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Yep butters put it well in the conclusion if anything they are literally adding themes only for them to basically sacrifice them as a punching bag only to use that backlash to insult people that have genuine criticism
Isn't it funny that a movie about a cat did literally everything better than this piece of feces, objectively and was one of the best films of the year?
This show just set back adult animation years and I hate it SO MUCH for that. Who was it even made for?!? I feel like it was made to offend as many people as possible and that it was specifically *engineered* to be hatewatched.
Just as a fun note, the last Mindy Kaling and Glenn Howerton team up the entire joke was that they exploited people overreacting to the 2016 election by alternating between catering to both sides with themed nights at Paddy's Pub.
@@shadowleon659 The most obnoxious thing ever about that broad is that she tries oh-so desperately to pass as a feminist fighter that rose above patriarchy and racial discrimination, whereas in reality she's been literally served on a silver platter higher education AND fame from starring in The Office. She earned NOTHING she has ever been given in her life yet she acts like she had the roughest of starts and became a bright star in the firmament.
@@shadowleon659 Mindy according to various scattered comments on other reviews grew up in a rich family. Any hard times she could experience couldnt match that of your average Joe. This woman practically is born with a silver spoon in her mouth
For some reason it feels like Velma originally wasn’t a scooby-doo show at first. Like I believe that it started out as something completely different but when they brought it to execs they believed it wouldn’t be marketable enough. So they attached an already existing product so it can have longevity. I think the saddest thing for me when it comes to this show is how good the animation is. With all the negatives I have for this show, I can truly appreciate the animation as there are some frames in the show I like. It sucks their talents will mostly go unnoticed because of how bad the show is.
Funny story, apperently that was the thing, Mindy had a original show for HBO Max, however the studio rejected because it was something new so she put a Scooby Doo sticker on the show and...low and behold, we got this
@@neevko267 Yep, but since this is based off of existing characters, people will never let this show go and will continue to criticize it (rightfully so). If it was original, people would hate it and move on.
@@pepsiisbetterthancoke6283 bro who tf is being racist to the show rn, i haven't seen anything and if i have people have been already shafted for it, noone wants to be racist here the show is just bad
When it come to "hate watching" I'm reminded of the animated movie *"Igor"* , where the title character is talking to his creation telling her that the only way to be famous is to be evil. And she answers with "I rather be a good nobody, than an evil somebody." Is making something that gets nothing but hatred from people the only way you can get attention? Is it worth it?
Okay, current Simpsons and SpongeBob are still pretty good. They're just bad compared to their gold standard. I have few defenses for Family Guy though.
@@nicholasho1595 Neither of those yellow belly shows are "still good". One has devolved it's self to nothing but nostalgia bait and making as much, both sound and visual, noise as possible to cling to your attention, and the other became what it was originally mocking in all the worst ways, on top of that, just has replaced it's writers with more and more zombies over the years.
I remember being a little annoyed by the romance subplots and bitterness of Velma early on in Mystery Inc. but at least that show dropped the romance subplots partway through and had character development in it.
Yeah it really developed the whole story with their subplot romances. Especially after Velma became a fifth wheel and learned about the Mystery Inc before them
There's even nuance to it as well. Word of god said they were writing Velma in Mystery Inc to be a Lesbian. But in trying to deny her nature, it forcing shit with Shaggy super hard. Of course it comes off stilted, it's a square peg, round hole situation. Add in Shaggy already has a best friend in the form of Scooby. And eventually learnt to accept things. In Velma, she's displayed as fully Bi, but despite being depicted in show as "The ugly one" some how gets two of the hottest people to fall head over heels for her. And "Norville" was wanting to be with her from the word go and did so much for this literal trash goblin that she kept throwing it back in his face. And eventually even after being the worse human imaginable comes crawling back to save the day. If this Velma was in Mystery Inc, Scooby, all day.
Mindy is the sole definition of the word "Privilege" itself. She grew up in a upper class, went to an ivy league college & never had to struggle in her life to get where she's today now. She made Velma herself insert but this version of Fred is actually HER.
To be specific, the animations for hallucination scenes. Because the animation for regular scenes arent that good, with certain scenes being so bad like the scene where she slids on the road after the baby
Good writing can save bad animation. But good animation cannot save bad writing. The Emoji Movie has good animation. Doesn’t stop it from being one of the worst animated films of all time. Meanwhile, BoJack Horseman has super stiff and cheap animation most of the time, but it more than makes up for it by being one of the best-written shows of all time. You can also see this in live action. The Star Wars Sequel Trilogy looks absolutely breathtaking in visuals and sound, but the story is mostly weaksauce (except for The Last Jedi, which is the only sequel I liked, and I really loved it).
Mindy is the kinda woman to say things like 'I'm just quirky' 'lots of guys cant handle strong women' and 'I can get along with anyone'. You know the kinda person im talking about weve all met them.
I really like what Butters said near the end about minority creators and trying to make good contact, but shit like “Velma” just hurts us. I’m bisexual and I want to include inclusive people in my work, but I want it to be I likeable and enjoyable for everyone.
Ironically, that's what people who hate other shit in the similar Vein as this keep saying. Changing a character's skin color and making them unlikable cunts isn't "representation". Neither are stereotypes. Nobody would have an issue with this show if they did two things 1: Not have shitty Twitter tier writing 2: Not associate it with Scooby-Doo. You could keep the entire cast as is and those two things would fix it
I just wish they came up with new characters, I feel like then they would put in more effort to create a unique one instead of changing an already established character
I'm not even woke (far from it!) and from where I stand, you've been getting hurt for a while. What exactly did trash like _High Guardian Spice_ do for you? Last of Us 2? Captain Marvel? Masters of the Universe? The Last Jedi? Captain America: Steve Rogers? (The one where Captain America was revealed to be a Hydra agent all along, except not really, except yes really because it was retconned in universe by a cosmic cube which _absolutely_ has that kind of power...) All these and many more serve to make wokies look like petty, thin-skinned, infantile lunatics living in a deranged alternate reality wholly out of phase with the rest of us. And maybe you are (all those writers and shill reviewers had to come from somewhere...) but it's not entirely fair to _assume_ that when more likely it's all just a bunch of out of touch bougie marxists from New York and California, a notorious breeding ground for out of touch bougie marxists. If anything, I'm shocked it took _Velma_ to set off your gag reflex. All I'd ask now is that you look across the aisle and see that my side isn't motivated by ists and isms like you might have thought. Maybe we just don't like bad storytelling. Maybe we actually realized that something like Velma was inevitable once sloppy storytelling, cringe pandering, and godawful humor sufficiently lowered everybody's standards. Maybe we knew all this woke irreverence was paving the road to destruction of something actually worth preserving. Maybe you've been told to hate my side for reasons that are complete bull. Consider that, and I'll _try_ to be less smug about how right I was. ...Or prove me right and let this go in one ear and out the other, and we can go back to our regularly-scheduled routine of hating each other. I know what _I_ think will happen. Your standards aren't the only ones to have been lowered...
You can have inclusive characters but you gotta make them natural and fit into the world, don't shine a spotlight on them shouting about how they're different and unique than everyone else, just treat them like a normal person and not a mythical creature. It's really that simple and I don't get how shows like this get it so wrong.
Velma is not a show. It’s more like sitting through somebody else’s therapy session where the person in question seems to suffer from an extreme narcissistic personality and fantasizes about being worshipped by everyone just for existing. Plus she somehow worked in Scooby Doo characters just to play out her weird fantasies. Mindy Kaling really could have save herself the embarrassment of making one of the worst productions involving a beloved IP by just visiting a shrink.
And i just imagined making a whole show about someone being terrible and narcissistic the whole show until the last season finding out it was a therapy session snd she was fantasizing the whole thing and never ends up getting help and suffers for the rest of her life
Mindy seems to have made this her self insert OC just for the rest of the characters to have a crush on her and disregard all of their important personality traits.
I agree with the whole “don’t hate-watch” thing but there’s a high chance that the numbers used to declare the show #1 were fudged. Also Season 2 was announced shortly after the first pair of episodes, indicating the likelihood that Season 2 was already in the works and they just needed a high horse to justify it with, hence the boastful announcements.
And lets say, even if the first couple of episodes did do numbers cause people wanted to see the shit show after watching the Last of Us show (apparently it's alright, go figure). Those numbers MUST drop off a cliff. Who's left by the end of this shit? And who's going to want to come back for more on season 2? Everyone is pretty much watching it through reviews like these. If anything the show has done more for Animation youtubers then it has for HBO MAX
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One more thing, this show doesn’t ever punish Velma correctly. Like, there’s this scene in one of the episodes where Velma insults a cop, and he runs her over. I cheered when that *C U M S T A I N* got nearly murdered, as you probably did, but the show expects us to feel bad for her. AM I IN CRAZY TOWN RIGHT NOW?!?!??!!!!!!??!?????!?!!!!
The hate this show is getting feels so good to see and is very much deserved. People who don't like animation should not be put in charge of animated shows, and Velma is the perfect example of why. It mocks everyone who tuned in to watch, leaving the show with no one as its target audience. It's an utter trainwreck and I hope it doesn't stick around for much longer
i feel bad for the animators because u can tell the love they put into the panic attack scenes, which is such a shame because its velma and they're probably being underpaid through most of it
What I hate the most nowadays in media is - while there are some creators out there trying to make the best story they can from various media such as video games, books, TV shows - there are also some creators that make some of the worst sh*t you’ve ever seen by either thinking what they wrote is some kind of masterpiece or straight up not caring making a good show. I know you said in one of your videos watching terrible story Is a good way to cultivate yourself, but I also think having good shows in general - such as Gravity Falls, Amphibia, The Owl House, Puss In Boots The Last Wish, The Lego Movie, Wall-E, or video games such as UT/DR, The Zelda series, Fire Emblem, Omari, Night in the Woods and more - is way better in general for the audience. Oh ! And also for Velma getting a second season, it was actually already planned to get green light however the show was good or not: it is apparently something HBO Max does.
What’s funny is that in Mistery Inc. Fred’s dad is the mayor and Daphne is the rich one. Guess this just goes with the “throw everything from the past away” idea they had
As bad as Velma is, I wouldn’t say it’s the worst adult cartoon ever. At least the animation looks decent, which is more than I can say about several adult cartoons.
The idea of adult animation and comics is definitely a different standard to what Japan considers "aimed towards adults". You have manga like Yotsuba and Chi's sweet home that are perfectly suitable for children to read, but are aimed at adults still. I really don't know why American creators and studios seem to think that "adult" equates with "overly edgy jokes and objectionable material and characters that are mean and cynical just for the sake of it"
It's really freaking sad that Close Enough, a good animated adult sitcom made by the same guy who brought us Regular Show, gets taken off of HBO Max in favor of the pile of radioactive cancerous sludge that is Velma. I pray 🙏 to God that this show doesn't get a second season! 😱😱😱
An adult animated Scooby Doo show has so much potential, and I didn't even hate the concept of Velma when it was first announced. Shame the writers couldn't put their cynicism and bitterness for their own show aside. The whole show screams 'No one wanted to pick up our original idea, guess we gotta put the skin of a well known franchise over it.'
10:14 incredible how the same joke can be unfunny in Velma but hilarious in Clone High, really shows Velma’s god awful way of telling it’s jokes, from the timing to the deliveries and the jokes themselves, while in Clone High all of these aspects were done near perfectly
It’s not that “right wing extremists think people like me are like in the show” it’s just that everyone knows that left wing extremists are exactly like in the show.
When i tried to watch this garbage "legally" my computer crashed, i had anti virus and a vpn. I'm pretty sure my computer didn't want to process this garbage.
15:20 even this part wasn't original. Bro just stole it from total drama, like dude you're not Heather. ( in s1 talent show challenge episode, Heather, read Gwen's diary to humiliate her on live TV)
With the Nielsen ratings in, I'm starting to doubt the official line that Velma is even getting that many views. I honestly think this is a "fake it till you make it" situation where the company already blew all its money making two seasons and is now just lying to themselves and their shareholders that they didn't royally fuck up.
I love the reference at 5:00 of that guy saying "It's highly illegal to share the blindspot of the White House" but then proceeds to explain how to assassinate the President from said blindspot and getting away with it.
To the People who hate watch shows, unless you’re literally a RU-vid reviewer you are part of the problem. Just stop I want to have good media to consoom.
I'm not entirely sure hate watching is fully to blame, since discussion of this show dropped off of a cliff when episodes 5 and 6 came out. Even the channels I watch that do episode reviews of shows gave up after episode 4, and since the show released 2 episodes a week, it only had 2 weeks in the spotlight. I do find it fucking HILARIOUS that they bragged about being the number 1 hbo max animated original, when there are no other hbo max animated originals, and all that have existed were barely ever talked about save for close enough, and even then. Season 2 was announced days after the first episodes' premiere, so I sorta think it was always gonna get a second season. I will say, I do think it's bad to talk about shows like this, because a.) easy money but b.) twitter discussion does not lead to real viewers. Companies have made the mistake of thinking that online discussion perfectly translates to real life costumers when that never has been and never will be the case. Just let season 2 come and go and then it'll be left to rot in the sands of time. Great video as always, you two together are great!
If you want to see a darker take on Scooby Doo done right. Go watch Zombie Island and Mystery Incorporated. Hell, even The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest is another example of how do a dark and edgy reboot the right way.
It's really complicated. I personally think it's fine if the _audience_ is teenagers and it's not super-explicit. But then Cuties happened, so now the whole Anglosphere is calling for the head of any adult who so much as draws a teenager in a swimsuit because it's easier than understanding why the real crime happened in the first place. I actually defended this show on that front, but then I saw that 1. the intended audience is grown adults and 2. there was a more censored version of that scene they could have used in the final product but didn't.
Dumbsy: "Okay, let's see who's really under the mask." DUNN DUNN DUNN It's Mindy Kaling pretending to be Velma pretending to be an actual character in an actual show. Mindy: "AND I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT..." Butters: "Please just shut the fuck up." The End.
4:33 I can say that you’re correct because I have read the worst fanfics and they mostly understand what they’re adapting exercise for a couple but that’s because it’s a weird confused drunk AU
8:20 the worst part of this joke (first joke, meta humor) is that it goes on for 2 minutes and is followed up by another meta joke and it leads into the actual plot. Not only was it bad, but it was the fight over the meta joke that progressed the plot.
somewhat of a correction: as much as hate watching may not help the case, the show was not renewed for a second season because of hate watching. the show, likely, ordered 20 episodes and split those into 2 seasons. many shows do this, the animaniancs reboot was ordered for a 2 season deal, and rick and morty has at least 40 something more episodes left to be made due to the 70 episode order they had. velma would have gotten a 2nd season regardless of hate watching or not because it had ordered enough episodes to sustain 2 seasons. hate watching only exacerbates the issue but it is not the catalyst.
12:46 probably cuz Scoobert Doobert Doo (Real Full Name) is one iconic cartoon characters of all time and they cant have him be in a adult cartoon saying the F word
If you want a good Scooby Doo series, just go watch Mystery Incorporated instead. I’d even recommend doing so to help rid your brain of Velma (the cartoon).
1:55 congratulations, you did a more honest job describing the show than the trailers. Also, do you need a special attachment to Scooby Doo to realize this show sucks?
The Second Season was gonna happen anyway Many networks in the past had a tendency to greenlight a second season ahead of the ratings Now due to the industry being in a bad place that's happening a lot less than it originally did
