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Vans Aircraft RV-15, what is the Competition? A look at the specs and capabilities of the Vans Aircraft new High Wing STOL aircraft as presented at Airventure 2022 in Oshkosh, Wisconsin and a look at possible competitors. Discussion on what STOL and Rough Field capable is as well as showing aircraft models from five different manufacturers to include: Bearhawk Aircraft and their 4 place model, Rans Aircraft S-21 Outbound, Sling Aircraft High Wing, Murphy Aircraft Yukon and Radical models, and the Glasair Aviation Sportsman model. Discussing metal and fabric aircraft coverings, Side by side versus Tandem seating, Take off and landing distances and other aircraft specs. This video is only including amateur built experimental aircraft that would be considered Bush planes, backcountry capable and such called airplanes.

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@gregphilpott4356
@gregphilpott4356 Год назад
I’m glad you included the S-21, seems often overlooked
@texak1974
@texak1974 Год назад
I am so glad to see this one in the experimental market. It checks almost every box for me. The Bearhawk is great, but as a Supercub pilot, I’m not into the slow cruise any longer. This is a great family aircraft IF they make it optional with rear jump seats.
@thisismagacountry1318
@thisismagacountry1318 Год назад
I'm 63 and not giving up on my dream of aircraft ownership, but the RV appeals because of its capabilities. The go anywhere type of plane with real load capacity you want.
@danieldrinkwalter2393
@danieldrinkwalter2393 Год назад
Bearhawk Companion, Rans S21 Outbound, Murphy Radical, Zenith STOL 750 SD come to mind for me. Though the RV15 technically might be a 4 seater, or a 2+2, it looks to me more like it will fit the "2 seat STOL with big useful load" mission profile.
@aviationkitbuilder
@aviationkitbuilder Год назад
It will be fun to see what the final configuration of the RV-15 ends up being. I think the Zenith comes into play if you put a larger engine in it.
@LTVoyager
@LTVoyager Год назад
I am currently building an S-21 after waiting on Van’s for many years to build a high wing. They were three years too late for me. I think the S-21 is probably the closest competitor based on what I know about the -15 thus far. The -15 will be a little bigger and heavier with more HP, but the basic configuration and mission of the two airplanes is similar: a fairly good STOL performance with cruise speeds in the 140 K range.
@aviationkitbuilder
@aviationkitbuilder Год назад
I looked at the S-21 as a possible kit to build and really liked them. You will definitely enjoy that when you finish it. Good luck with your build.
@maxbootstrap7397
@maxbootstrap7397 10 месяцев назад
Obviously we can't be sure yet, but I've seen a couple videos from the builders that imply the Vans RV-15 takeoff/landing will be 400~500 feet, which I don't even consider STOL ... and is considerably longer than the Rans S21, which seems to be 250~300 feet with most engines. Perhaps that ~150 foot landing/takeoff difference doesn't mean much to some pilots, but to bush pilots like me, that's a total killer.
@SI-lg2vp
@SI-lg2vp 6 месяцев назад
I'm all in with the RV-15. I expect this plane will out sell all the other RV options. I'm not a back country off airport pilot but I could be with the RV-15. I want a large cabin and room to carry a larger load. The airplane size looks like it will be easier to build and with the option of standard rivets of pull rivets. The low wing RV's are smaller, and getting into looks like having to step on the seat bottom first. I like the high wing and wide door frames of the RV-15. Now I'm retired it time to build a plane to enjoy what remaining runway I have left. My favorite airplane is still the B-737, but those days are over, and time to enjoy a slower plane and the views. Can't wait till the plane becomes available.
@aviationkitbuilder
@aviationkitbuilder 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching. I hope Vans gets things sorted out and can get the RV-15 going soon.
@davida.4933
@davida.4933 22 дня назад
Most of us fly solo 90% of the time. Imagine a single seat STOL but super rugged adventure aircraft 100' take off and landing 1500' climb. Having the extra seat that is rarely used by many pilots is what costs and costs in so many ways.
@aviationkitbuilder
@aviationkitbuilder 20 часов назад
There are a few single seat aircraft, but not many.
@WayneMeador
@WayneMeador 11 месяцев назад
Great video! I’m really glad you included Bearhawk in the list! I think, however, you should also go look at the Bearhawk model five. There’s not much data out there yet, and only a few of them have been built… But, it’s much more of a competitor Than the Bearhawk Fourplace due to its overall flight characteristics and load capability.
@OldSloGuy
@OldSloGuy Год назад
One unique feature of the RV15 is carrying a standard bicycle with the front wheel detached in the baggage compartment. Removing the wheel shortens the bike by roughly a foot and the front wheel of course rides next to it. So, putting the bike back together is a matter of using the large thumb screws on the axle. Removing the front wheel also allows a mechanical attachment to the RV15 similar to what you often see on automobile roof racks carrying bikes. Bolt down the front fork and bungee the rear and you are good to go. Since a bike frame is a lot harder than a sleeping bag, having jumping baggage in rough air could take on a new meaning without the bolt down feature.
@thisismagacountry1318
@thisismagacountry1318 Год назад
Or the new EV bikes, no pedaling
@danliddiard
@danliddiard 8 месяцев назад
I'd probably say the Rams s21 outbound is the closest. Similar engine options, both two seaters, both shorter STOL. Both all metal.
@timaidley7801
@timaidley7801 Год назад
I feel like the RV-15 and S-21 are pretty close. Unless you *really* want a couple of cramped seats in the back the S-21 seems like the slightly smaller sibling of the RV-15. It goes almost as fast, carries almost as much etc. But it'll probably cost a little bit less to make and burn a little less fuel. Also, I can't believe you didn't mention the Sonex High Wing 😆
@jeffmckelvey3604
@jeffmckelvey3604 Год назад
Another vote for the BearHawk 4 Place 🙂
@eaausang
@eaausang Год назад
Yep. I put my money where my mouth is too and bought a Bearhawk.
@markdoan1472
@markdoan1472 Год назад
Though Bearhawk 4 place is highly desirable it is not as near similar to the RV 15 as the Murphy Radical Bearhak is steel , rag and 6 cylinder .. Murphy like the 15 uses identical 4 cyl engine , near same size and all aluminum .. Having said that Im still quite sure the Bearhawk is my favorite .. It just doesn't answer his question
@Sideways71
@Sideways71 11 месяцев назад
@@markdoan1472 Bearhawk has an extremely efficient, flush riveted, all aluminum wing and comes in a 2 seat version which would pair with a 4 cylinder motor... its a pretty close comparison.. but: Yes fuselage is steel & cloth. Bob Barrows (the designer) favors the durability and reparability of steel over aluminum. I say the Murphy is the most similar in terms of materials and construction but all three share the same mission goals. Can't wait to see final version RV-15. My guess is that it will probably easier to build and have slightly *different* mix of capabilities than the Bearhawk Companion.. but cost more. The other fun comparison is the design approach: High tech CAD design and CNC production vs old man Barrow with a drafting table, slide rule* and a conservative approach to engineering. (**I don't really now what tools Bob Barrows used to design the Bearhawk.**)
@backcountyrpilot
@backcountyrpilot 10 месяцев назад
The Aerotrek A220 is a 100 HP, side-by side taildragger that weighs 6703# empty, takes off in 250’ with my 185# frame, 20 gallons fuel and maybe 20# of stuff in the back. It climbs about 1100 FPM at sea level. On a good day I can land it in 250’ on pavement. With the tailwheel on the threshold, I can definitely takeoff before the top of the runway numbers and often land before them- with no wind. Top speed is 125mph with the Rotax 912 ULS at 5500 RPM burning about 6GPH. When I putt along with my buddies in their J3 Cubs at 65-70 MPH, I burn about 3.5 GPH. The best part is the A220 is less than $120,000 new and Rob Rollison at Aerotrek in Indiana offers amazing customer service.
@sblack48
@sblack48 9 месяцев назад
It’s a dead nuts copy of a kitfox. Top speed is 125 mph but cruise is what - 100? So 90 kts vs 140 kts. And there is no room and very little payload. The 15 has a 900 lb useful load and lots of space to make use of it. These 2 airplanes are not comparable at all.
@patshes1951
@patshes1951 Год назад
Love this little aicraft.
@aviationkitbuilder
@aviationkitbuilder Год назад
I imagine it will be a big hit when they start shipping kits. Thanks for watching.
@geneaux3135
@geneaux3135 Год назад
Why didn't you include the Zenith CH-801?
@aviationkitbuilder
@aviationkitbuilder Год назад
I had to narrow down the field for comparison and the speed of the 801 is way below anticipated cruise of the RV-15. All the other categories are pretty close.
@tuckernielson1
@tuckernielson1 Год назад
BearHawk!!!
@aviationkitbuilder
@aviationkitbuilder Год назад
So that’s one vote for the BearHawk, what does everyone else think?
@tuckernielson1
@tuckernielson1 Год назад
@@aviationkitbuilder I’m 100% positive that the new RV-15 will be an amazing airplane; all of the others are. The BearHawk 4 place is a fantastic bird that is able to lift 4, 200 pounders and all their stuff AND land pretty anywhere
@philipcraig956
@philipcraig956 Год назад
Didn't they said it was going to be a 2 seat aircraft and they "may" consider making it a 2+2 at some time in the future? Looking at it since launch just before Oshkosh, it looks like it will be a squish to get 4 seats into it and if the rear seats are rear facing, I think it will be an option that few will want. This is an issue, although to a lesser degree, that the Murphy Rebel builders face. The Rebel is technically a 2+1 but I have only ever seen 1 that had more than 2 seats and the reason the builders tell me is often insurance. Since the aircraft is flown most often with 1 person, you are paying the insurance for 4 people. Also, the 3rd seat in the Rebel is sideways which I think wouldn't be overly comfortable but at least the person can see out the windows. A reward facing seat is bound to induce airsickness in many 🤢. Regarding your comment on the Radical and Yukon, I spoke to the guys at Murphy about 6 or so months ago and they tell me the aircraft are both currently available but they are currently going over the designs to improve build-ability and make the construction easier; more factory pre drilling holes etc. Apparently, they are planning to do this with the entire line but are starting with the Radical and Yukon. Note, these are both 2+2 seaters with astonishing useful loads. The RV-15 has the advantage of being the latest to market and therefore, can look at everything else and design a product to match or exceed every category that people are looking for. For me, the biggest advantages the RV-15 seems to have, is the top end cruise speed while being approximately equal in all other categories as well as the RV history of designing aircraft with great flying qualities and reasonably easy to build. However, it will be interesting to see what the final configuration and specifications are ... when they finally lock the design down.
@aviationkitbuilder
@aviationkitbuilder Год назад
I saw somewhere that Vans did an interview on the RV-15 recently, I’ll have to see if I can find it. I guess they discussed the progress of the prototype and mentioned it would be a two seater because with their revised mock-ups they didn’t think additional seats would be comfortable or necessary to most of their buyers.
@derickellisster
@derickellisster Год назад
RV 15 is more rugged and has comparable speed but with less range. I have flown a lot of Sling's and have a few hundred hours on the RV7 only. So not sure about the others, but they are as different as can be. In the end it depends on your mission. IMHO, Sling HW when you mainly do A to B and RV 15 for hunting, fishing, camping etc and want respectable en course TAS. Also, the Sling HW will take 4 adults, full fuel and bags along for around 750nm. They are remarkabke aircraft.
@scratchbuilder5952
@scratchbuilder5952 11 месяцев назад
Hope they offer a true 4 place
@aviationkitbuilder
@aviationkitbuilder 11 месяцев назад
We’ll probably hear more at Airventure but I think they are going to start with a two seater from what I’ve heard.
@916medic
@916medic Год назад
If I win the lotto I am gonna make a aviation kit company that specializes in 2 adult seater and 2 child seat bush/stol air planes. Think the size of a rans s21 but with really small seats in the back for small children 80 pounds. Seats will be made of harness cloth and be removable. I will call it the desert runner and Artic runner. Desert will have large bush wheels and focus on hot weather flying. The Artic runner will be a Alaska inspired sled or pontoon landing gear. The kit will be influenced by kitfox and rans builds. Kits will be builder friendly and have the kit be at minimal cost by assembling some parts in mexico where labor is cheaper but quality is good. I want a kit for the average dad that wants to take his wife and little kid out for a flight. Ill have bush pilots and engineers meet and have most of the avavation community help out with input. I'll pay a celebrity to help endose the company and make tic toc video and make it cool to the younger generation while getting credibility from the older community with fly in and shows. What do you think?
@kenl.3775
@kenl.3775 Год назад
What, like a STOL CH 801 or a Bearhawk Model B? Or maybe like a Major M-5? Glasair Sportsman 2+2? Wag-Aero Sportsman 2+2?
@jeepfreak0iii0
@jeepfreak0iii0 Год назад
Small request. Can you equalize your audio? Your voice overs are much higher than the rest.
@New2Me170B
@New2Me170B Год назад
Homebuilt super 170.
@doncatch1
@doncatch1 Год назад
Looks like Murphy Rebel
@aviationkitbuilder
@aviationkitbuilder Год назад
I thought so as well but I didn’t include it because its actually a bit smaller and slower so I thought the other two Murphy models were a better fit for comparison.
@av8rk9
@av8rk9 Год назад
Wait one minute ... side by side Vs. Tandem is not that big a hurtle ... you need to get a grip on what the mission of each A/C is and what compromise is necessary to make that dream come true.
@honchohuze169
@honchohuze169 10 месяцев назад
Dude is stroking Vans so hard right now. LOL. "I wouldn't say any of them are the equal of the RV-15" Oof. Overzealous on a brand new aircraft design, not yet proven. It's like a startup talking about projected income. But still, thanks for the video. I would say Bearhawk Companion is sounding closer if RV-15 is a side by side 2 place.
@aviationkitbuilder
@aviationkitbuilder 10 месяцев назад
It’s difficult to compare a mostly aluminum side by side seating STOL aircraft with a large engine to anything else. Not that it’s better, just nothing fits those parameters exactly. Most are different in some major way like being fabric covered, tandem seating, much slower cruise speed and such making them different.
@ryanhuddleston5364
@ryanhuddleston5364 Год назад
Zenith 750 SD is the biggest competitor
@ludvikblondal9885
@ludvikblondal9885 9 месяцев назад
It's snail SLOW
@maxbootstrap7397
@maxbootstrap7397 10 месяцев назад
1500 feet is STOL? I don't consider 500 feet to be STOL. 100 meters or 300 feet is a reasonable limit to be considered STOL in my opinion. While we can't tell for sure yet, the Rans S-21 Outbound looks better in virtually every way than the Vans RV-15. The S-21 with Rotax 916iS engine looks great. Frankly, calling the RV-15 or the S-21 a 4-seat airplane is *very much* stretching the truth in practice.
@aviationkitbuilder
@aviationkitbuilder 10 месяцев назад
1500 feet the “book definition” of STOL I read online, I think from the FAA or military. Certainly by todays standards 300 feet or so is more like it.
@605pilot
@605pilot 8 месяцев назад
That 1500 feet involves a 50 foot obstacle for both landing and takeoff.
@andremarais2706
@andremarais2706 10 месяцев назад
Sling
@SoloRenegade
@SoloRenegade 10 месяцев назад
X-Cub?
@aviationkitbuilder
@aviationkitbuilder 10 месяцев назад
I didn’t include any cubs or cub clones in the comparisons due to tandem seating versus the RV’s side by side.
@SoloRenegade
@SoloRenegade 10 месяцев назад
@@aviationkitbuilder arbitrary nonsense. Just because you discriminate, not everyone does. And if you look at teh number of cub and cub clones out there, you'll see they are still very popular otherwise the Zenith and Kitfox and their many clones would dominate more so. Cost and performance are what matters. You included a 4 seater, Bearhawk, and rightly so. the Bearhawk 4 is likely going to be competitive price to the RV-15, and better performing. But the RV-15 is not a 4 seater, so your a hypocrite by your own standards.
@SoloRenegade
@SoloRenegade 10 месяцев назад
Bearhawk 4 or 5 is a far better deal than the RV-15 in my opinion.
@MN-RV
@MN-RV 10 месяцев назад
But a far more involved and lengthy build process. The Vans instructions are night and day from what Bob sends out. I love the Bearhawk, but they've gotta get some good instructions/plans put together beyond the blueprints from Bob. Just my $.02
@SoloRenegade
@SoloRenegade 10 месяцев назад
@@MN-RV And I won't argue it from that perspective. I agree most kits/plans can't compare with Vans, and the RV-15 was designed with an eye to ease of assembly (pulled rivets and such), so maybe it will be more affordable. But they sell so many planes regardless, that I have a hard time thinking they are that worried about kit price (and look how many machined and other specialized parts are in the RV-15). But I am judging purely on expected performance in my prior comment.
@MN-RV
@MN-RV 10 месяцев назад
@@SoloRenegade as for price. Quick build prices aren't much higher than the Bearhawk QB.
@markdoan1472
@markdoan1472 Год назад
Murphy Radical is easily the closest .... Im amazed how airplane people on here in general are quite clueless as to what actually need to be compared .. and these are essentially the absolute critical items that determine STOL .. Automotive writers always do the numbers but aircraft writers and media types seem to never do them or understand them ... What tells the tale of STOL is wing loading .. lbs per sq ft .. flap size and type ( dont just say they have flaps get your freekin tape measure out and give us the numbers ) and power to weight ratio , HP per lb of aircraft .. Also is it too much trouble to say the suspension needs REBOUND DAMPENING SHOCKS .. do you understand what that means !!!! both on the mains and on the tail .. Then does it have the proper size brakes to lock up 31" wheels ..... Those are the critical items and you never gave the numbers ... Do you understand without these numbers its meaningless to compare ... The sling is as far from a bush plane as a beech bonanza ... It has no suspension , no wing to speak of ( far to heavy wing loading ) so it is pretty much useless as a bush plane ..... I have no idea why you do these when you have no idea whatsoever what to compare ..... Its the numbers !!!! compare the freekin numbers to begin with ..... Car people laugh at how technically inept airplane people generally are .... Numbers is what tells the tale ..... No one yet has given the sq ft of the Vans wing because they never thought to take a tape measure to the show or use the measuring app on your I phone ... Not once did you mention wing area , empty weight and lbs per HP .... In other words you compared nothing and filled space
@darcybanasiak7293
@darcybanasiak7293 Год назад
Sounds like you have a good reason to start a vlog yourself
@markdoan1472
@markdoan1472 Год назад
@@darcybanasiak7293 You may be right .. Im just astonished at how little bloggers like you actually know or understand about what makes a back country airplane and why ... When the RV 15 first hit the scene I was astonished how people were comparing it to Cessnas and Slings saying foolish things like it was the same as a cessna when in fact its light years apart ...... It seems like you people dont understand the rebound dampened suspension , the monster flaps the far lighter wing loading, the direct linkage controls , the full flying stab , and the vastly greater power to weight ratio ... Its like you people are blind ... you dont know what those things are or what they do and why ... I dont get it how you dont know this stuff
@treetopflight7624
@treetopflight7624 Год назад
Mark, you incorrectly assume that every high wing plane must only be compared by it's STOL numbers. A lot of pilots are looking for high wing hybrids. Greg Hughes (sp) from Vans has clearly stated that their target market is 2 place, fast, heavy loads, and back country ability. That does not mean 200 foot TO/Landings. There is nothing wrong with competitive STOL birds, but they are not the end all dream of every high wing buyer. The comparison in this video is clearly with other aircraft that fill a hybrid mission. JMHO
@markdoan1472
@markdoan1472 Год назад
@@treetopflight7624 Im pretty sure few of you understand just how big the vans wing is , how huge the flaps are , the effect of a full flying stab and fully rebound dampened suspension and direct rod linkage over cables ... Vans understood what they were doing and a few back country pilots get it .. but most of you really have no clue what those things accomplish and just how antiquated the other airplanes are that dont have these things .... It puts the Vans in a category these other planes will never enter..... The other planes won't do back country period .. nor have the control harmony , cargo room , The amazing advantage of rebound dampened suspension in all landings in all places ..
@treetopflight7624
@treetopflight7624 Год назад
I'm not sure why you think other aviators don't understand aircraft dynamics, but thanks for the lesson. ...also, you may want to offload about 600 lbs of ego before your next flight.
@DirtNerds
@DirtNerds Год назад
no new real data on the RV-15, and at the price expected to be around $225-300k How many people can truly afford to build one? the problem with GA Aircraft is that they are pricing the Aircraft too high for the Normal Human to afford, I mean C-172;s selling for 100k and 50 year old instruments and sold new for around 16k. I have been in Aviation most of my life and the reason GA is struggling is the Price points to become an owner. Aluminum is not that expensive for the price point.
@aviationkitbuilder
@aviationkitbuilder Год назад
As someone currently building a Sling TSI, I can attest to the cost being high. To get decent avionics is mid to upper $30k range and loaded out is over $50k. Paint job done professionally is going to be $15k to $20k. And then theirs the engine and prop, which may take more than a year from order day to delivery and cost north of $40k. The plane itself is not that bad, but once you get it all together you’ve spent some real money.
@Captndarty
@Captndarty Год назад
Unfortunately normal humans won’t be able to afford brand new aircraft. They will have to settle with 60 year old legacy or make a life change.🤷🏻‍♂️
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