Seriously there’s one change that can fix vendreads and make them at least decent. Have it so the Pringles give the inherent effects from anywhere. Easy
I doubt they would change the existing monsters to accommodate that but I could see future support removing the field restriction, or a continuous card that makes it apply from anywhere.
Don’t know why they even gave them that restriction, the monsters are still better used as link material but you won’t be able to get the ritual effects
That's a wonderful idea! Basically Djinns but specifically for Vendreads. All they would have to say is "if this card is used as material for the Ritual summon of a Vendread monster", it would be perfect
I'm convinced that Vendreads can be good, but they really need some better Ritual monsters and more ways to boost attack. If I may quote Rata, "for a battle focused archetype, their damage output is embarrassing"
@@stevenceja4706after. So we KNOW for a fact Konami could make it good. They just decided to smoke a mountain of meth before designing the card's effects
@fxlja they probably overbalanced these cards because of how powerful Nekroz was, which is kinda fair but there's absolutely no reason why they can't have better support now. I imagine Impcantations help this deck as much as they do any other ritual archetype but its just not enough
@@GeneralAdvance they tried that and succeeded in varying degrees. Cyber Dragon just keeps ramming into you until you're dead. Cubics kill you with burn damage if they fail to OTK. Chaos MAX doesn't care about 80% of the card pool that tries to stop it.
listening to this "failed cards" series, almost every archetype goes into it at some point. Wait a few months and we'll eventually see Naturia in there. "Failed" is too strong of a word imho
Vendread is the biggest case of konami shotting the deck on the head, cuz they are still cool and have great ritual spells and now with scavenger some traps and the field spell are decent, but god the rituals really need an improvement
They're currently part of meta in ocg that ppl side lancea mainly bc of it,it's likely either the same case with ocg or high rogue at worst in tcg @@stevenceja4706
"There's nothing more upsetting than an aesthetically pleasing looking TCG archetype being horrendous". Boy, that opening quote nails it so well. There have been so many of those, I dread that the recently revealed Ashened will follow the same path as Vendread.
I played this archetype in Master Duel during the event that ended on the 29th of January and it was a fun deck to play with plus I managed to win some games. Could you cover the Cloudian archetype next?
Hmm. Maybe I lost to you. My Subterrors lost to a Vendread deck after a very long but exciting back and forth. I vote for plunder patrol as a failed archetype. Most people want them to be godd and they almost are, but not against Spright and later.
If cloudians had more special summon monsters and were slightly more consistent and reliable with their cloud counter mechanic they’d be decent at least.
I play Vendreads. They're pretty good as a Link and Synchro deck and their Ritual spells are honestly one of the best, as all of them can Ritual summon from the graveyard. One under-appreciated feature that both Slayer and Battlelord have effects in which they can search *any* Ritual monster and *any* Ritual spell card; you can build creative decks that way. Their main issue is you have to special summon their main deck monsters onto the field, which often costs resources from the gy. One card that I don't see played with Vendreads is Lich Lord, King of the Underworld, whose effect is not limited to a once per turn, which provides Vendreads tribute fodder. Zombie World also helps a lot (you can banish Diviner and Herald of the Arc Light). I think the biggest issue with Vendreads is the Rituals have lackluster effects when on the field. Sure, Revendread prevents targeting and Chimera (often considered the worst of the Rituals) offers protection, but if you didn't use the Vendread main deck monsters as field tributes, you are often left without the ability to interact during your opponent's turn. One solution is to have either a Vendread Ritual Monster *or* Vendread Continuous Spell that allows you to banish your opponent's zombie monsters from their graveyard instead of your own. This will allow Vendreads to be a pseudo Bystials, and be balanced out by the fact you have to run Zombie World, which is vulnerable to removal.
I love this sort of thinking, having an eye for cracks in the text for archetype effect that open them up support non-archetype plays. Unfortunately, you don't see much of this in duel links.
This deck needs an on-theme Burial from a Different Dimensions that returns up to 5 Vendreads instead, and a ritual spell similar to Scavenger's Ritual Spell
Main thing is Vendreads need more recovery cards. Spells or the like that allow you to quickly recover your banished cards so you can use them again along with adding Vendread Monsters than can grant effects regardless of where they are sacrificed from.
Yeah, needs cards like the ritual Djinns that just give effect regardless of location. would also be good if the was a ritual spell that let you just used the banished monsters
13:10 Every time an archetype has a powerful card that ends up unlimited, it really shows how weak the archetype is. Ursarctic Radiation is another example.
Vendreads is one of my main decks that i play in master duel and i always admire it although it lacks alot of things considering that the current meta decks are Tough to deal with ,yet i play it for fun and i hope it gets some future support , and Ritual support in general since it's being avoided for quite some time
I dared to use the Ritual Djinn and Hand Destruction/Dark World Dealings with Vendread There was this may he were the opponent was MILLING MY DECK! needless to say I won with all that cooperative effort! XD
Looking at the comment section I see some people taking a lot of copium after this vid, sadly it's true, to anyone seeing this comment: Revendread sucks, I would even say it sucks more than pure gunkan if we were at that, I am also sorry to hear that. Archetype art and lore looks neat, sadly nothing else in the archetype is cool
I'm convinced that that one time like a decade ago when zombies were meta scarred Konami ao badly that they refuse to give zombies cards that aren't mediocre. The amount of nonsensical drawbacks and middling effects printed across all zombie cards lets me know there's some sort of grudge
I actually play these guys on a pretty religious basis, both in TCG and in MD, and honestly I think they are one of the best non-competitive deck since they don’t run out of gas easily at all unless you just get a bad start. But if you wanted to make these guys a competitive there I think all that would be needed is a MD monster that gives the effect to make the monster ritual summoned with it immune to card destruction. They already have very consistent ways to get 10k+ dmg on the field, great ritual spells, a board wipe trap, Vendread Reorigin, and a great link monster. Now they just need that little push that’ll make them at least tier 3
I always knew this deck was woefully in conflict with itself and never even rogue-tier. What I didn't know was that it started in VRAINS-era. I doubt this would've been meta in Zexal ffs
This is not like suship where its one card away from being broken, and let me tell you all they need is just continuous trap that detach, zone lock and destroy things like actual warship bombarment, i caj guaranteed that suship will get these shelling-like effect, vendead being ritual and battle themed limit the card design.
I would say that the last support helped vendreads a lot, being able to make an untargetable, banish 1 monster and 1 s/t executor is much easier now. The problem is still that this deck lacks swarming, which is weird for a zombie deck, and that its kinda slow. This is a deck that can see some really good amount of play in duel links, even without skills specific for the deck, if only konami adds the bew support. Heck, they could even make a skill that allows the rituals to gain the monster effects from anywhere, not just the field. Its kinda like how triamids has a deck that flows well, but then theres the trap that banishes the cards instead of shuffling them into the deck for whatever reason.
After watching i can safely say I don't think you've really taken an actual look at the archetype, at least not close enough to realize that it's currently not difficult to get hound and revenant effects stuck on a slayer with just archetypal cards and you also didn't really examine anything with the generic support like uni-zombie which nets you baronne on summon 3 + slayer with hound and revenants effect
This is definitely a case of Konami being too afraid to give Vendread strong support because of the zombie toolbox. Being forced to have the material on the field to give otherwise mediocre Ritual monsters halfway decent effects really forces this archetype to jump through so many hurdles when a normal deck can do better off of 1-2 card combos. Vendread is a really cool theme, but is definitely lacking compared to other archetypes
Just give them a ritual spell that also uses banished and gets the monsters effects. Shuffle them back in the deck. And make it preprep-able by associating it with one of the vendread rather than the Reve dreads
Not even a minute into the video: the fuck was konami thinking? a link era ritual with the effect to banish something from your grave to gain 300 attack. bruh.
You should cover Dark Magician. It really only sees use as a side deck option (as a meme), has over 15 cards to support it but a pure deck doesn't necessarily place or place consistently in really any format. Targeted banish doesn't do much when most cards have protection from targeting and a number of archetypes use banish as a means of floating/ banish doesn't do anything against them and just about the same number of archetypes/ cards make use of nontargeting banish (ex. Metaphys Daedelus & Evenly Matched). Eternal Soul literally kills your Dark magician monsters. The archetype could be rogue but let's be honest, people playing it is playing it to meme. This should be covered
It's so frustrating that Vendread have so many unnecessary restrictions, that only exist to bloat the cards and make them worse than their contemporary decks. But with Vendread should have come a ruling change. Ritual spells say Equal or Exceed the level of a monster but that's NOT WHAT IT DOES it actually means: Equal but can exceed unless the extra levels are not needed. To this day you can't 7 lv1 monsters to summon a lv6 even though logically you should be allowed to. Also also every Vendread monster should have been lv3 it would have solved so many issues as long as they had nothing to do with exact levels since you would gain access to a certain rank 3 that recycles banished cards.
Honestly, the one change that would fix the deck and make it competitive is just make main decks that are starters (similar to diviner or aluber). I've played the deck religiously in MD and it combos fine, but no summonable starters to add consistency is why the deck suffers, it's just basic deck design. Vendread practically just copied what some xyz decks do (hence the on the field restriction), but fails because no starters. TLDR: Vendread has no starters, just give it starters and the deck is fixed.
Ritual spell cards need to be beefed up with lingering effects or more graveyard effects. It eats up a spell card slot and its usually dead weight if its just sitting in your hand. We have pendulums so it wouldnt surprise me if we get Spell/Trap hybrid cards in the future. Vandread Contamination Ritual Spell/Trap Its gonna get ugly as sin because Pendulums are pretty ugly imo.
I'm curious as to if Vendreads would have been good or even a decent rogue option if it had come out a format or two earlier. A lot of these failed archetypes probably would have been strong if they had come out earlier than they had been. For all we know, this one could have been great if it came out with the first wave of Link Monsters. The banish effect could stop early Link Climbing, and popping spells and traps would have probably been a good call to hinder the enemy if they were playing something like Mirror Force to deal with Links. It's just a shame that Vendreads have such an uphill battle going for them. It's appropriate, given the story of the archetype, but just making the main deck monsters restricted to only passing on those effects to Vendread Ritual Monsters probably would have been more than enough of a restriction to allow their effects to be passed on. Maybe this deck could be fixed with a new field spell that recurs the banished Vendreads for constant recycling, and maybe adding in some level manipulation so that they can be more effective in actually ritual summoning the cards. But hey. At least the Vendreads are powerful in Master Duel's N/R format. That's gotta account for something.
This deck really needs a one card starter, just a card that adds a ritual spell and sends a vendread to the gy. Then you can finally stop playing bad cards like pre prep. If you could add evolution or if the new one mentioned slayer, then pre prep would've been the best card in the history of ygo 😂
Scar of the vendread doesnt banish itself, it always comes back and counts all tributes made. The ritual however does banish itself. But yeah vendreads should lose the "on the field" or just dont banish itself to be actually good and simulate the unstopabble zombie horde that it tries to do. Another fix could be merging vendreads night with nightmare so at least you can make a beatstick
The deck needs archetype specific djinns, a means to recycle materials better, and even a card that allows rituals to gain the effects of the materials from anywhere. The deck isn’t so broken that it needed this level of restriction 😢
The fact of the matter is that vendread half-assess being a control deck not letting you use the rituals in it's full potential with the complementary effects that the main deck monsters give them, and they also half-ass being one of the best Zombie and Ritual Engines to any generic zombie and/or ritual deck.
That one trap card is also could be sleeper op because of it's ability to do special summon the materials and ritual summon all in one card. Again the problem with it is getting the card either in the gy or field easily and consistently
The main issue with this archetype is that the materials need to be on the field to give the extra effects. Sure Mezuki, Book of Life, etc facilitate that a bit but it’s still super clunky. They need to either errata the cards or make retrains that grant the effects when they’re used as material regardless of where they are. They should also make a card similar to Nouvelles “At Table” so they can recycle monsters and ritual spells from banishment (ha ha! New keyword!)
@@xelius2683Piercing and excavate are 2 of the few keywords/official terms we have. Prior to PSCT, prercing was used once with the Duelist Pack: Zane reprint of Cyberdark Horn. Excavate debuted as a keyword when the Sylvans debuted. With more and more cards interacting with banished cards, out of play cards kinda needed a collective term. For example Pokemon calls where their banished cards go The Lost Zone
N/R FORMAT MENTIONED! Thanks for mentioning the greatest alt format and how we are constantly wondering if we have to ban Scar or what we dub "Branded Fusion" (the ritual that sends materials from deck)
Still using Vendread in Master Duel, and it's still good enough even before Ravenous and Scar was released. Revendread Evolution was great, even if it pop your ritual at the end phase, the point is just to put your Slayer or Battlelord on the field, so you can link them into Savior and triggered their grave effect. Or even better, if you open with Diviner of Herald, you can Synchro Slayer and Diviner into Ultimaya. Though the deck release time was terrible. Their initial release is during the era where things like Gouki U-Link, Summon Sorceress, and Firewall Loop exist, and three years later when it released the last support, the deck can only be 'Decently playable' because the game already evolved so far.
Man. Vandreads being as Bad as they are makes me sad. I LOVE the Idea of a "Build your own Boss Monster" Playstyle (One of the many reasons I want to get into the Current Digimon TCG), but To see it Executed so Sloppily just hurts man. Zombies are also one of my top favorite Monster types in Yugioh (Only Being beaten out by Machines) due to just how powerful their Graveyard abuse is compared to other Monster types. Really, it's just frustrating that the Vandread Non Rituals only grant their inherited effects to their Boss Monsters when used as Material from the Field, yet the Archetype itself has little to no Swarming Potential that isn't reliant on Generic Zombie Support. It's telling when the only Vandread to see play in General Zombie Decks is the Link 2 that Weakens whatever it battles while also Burying a Zombie (Which is especially good if using the High level Zombies like Alghoul Mazera, Balerdroch and Eldlich) and otherwise has nothing to do with Vandread's intended playstyle.
Aethestically a corrupted hero slaughtering waves of zombies, stealing their powers as he gets stronger, fits a battle focused archetype in gameplan. Its just that the mechanics do not fully line up. Slayer has to start off weak (2400 ATK) as to implement the gaining power from battling and inherentance effects but that does not suit the fast paced game. Are all these hoops really worth jumping through compared to playing any other OTK Deck?
I love this archetype A lot and I tried many different decks to make them work and found a pile zombie world works best, but even then It's win rate barely above 50% just too weak of a archetype however I feel like its one more support away being rogue ( I'm in denial )
Honest question: Since Vendread is both a Ritual Deck AND Battle focused, would 1or a couple of copies of "Ritual Weapon" be helpful to them? Asking as a noob...
The next failed archetype that should be discussed is Super Quants (Power Rangers)! They desperately need support! Spells and traps are awful (except maybe field spell)! Link monster doesn’t do enough. More main deck quants like a Black Quant etc. With a powerful XYZ boss monster, the theme of powers rangers throughout the XYZ monsters, this needs search ability, speed, alternate win condition, etc.
Ooh, what about a video on Machinas? They've gotten TWO structure decks (Machina Mayhem and Mechanized Madness) and are still only good for the level 10s and the Machina Redeployment package! The deck itself is inconsistent at best. You could also do one on Infinitrack, which is coincidentally also only cut apart and put into other decks since it cant do much alone. EDIT: You like failed TCG exclusives, right? Make a video on Myutants!
messed around with the vendread loaner during the theme chronicles event and it felt clunky. considering you need the monsters on the field to grant their effects to the ritual while the ritual spells let you use the graveyard and the monsters would banish themselves or others for meh at best effects. you want to play a ritual deck that messes with the graveyard just go drytron. Scar and ravenous felt like the only that were actually doing something.
Charge is the key. It is all the gas needed to make the deck work. I played against some of those Vendread players and I saw lines they didn't where them summoning Slayer with both banish effects would have put me in a hole wouldn't have recovered from. It is a hard deck to figure out though, so I get it. Once you realize Slayers gy effect is not once per turn, it becomes easier to see the lines and grab the right ritual spells.
Why do i now want this deck. I like the story and the designs. I think i have ideas on trying to make a minor fix for them but id need time to make a plan on it.
Vendreads frustrate me. Bar none they’re some of my favorite aesthetically, and having the tragedy of Slayer’s burning hatred of the Vendread preventing him from being turned fully, only to have to kill the controlled corpse of his lover: perfect. But I swear Konami must have a fetish for cucking this poor hero. Well, here’s hoping Scar of the Vendread opens up some more room for the lore, and I pray to whatever deity may be out there the next wave doesn’t suck.
I miss the 5D's era where Plants+Zombies was a very exciting deck to play. Right now if I'll ever be playing zombies, I'll be using Eldlich stun. A bit less exciting, but still the safest.
Omg no wonder my vendreads don't have additional effects. They have to be on the FIELD to give additional effects? So in addtion to needing the ritual monster, the ritual spell and tributes, you additionally need to spend normal summons to get them on the field. Whyyyy. They're nigh unplayable them wtf.
They probably figured being Zombies would balance the "on the field" drawback. Personally, I prefer it when Konami remembers to balance out cards. Pity they tend to overdur it *when the remember* though.
Vendread wasn’t good because it was a zombie archetype. Any zombie cards made after like 2007 had to be over restricted by Konami. Konami not only made these cards effects have to work on field unlike djinn which came out before them but they had different levels so you could have multiple in hand or field and still not be able to ritual summon.
I got my first “King of Games” rank in Duel Links using Vendreads. I’ll be the one to tell you, the archetype is strong once you know how to use it but I’ll be honest. It really is lacking. I love Vendreads.
....It may not be much but Vendreads managed to stand-in for eldlich's absence in the event. Funny how battlelord stomps Avramax spams when vampire tribute is out of question.
In my head cannon, at the end of his story, the now Avendread Savior and his actions of saving the city had caught the attention of the HEROES and are actively trying to recruit him to their team. Perhaps we'll see a HERO version of Avendread Savior?
Considering how it seems like every really bad archetype has 1 or 2 generic cards that are so incredibly powerful that they are used in everything except that deck, it shows you just how meh Vendread was. It wasn't bad enough for them to get a generic card that can flip the meta but it wasn't good enough to really go anywhere without major support or changes in the future.
When there ever gonna be top 10 best things like Top 10 best dinosaur monsters Top 10 best dragon monsters Top 10 best cyberse monsters Top 10 best flips monsters Top 10 best link monsters (not link rating like 4 3 2 1 link monsters)
How to fix vendread? Make them more like nekroz, i mean seriously ritual summoning needs some love, megalith + nekroz + impcantation + vendread or cyber angel if konami combined these mechanics i'm sure people will like it, and i think nekroz now can be unbanned it's not as menacing in the current meta imo just don't release djinn is all that matters
What i find strange is that there are a bunch of cards that treat their names as "Revendread Slayer", yet no Revendread cards specifically give monsters with that name any special benefit. With Ancient Gears you have a bunch of incentives to run several Ancient Gear Golems, but here Slayer doesn't get anything at all outside of cards that help the whole archetype in general.
Don't know if it's just me, but such videos should just be called "Decks that not alot of people use". Seriously, just because a deck is not meta relevant and used by everyone it doesn't mean that it failed entirely.
I bought only one pack of Circuit Break and pulled a Vendread Chimera. A secret rare. A beyond horrible secret rare. Could have been a Borreload but guess luck wasn't on my side that day.
I’ve had some success with Vendread in MD getting to Platinum rank. The deck just needs some decent support and I hope Konami doesn’t forget about this archetype
if the ritual effect could be applied when used from anywhere would really turn the deck around, but if they had addition minor effects when banished by a vendread card then the cost wouldn't have been so heavy. like if banished, send from deck to graveyard a vendread that is a lower level. of course once per turn
Maybe if they had a card that returned monsters to the GY from the banished zone, then once per turn drew a card from it, maybe even searched on activation. A Continuous Spell, to make it balanced
Just make a level 8 or high level ritual fodder vendread monster. Also just add a card that lets you search a specific vendread card. Fix about every archtype.
I disagree,im using them currently in MD,there win rate is about 50 to 60%.Yeah for sure there arent perfect,but they definatly didnt deserve to get so underrated.
They really need better tribute fodders ala Drytron that don't require to be on field to gain effects bs and better Rituals for that new Vendread Ritual still bad.....😒😒😒😑😑😑
I don't know man I saw a vendread have an insane comback from labrynth to win and I seen it play through 6 disruptions. I've seen it shut down meta decks and I seen the dude take the archetype to a regionals
an easy way to fix all the problems would be to make the pringle monsters count as the whole tribute for the ritual summon of a Vendread Ritual Monster. That's it.
duel logs i am speaking directly into your ear now you will make a failed mechanics video on the bonding chemical monsters if you dont your house will be filled with GAS
it really seems like vendread is good in a vacuum, like discarding cards isn't a steep cost because the deck has so much access to the GY. but then once it leaves it's vacuum and we compare it to other cards that do the same thing without hardly any cost it doesn't stack up
I still don't get why Revendread Slayer is once per turn tbh. Searching a ritual spell only after being ritual summoned is not so good that it needs a restriction.
