Valair Dual Disc Clutch Install G56 Dodge Transmission

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Watch as Thoroughbred Diesel goes in depth on Valair Dual Disc clutch install on a 2010 Dodge Cummins with a G56 transmission. We go over everything from removing the stick shift to lifting out the transmission. This video is over 1 hour long and very in depth, enjoy!
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Chapters
0:00 Valair Dual Disc Clutch Install
1:11 Dual Disc Overview
1:53 Parts
2:38 Disc Assembly
5:20 Stick Shift Removal
10:10 Removing Drive Shaft
16:11 Transfer Case
18:09 Wiring Harness
22:34 Cross Member
24:36 Bell Housing Bolts
26:20 Dropping Transmission
29:04 Removing Clutch & Flywheel
35:16 Flexplate
36:02 Installing New Flywheel
39:35 Installing New Clutch & Flywheel
45:22 Throw Out Bearing
50:15 Checking Transmission
51:56 Installing Transmission Back
58:04 Transmission Cross Brace
1:00:20 Installing Transfer Case
1:01:34 Installing Drive Shaft
1:04:30 Stick Shift Installation
1:11:35 Master Cylinder Assembly
1:17:17 Pedals
1:18:44 Adjustments & Start-Up
1:20:20 Hydraulic Reservoir
1:20:50 Conclusion & Transmission Fluid
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@Cumminslife 9 лет назад

Great video guys, couldn't have explained it better myself!

@thoroughbreddiesel 9 лет назад

+Cummins life Thank you!

@yacoshaslam4443 4 года назад

I just want to throw in a couple tips. 1. Push UP on the alignment tool when tightening the pressure plate and continuously make sure it slides easily during the torquing process. 2. If you're engine tilts forward. Use a jack and a block of wood at the front of the engine to tilt the engine back down.

@DuzzDoet 6 дней назад

The best n most helpful video I’ve ever watched. To the point No BS about your vacation you just got back on or the freckle you had lanced off ur butcheek from the Neibors dog that bit you…. It’s hard to find good knowledgeable directly to the point videos so thx I appreciate ya made this job very smooth for me

@thoroughbreddiesel 6 дней назад

Glad it was helpful!

@ovalracer68 5 лет назад

Thank you so much for posting. This video is the absolute best reference there is for this project. I highly recommend this company. I bought my Valair from someone else before I found Thoroughbred Diesel but I will be buying a t shirt just to support them. Also I would like to add a few thing as I just completed the job on my 2015 3500 mega cab. I found it helpful to have all tools ahead of time. For a 2015 you will need 24mm wrench and deep socket for the trans cross member. The front driveshaft is 16mm or 5/8” for the t case flange and a box wrench works just fine. You will also need to remove the DEF tank and crossmember before you can pull the t case. Remember Do Not Pull Trans In With Bolts. Reposition trans jack and try again if you are having trouble. When the input shaft is lined up with the pilot bearing it WILL go in smoothly. Thanks again Thoroughbred Diesel!

@number40Fan 9 лет назад

Few things I would do different. Buy some zip ties that have the "Christmas tree" push pin end on them. Very useful when you break the push pin type clips on the wiring harnesses. Dropping the down pipe makes removal/install a lot easier. Gets that hanger out of the way Leave the alignment tool in the clutches until you have the nuts/bolts of the pressure plate more than hand tight. Pushing straight in on the tool while tightening the nuts/bolts. After torqueing the pressure plate, make sure that you can slide the tool in and out easily! If you can't, then it will be tough to get the input shaft of the transmission in. Grease the fork where the pivot ball, throw out bearing and slave touch it. For someone that doesn't do this often this will help the most. Take a bellhousing bolt down to the parts store and buy two new bolts that are about inch longer. Cut the heads off of the bolts. Screw in the two headless bolts at the 3 and 9 o'clock position of the bellhousing. This will help with getting the bellhousing, input shaft and dowels aligned perfectly. Google the Mobil Delvac 50 that he recommends. You might not be happy with it.

@SHNUCAU 9 лет назад

Making those pins is the best way to get the transmission lined up.

@SylasG 6 лет назад

That's such a good idea! Never would have thought of that.

@PSUKev 6 лет назад

Thank you so much for making this video. It walked me through my clutch install and left me with absolutely no questions throughout the process. Kudo's to you.

@thoroughbreddiesel 6 лет назад

Awesome! Glad to hear it helped you out.

@bmmaconley 11 лет назад

totally new respect for this clutch setup!!! Great work as usual TBD!

@Andy851 12 лет назад

You guys did a hell of a job! Few Mechanics are that thorough

@jitsu1986 11 лет назад

Great video!! Thanks for taking the time to help us out.

@burgerboy13 12 лет назад

Awesome video! I really appreciate the effort that went into this.

@jasonburch1 7 лет назад

Thank You for the fantastic video. It was very thorough and you gentlemen are very knowledgeable. I will be installing a Valair QG56DDSN this weekend.

@thoroughbreddiesel 7 лет назад

Thank you and good luck!

@jimkillen1065 Год назад

I have one of those clutches in my old second generation truck . It has a g56 also . It's a 4x4 . I really like the clutch. Nice and smooth . I raised the rpms a bit to help the idle noise . Thank you for the videos .

@thoroughbreddiesel Год назад

You're welcome!

@mauryanderson7158 4 года назад

When I do have to put a clutch in my truck, I will be ordering it from you because of this video. Thanks

@thoroughbreddiesel 4 года назад

Thanks! Happy to help. 😁

@randalllimburg1010 4 года назад

This video has greatly helped me in the last week. I was able to with the use of the brain God gave me, I was able to pull my Transmission and change the clutch and put it all back together as well as change the universal in the driveshaft without any help. The video definitely educated me enough to make sure that I was doing it correctly and of course trying to be safe at the same time. I appreciate this video and the time you took to make it.

@thoroughbreddiesel 4 года назад

Comments like this are why we continue to make videos!

@countrymankdx200 8 лет назад

These guys are the best very very helpful on the phone and there customer support and quality are outstanding i called and ordered a lift pump from them and from now on i am always getting my stuff from them i give the a 10 out of 10

@thoroughbreddiesel 8 лет назад

+countrymankdx200 Thank you. We really appreciate your kind and supportive comment.

@caddy4yaass88 5 лет назад

Even tho i got a single disk vid helped alot just got my clutch yesterday 9/7/18 got it in 9/8/18 orderd from you guys to. Thanks

@thoroughbreddiesel 5 лет назад

Thanks!

@bryanwanek46 7 лет назад

Really great video guys! Just did an Sinister EGR delete, Pusher Intake system, 5" exhaust, and Race Me tuner on my 2014 Ram 3500. That poor motor was so choked off by emissions BS! Not looking to "Roll Coal" as I think that gives average folks and the EPA a real good reason to hate us diesel lovers. But also don't believe cramming exhaust and soot into the intake is very good for any motor. You should have seen the grid heater! It looked like a 20 year old charcoal grill that had never been cleaned and this truck has less than 20,000 miles on it! Long story short. The truck has ridiculous power now on the second LOWEST power setting on the tuner. Enough so that the stock clutch can no longer hold on to the motor on moderate to hard acceleration. I will probably be ordering an aftermarket clutch soon and this video has me leaning in your direction. Thanks guys!

@thoroughbreddiesel 7 лет назад

Thank you for your kind words and we are glad to hear it was helpful. That is why we do them. :) If you are thinking about a new clutch this video may be helpful as well (see link below). ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-41PPej8U5JU.html

@christopherkesek1033 8 лет назад

These gentlemen are top notch!

@thoroughbreddiesel 7 лет назад

Thank you!

@falcon8553 3 года назад

Just noticed this video. I'm trying to learn about cummims diesels and this particular transmission. Excellent vid!

@thoroughbreddiesel 3 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@gregorymckannan 7 лет назад

awesome video

@jameschrisdavis 10 лет назад

These guys are great. Thankfully they are local to me so I can let them do the heavy lifting!

@thoroughbreddiesel 10 лет назад

Thx! We are at: 4843 Rockwell Rd. Winchester, KY 40391

@g6rida07 9 месяцев назад

Awesome! Very informative!

@thoroughbreddiesel 9 месяцев назад

Glad it was helpful!

@James-Orr 10 лет назад

Appreciate your time in educating us on this! Im about to have to do one on my dads 08 which is the same set up. Thanks again!

@bdpheavygame 2 года назад

Big thanks from Frankfort Ky

@EZkill5 5 лет назад

have you guys installed any southbend clutches on 4th gen rams that have the factory auxiliary switches? the fuse box for them is right where the instructions say to mount the new hyd. reservoir and leaves basically no room to mount the thing.

@AllStateTR 2 года назад

Fyi I have done a clutch on a 16 without pulling the transfer case. We didn’t pull the unit all the way we just scooted it back just far enough to replace the clutch then scooted the whole thing back in.

@walla2k594 6 лет назад

I didn't see where you supported the engine itself. Isn't this necessary to avoid too much pressure on the motor mounts?

@tonyturner779 5 лет назад

what are the TQ specs for the crossmember, bellhousing bolts to enging? Drive shaft flange bolts? No one has them listed where i can find.

@UnknownProductions0 4 года назад

any reason to remove the transfer case other than to make handling the trans easier? i want to try to do it without removing it. that being said, is there a gasket or anything to seal the transfer case to the trans?

@dylanfleming2903 9 месяцев назад

Thank you!!!

@thoroughbreddiesel 9 месяцев назад

You're welcome!

@davidanderson8469 3 года назад

Is there a sound comparison out there with Valair's quiet model?

@justinhetrick5864 4 года назад

Have any of the aftermarket clutch companies made a single mass flywheel that bolts onto the stock "flex plate"? It would make installation a lot easier.

@RecordSizedStudios 7 лет назад

I also have a question I have an nv4500 with the dual disk valair organic clutch. has maybe 35 miles on it. When I start releasing the clutch and it finally grabs a little bit. it is shuddering way bad. is this normal until I break it in?

@yourbuddyrook 5 лет назад

Great video! I’m about to install this clutch in my G56 and this was awesome to watch before I tackle it. Is there much difference in the disassembly on a truck that has a shifter transfer case?

@thoroughbreddiesel 5 лет назад

Thank you! Should be the same. On the inside, I believe there is one more bolt under the 4wd shifter to loosen up the shifter cover.

@guyconnell2250 3 года назад

great video. Step by step. As an aside, I gotta laugh at torque specs sometimes. For example, who came up with the ubiquitous 89 inch lbs. And, in this case, why not just an even 100 lb/ft LOL.

@bogey_master 3 года назад

Does the clutch make noise when the pedal is pressed or when you are in neutral pedal released? He says clutch pedal released and in neutral makes noise, but I just installed mine this weekend and all the noise comes when I push the clutch pedal in. Now I’m worried the throw out bearing is bad.

@zack2008100 4 года назад

Was this there “quiet version”?

@thugtopia 7 лет назад

i'm having trouble taking out the shifter i think it's cus of the alignment dowels, any tips you guys can give me? you made it look so easy haha

@thoroughbreddiesel 7 лет назад

That shifter should come right out. If you are having a problem getting it out you can give us a call and we can talk through it, once we figure it out we can post the resolution on here.

@milton2103 Год назад

Amazing video/info guys! You guys don’t happen to know the exact bolt size for bell housing?

@thoroughbreddiesel Год назад

Thanks! I think, M16-1.5 and probably 2 “ inches long?

@patricklutskas4880 2 месяца назад

Great Video, helped a ton with my install! now I'm noticing it's hard to drop in to 1st, 2nd, and reverse from a complete stop. Any tips on what this could be? Is there any adjustment I can do to make it drop into gear easier at a stop?

@thoroughbreddiesel 2 месяца назад

Thanks. Did you replace the hydro when you did the install? If not, I would start with hydro. Some trucks when you do a dual disk install its hard to get into 1st gear, to help with that, I always go to a gear that I know it will fall into, then come back to the gear that I want. It stops the rotation and makes it fall into gear.

@brentmcmahon8188 3 месяца назад

I’ve only heard one duel disco clutch and I would not want that in my truck and a guy I know has one and it’s so dam loud it rattled like crazy I could not stand that sound at all and I don’t know what brand it was a south bend or a valair don’t know and that’s been couple years ago so they might have got the quieter now I don’t know my 05 3500 still has the factory clutch and still doing fine and pure stock power and factory size tires .

@hotshottransport945 4 года назад

I got a 17 ram G56 i do hotshot car hauling and haul about 20-25k pounds. Already had some parts replaced like the 5th and 6th gear synchronizer. Was wondering if you knew any places that sell beefed up g56 cases and heavy duty gears? Ive seen some on google thers several companies that sell them just not sure which 1 to go with. Was wondering if you knew a a good place that sells them? If you or anyone could help me out that would awesome!

@mediajunkie2195 8 лет назад

Great video. I didn't see you fill the grease slot on the inner bore of the throw out bearing with grease. Are the Valair supplied throw outs pre filled?

@thoroughbreddiesel 8 лет назад

Yes, the bearing is a sealed, no serviceable bearing.

@mediajunkie2195 8 лет назад

+Thoroughbred Diesel I Meant the fill slot on the inside of the slide bore. Did you grease?

@mediajunkie2195 7 лет назад

Just installed a Valair clutch. Supplied release bearing inner slot was not pre-packed with grease. Highly recommend otherwise with time rust and friction on guide tube causing extreme pedal pressure.

@DaddyPhatSnack 6 лет назад

Better Quality video is the only complaint

@thoroughbreddiesel 6 лет назад

This is one of our older videos from over 5 years ago. Our video quality is much better now.

@possumpopper89 3 года назад

You mention adding an extra quart above the fill hole on the transmission. Where do you add the oil? If the oil already is at the fill hole, is there another hole to add oil? Or do you remove the shifter and add it there?

@JG-sq1bs 7 месяцев назад

Last quart goes in through shift tower.

@damianmclean6613 8 лет назад

question, is it okay to put Mobil delvac 50 transfer case ? I changed my G56 fluid to delvac and I have 3 quarts left.

@thoroughbreddiesel 7 лет назад

I can’t make that recommendation. We suggest you use you mfg recommended fluid or something comparable. May want to reach out to the Tcase MFG and see if that would be a suitable fluid.

@UncleMikeH 3 года назад

About to drop the trans tomorrow to install a southbend. I was leaning towards bringing the trans/t-case out together as one. Any thoughts from anyone that has done it?

@thoroughbreddiesel 3 года назад

It can be done both ways. We find it easier to remove Tcase.

@allincamo 6 лет назад

watched another video on this, and guy did ue a lube on the input shaft....?.... Where here he wipes it clean...?... has one thinking, is it a coin toss ?

@gcruz9651 7 лет назад

so if you gotta change the rear main seal do you just knock it in or do you have to use a rear main seal installer?

@thoroughbreddiesel 7 лет назад

On the Cummins, you can remove the rear housing and just bolt up a new rear main assembly. Give us a call and we can walk you through it.

@Adrian00702 10 лет назад

I just had a southbend dual disc clutch installed into my nv4500 transmission. Before it was very smooth an easy to shift, but now you have to muscle it into every gear and the clutch pedal is also much harder to press. A larger input shaft was also installed and many people on cummins forum are saying its shifting hard because there was no graphite put onto the input shaft. Is this the case? Southbend says no lubrication of any kind, but Valair says its a good idea. Thoughts?

@boomer1049 10 месяцев назад

Crickets😂

@claytonmontague1970 4 года назад

Just finished replacing a valair triple disk with the valair dual disk in my G56 and now the starter will not engage the flywheel. What am I missing?? Thanks in advance.

@thoroughbreddiesel 4 года назад

Did you remove the crank spacer from the original flywheel?

@kanakamaoli9642 4 года назад

Dude, you did this the hard way, should have remove that inspection plate and unbolted the dual mass and taken the hole thing out with the transmission. Installation is super easy if you assemble the clutch on the table and slip it over input what and reinstall, easy, did mine by myself on the floor I don't have a car lift.

@Th3MoistGoat 2 года назад

If you upgrade your clutch like in this video, your method isnt possible.

@MarioHernandez-if9hg 4 года назад

Why does it do that noise

@a_welder_from_alabama_3002 7 лет назад

is the g56 trans have an 11in or 13in clutch? I have a ram 3500 with the 6 speed

@thoroughbreddiesel 7 лет назад

13”

@JG-sq1bs 7 месяцев назад

Will a 2006 5.9 with G-56 Have the back pressure lines mentioned?

@thoroughbreddiesel 6 месяцев назад

No, only the 6.7’s.

@charleshung8519 7 лет назад

great video! how many hours would you say this job should take for an experienced mechanic with a helping hand

@thoroughbreddiesel 7 лет назад

First timers, even experienced mechanic, probably right at about 6 hours total.

@quinalex98 6 лет назад

Hey do you guys have a video on a 5.9 dodge truck of replacing the clutch of g56

@thoroughbreddiesel 6 лет назад

The process will be pretty much the same. A couple differences on the interior but nothing major.

@quinalex98 6 лет назад

+Thoroughbred Diesel thank you

@TheTLassiter 10 лет назад

the only problem with this video, is that instead of using Loctite on the flywheel bolts you should be using a slight film of motor oil.

@dannydyer9961 5 лет назад

Who the hell goes from a gasser to a coal roller and dosent want noise? Thats half the fun of owning a diesel

@robiscrupe7694 11 месяцев назад

hi guys i have a 2013 ram 2500 with the 6.7 l cummins and i want to know if you have to remove the transfer case to get it out i have that clutch kit in my truck but my throw out bearing exploded now im tearing it back apart my question to you is can you use a stock bearing from the store or is yours a better bearing in the kit or a stronger bearing im a second owner of this truck and this was put in over 5000 miles ago by the first owner and im wondering what he did wrong to this bearing i drive it to work everyday not towing heavy just a daily driver now can you help me figure it out and maybe ill buy my next kit from you guys

@thoroughbreddiesel 10 месяцев назад

To get the trans out you don’t have to remove the transfer case (TC), but I find that the install is a lot easier without the weight of the TC there. The throwout bearing that’s included in all of our kits is heavy duty but it’s the same size as the stock throwout bearing. If you buy one from a parts store, just make sure what you purchase is of good quality.

@MrFanman43 7 лет назад

This whole video, all I wanted the main guy to say was "10-4, Rubber Ducky!"

@thoroughbreddiesel 7 лет назад

lol

@leonardrice2830 5 лет назад

Ugh! That dual mass flywheel even sounds junky & clunky when you just put it on the ground! What nonsense.😑 I've a 2018 Ram 3500 G56 Tradesman 4x4 with about 9k miles and have every intention of replacing the factory dual mass with a quality single mass, single disc clutch.😃 Nice video! 👌

@thoroughbreddiesel 5 лет назад

Thanks!

@broskis80 3 года назад

Does that upgrade hydraulics makes it softer pedal or what? I already ordered braided hose and metal cylinders kit. Is that be ok to use with that clutch?

@thoroughbreddiesel 3 года назад

The upgraded hydraulics really don’t affect the pedal feel, that’s more of a aspect of the pressure plate clamp load. If you are using upgraded hydraulics just make sure that your slave and master have the correct specs.

@broskis80 3 года назад

@@thoroughbreddiesel do you know about any vacuum assist clutch pedal add on for the ram?

@thoroughbreddiesel 3 года назад

I haven’t heard of anything like a vacuum assist for the light duty RAM’s.

@danielcoronado909 3 года назад

Hey, so I bought a 2002 Dodge Ram 3500 recently with a valair dual clutch and when I take off uts kinda jumpy/aggressive when barely taking off is that normal?

@thoroughbreddiesel 3 года назад

A correction for that is usually traction bars..

@danielcoronado909 3 года назад

Thoroughbred Diesel yes I have traction bars in front and back, and another thing sometimes when taking off it squeals at the beginning (3 seconds) does that mean maybe clutch going out

@OregonBeadHand 11 лет назад

What do you guys charge to put a dual disc like this in?

@thewalpoles1801 5 лет назад

Jason Davenport your a phony

@alejandronunez8232 8 лет назад

How much money would something like this cost in a f350 6.4 manual, to hold those 210hp-300hp tunes

@thoroughbreddiesel 8 лет назад

+Alejandro Nunez Yes, Valair makes a Spring hub dual disk billet flywheel dual disk clutch that will hold 650HP, the also have a smoother engaging organic face dual disk clutch that will hold up to 550HP. I would suggest the 650HP clutch, it is $1,395.00. Give us a call at 866 737 4966 and we would be glad to get you one!

@alejandronunez8232 8 лет назад

+Thoroughbred Diesel which one make the less noise when the clutch is off on neutral

@thoroughbreddiesel 8 лет назад

+Alejandro Nunez Both of the clutches will make more noise than a single disk, but it is bearable. This is a necessary evil to hold the amount of horsepower you have.

@xOxAnArChYxOx 7 лет назад

I have a dual disc Valair in my g56 and it won't totally disengage. I've had it torn apart and everyone tells me it's normal but I don't feel that possible. Can you help?

@thoroughbreddiesel 7 лет назад

What do you mean by “won't disengage”? Are you saying that with the trucks clutch pushed in that the truck still tries to pull itself? If you are talking about the noise when the clutch is pushed in, then yes, it is normal.

@xOxAnArChYxOx 7 лет назад

Thoroughbred Diesel not talking about noise. bare with me... facing up a steep hill makes putting the truck in first quite difficult. facing steeply downhill will allow it to disengage ( stick clicks into first effortlessly). now, to prove my point, on fflat level ground, I'll put the truck in first and pull it right bask out of gear but only far enough that I don't go past the synchronizers, then, push gently forward and the gears grind. this cannot be duplicated if the truck is on a steep downgrade.

@xOxAnArChYxOx 7 лет назад

I dont know why my phone threw "thoroughbred diesel" in there first...

@xOxAnArChYxOx 7 лет назад

it also cannot be duplicated in other cars and trucks...

@thoroughbreddiesel 7 лет назад

Will the truck go into 2nd, uphill, easily? If so, if you put it in second and then go to 1st will it go easier?

@JohnYoshii 7 лет назад

just finished this clutch on a 2012 and when I press the clutch pedal nothing happens. the engine rpms shift. but there's no sound to show the clutch is disengaging. I tried putting it in reverse and it seemed to go which makes no sense of how that would be possible. it didn't do anything when it seemed to be in reverse and I let go of clutch pedal. I'm lost on what the problem can be.

@thoroughbreddiesel 7 лет назад

Is the truck trying to pull itself when you put it into gear? What happens when you put the truck in gear and release the clutch? More info needed. You are welcome to give us a call so that we can help you tech. 866 737 4966

@JohnYoshii 7 лет назад

Thoroughbred Diesel thankyou for the response. after pulling a bunch of shit I ended up figuring out the clutch was too high up. I adjusted it so that it's lower and it's driving now. it doesn't seem to catch right so I think I have to fine tune it. it begins to catch about 3 inches from bottom but doesn't fully let go until pretty much at the top. it's quite when pressed. some chatter when not pressed. I'm guessing I just need to keep adjusting until I find the sweet spot?

@JohnYoshii 7 лет назад

Thoroughbred Diesel it is pretty far down right now below the brake pedal. there is maybe an inch and a half to two inches where it's actually grabbing. the first little bit it's just barely moving the truck. is that just have to break in? it almost feels like two stages of the clutch pedal

@thoroughbreddiesel 7 лет назад

When you pedal is at rest, it should be slightly higher than the break (1/2 inch). As far as engagement, sounds about correct, but you shouldn’t be slipping it that way, once the clutch begins to grab go ahead and let out and go.

@JohnYoshii 7 лет назад

Thoroughbred Diesel when it starts to move it's not actually engaging until almost at the top. when it does start to hit at the top the release feels right. decently grabby, but I thought it was bad if it let out all at the top of the pedal.