AMEN. I was accused of assault by a young fellow many years ago. Basically it was his word against mine as there was no evidence either way. I had never been in trouble with the law in all my 40 years, and i was scared. My attorney had the funniest sense of humor - it really helped me. God bless him for that.
My take on the presentation is... Billy likes books. So much so, he amassed a large collection of German Machine Gun books. He was also fascinated by police work and law. These interests were spawned by him witnessing the 12 police officers in foot pursuit after someone had stolen a German Machine Gun from the museum......which occurred when he was going to the library to get 2 more books. After he left the library he stopped by the museum and purchased a book about German Machine Guns. Later in life, after graduating from high school, and later still after he had gotten his law degree he worked his way into becoming a judge. During his early career as a judge he encountered the very same man which had stolen the machine gun from the museum. The man was up on charges for a different crime and was in front of the judge as a repeat offender. Billy, now a judge, sentenced the man to the maximum allowed..... in other words.... Billy threw the book at him.
You've been practicing law for 30+ years, and even taught law for 10yrs, I'm not sure where you went to law school but obviously your good at what you do. But the very important thing to remember is that you are doing battle with some of the best legal minds in the world. That being those that have attended the RU-vid University of Law. Their behavior and educational level is far superior than your real world experience.
As a graduate of the YTUOL I would argue your statement is in violation of the 93rd amendment of the RU-vid constitution. You have 28 days to answer the complaint or surrender your widget!
@@natedavis3943 I have no widget to surrender . I cite amendment 103 which repeals the 93 amendment, therefore I am legally allowed to express my opinion by the power of Blacks Law Dictionary.
This vlog has had me smiling and chuckling the whole way through. Some people just love to argue for the sake of it. I call it brandishing concepts. You see, you are dealing with a deprived childhood here. There was either no one to match wits with or the love of semantics has got them in tow and they can't throw the hitch. You could at least, follow your desire which incorporates both these components. One has to be generous in observation and contemplation towards these people.
He would get 10 years just for the psession of an unregistered NFA item. So I concur. Your estimate is a little low once you factor in the theft charges, and whether or not him being in possession of the machine gun, constitutes a dangerous weapon, while in the commission of that theft which is most likely a felony enhancer. It’s.
Machine guns before 1986 with an NFA stamp....still can't have it on their porch. Wobbly on whether it's a misdemeanor or felony. If he's sitting on his porch with a 1919 BAR, unloaded, he gets a misdemeanor in most states. Billy, however, bought 80% of a Glock 17 online, and installed an auto sear and a 33 round clip, and keeps it in his waistband. He's doing 10 years and when he gets out, he's gonna do it again. And that's the American way.
I walked back in from my yard tipping the scraps and Steve was yelling at me through the speakers in an incredulous rant. That escalated so quickly I was gonna have to go back and witness!!
Your breakdown of the math problem broke my resolve. I can't do vague math problems anymore. As a matter of fact i will question everything that is not followed by a statement that it is a fact.
Exactly. I watched the video on Saturday, but at the beginning of the video, Steve said it was Friday, Obviously, . Now I'm not even sure what day it is anymore.
When I was in military electronics school, one of the people in our class kept asking probing questions about why a certain circuit was operating in a certain manor. The instructor kept explaining the why of the operation, but the student kept asking question after question. Finally the instructor looked at him and asked; "If I farted, would you ask me what I had for breakfast?"
But Steve, some of the MG42s were made by Steyr-DImler-Puch in Steyr, Austria, so it may not have been a German machine gun, but placed in the museum by nefarious curators. 😂
This video is so hilarious. I used to tutor Physics, and every once in a while, I encounter a person like what you demonstrated. It's so frustrating to tutor them because they add details that are not there. They don't seem to understand that the homework problems in Physics are supposed to get them used to the concepts in Physics.
Yes. However, the true question is: Is there such a thing as a free lunch? Friends of mine made free lunches to distribute in high school, just to mess with our physics teacher. (If it isn't obvious, the physics teacher always harped about there being no such thing as a free lunch, when discussing motion, energy, etc.)
@@jimbeckettplay My version is: "There is no such thing as free." and "There is always a cost." Even your "free lunch" wasn't free. You wanted "just to mess with our physics teacher." This was the cost. Notice, I stayed within your story. Math is used to describe Physics concepts. Math is all about balancing equations which in physics it shows the give and take in the physical values.
I know the types... I probably was one of those types😅 Basically they told me as a kid something like "I appreciate your critical thinking skills but give them the answer THEY want" Was effective for me.
You reminded me of a day in sixth grade. The teacher told a story about a couple. After that several students said "What if this happened, what if that happened?" The teacher had to say "I gave you the facts as they are."
Minutes 4-10: LMAO! These are the arguments I often pulled in primary school. The good teachers appreciated my grasp of the finer points of the English language. The mediocre teachers (and one bad teacher) did not appreciate any deviation from the approved, boring, unimaginative answer.
I've always hated story problems lke the first grade one you gave. Although I think it is good to give examples for when you'd use things in real life, you often (at least in my experience) have to make assumptions about certain aspects that weren't clarified.
The whole point is that we assume (unless we have reason to believe otherwise) no trick questions were used. This is supposed to be self-evident, or else our problem-solving faculties would constantly bedevil us with doubt when sitting exams.
It's an arithmetic problem. What do 2 + 2 + 1 equal? That's it. It doesn't matter whether it's apples or eggs. It doesn't matter whether the apples will be rotten in a month or the eggs will hatch chickens. Arithmetic is scalar.
The world of internet viewers is such a wonderful place. It is so thoroughly, and densely populated by people who are simultaneoiusly infectious disease experts, international law experts, economic theorists, constitutional lawyers, theoretic math professionals, criminal profilers, psychologists, psychiatrists, authors, and military professionals. Each individual member demonstrating unrivaled expertise in ALL of those fields. Aint life grand?
Sometimes people are lonely and hope you will engage them in conversation just so they can have something in there sad lives that is just a little different. At least that's why I respond to your videos.
He went often and took two, stole ten and bought one to cover his tracks. Billy needs watching when he is in the library. Billy doesn't read those books either, he is keeping them from being exhibited under directions from Ron Desantoos.
Lol I love these Friday vault videos! I actually look forward to them every week. I knew that there were a lot of really stupid people out there but wow there is more than I expected! Please Steve never stop calling them out it's very entertaining.
Hilarious! Instant Sub. Basic logic skills aren't necessarily easy to understand for every one. But every one who doesn't understand them still feels intitled to argue. I have no way around this. Or put another way (I can't remember where this quote is from): Don't argue with idiots. They will drag you down to your level and beat you with experience.
I had a professor once that added so many qualifiers to any statement to avoid such ambiguity as found with Billy and the books that we used to joke that if we asked him if his shoes were tied he'd look at his shoes, tug on the laces, think for a couple minutes and then say "well, if we assume I am indeed wearing shoes ..."
I saw that comment and had a short circuit in my brain. It didn't just argue with the hypothetical situation, it argued with the video's existence. It did lead to this video, though, and the earnest looks you gave the camera.
30-ish years ago, I definitely had a few of my grade-school teachers that liked to regularly pull questions similar to this, but according to them 3 books would've been the right answer because of that "I never said he actually *got* the two library books" nonsense. Even as I was listening to you read the question and knew where you were going with this, I still keyed in on that and had to really fight against the urge to view it as a trick question. I guess it was supposed to teach us to pay attention to details and "use critical thinking" but I think all it really did was breed this paranoid distrust of anything that seems like a simple and straightforward question. And lately so many of those "how smart are you?" quizzes online rely almost exclusively on trick questions where the obvious answer is always wrong, which doesn't help things either. Now I'm wondering if people being so ridiculously argumentative about hypotheticals is something we've accidentally trained into ourselves...
@@shawgeasland2096 Because as Mr. Lehto pointed out, there are LOTS of problems with this word problem in math. However, it's not fair to first graders to expect them to ask all the logical questions Mr. Lehto asked. At the beginning of the video, Mr. Lehto even said that the answer they want you to come up with is five. So the real question is, did the people who wrote the math book and say, "They're first graders--we'll ignore all the obvious problems with this because they're not developed enough intellectually to catch any of the problems," or are the authors as oblivious to its shortcomings as the first graders are? If the authors have a good grounding in logic, I think they might--but otherwise, I doubt it. From my own experience, when I was in sixth grade, our math textbook tried to have us learn base five. Or at least, what they called base five. I was completely lost, but now that I do understand it, I know that it was base six rather than base five. That doesn't say much for the textbook's authors. My teacher didn't understand what she was teaching, either.
@@bigscarysteve I think students are supposed to suspend doubts for word problems like this and not question such details. "Trick Questions" are called such because they are In bad faith by the question-giver. Trick questions are actually a deliberate deception posing as a genuine question - the wording of a trick question Versus a mistake in the wording of a genuine question are indistinguishable. And it's bordering on abuse if a math teacher asks one and scores it as wrong over a minor wording issue such as that; At that point what they are testing isn't really student abilities. Sure there is space for teaching critical thinking and posing critical thinking questions as well; however, not hidden by planting minor wording causing logical failings inside what appear to be a computation exercise.
@@bigscarysteve As someone working to get a math degree, and also a former magazine editor, I have to disagree with your conclusion. What this question says to me is that the author of the textbook has trouble with critical thinking skills, and a bad editor. I don't know that the author is good at math - being able to add two plus two plus one and come up with five doesn't exactly require algebra. And the problem with the question isn't a writing issue so much as a thought process issue. It says to me that the author has no imagination, unlike the first graders who are expected to solve the problem.
But Steve, it only says he purchased a book. Has it been delivered yet? Until Amazon drops it off, he doesn't have five books yet 😂 And don't tell me Amazon has never messed up an order... Love your videos, I just thought I'd chime in on the fun. I crack up everytime this topic comes up, and this video tops all of them. Keep up the good work 👍
About halfway through this all I could thing is "this way lies madness". Billy has 5 books because that is the simple answer and makes me happy. Now I can go on and think about something that is important, or go to sleep.
Steve, I completely agree with you. It really doesn't take much to get through high school. Which makes you wonder why we make such a big deal about graduating from high school. And don't get me started about graduating from middle school/junior high, elementary school, or even kindergarten. It's just a racket...
"That implies that his _intent_ was to take out two books." No, no, no, no, no! The problem says, "He went to the library to take out two more books." Any reasonable person would interpret "two _more_ books" to mean two _more_ than the two books mentioned in the first sentence of the problem. Clearly, the implication is that Billy went to the library intending to take out _four_ books-at least if the pronoun "he" in the second sentence of the problem indeed refers to Billy. ... ;-)
Note to self: never ask a lawyer to answer a math problem. LOL. Thing is you can do this with anything. I have two apples, you give me two apples. How many apples do I have? Maybe Amelia Earhart ate one while you were giving me two!
There is a reason why analogies were removed from the SAT, too many people flunk them. So yeah, a large portion of the population simply won't get hypothetical scenarios.
What if the guy who pulled the gun was struck by D.B. Cooper parachuting down from the sky. Does that mean that the Library still owns any books that the boy checked out, if he did indeed check out two books?
But, you didn’t include the fact that the REAL machine gun was stolen last week. That machine gun is just a replica. It used to say “machine gun replica”, but someone rubbed the word replica off of it while it was being cleaned. ….. lol. Dude your video is so funny today. I am literally lol.
(Please note the following is all typed with a smile and some amusement; and while true, is not at all said in anger or hate. This just amused me as a pedantic and as, well... you'll see below.) My mom and I watch a lot of your videos together, and I am generally a fan, but I have to say... I argue hypotheticals at times. I have a college degree. So... how and why? I took debate classes, and one of the things we were taught was that if you establish a hypothetical you can use that to drive your point; get them agreeing for long enough, to enough things, people forget you started with a hypothetical. It is actually really useful as a technique to get people to agree to points they would not have agreed to otherwise. So if I think someone is using a hypothetical to build to obfuscation, yes, I may try to take it apart before it can grow roots. But even before I started debate classes, yes I argued this stuff as a kid. And you wanted to know how I got out of first grade this way? I got out... as a creative writer. I was creating stories before I knew how to write them down. I always question broad strokes when an interesting tale could be revealed; and even as a kid, growing up with the parents I had, I would as often find a way to use someone else's vague verbiage or bad grammar to crack a joke or start something that we can both enjoy. So when you started going through the story with the kid and how many books does he have, my mom and I both came to three at first. Because the library books aren't his. But then a lot of the ones you pulled out to seem ridiculous we were sitting there going "good point". We had a lot of fun with this one and kept pausing. Yes, some of the places you went we agreed with you were ridiculous. But some of them were amusing because they made sense. I think in the end on that exam I would probably do what I did through most of my schooling; which is that I would write on the exam page "the answer I think you want is five, but it is really three cause has implies ownership and the library books are borrowed". .... Which has gotten me in trouble with some teachers, yes. But it also made a friendship with others. I think the world would be a very boring place if we all thought the same way. So I'm not trying to convince you that our way is better. For us it is, But not for everyone. More just... sharing another point of veiw. Which in the end.. is what communication is supposed to be for, right? :D
Was the firing pin removed? You couldnt have a working machine gun in the museum. You said this was in America, but did it take place on German diplomatic soil? Or maybe on Native American tribal land? You didnt say these law enforcement agents had jurisdiction in that area? Was it a Tuesday? Was it raining? Is Mars in retrograde?
First day, first class, torts, professor tells us to close our book, turns on the projector and had 5 hypos. Spent 30 minutes teaching the class how to “don’t fight the hypo”.
This is exactly how my brain works.. I really had a hard time with reading comprehension in elementary school... every "story" was never detailed enough to give a correct answer.
In the immortal words of P.T. Barnum " A sucker is born every minute and one to take him every five" and at the end of his sideshow was a large sifn stating " See the Great Egress This Way"
Just hilarious, Steve. Anyone not laughing their ass off at this a) could never get through the first day of law school, and be, is probably well versed in every conspiracy theory that exists.
When people who argue with hypothetical questions raise children the children do bad in school because they learned at home to argue about anything they don't want to do.
The story problem reasoning reminds me of the first time I took algebra, I did not believe I was capable of understanding algebra because everyone said it is so very, very difficult and I knew I was incredibly stupid. Thus, when presented with x+2=5, x could not possibly = 3 because that is too easy so I applied mental gymnastics very like those used in your example.
This is my number two favorite of your videos. Number one is responding to emails of people who suspect that you are flashing masonic/satanic signals with your hands.
I sat down to enjoy breakfast and watch a Steve Lehto video. Afterward, I'm convinced that I teleported to an alternate universe where nothing is real or imagined
Steve, this was so funny! There are so many people who are dopes. I'm a retired respiratory therapist and I still recall taking some difficult tests which had hypothetical questions. Many times someone would have a question about these hypotheticals and our prof would always say, "Don't read into the question. Take it for what says". I don't understand why so many people would try to twist your hypotheticals. Crazy!
When I try to explain something to someone in a hypothetical way and they come back with complaints about the particulars I say "Stop focusing on the wrong part of the story." Sometimes it brings them back to the real purpose of the conversation. Also in school I had a teacher tell me something extremely simple but was way more effective in my life than most things, they said, "give them the answer that THEY WANT..." (The people asking the question) Also you can call these types "the what if brigade" 😂 Paul Harrell uses that phrase and I like it.
Here's what ChatGPT4 had to say: Interpretation One: Billy started with two books, went to the library and borrowed two books, and then bought another book. In this case, he would have 2 (initial) + 2 (borrowed) + 1 (bought) = 5 books in total. Interpretation Two: Billy started with two books, then went to the library and replaced his two books with two different books (i.e., he returned his two books and borrowed two others). Afterward, he bought another book. In this case, he would have 2 (from the library, replacing his initial ones) + 1 (bought) = 3 books. Interpretation Three: Billy started with two books, went to the library and read two books there but didn't bring them home, then bought a book. In this case, he would have 2 (initial) + 1 (bought) = 3 books. Interpretation Four: Billy started with two books, went to the library to donate his two books, and then bought a book. In this case, he would have 0 (after donating his books) + 1 (bought) = 1 book. Interpretation Five: Billy started with two books, went to the library, lost his two books there, and then bought a book. In this case, he would have 0 (after losing his books) + 1 (bought) = 1 book. Interpretation Six: Billy started with two books, went to the library and took two books without returning them (making them his now), then bought another book. In this case, he would have 2 (initial) + 2 (taken) + 1 (bought) = 5 books. So, the context and the precise actions taken can greatly change the interpretation of the text.
Yes. This is exactly how my mind works. In school a teacher had to tell me something to the effect of "I appreciate your critical thinking skills but give them the answer THEY WANT"😅 This actually helped me immensely in school.
I answered a question in this manner many years ago. it was from the Stanford-Binet test "How many miles is a flight from New York City to Paris France?" My answer was "Not enough information provided. Is the plane flying east or west from NYC to Paris?"
A lawyer arguing hypotheticals, when the arguments he was making about that math problem is EXACTLY what lawyers do. They bring up the most insane logical convolutions to get their way. Billy, in this hypothetical, is in a quantum state. You don't know how many books Billy has, until you observe him.
No, we can’t. Health departments and safety departments (along with tons of other mid-level bureaucracies) are totally obsessed with fragmentation of hypotheticals.
