"It was me, Vegeta. I used the negative speed force to create a speed mirage disguised as you, and while you were knocked out, I impregnated Midnight with my superior genes so that you'll be stuck paying child support for my successor!"
If he can just harness negative speed force energy to increase his power(kinda like ki does but this precedes dragon ball ki), then you bet your ASS he can harness it to increase his physical durability way beyond what it normally would be. Bro can literally control the particles that make up his body.
“He can only run fast” Here’s a list of powers that most speedsters can use, and reverse flash is supposedly at the same level as the flash, even though Barry and Wally are faster, keep in mind there is more than this, this is just all that I could remember off the top of my head. *lightning throw, hand phase, full body phase,speed force constructs, speed healing, time travel, flashtime, infinite mass punch, time remnants, speed mirage* Still with all this, I’m still salty that Goku black lost 😔
@@Thechosen-o4b I mean RF survived being erased from existance, literally a walking paradox, since the speed force protected him. His character is broken as hell
@@cooper291 did he, or did he just thrawrp to another timeline. Someone push the zeno button. Or just call a G.O.D. Your not stopping hakai or zeno erasure
@@Ndasuunye he didn’t “thwarp”to another timeline, the speed force literally protected him, because his ancestor died. And why tf are you going on this tangent with Zeno and Hakai’s, we are talking about GOKU BLACK and ZAMASU, Zeno can erase RF for sure but a Hakai can be overcome by a raw power difference, and the speed force tanked gods before, such as the anti-monitor, or being able to survive anti-matter which destroys positive matter on contact. The gods of destruction might have a tough time trying to hakai someone who can run faster than time aswell.
@@JABRIEL251 he could have got his own kind of ultra instinct maybe “God’s Wrath” or something and would have been much more powerful and faster he could have killed Reverse Flash before he could kill him
@@GazeGamerX Even with Ultra Instinct the speeds that Reverse Flash can reach? It'd be a stretch to say even that form can keep up. Not to mention, the Flash's aren't just fast. They can destroy Universes or even Multiverse (ones MUCH bigger than Dragonball) very easily if they let loose. But ultimately, none of that matter, if Black can't actually kill Thawne. The best he could hope for is a neverending battle.
Also if we talking about ultra instinct vs the speed force who do you think is faster Someone who can dodge people moving 240 quintillion times the speed of light with out thinking or someone who has incalculable speed
More likely Cause Honestly this is Death Battle DC vs Anime = DC wins Cause ``100 Trillion Wide Universe`` DC vs Marvel = Dc Gets their Ass Cleaned off (Except Darkside, Since Darkside Is a Goddamn 4th, 5th Dimensional God Whatever)
@@Easy_Greasey Damn bro, you got my respect. but for real though, Goku black should have go different in this death battle. All these Death Battles aren't accurate in my opinion.
@@andrewjones6583 what was the manga ending. Did zamasu actually die. Also the ending wasn’t “lame” but it was bad because that’s another L for the L counter for trunks Trunk’s L counter: 8 1. Goku dying 2. The z fighters dying 3. Gohan dying 4. Cell killing him 5. Goku black 6. His mother dying 7. His timeline getting erased 8. He had to move to a whole nother timeline
@@gamercentral2417 Zamasu got erased again but it was done differently, when Fused Zamasu got split in half they separated but because it was a permanent potara fusion due to Future Zamasu being a supreme Kai, both Zamasu and Black morphed into two Fused Zamasus who were both equally as strong as the original fusion, and the fight kept going until there was a multitude of them, this was because of Future Zamasu’s immortality from the super dragon ball wish, Zamasu now had a seemingly infinite army of himself in his fused state. Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks/Mai, forced to retreat were also told that future Zamasu also had his own time machine from his conquest in Universe 12 and he could repeat his genocide an infinite amount of times as he pleases. That’s when Goku had to use Zeno because in that state he literally had no other option left because they were completely outmatched and outnumbered by dozens of Zamasus, but he could also follow them to any timeline that they would run. After Zeno, who in the manga Zamasu actually shown fear towards Zeno, was erased, they celebrated and they decided to leave again before being asked that they wanted to stay, now that I reread it it’s not really that much better but if you were to compare the two the manga played it out better than the anime were it felt like a cop out
I knew Goku black was going to lose to reverse flash his speed force ability is broken. You Dragon Ball fans need to realize that DC Comics are built to be overpowered. Plus you're letting death battle take advantage of your anger and your anger makes them cash aka your views.
Not to mention DC has beings that would put Zeno to shame such as Dr. Manhattan, the Anti-Monitor, Barbatos the Bat-God and many more. On another topic, Superman actually punched out an Anti-Monitor level being, the World Forger, a guy who creates multiverses. If that doesn't convince you that Superman is way out of Goku's league, I don't know what will.
3:55 to 4:14 made me laugh my ass off 😂😂 The "Ooh" and just the reaction faces from Vegeta and how he went from shocked to smiling when Goku Black got thrown into the sun 🤣 It's like he was secretly rooting for Reverse Flash
He cant tank a sword. Goku Black is universal. 1 punch from Goku Black and he dies. They mention the infinite mass punch, but that is peanuts to DBS characters on Black's level and that punch knocked out RF. Seriously, it was just stupid, period.
Your forgetting that with the multiplayer of rose puts GB at destroying 360000000 universes, while 1 snap from RF destroyed the dc universe, which is as big as 1 billion universes, and I was High balling GB and Low balling RF So with their stats in mind RF is to strong, to fast, to tough, and had to many counters for dealing with the time ring
@@pedroj3432 All that power means jack shit when you can't hit your opponent. Flash has vibration hax, easily ignoring his durability and messing up his molecules. There is no scenario in which Black wins. Simple as that.
@@Ayuima69 Sometimes anime characters tend to be broken With things like GER, imagine breaker, and all fiction, But Comic book characters have even more broken abilities and characters
@@derathemysticalforce7036 If you know where to look, there are light novels and manga that describe abilities far more consistently broken than those found in comics. You listed Imagine Breaker, which is an ability from the Index series, but there are plenty more broken abilities from Index who are much higher than RF level. Biggest problem with comics for me is the fact that they're so inconsistent. Wally West as the flash is even faster than Barry, but he's gotten humiliated by normal humans like Deathstroke and Batman, who shouldn't even reach 1/99999999th of his reaction speed. DC comics has multiple writers, so sometimes they're crazy powerful and other times they're really weak.
I mean DB Heroes and Jojo's Bizarre Adventure are the only animes I can think of that comes close to DC and Marvel but yeah comic books are very op tho
The speed force really negates any planet bombing shenanigans since he's on par with the flash who can outrun death itself, and the destruction of the universe. Really Reverse Flash does win this fight DC scales differently. Also Reverse Flash has literally survived atomization by Dr. Manhattan. But DC hasn't won all its battles. Batman's gotten a shit record for example, Lex lost to Tony Stark.
@@sithmaster4305 that's the problem anyone with half a brain and a modicum of knowledge of either verse KNOWS reverse flash wins this hands down. This was probably another attempt at cheap heat from them since they know both characters are popular
Speedforce power is absurdly broken as hell. I mean in this episode the hosts even mention how a race between other Speedforce wielders, Barry Allen and Wally West nearly destroyed the foundations of the DC multiverse. Which is very impressive since the DC multiverse is far more vast than that of Dragon Ball's.
Isn’t there, like, 12 or so universes simaltaniously happening in db universe? While the dc for the different universes in dc, they actually referred to different verses?
Zamasu is the one with Immortality, Goku Black is the one who gets significantly stronger when he fights/takes damage(he can be killed under the right circumstances)
Please watch the research next time Reverse flash isn’t just a dude that can run fast like you say, he’s literally a living paradox he can never be permanently killed, even when he was straight up erased from existence he found a way to come back
Flash, superman, wonder woman, and Martian manhunter, and by extension their rivals, are people you NEVER want to fight under any circumstances. On a good day you're just going to instantly lose, bad days you get murdered. Black just had no way of killing him.
@@ias787 it takes time for the earth to be destroyed by a ki blast, which gives him enough time to go back and kill him before he does it. Killing reverse flash doesn't work since he exists in all points in time simultaneously. These aren't just "copies" ALL of them are thawne. He wasn't joking when he said he was a living paradox, that's why fighting him is as if not more bullshit than fighting the flash. Also speed force shenanigans probably allow him to run and survive in space. Don't ask how. Either way it's not just a gg easy like you're thinking.
@@SeraphSeph and again while he is just a paradox if you destroy earth thawne wouldn’t be able to go anywhere. Unless speed force lets you run in space. and we know it can’t because it hasn’t happened before nor has it been stated
@@IamJerf Even then Death Battle probably should've made RF fight Fusion Zamasu from the manga, it was stated both Zamasus were fused to point it's cellular. If RF did the whole ring on the earth thing on Fusion Zamasu, it would create a lot of Fusion Zamasu clones each one equally as powerful as the original. It'd probably be a never-ending fight between an army of Fusion Zamasu clones and RF.
@@JoseC687 Not really, as they said thawne could reverse the erasure of an entire universe, so if that ever happened he could just erase the timeline he is in with a snap of his fingers, killing Zamasu for good as he would be erased along with it
@@IamJerf RF wouldn't be able to kill him anyway. That ring Goku Black has on makes him immune to any time paradox's RF can do. Also, RF can even take a sword to the chest by BATMAN of all people. Goku Black would have no problem impaling him.
I think the difference people gotta realize is that DC was made to be broken. DBZ/S really wasn't, it just escalated (Granted, Super had the most unnatural escalation the series could've produced, to the point that it will never not seem out of place and jarring). I know we see DBZ/S characters as broken (and compared to some other works of fiction they are), but at it's core the power comes from the physical. There aren't really any busted abilities or "hax" in DB and the ones that are there are easy to forget about. You don't really forget the Speed Force as it is integral to the verse. And you even forget about universal threats in DBS. Be honest, did anything in DBS really feel like it was a threat to the universe? Not really, even when they obviously could end the universe. That's the difference: one was made to be broken and the other wasn't. (PS Keep in mind, this comes from someone who hates both series. I think they both are overrated.)
@@apolloknight9521 I don't directly like them, but I do occasionally like to read about them, if that makes sense. Plus, they are kind of fun to rip on.
I will give you part of a thought of mine, DC comics when things go wrong but wrong that it seems that the hope light flicks, that same light shines when necessary at a level that I have not seen in manga (so far I have read about 30 manga different). But in anime I have seen that light shine and have happened in the defeat of Kid Buu and when Goku GT appears with the genkidama (another example Angemon first appearance in Digimon Adventure).
DC doesn’t always win. Wonder Woman lost against Rogue, Batman lost against Spider-Man, Black Panther and Iron Man, Lex Luthor lost against Iron Man and Dr Doom, Lobo lost against Ghost Rider, Batgirl lost against Spider-Gwen, Red Hood lost against Winter Soldier, and so on. DC has lost plenty of Death Battles, so stop accusing Death Battle of favoritism.
My only question is how did reverse flash get the ring off his finger? Even if reverse flash when back in got it before goku black put it on he can do the same from stopping him from getting it
RF blitzes GB so he would take it in the blink of an eye. And this would continue until RF would guess the ring was special, would take it, and destroy it. This fight is crazy but just too one sided no matter the prep or situation.
He can literally phase through Black's hand and dissolve the whole hand or the ring he doesn't actually need to take it off. Speedforce users can phase through molecules if they vibrate fast enough.
And The Funny thing is. Reverse Flash can go Back in time and Kill Future Trunks Zamasu before he Wish to Be Immortal and Kill Him That Way 2. He can Essentially Kill Both Of the Zamasu Duo.
@@KavinCatastrophe in the DB uni if RF did what u said as long as black has the ring that cannot work bc the ring negates his death. So if rf tries to kill blacks past self it won't work unless he removes the ring from black before doing so
Thats because the designing of dc characters goes as such: Designer: Ok i have the new character ready Executive: Ok now make him a god capable of doing shit that's literally not possible Designer: But won't that make them boring? Executive: *D i d I s t u t t e r ?*
Anyone who read DC comics for more than a year knew how this was gonna end. Reverse Flash is more of a god than any of the actual 'gods' in Dragon Ball. I doubt Beerus would fare much better in all honesty.
Actually Beerus could amp his ki to erase him on contact and that erasure would end him living paradox or not because it can wipe you out of other timelines. Yeah, two Zamasu's survived but that's due to Time Rings but that doesn't mean it wouldn't permanently take RF out.
As for timeline erasure. Depending on how the timeline is erased, if the time where he was born is erased but he isn’t there when it happens, it won’t do anything to him. If someone were to try to erase a timeline while he’s still there, he could simply “outrun” it as cartoony as it sounds
He’s traded hands with (and even wins most of) one of the fastest if not the fastest characters in fiction regularly. There are multiple flashes that do some crazy shit. One outran the grim reaper of speedsters. Flash could live out the entire existence of the universe before someone could blink. He can move an entire population of people to a different island before a nuclear bomb could even clear the city. He’s even outran instantaneous teleportation (with help of course) yet he still loses most fist fights with reverse flash
Actually he can since for starters RF is a master at time travel he would realize something was up also all speedsters can sense when something is being messed up in the time stream he can also read Goku Blacks mind and because this is how time travel works in DC RF can time travel and see all of GB life history including all of his stats, abilities and of course the time ring.
Ecen if he did not know how thr Time Ring works, The Reverse Flash is petty as all fuck. He started the fight punching a tea cup out of GokuB's hand.....do you really - if nothing else - put it past him to just fuck with GokuB by taking the time ring even if he thouvht it did absolute Shite?
Not to mention Black relied on the ring for his paradox abilities and Thawne's is self sustaining. That factor alone would've ultimately given RF the win in the end.
Me (facepalm 🤦) Vegeta Did you even see the explanation Just because death battle had DC wins against non marvel characters Doesn't mean they are DC biased towards It's DC fault for making the characters op Also reverse flash survived Dr Manhattan Who can affect THE entire DC multiverse And survived the infinite mass punch which traveled through stars and planets even universes And tanked hits from Barry Allen and Wally west forced Barry to get help from the speed force but Barry didn't agree Barry tried to chase wally but wally was faster and it almost destroyed the entire multiverse And Wally also defeated a 4th dimensional gods who could teleport
And the Speed force is an inter Dimensional source of dark matter energy that provides a particular variation of meta humans known as speedsters with their powers it is also elemental part of the universe and thawne has the negative version of it
The problem with both of them, they are living paradoxes, so they’re basically immortal. But while goku black needs the time ring, reverse flash is one by himself, no item needed.
Honestly I agree with the winner. Reverse is one of the most scariest and pettiest Motherfuckers in fiction and Goku Black need the time ring to be a living paradox meanwhile Reverse Flash himself IS a living paradox, and he has so many hax and speed he could take Goku Black’s time ring and kill him. Speed force is nothing to underestimate with especially with the Negative speedforce. Also he survived getting erased by Dr Manhattan, that should say a lot of how broken he is.
Bro, this fight was awesome but i already knew, even before the research, that RF was gonna win. Its all a stomp after a while of fighting. I say it would be stomp because no matter what Black did, RF would be too fast and would eventually take the ring. Plus, remember, he may not know Black but he should be able to notice or detect the little details like he did with Flash. The ring is on a finger so RF would eventually notice it and take it. Black has no way to learn fast enough of how to actually kill RF.
I mean Batman lost three time bane lost lex lost 2 times, Batman wins 1 lex wins 0 bane wins 0 I don't really see that much bias its just that speed force users are broken.
Dragon Ball was on a winning streak for 6 years. A single loss ain't gonna kill ya. Plus, they've gone on multiple times about how much they like anime and manga more than DC.
Tbf, Vegeta, Dragon Ball has a decent record in Death Battle. Sure, Goku lost twice against Superman and Kirby destroyed Buu, but look at the win record: You vs. Shadow: You won clean Hercule Satan vs. Dan Hibiki: Hercule won Android 18 vs. Captain Marvel: 18 won Master Roshi vs. Jiraiya: Roshi won Beerus vs. Sailor Galaxia: Beerus won Hulk vs. Broly: Broly won So far the record for Dragon Ball is 6 - 4. Also, nice MJF references, Your Majesty.
@@megapulsar9244 Lmao, do you even know this current season is all about matches with history to them? Every MU that's happened this season including this one is either because of fan requests or because it has history with the cres themselves. GB vs RF is the former.
@@Jason-kg8fx And thinking that my comment is a joke proves your lack of knowledge on the win/loss streak this series has. Shadow, Captain Marvel, Jiraiya, Dan Hibiki, Hulk, Galaxia, and if we go into DBX, Silver, Zod, Black Adam, Superboy, Link, Mewtwo, Gon. All of them lost to Dragon Ball characters.
@@jordancrooks6752 goku black also has his otherself with him at all times. if he was there they would have just fused and he'd be fucked. Also the ring and reverse's power even the battle. honestly reverse would have no idea what the ring does and that is the only reason he won the fight
that last one is fact because death battle is mid normally is biased but in this case they were valid because not only reverse flash a living paradox but he also has an immunity to time itself not to mention the only way to beat his for you take the speed force away from him also he tank multiple attacks from flash when flash had the entirety of the speed force in him ( excluding reverse flash own power)
Honestly, the argument at the end of the video is very convincing... Not to mention, you have to have the strength and durability to match your high speed.
Except he does. Thawne was able to counteract the destruction of a universe with his own power. Barry and Wally could destroy the entire multiverse when each universe is bigger than the entire Dragon Ball Multiverse, and Thawne fights with them evenly. He has also took hits from multiversal beings before.
