Vegan WALKS OFF Mid-debate. Meat eater claims VICTORY 

sentience: that which has feelings or sensations, as distinguished from perceptions and cognition. Therefore, sentience ought not be confused with consciousness, though the two are closely intertwined. In animal life, there are up to five sensory organs which can detect external stimulants. Plants are also sentient but use lower-level mechanisms for their sentience. For example, most plants respond to sunlight (witness the opening of flowers upon the rising of the sun), and carnivorous plants can detect arthropods crawling on their leaves. Therefore, when carnists claim that “plants have feelings too”, they may be correct, so the most logical reason for being vegan is not because plants are completely insentient, but simply due to the fact that humans are an herbivorous species. If Homo sapiens were naturally omnivores or carnivores, then no sane person would promote veganism. In summary, all forms of organic life are, by definition, sentient, yet TRUE consciousness is found in those animal species that have a certain level of intelligence (i.e., as a general rule, vertebrates, though there are a couple of notable exceptions to this general rule). Cf. “consciousness/Consciousness”. Sentient/sentience ultimately comes from the Latin verb “sentire”, which means “to feel” or “to perceive”, and is related to the noun “sensus”, meaning “sense”. Cf. “consciousness”, as defined at the beginning of Chapter 6 of “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”.

Vegans do not eat insects as it is not Vegan by definition - what is even going on here - I'm confused

At least engage with the bloke Carbs come on

@@TheWorldTeacher how does plants responding to light and other plants detecting arthropods on their leaves imply they are sentient? My TV remote is solar-charged - would you consider it to have low level sentience? Also, why don't you consider homo sapiens to be omnivorous? Regardless of morality it seems to me that people can survive by eating meat with plant foods.

It was entertaining Joey but I feel like you got flustered. I think when discussing consciousness there needs to be a little more science beyond the Cambridge declaration. I would love to see Ask Yourself react to this one, and see what advice he would give. You still did well, I would have had less patience.

LMAO

Plants are living

@@zachattack9801 my nuts are living

@@zachattack9801 plants can’t feel pain or suffering though. Plants are not sentient like animals are.

@@eatdabeanz plants actually can feel pain look it up

mfers will pull something like that but still do things like call exterminators on ants or leave poison out for them even though it's pretty well observed that they have complex social practices like voluntary occupations, agriculture, and they practice medicine to some degree. why bring up a point like that, that you don't personally participate or advocate generally for?

@@dravenwag Their common response is "Yes, but I'm not telling others what to do anyway; it's only vegans who are hypocritical because they are trying to enforce their standard on others."

Vegans are not trying to"enforce" their choices on others.. 🥴🥴🥴

@@dravenwag Dragonflies show human-like power of concentration and have brain cells capable of feats seen in primates, as reported in the December 2012 issue of Current Biology journal.

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It's actually frustrating. If they put that much energy to save animals, life will be peaceful and earth will be a safe place to live.

@@nay.sen20 so true

Ok but if and just think about this it can change the whole game what if certain animal meats are meant to be eaten.

@@nay.sen20no one cares about the animals accept vegans in terms of them sacrificing their life for meat

That's literally you

LOLOLOL

Veganism DEBUNKED 🤣🤣

Savage but true.

Brilliant

Cow brain is delicious

A wise once said to eat some fucking meat

Out of so many people Joey interviews even the male douchebags who eat meat just to maintain this facade of an image of "masculinity" and not a "weak vegan", this guy takes the cake at being the stupidest idiot and biggest liar ever. He looks like a lanky fool who i could break with Just a look, so much for eating meat makes you "strong" or "intelligent". This idiot keeps interrupting, telling Joey he said things Joey didn't say, and asks idiotic follow up questions so stupid, that when Joey says wtf, he says "im saying..." But changes the original question and claims that's what he asked. In all my life, the only liars I've ever met were the religious. I have yet to meet an atheist who lies. It's astonishing. These idiots think a magical sky daddy is on their side supporting their greed, selfishness, ignorance, arrogance, false sense of pride, and their desire to turn a blind eye or support cruelty, and they have the audacity to think atheist vegans are "evil" and "liars". This fool thought he "won" because of course it's all about winning for these insecure male douchebags, he thinks he's so "intelligent" but doesn't realize Joey just wants to have a discussion where he can inform or educate people. Man the stupid possible creature is a human religious ignorant selfish greedy male. They have absolutely no concept of common sense or logic. I bet you he has to pay women to sleep with him and then goes brags to his 1 or 2 friends who don't even like him that he "totally" picked them up with a few smooth words and that she was "so into him".

Another wise man once said "Do not argue with a fool...they will knock you down to their level and beat you with experience". Lol

@@davidt8087 literally nobody asked you probably can’t a girl to date even if you offered them a million dollars

@@zachattack9801 ok dude nice try. Too bad it didn't work. But to educate you a bit. I had traveled all over the world and had so much experience in life and had so many females by age 21 that I got married just as I turned 22, and it's been 7 years since. You're still on tinder writing nasty messages and getting laughed at. I'd call you a troll but can't see enough messages to determine if your a meattard or vegan, and confused why you'd defend meattards here.

It is because they think God is going to destroy the world and keep them in heaven for being complicit in total obedience. It is a disease of the mind

Exactly. They keep comparing plants to animals like it's nothing but when vegans compare humans to animals they lose their shit.

Animals are food. It’s not going to change.

it takes a carnist to come up with an excuse so silly that he ends up equating his own life to the one of a carrot

@@Winchester-hh7vb „slaves are slaves it’s not going to change“ same dumb logic

😂😂😂😂

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I know right?

This guy has straw in his head lol

Does vegans eat grass , leaf , flower and root?

@@tttyn2237 no, do corpse crunchers realise animals feel pain and emotions? No.

I think this guy is right in the fact that sentience is a bad argument. He just doesn’t understand himself why it’s a bad argument. Sentience does not matter one single bit depending on how hungry you are. Civilised people should not eat meat because of 1. We are organised enough to grow enough plants to ensure our survival. 2. Eating animal causes unnecessary harm not only to the animal but to the environment. 3. Being civilised allows us to exercise our perception of morality and do more good than bad. 4. Arguably eating plants alone will allow us to live longer more enjoyable lives. Sentience has no bearing whether any of us should or should not eat animals.

No one has free will, we have the illusion of free will. The reality is hard determinism.

@@garibaldi54 oh boy

@Pacman McGayvin ok but cats have as much an illusion of free will as we do. So if you value your own 'free will' we ought extend that privilege for others to enjoy too. Real or not.

@@Weldras Its a fact confirmed by neurologists. Your actions are dictated by your individual brains biology (how it processes things) and whatever experiences you encounter. Do you think that everyone on earths brain works exactly the same way and some people just 'choose' to ignore whatever moral viewpoint exists while others don't? Killers and rapists dont have the same mind as most people, They literally dont have the same empathy, their brains work differently and they don't choose that anymore than other people can choose to be empathetic. Whats right and wrong or acceptable is whatever you believe it is.

I agree 100%:)) Cats know exactly what they want & when-Much Love & Respect💚😻💚

He reminded me of two Monty Python clips- 1- The Argument Clinic (For acting like repetition is a valid debate strategy) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xpAvcGcEc0k.html 2- The Black Knight (Declaring victory after being soundly defeated) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZmInkxbvlCs.html

But is pretty sure that he is an intelligent human being. Duning Kruger effect I think.

I believe he’s right.. but with the wrong argument. Sentience does not matter one bit when it comes to deciding whether you should consume an animal or not.

He destroyed Joey in this debate, you vegans are so delusional 🤣

I, and every women watching this video KNOW just by looking at him that he pays for women to sleep with him then brags to others that he "totally" picked them himself with his smooth words and that they were "totally" into him lmao.😂

@@linusgallagher1607 meattard trolls. Losers acting like they are "cool" people with lives who get laid constantly and are loved by the favorite group of meattards they pretend to be in and come here and defend for, in reality, not even the meattards that they pretend they are part of their group, nor any meat eating females, actually like or even pay any attention to you trolls. They fukn laugh at you and make u cry. That's why you have no lives and are here trolling while the meattards you envy actually have a life. Lmfao.

@@linusgallagher1607 lol that last part about paying for women really bothered you. It's like it hit too close to home for you lol.

@@linusgallagher1607 nice projection. I simply made a correct observation based on experience that you will barely begin to reach like 1% of when you're aged 50. You were the one who felt it hit too close to home and had to comment with an upset tone as if I said something about you lol even thought it was a short part of a long comment lmao. Dude stop ur exposing yourself even more to me. I have far far far far more experience than u child. You wanna meet in person I'll prove that I'm right about you too

I fed my 2, beautiful 😺😸chicken today. Who should be the victims? The cats or the chickens?

@@Unmasking_Viandalisme you are not a cat, you do not need to eat chicken, Unless you are a cat, and have some how learned who to write in a comment section.

@@jean6453 Within a V world, I'd have no access to their natural diet, so you've earned a middle finger, little girl. I'm thinking about the animals, not myself!

@@Unmasking_Viandalisme Why are anti-vegan arguments ALWAYS asinine?

@@Unmasking_Viandalisme lab grown meat.

Your a vegan, it's perfectly normal

@@richardcardinale7152 You're*

His neck is already hurting bruh

Possibly a sign of cognitive dissonance... seems like he's trying to convince himself

Probably a narcissist

It isn't?

@@caseyburger9864 Nope, but that seems to be a *big* shock to some.

He used to do just that and drugs and caught with a sawn off shotgun in the boot of his car so this joey is not the messiah people think he is .just a krank with a massive gob that's somebody soon will shut it forever.

I wish someone would

It's normal for an inflammed vegan brain 🤣

@@dominichall5326 I think you misunderstood my comment. What he did in the past does not in any way discredit what he does now. This guy was just looking for a way to get under Joey's skin with his nonsensical arguments and talk of god.

@koobah so he's your hero is he ,well that shows us all what a poor judge of character you really are . Are you a complete retard or what, the bloke is a crackpot and you can clearly see the madness in his eyes . And remember that old saying the past will catch up with you so if you feel the need to follow this clown 🤡 🤣 then your a monumental idiot.

Also they fail to understand that not everyone is religious in the first place

I find it funny how religion seems like a dumb idea because it doesn't fit your view. There is proof for God, may not be empirical but that's a criteria you need to justify. logic- Atheism says something comes from nothing reason- what reason evidence- don't try talk about how science is better, who do you think advanced science, all theists compassion- yes decide everything off emotion... Objectivity is better than subjectivity. You may think killing is bad but if people disagree you are wrong and dumb. Just like how religion is wrong and dumb because of opinion.

@@syedyousufalihayder where is the proof that your god exists?

@jeanmorris6601 First of all, you need proof that God doesn't exist. Atheists take the position that God doesn't exist as default, when that is the unnatural position. (Ask for evidence on that if you want) God and god are different. If you actually did mean god, then I am proof. If you mean God, then you have design, cosmological, and so on. Specifically, Islam, you have hundreds of prophecies that come true. Chance is no longer on your side. (Eg. The pharoah of moses being preserved, and please dont make a stupid assumption that he was preserved and placed in a pyramid, he wasn't, in fact, he drowned, which the Quran also says. Only found out recently of course.

@@syedyousufalihayder Wrong. The burden of proof is on the theist. You are the one making the positive claim that something exists. In this case, you’re claiming that god/God exists. Thus it is your burden to support that claim with evidence. The same as if someone claims that Bigfoot or ghosts or unicorns exist. The burden is on the person who is making that claim. You can’t shift the burden to others and say they need to prove it doesn’t exist. It doesn’t work that way. Anyway, which god exists? Odin? Thor? Allah? Yahweh? Isis? Pan? Hercules? Osiris? Jesus? Or any one of hundreds or thousands of others?

It's wild how people are so willing to argue a subject that they aren't even knowledgable on. They just come full force with bais and beliefs instead of learning about the facts of the matter.

Next time, I recommend you show them the Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness. If they still refuse to accept it, end the conversation.

It was very difficult to watch, I had to pause it several times. I don’t know how Joey holds it together.

You can probably expect to encounter that again. I am sure that I have seen things like Star Trek misusing the word sentient. Since it is a word not often used and they get exposure to misuse a lot of people don’t realise what a low bar it is and think it means humanoid. I think this guy also had that problem conflating sentience, self awareness and consciousness.

And have a steak to feel better.

@@55749 think I have some insects instead 😁

I lack the ability to think or have a normal conversation with a person.

As soon as he said "we're created in the image of g....." id be going "woah there hold up, just so you know, im out."

That was hard to watch, FairPlay for even trying to engage in conversation with this fella! I do not think he was a troll, I just think he was a bit mental and lacked any knowledge on the subject!

@user-ik1hf3md2c this here is a laughable comment! He’s literally debated with ‘the experts’ on tv programs and news stations! He’s willing to debate with anyone and that’s quite evident!

@user-ik1hf3md2c I don’t have to the point being if your just gonna be the internet b*tch talking crap you should know what your on about! Do you think you have the insight to debate with a vegan activist? I’m sure we can sort something out

He then added "in Japan". Huh... I guess it's just cultural for vegans in Japan to do so (completely not serious about this)

True Lmao

Because he isn’t.

When people say "animals" they usually mean non-human animals. Do you not get out often? Do you not know how people talk? This is the lamest thing vegans say: "humans are animals too". Yeah, no sh*t, Sherlock...but when people say "animals" they mean non-human animals. They are not saying humans aren't animals. It's a massive straw man.

@@55749 Seems like you don't know what the definition of an animal is. So you're not a multicellular eukaryotic organism that consumes organic matter to convert to energy, breathes oxygen and reproduces sexually?

@@55749 what is he then?

@@MustardSkaven He could say "other" animals. It would be like during human slavery days saying humans don't have consciousness so it's okay to enslave them. Duh, you're human too. Duh, you're an animal too. ✌️

11:11, posted 11 hours ago ❤

How do you know if someone is vegan, don't worry they look malnourished 🤪

I'm anti-vegan & proud to tell you!🤓👍

@@x-latetv-x6816 Joey looks malnourished? You're living in a delusion mate

@@Unmasking_Viandalisme you are stupid enough to give him actually proof

Yes, he reminds me of how I used to be

@@pacmanmcgavin5980 I remember when you were typing anti-vegan comments, did you change your mind?

@@MusicJunkie37 yes. I debated a few vegans and realized I was just plain wrong. I know better now

@@pacmanmcgavin5980 based if true

@@MusicJunkie37 it is true. Just look at all my silly comments

@@rondarkman. OK, meatlover

He said he was! 😆go figure...

As a victim of domestic abuse from my ex husband, I have empathy for the animals I used to eat.

@@pacmanmcgavin5980 Damn sorry to hear that :( Hope you're in a better life situation now.

I think he did at one point. The meat eater didn't answer.

@@freshairkaboom8171 I am. My new husband is very sweet and loving. I appreciate your love and support.

I believe it stems from the absurd anti-vegan lie floating around about Bill Gates being a vegan who wants us all to eat insects.

It's hard to fill a jar that is broken

LMAO right

You know what else is comedy gold? My face.

@@pacmanmcgavin5980 Are you a vegan troll or an animal-eater troll?

@@Uzumaki_Naruto061 I am vegan, thank you.

@@pacmanmcgavin5980 Then it's all right, keep trolling, as long as you are vegan it's fine

I feel like using this approach in his interviews, people will always argue their view, thinking they are right. People won’t change overnight and they all think animals can’t feel. I feel like if he told people the health implications of eating animals people might listen.

@@jessieb7290 The same can be said about health reasons though, a lot of people either don't care or believe veganism is unhealthy.

@Some Guy that's because veganism isn't for everybody...99% aren't vegan, never will be There is no excuse for veganism

@@Trolloftruth "that's because veganism isn't for everybody" That's just your personal choice. Just because you can make a decision, that doesn't make it a moral one. "99% aren't vegan, never will be" That's an appeal to futility fallacy. We're still making a difference, even if said difference is small. Also, source? "There is no excuse for veganism" What about food safety, health, environmental impact, animal welfare, and cost?

@@someguy2819 there is no excuse for veganism

I know!!! lol. I couldn't believe we went through all of that just for that one point. hahaha oh man...

Eat a steak , don't be so angry haha

@@richardcardinale7152 eating flesh is violent , don't be so stupid haha

Good to see he was unfazed by such silliness.

@@richardcardinale7152 really steak helps with anger?, Does the side effects include your stupidity?

@@blakeREVOLUTION no my stupidity come from 10 years of deterioration with veganism. And yes eating only fatty meat put you in a zen state, its so euphoric and calming.

Well he believes in an invisible sky man so ...

It’s crazy how people will say crazy things to justify not being vegan. They say things that even they know are crazy, and they would never say any other time besides talking to a vegan. I did the same thing before I went vegan. But you all talked some sense into me. And for that I am forever grateful.

And plants are alive. Shall we exchange more fun facts for parties?

Plants are alive, bro!

They are. Pacman McGavin knows all about stupidity

Unfortunately I feel you definitely have a point. I want to note addidtively that this must be because most religious people don't understand the real living core around which their religion had been built in the first place..

I think you have nut jobs everywhere. If people are religious, they shouldn’t be judged for that, although some people do bring religion into things to try and prove a point. I don’t judge if someone has a religion; that’s a nice thing to believe in (probably), but yeah connecting it to other things and claiming that’s why you live a certain way or do a certain thing is ridiculous. It’s like when they add that to tv shows and in my opinion ruins TV shows...like when they added biblical stuff to supernatural. Went off on a tangent there, but ya get my point!

the suspension of critical thought and compassion.. makes it look like the devil's work.. and here i was, all through childhood, thinking religion was a good thing it's where the golden rule goes to die.

It's not so much stupidity as they were taught that the universe and all life revolves around them. It's an ego complex

I don’t think he cares

@Zach Attack another troll under the bridge 😂

Religious people have a different definition of right and wrong, its nothing to do with actions and consequences its purely about what their book says.

I loved to eat meat, but why is it so hard for people to give it up for obivious reasons?! It‘s actually scary to see so much people so stubborn in front of good arguments and clear documentation.

@@Weldras Well you must know the answer to that if you were once a non vegan. People literally dont make the physical connection. Even if they're aware theoretically, its not the same as witnessing the outcomes of your actions. Just like if someone finds a wallet they might keep the money knowing it belongs to someone else, but they wouldn't literally steal the wallet off someone. The result is the same, but in terms of your conscious one is easier to do than the other.

@@rondarkman. you need therapy if you believe someone not wanting animals harmed is mental.

@@rondarkman. I think you may need therapy.

@@rondarkman. but you worship animal abusers. Go figure.

@@rondarkman. Yeah making troll comments on subjects you claim not to care about is obviously the behavior of a well rounded individual.

@@rondarkman. Think you’re projecting a little hard here buddy. Make it less obvious next time

Hi Paul. You know I’ve said some not so smart things in the past. I am trying to become a bit smarter

What is a soul ?

Where is the soul?

Souls were made up by religious folk to control feeble minded humans.

@@JB.zero.zero.1the thing you knew what there before you because vegan and realized it went against your ideology

Yeah, just say the word vegan & they all come out like a bunch of dead flesh eating zombies muttering the same schpiel

I see you've created another account.

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 The above one that you keep reacting with on all the channels, the one that is pro meat eating when you suddenly claim to now be vegan. Do you really think you're fooling anyone.

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Lol I see I was right then, your little 'I'm a vegan now' act didn't last long or fool anyone. I guess that was what you have to attempt when you can't win a single argument. Well we've all seen it now.

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Duh, thats exactly what I said, you didn't manage to fool me for a second, you just exposed how lame you are. If you had any decent arguments you wouldn't have to resort to stupid tricks. The fact that you did (and failed) says it all.

@@pacmanmcgavin7034 How is my taking the piss out of your name (which clearly irritates you) somehow a victory for you?

"This guy was so obstinate about self awareness even though human infants and some mentally challenged people probably lack self awareness. And yet they are still sentient. " There's a caterpillar and a pig. They are about to die. You have 2 options: A: You save one but survive yourself. B: You save both but you die in the process. A or B?

There is nothing wrong with religion

@@zachattack9801 except that its the number 1 cause of murder in the history of time

@@zachattack9801 All wrongs stem from religion and are wholly because of it.

@@robinhood6143 ok and just let people believe it I am not telling you that you can’t be vegan

@@zachattack9801 being vegan is the opposite of murder so i would hope so

At the end of the day adopting veganism is just a step in living in alignment with your values, assuming that one’s values includes loving animals.

@@TravisRyan9 Or at least not hating animals. I wasn’t that much of an animal lover when I went vegan. I just didn’t want to see living, sentient beings suffer for no reason. And now I feel more connected with animals, after making that change.

@@ggardner5784 Indeed, glad you made the connection. I pointed that out because, more often than not, people will claim that they’re animal lovers while going on to eat a burger or ribs later that day. If they’re made aware of their cognitive dissonance, it creates a moral dilemma and forces them to introspect on their values more closely.

@@TravisRyan9 I understand. I just want to add that people don’t need to even claim to be animal lovers, because most likely they at least don’t want to see animals suffer for a trivial reason like a sandwich. And if they do wish to see animals suffer for trivial reasons, they may just be a sociopath lol

@@ggardner5784 Exactly right lol, it genuinely concerns me when people seem incapable of looking beyond themselves

@@rondarkman. like I said how do people like you even live 💁🏻‍♂️

Be sane. Be decent. Eat meat. SPEAK UP!!! See how this works, degenerate?