Veganism and The Red Herring Fallacy 

Forcing people into a guaranteed death trap via breeding like unconscious animals is an implicit endorsement of all the bad in the world. There is no human ever forced into this pointless/meaningless/unnecessary death trap existence for reasons that prioritize that human. Ever. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." As Orwell explained in his book '1984' ‘However long you deny the truth , the truth goes on existing.’ - George Orwell "Truth is not whatever you want it to be, it is what it is. You must bend to its power, or live a lie." - Musashi Miyamoto There is absolutely no justifiable explanation for the horrors that await ALL souls after leaving their mothers womb. No choice is given and no ‘positive attitude’ can change it. ...

well.. he looks better than 99% of those working in the 'medical' field. ...@@MrAgao127

Hey man you really should follow NUTRITION MADE SIMPLE. He healed his mother with an exclusionary diet. She could only ear meat too. But he managed to introduce very slowly legumes after a while and she now can ear everything. I know that nutritional science can be confusing but there is a general direction in which the evidence points. He is incredibly good at exlaining it and showing you how certain arguments on both sides are being manipulated or just misunderstood. He is neither vegan nor carnivore as far as I understood but I had to think about you watching his videos.

@CB7ism I agree. And he is looking puffy

you can't do all the mucoid plaque in one day, but zencleans are good shit. lulz. forreal though I know loads of people done the zen cleans one

Vegan 5 years now. No plans on changing that

Farm to table!!! Nah, I use club to baby seal to table.

yeah coz he doesn't eat the RIGHT vegan diet. we are frugivores. i'm sure by looking at him, most of his food his cooked. or he just havent detoxed at all.

Actually there is a proper study that came out not too long ago. It's from Harvard and the numbers and results are outstanding. Go check it out

You put way too much faith in nutrition science and the ‘studies’. I’m afraid it’ll never deliver you’re just going to have to use some common sense and look at other sciences that practice better scientific discipline than nutrition science. Nutrition science is literally a basket case of ideology and bias. Read ‘Change your Diet, Change Your Mind’ by Dr Georgia Eade. It has a great in depth explanation of how nutrition science ‘works’ and it’s limitations and flaws. There are other good books that explain this too but I’ve read this one recently and it’s one of the best in depth complex yet simple (somehow) explanations that I’ve seen.

it will come but it will be funded by some ulterior motive agenda fucks.

That isn't science, did you look it up? It's merely Self-Reported healthy user bias. "Respondents were recruited from open social media communities (World Carnivore Tribe, Facebook, 23%; Instagram, 18%; r/Zerocarnb, Reddit, 7%; Zeroing in on Health, Facebook, 5%; Twitter, 5%; other, 42%)" Inclusion criteria "≥6 mo by self-report". Practically half were excluded for things like duration (6 months, really?) and declining participation lol! Talk about healthy user bias! "A self-selected group of adults consuming a carnivore diet for ≥6 mo reported perceived good health status, perceived absence of symptoms of nutritional deficiencies, and high satisfaction with this eating pattern." And what was the so called benefit? The same thing you get every time you restrict and eliminate "Weight loss and other health benefits were most frequently indicated as the motivation for adoption of a carnivore diet." But, this could be said about every diet, all of which have an 80 to 95% failure rate. "In accordance with this possibility, respondents reported substantial BMI reduction and improvements in physical and mental well-being, overall health, and numerous chronic medical conditions. Respondents with diabetes reported special benefit, including greater weight loss than the overall group, and marked reductions in diabetes medication usage". We already know when you lose weight you experience symptom reduction. All diets do this. There is literally zero science supporting "carnivore". What you're talking about is the most desperate attempt at healthy user bias like ever. I could EASILY blow that away with millions more participants contributing from the vegan community and the vegans would outperform in every way. @@NoonyNewborn

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I agree, 100%. When I switched to Plantbased diet, all of my biomarkers went from terrible to just about perfect, and I’ve never felt better in my life if someone else can find that through carnivore and go for it. There is nothing equal to having good health and feeling awesome every day. I don’t have hate for anyone just trying to be healthy

Well said... at 78 I am over five years into the Carnivore lifestyle... it's just the best and I tried vegan and fruitarian for many years... it only made me sick and in so much pain.

better for your health in apparence and short term, certainly not long term.

b vitamins are amazing right

@@MrAgao127 it's literally the opposite. He was phobic against meat eaters that's why he couldn't make friends. Meat eaters couldn't care less if you don't want steak. Now he would be more than happy to hang out with vegans but for some reason when he was causing way more animal deaths by supporting unethical plant agriculture he felt like he was better than everyone and couldn't hang out at a barbeque. Vegans are simply afraid of being hungry for real food

nobody has prejudice against vegans as much as vegans have prejudice against meat eaters. Let me also make up some theories.. Carniphobia. One explanation for Carniphobia is founded on what is sometimes called the meat awesomeness conundrum: many people who eat plants hate the fact that there are people who eat meat and are healthy, which completely goes against their world view which is usually based on feelings. Meat eaters remind Vegans of this cognitive dissonance, and one way to resolve this inner conflict and reduce dissonance is to maintain prejudice against Carnivores. @@MrAgao127

@@MrAgao127 veganism is the epitome of animal cruelty. Vegetable agriculture is the leading cause of animal death.

@@MrAgao127 you can't debunk something that I see with my own eyes. Nothing kills more than plant agriculture. Grass fed beef cattle is by far the most ethical food. Veganism is the main cause of animal death

Raw liver and fish eggs would have fixed the brain fog. It comes from micronutrient deficiency which is why the original Atkins diet required supplements to make up for the deficiency.

Full of experts, this comment section! 😂

Define "processed".

@@chuck1804 I think you know but I’ll play. The closer food is to its natural state the better. Think the produce section and meat counter. Things that have been designed to be shelf stable with long expiration dates are generally bad for your health.

I started getting that when i started drinking water. I use to just drink milk and juice.. For your hydration just drink coconut water and fruit juices along with the meat no water

that's the stupidest argument ever. and as AI continues to develop, we'll see if you stick to your "highest species takes all" attitude.

@HerculesEinstein I literally eat this way partially because I KNOW it takes far less life (and because it works so much better for my body). It's also the best thing for the environment when done properly....like the farm I buy from

@@HerculesEinstein I mowed 42 acres last week to clear for a macadamia nut farm and there were Hawks following me collecting the dead bodies. Probably killed over ten thousand marsupials. More dead bodies than a lifetime of beef farming on the same land. Vegetable agriculture should be illegal

@@vancemowat7544 It isnt the best for the environment, we dont have enough land and crops to feed enough animals to feed the entire world, but we have enough land to feed the entire world 3 times over with primarily plant based diets, so how can mass animal farming be the best for the ecosystem if the ecosystem would have to be wholly destroyed to allow everyone on earth to live off of animal based diets? The life taken from tractors farming crops is a moot point, because in order to feed those livestock animals you still have to grow crops and will kill random cockroaches and mice and worms and bugs and whatever else your faulty argument is based on. So you farm food for humans and accidentally with no malice involved kill animals, or you farm food for animals and accidentally with no malice involved kill animals, then feed that food to another animal, and then intentionally kill that animal, those animals of which are much smarter and show many higher levels of emotion and agency than the worms and cockroaches that farming kills accidentally that animal agriculture ALSO kills. Why be a sophist? If you like meat just say you like meat and you don't care about animals because you're the apex species, this argument of accidental farming deaths is wholly incorrect and based on either a fundamental misunderstanding of how the world actually works or intentional misinformation to other people about reality, to justify your taste pleasure seeking behavior. Being honest would go a long way, people don't enjoy being lied to their face.

can you say more on that?

​@@Curiousnessifylol Adam & Eve

lol, I'll try to remember that one

The original sin

Because God wanted us to eat steaks, not apples.

Why can't you?

@@bushpig6837 Maybe after eating nothing but cholesterol and saturated fat for a few weeks they get angina and feel like their blood is turning to sludge and they will have a heart attack if they keep doing it. Just spitballing

What injuries did you have

He had the gout​@@mattharrison9550

@@mattharrison9550 I tore something in my shoulder that has caused me pain for about three years. I had a lower back injury from dead lifts that was fairly recent and I tore some muscles in my abdomen a couple years ago that has been very problematic for me still. I almost never notice my shoulder now, lower back is completely fine and I am dead lifting heavier than before and my abdomen is about the same as my shoulder. I am on week 4.

@@mattharrison9550 I also sneeze way less and while I use to wake up with congestion I am now completely clear, no snot or sneezing.

did you eliminate dairy? @@shanebaird543

BS

cows, pigs, chicken all eat more harvested crops than a human....and vegans are not the only people that eat vegetables etc

@@fruitkid4759 chickens are more carnivores they shouldn't be eating crops. And what's your point? With the alleged facts you got from a vegan meme

@@fruitkid4759 people that eat vegetables aren't calling people murderers

@@A1Bokeh people use crop death argument, while ignoring the fact that animals are fed harvested crops to then be killed for their bodies. Then say vegans kill more animals XD because they eat vegetables. how does this make logical sense as an argument against veganism.

how did you go from thinking animal cruelty and standing against it, to justify it btw?

Just googled it - The actual origin of the term seems to be an article written by English journalist William Corbett in 1807. Corbett described a likely fictional story from his childhood in which he used red herring (likely meaning smoked or salted herring) to distract a dog from a hare. I'm disappointed that it wasn't more exciting.

Booth camps are acting like cults 😅

no.

Like "adjustments" they do for their nutritional studies

@@mycomage they hardly ever look at j-shaped curves, in their minds everything needs to be black and white so its all easy

Thank you for typing this so I don't have to

Wrong.

If humans were frugivores and we are meant to eat fruit, why does it decay our teeth? Your logic isn't quite adding up.

@@JonCurtin Only the conventional fruit that is picked way before it’s ripe affects our teeth. Go do some unbiased research on humans physiology

@@Sgarlaid no, anything that is sugar and acidic like fruit rots the teeth. Even vegetable police says so himself. Meat is the only food that regenerates damaged teeth.

A carnivorous diet is our species appropriate diet. Stable isotope analysis clearly shows we have predominantly eaten meat for hundreds of thousands of years.

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@@vegetablepolice doood. noice

Jesus also helped the fishermen catch more fish in the nets. He is the way, truth and life.....We can't earn our way into heaven, nobody is free from sin. Jesus paid the penalty, all we have to do is believe, repent, and trust. ✝

As someone explained earlier in the comments, a lot of animals are frozen in fear. And you just took all their food, what will they eat now?

I live next to fild and when they harvest they sometimes move in to my huse (not that i want them to).. They can survive the frosen ground in the winter so i dont think they starve in the summer.

Red Herring

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@peter your argument is so cringe 🤦‍♂️ There is way more killing of sentient being growing plants than cows grazing. Educate yourself.

Just do meat and fruit juice.. Water is poison and just dries u out.. No spices either.. Just slap butter over everything.. Nonsalted of course.. A lot of toxic stuff on your list not gonna lie

They always just sweep that under the rug and say that it's fine when other animals eat meat but that it's not ok for humans lol.

@@hoon_sol because that's all you do, spew word salad. Debate about non problematic problems that nobody needs them to be solved instead of looking at the real problem, yourself.

​@@hoon_sol ​ You use the same talking points every brainwashed vegan who is possessed by ideology ever uses. You are incapable of thinking for yourself. You understand nothing about health and wellness, let alone nature and animals themselves. You are in no position to lecture anyone.

​@@hoon_solwhy do you think you are smarter than milions of years of evolution?

@@hoon_sol "predation is not inherently necessary for ecosystems to function" Yes it is without human intervention. Herbivores do not self-regulate their food consumption like humans do and have no issue with destroying an entire ecosystem for food. I know you want to debate this but you clearly have no knowledge of ecosystem conservation if you truly believe that predation is not necessary. "Plenty of vegans, including myself, are just as much against animal-on-animal predation" And everybody else knows that this is an impossible task unless humans want to play Mother Nature.

I've only ever said some symptoms improved on veganism, while others got much worse. Pay closer attention. I've not been able to sustain a vegan diet, look at me 4 months ago with 3 giant styes in my eyes, forehead rash, constant gas etc.

@@vegetablepolice don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to come for you. I’ve been watching you for so long because you are an amazing person and whatever you do, I got love for you. Maybe I’m not listening closely enough, but it just seems like whatever you are doing you sing it’s praises and talk about how much better you feel and how you are finally healing until you decide to slip back to another version of what you were doing previously.

Just enthusiasm starting a new diet, hoping I'll heal. Still honestly sharing exactly what I'm feeling. @@amberawchild

@@vegetablepolice I understand. One thing you’ve always been is honest and thats really all we can ask from you.

No one can give you an answer. You just need to figure this out, and find what helps you. You don’t need to be 100% carnivore to reap the benefits. ❤️🍀

I agree with canileaveitblank. You have to use trial and error to find what works for you. I have IBS-C and I tried everything on the planet until I found what works best for me.... no thanks to gastroenterologists.

Are you in pain or just going less often? High fat to protein ratio helps, finding your sweet spot of electrolytes. My vegan poos were super hard to push out, these meaty poos are effortless :)

@cedieave5412 don't add fruit add FATS. But cook it don't eat raw meat you'll get full of parasites.

@@vegetablepolice Hey man you really should follow NUTRITION MADE SIMPLE. He healed his mother with an exclusionary diet. She could only eat meat too. But he managed to introduce very slowly legumes after a while and she now can eat everything. I think it will be at least interesting for you since you want long term healing for your gut. He accomplished it. I know that nutritional science can be confusing but there is a general direction in which the evidence points. He is incredibly good at exlaining it and showing you how certain arguments on both sides are being manipulated or just misunderstood. He is neither vegan nor carnivore as far as I understood but I had to think about you watching his videos.

I agree

All red herring arguments. Who cares about any of that when I can't digest plants?

🤣 Sorry but it was funny. Plus, like you said, you really do red herring your own ass in every video trying to justify it in so many ways other than your health. It's okay you need it to heal. You've tried everything. Be at peace with it.

Just curious since you have refined your pallet so keenly. I learn a lot from your channel. You said grass fed and grass finished was near to impossible to find for any reasonable price. Also, the normie store bought meat you tried was a travesty. Your take on fresh meat would be helpful, I don’t have the funds to get any, so an educational video would be appreciated. Lol, no read herring, try interested on your take. Maybe try some A5 Wagyu Beef from Japan please.

Don't breath air then, it's 78% nitrogen :)

The air they have produced is toxic and has too much nitrogen and little oxygen. Interesting if you look into to the work of breathing argon.natural long ago all elements in small amounts in different quantities were here

He's usually funnier

@@HellHappens I just relate ten times more with this diet and stomach issues then with fruit sugar and plant fiber

I posted 2 videos, go look into their stories.

@@vegetablepolice thank u

From a nutritional viewpoint there’s nothing we need in plants that cannot be obtained from meat but there are many toxins and anti nutrients in plants that we should avoid.

@@leemanwrong Yes, you are wrong. The human body cannot make a lot of the substances it needs. That's why whe need a balanced diet, including plants, to survive and function properly. I have a block all eediots policy so I won't see any more of your comments.

Yeah that'll be it! It's the blood type lol