require them to go out and do an old times duel. The sellers of war should die for themselves not the people of any side.
Someone said to me on another post that Libya does have meteorologists. But they did not know how strong it was to be. Well, if they don't utilize planes nor satellites, then they need to flood their weather patterns with more balloons! This level of devastation was avoidable. Then I was told people don't listen to the weather! Well, that's when city mayors/officials use bullhorns in the streets! This is so sad...
Of course they have meteorologists. They also have hydraulic engineers like Dr. Ashoor who wrote a paper describing what could happen since the dams weren't being maintained but he wasn't listened to by the government. I don't know if we can say most people there don't listen to the weather, although what we can say is that having warring factions in two parts of the country, each vying to be the only government, has led to a breakdown of services for the people. There was no warning system in place even though they were right there near two large dams that weren't built with this type of desertification in mind, nor the pounding rains that happen as a matter of course all the time there. I don't know that they are allocating money to weather services like planes or satellites, since they are really in the middle of a kind of civil war.
Yes, we have meteorologists. This is self-evident, just like any country in the world. Did you think that Libya, a country on Mars, for example, does not have meteorologists? Rather, we do have meteorologists. Otherwise, how is air traffic managed in the country? All that matters is that the population was warned beforehand. The accident happened and they told them that there was a disaster coming, but the residents ignored the warning, so what happened happened and thousands of souls ascended to their Lord
@@user-cn4qt9sq3ohe was killed by NATO backed and armed rebels and his entire military and infrastructure was bombed by NATO. Democracy doesn't look so good does it.
We are not a poor people. Do not imagine our lives like this. We are a people with a decent life and we live in a country that possesses the ninth largest proven oil reserve in the world. It is true that we may suffer from security chaos, but no Libyan lives in the open, and what happened in Derna is the result of the accumulation of government neglect of the dams and in general. Thank you for your kind words towards Libya
I don’t understand how a wealthy oil producing nation, member of OPEC and a country with one of the highest GDPs in Africa becomes the responsibility of European nations/ USA. Maybe if there was less corruption this wouldn’t be happening?
My sincere condolences to the families of the deceased....to those who were not paying attention for the last year thus far ... the Earth is reclaiming and reforming itself so as to rebalance the scale and as such humanity has to pay a high price for the neglect and attrosities we have caused to this planet. It is a sad day indeed.☹️😔
@@MrDXRamirez Cars have nothing to do with it. The sun is getting very slowly warmer. As it usually does in cycles of many centuries. Cooler and cooler then warmer and warmer and so on Back and Forth. The climate change is real but it is not nearly as bad as the hysterical elitist media is making it to be. The Earth WAS even warmer back in the Viking Age than it is now. After that it got cooler and cooler until about 1900 when it very slowly started warming up again. Don't be a silly lemming, enslaved to the trillionaire parasites' media propaganda tricks.
@@MrDXRamirez Yeah!!! I only accept super obvious facts from people who don’t drive cars! Logic not required... but it makes me feel morally superior.🫤
They were even unable to check the weather and give updste to the nation..corrupted leaders of Libya...its like doomsday now..i hope other countries take a lesson
Google Earth has imagery from 2023-09-12. Much of the danmage is clearly visible. It appears that the majority of it is because a city has been built up on a river delta. the main channel southwest of the city has been cut at least 80 to 150 meters into the ground, showing, that in the past, significant water flow has shaped the terrain. Areas other than the main channelhave also been flooded. This has happened before and it will happen agian. These events are to be expected.
A man saw newborn babies and children drifting so fast by the flood he said he heard their screaming and no one could help so he wished they die fast with no more pain or horror.. so heartbreaking.. it's so painful to just imagine that 😢 Some pets who escaped death are waiting for their families coming back in the remains of their houses .. many heartbreaking stories about whole families who were drifted within their houses or cars .. all prayers for them .
@@AT-zr9tv And he is about to unleash his full wrath which when finished will see 2/3 people dead, from starvation, disease and war. This world wide event is very close, Jesus our Lord is soon to return!
Condolences to the affected families, but Libyans should pray for forgiveness for killing their Leader by the help of France and NATO, as a Muslim country they even didn't give Kadafi a respected or proper burial, instead of that they kept his body and made fun of his dead body, the Gods are angry and it was Eastern part Libya that did this horrible act to Kadafi, these are the consequences, go and give him a proper burial and these wars and natural disasters will no longer occur. My suggestion or advice.
Weren't the tsunamis that caused absolute destruction the past couple decades only a few feet high? And this had 22ft out of nowhere?! 0_o I do hope there is video...I haven't seen any yet. EDIT - Rereading this makes it seem I'm doubting it lol......it's rather complete shock and terror that a 22ft wall of water appeared out of nowhere 0_o 😳
If someone tied that reporters hands together, she'd be mute....may be a good thing, a lot of useless waffling going on there. A terrible tragedy, reported on by a terrible reporter.
Mankind is amazing. It looks impossible. I guess you fish. The only food. The land looks empty.Your entire network of people just gone. I have no clue how to survive whats left. And in mourning?
Parachute FOOD and Water bottle stop making it hard on these people surviving in a flooded destroyed city. If any governing office opposes then they should destroy the governing building with those not helping their own people.
So devastating. Prayers to all. But they should learn to stop worshipping that false god so that these natural terrors that have been recently unleashed on all the countries that believe in an obviously false and dubious prophet as well as a false god would be quenched.
Once upon a time this country Libya is prosperous... But they choose their own fate. Khadaffy is gone and no more. praise to Obama, Hillary tiktok and their European collaborators. Sorry Libyans.
blessings and prayers are all good! but these people need material help right now!!!!! food, water, somewhere to sleep or rest for a minute!!! G20 group get off your arses and do the right thing.
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When Muammar Khadaffi was one of the world's biggest troublemakers, we left him alone for over 20 years. Then he unilaterally gave up his country's nuclear weapons development program, and we went after him, chased him out, had him killed, and left this country rudderless which it has been for the last 15 years. This is one of Madame Clinton's and Pres Obama's crowning achievements. As always, the little people scontinue to suffer
We will all die one day, we do not know how or when but that day is coming. What you do now will determine where you go once you die, it is all that matters. There is a heaven, "For where will the righteous go?" and there is a hell below, "For will evil be and will it ever cease?" (1 Peter 4:18). "But if it is unpleasing in your sight to serve the Lord, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD!" (Joshua 24:15). Life is uncertain but death is assured, CHOOSE life!
