It’s a way of getting your evidence ahead of time so they can counter it. Simply fill out forms, do not confide as a co-complainant. They are not on your side. They file paperwork, and use regulations to their advantage. Get the company handbook. Understand the company handbook. Know your rights before an issue arrives.
Nobody is on the employee’s side and that goes from government down to other employees and the EBT-card holders they are slaving to feed with their taxes.
idk if that how it is in other country. but from my experience. Hr maybe on the side of the company. but the ppl that work in the hr themselves, is on your side.
@@KingSidJames to not be an ass? because they're also an employee that've been in my place once? because the rule is dumb and they dont personally believe or respect it but the job pay the bill? because they would have done the same in my shoe so they understand me and dont wanna punish me or throw me under the bus???
I’m so non-confrontational, but I’m getting a LOT out of these videos. It’s helping me organize my thoughts, and get closer to the point where I can stand up for myself at work.
I was Veronica, they fired me. When I asked why they said YOU DO NOT FIT INTO OUR WORK STYLE. I didn't work OT, they couldn't never reach me on my days off, there was a click that would be late the bosses friends she hired I'd go find a boss when the clock would be 30/45 mins late. Just a very oppressive place to work.
Bosses will stalk employees’ social media….but to your point, they may argue that her social media is affecting her productivity, or she posted from company equipment on company time, blah blah blah. Freedom of speech is not unlimited.
@@lanceknightmare yeah, many companies hate that. i know when i worked in IS we blocked access to social media for 99% of employees. hors worked is easy to measure and has long been what is used. for remote workers hours worked is totally useless because it is so easy to fake. they need to pay, at least remote workers, by the amount of work you get done. of course if you get a really difficult task and fail to accomplish it, do you not get paid?
Yep oldest trick in the book this person is pretentious as hell and is immediately hostile as soon as she's spoken too I'm guessing she's an HR major who's never worked anywhere before cause you try to talk to your bosses like that in the real world gonna be a target on your back and they'll find a different reason to fire your ass simply cause you caused them problems and management doesn't like dealing with problems
@@doctormalleycatLol....spot on. You go ahead and try responding to your upchain in that tone and tenor. See ya! Btw, the right to free speech only applies to infringement by a governmental entity, not a private company. And most states are "at will". In other words, the company WILL dictate to you, you WILL comply or you WILL be out the door. It's not right, it's not fair, but it is LEGAL!
That's why it's generally up to you to create your own. Forward emails to your personal accounts, record conversations, etc And obviously don't tell them that you're doing this. They will try and use company policy against you to silence you if you let them know that you're doing it, But the truth is that it's not actually legal to prevent you from creating your own paper trail. That's basically interfering with your ability to have your own evidence and therefore interfering with the laws that protect you. In the event that it came to a legal dispute involving lawyers, it would be considered obstruction of justice.
Or "We're not the government, you absolutely have the right to free speech. We're a private company and we have freedom of association, and as such, we're choosing not to associate with you anymore."
"Veronica! Why on earth do you refuse to be the abject coward that I am?" Turned up at an HR disciplinary hearing a lot of years ago. Allowed to have a companion to help me. The companion was a lawyer. You wouldn't believe how quickly that hearing moved into reverse - they really should have been fitted with beepers.
@@Treasurerose11 One of the main things I learned over half a dozen careers is that bad management isn't simply ineffective in a business sense. For some reason they almost always considers themselves fireproof. And they're always wrong. Apart from anything else, if they're middle-management they never grasp that - despite their pathetic ass-kissing - the top floor will throw them under a bus as readily as they will any other employee.
Or, for that matter, herself. We don't know that her real name is Veronica or that she really works in an office. We don't, in fact, know that she is a she. It could be a guy named "Biff" who pumps gas.
Exactly I wouldn't care personally especially as nobody can identify them. The racists who got fired were because they got identified and the company made the decision not to be affiliated with them. My company required a covid vaccine and the union agreed. People left and some whined but it was common sense for an office that didn't want to have people out sick over it
@ThatGuy182545 ~ Veronika has mentioned that these vids are based on experiences she's had with different employers. (I think she said she had been in call centers (?) for 6 years,)
HR is NOT and has never been there to support the employees, THEY ARE MOT YOUR FRIENDS ! They are paid shills by the company, do not talk to them unless you have your lawyer with you.
@@TheTonyEd Ah certainly, fire them after privacy was violated, and threats were made. Now the lawyer's DEFINITELY getting involved. Cause I guarantee you Veronica started recording the conversation 20 seconds in.
Sadly my attorney said " you're an at will employee and they can fire you without any explanation. Just like you have the right to quit at will." The attorney went on to say it's most likely company politics and you'll never get an explanation." Better to be self employed.
A company can't fire someone for a discriminatory reason... For example because of their race, religion, gender identity, or sexual orientation. I'm pretty sure they can fire someone for their speech though. The first amendment doesn't apply to private businesses, only to the government. So, like when people get fired because of viral Karen videos for example... That would be getting fired for speech. If an employer found out an employee was posting a bunch of pro-Nazi stuff on social media, I think someone could be fired for that. Free speech does not mean free from the consequences of said speech. Just means that the government can't outlaw it.
@@Exis247Sure, you can spend the time and money to sue. And you'll never recoup either. Infringement of speech/expression doesn't apply to a private entity.
@@Exis247 you cannot, your 'Right to Free Speech' is only protected from government action. You could sue the government if they put you in jail for your speech, or you were given a fine for your speech or something to that extent. But a private employer can just say 'I don't like what you say' and fire you for that reason and it is 100% legal. You can be fired for political opinions, having a bad haircut or really many other reasons, as long as it's not race/gender/medical/military/. All the talk on the internet of 'Oh that employer better watch out you have to call a lawyer and get a big payday' is just useless power fantasy. That's not how the law works. There are very few worker protection laws in the USA and until those laws are changed or added to, then employers have the upper hand. Now, you might be able to (especially if you are a person with very sought after skills) get a job with a special contract that allows you to have certain rights, which could be legally binding, but I think the vast majority of people will not have that.
The real change in Corporate America--where companies stopped rewarding hard workers with raises and promotions, and stopped valuing merit and productivity and seeing those traits as a threat and liability--happened at EXACTLY the same time when they changed the name of the Personnel Department to the "Human Resources" Department. They stopped viewing their employees as Persons (with loyalty initiative creativity, and feelings), and started seeing them as "resources" (like toner cartridges or desks...)
You are so right instead of being people the weakest part of a company the Personnel Dept (all min wage employees who ONLY HANDLED paperwork) became a underpaid god force in most corporations even though the average HR employee is still the lowest paid in the Company; The attempt to dehumanize the employee has created this bureaucratic nightmare;
Veronica doesn't understand the right to free speech. The constitution prevents THE GOVERNMENT from infringing on your speech or jailing you for your opinion. It doesn't stop your BOSS from having rules, and it doesn't protect you from consequences from your job, (like getting fired), for what you say.
When working for a F500 I and all my coworkers kept all the supervisors in the company blocked on facebook. Just in case. Social media isn't a thing on the internet. It's the part of your real life that intersects with the internet. You don't owe it to work to change or forget who you are.
But ... but ... but . I'm your MANAGER. I'm GOD and you are a little peasant who must bow and scrape when I walk past ... The power trip of every newly-promoted supervisor
Veronica must have a union job because most jobs in at-will states can fire you for ANYTHING as long as it’s not discrimination against a protected class.
Wrongful termination can also a very costly battle for the company……and lawyers only need to show intent of wrongful termination to get a huge settlement for clients.
@waytoocoolforme ...rarely will you get a settlement or a lawyer that'll take a wrongful termination case. You're probably thinking of a "back-pay" or compensation case they are different.
@@waytoocoolforme the number of wrongful termination court cases that result in a 'huge settlement' for their clients is a tiny minuscule fraction of the ones that result in their clients spending a lot of money for nothing. At best you might get backpay for the time you were fired, but even that is going to very rarely happen. And keep in mind, the whole time you are in that court battle, you will be unemployed- and if you are in the process of suing your employer, or sued your employer in the past it WILL come up in a background check and will be a major red flag for hiring in the future. In the USA our laws protect very very few workers rights, and until those laws are changed there is very little that we can do from a legal standpoint. But then look at our politicians and look at the voting base. Our laws aren't getting any better any time soon.
Employment contracts go both ways. If you're fired for breaking a rule, and you can prove that rule was not broken, that's wrongful termination. It's not hard to record conversations and emails. My uncle was fired from a job for violating non-compete. He lawyered up and a judge determined that it was not in violation of non-compete, and he was awarded 1 year salary and his full severance package. It is illegal for a company to tell you what you can or cannot do in your free time outside of it being explicitly mentioned in your employment contract. And even those are limited to what they can and cannot control. Social media rules can be something like, "Don't mention the company in your posts, or use company devices." To threaten you with firing or other issue at work. That's a pretty cut and dry harassment case; and again, it's not hard to record conversations and emails. Sure, the first amendment right argument isn't valid, but everything else is. The point is that work doesn't have the right to dictate your freedom when you're not at work. And frankly they don't have that right when you're at work either.
Correct. A private employer has every right to expect an employee to behave according to company guidelines. You absolutely have the right to free speech but you also have the priviledge of suffering the consequences of that same free speech when it crosses a line.
1. Scare them badly enough and they will be afraid to fire you, because they know that you know your rights and you'll fight back. If you are generally a good employee and they merely wanted to threaten you to make you compliant, they will probably think it's easier to just make sure you don't get promoted and keep you than to let you go and risk you getting angry about it. 2. Never, ever use a former employer as a reference. Even if you think they are going to be good, they may stab you in the back or blindly say something that makes you sound bad. Always get someone you worked with there who likes you to act as a peer reference. Far more predictable, and they're not likely to do the things that will scare away an employer.
At 1.01 Veronica is stating that HR or her boss is trying to infringe her right to free speech. But the First Amendment states that “Congress shall make no law…….abridging the freedom of speech…” (and this also includes state, county or municipal legislatures) it merely protects a person’s freedom of speech from any sanction by any organ of the state. The idea that it protect one’s freedom from sanction by any private organisation is not true. If one expresses views which are unacceptable to a private organisation or is deemed to bring that organisation into disrepute (eg expressing anti-Semitic views or pro-abortion views) one can be sanctioned or dismissed. The First Amendment does not give one all encompassing freedom of speech. Veronica’s threats of legal action are actually a bluff.
Very true. Her only argument that might protect her is that she is engaging in protected labor organizing activities. Especially of they are dumb enough to say thst people from work are reading it and therefore its disruptive. At the point where shes encourgaing peope at work to stick up for their rights, it starts getting into thst. Its still kinda sjetchy and i wouldnr wNt to be un the position of having to rely on that to defend myself. But theres probably some meat there. But it might make somone back off. And depending on the situation, it might make somone bavk down. But more likely they would just find a different way to fire her.
Manager should have never given a heads up. Should have just let HR take care of a situation like this. If this was just a scare tactic from the manager then it obviously failed and Veronica should contact HR herself. And depending on what state she lives in or what she signed when she got hired, she can definitely be fired for social media presence that harms the company.
And then file suit for wrongful termination and let a court or an arbitrator decide if and how Veronica's media presence "harms the company" and to what, if any, extent.
@silverhammer7779 depends on the state. At will states (every state besides montana) can fire you for any reason (except an illegal one, or for no reason). You, just as well as I, means you could get fired for dang near anything. You could spin up a wrongful termination, but that's a huge financial burden on the filer.
@@TwitchyHarpIts already illegal to fire someone for informing others of their rights. In fact, it’s one of the big no-no’s the triggers an investigation into the company.
If they fire her for the videos, it’s an easy lawsuit. Telling people their rights, in any way, does not hurt a company in any way the law considers legal.
I'm assuming you were referring to the part in the video where the manager said she's putting the company in a bad light. Which, how could she be if she never mentioned where she works. In which case, great point.
@@silverhammer7779For legal purposes yes. If they want to do anything to her about it, they have to prove she blasting the company specifically. Which they can’t.
Usually Veronica is on point but this time she made a mistake. A company cannot violate your first amendment rights. They can violate labor laws, they can be guilty of discrimination, retaliation is also illegal but not your 1st amendment rights. Your first amendment rights can only be violated by the government. Your employer can tell you what you can or can't post on social media and you are under no legal obligation to do what they say. This can get you fired and you might possibly have a wrongful to termination lawsuit but not a 1 amendment lawsuit.
The first Amendment and other's we refer to as "rights" are not given to us by the Constitution, the Constitution lays out that the government legally cannot violate those rights and has an obligation to protect them. The rights exist separate from the government and so other entities can still violate them. Referring to those rights by the amendment that outlines what they are is just a shorter way of stating them. Free speech for example can be misconstrued in its meaning while saying First Amendment is more precise. As you've stated violating Rights can lead to consequences for non-governmental entities as the government has an obligation to protect those rights. Because of this I do not see Veronica as being wrong in the way you seem to infer.
@@bregenoranthoran1820 the first amendment only protects your speech from the government, there for a business can't violate your free speech rights. For example I can cuss at and call a police officer derogatory names and aside of running a foul of disturbing the peace laws I can't be arrested or fined for cussing at and calling that police officer names . On the other hand business have code of conduct policies and cussing at and calling a coworker derogatory names absolutely can get me fired from that work place and it is in no way a violation of my first amendment rights. Like wise I can post and say what ever I want on social media and not have any fear of being arrested (with a few exceptions) but the social media platform is well with in their right ban me from their platform for conduct they consider unacceptable and that is not a violation of my first amendment rights, also my employer can decide they no longer want to employ mee based on my social media conduct and that again is not a violation of my first amendment rights. So yes in these scenario where her employer is asking her to delete her post there is no first amendment violation and Veronica threatening to sue over it is wrong.
@@thisfool89 Actually, if Veronica's social media is about worker's rights or discussions that are protected speech of workers (forming a union for example), then it could fall into it. Also, Veronica states she's not violating company social media policy, which means the company has a policy and as such is bound to that policy. The company can change the policy, but as of now, Veronica hasn't violated it. The manager is actually wrong here. Veronica is also wrong in that freedom of speech doesn't apply to private companies. She's making the wrong argument.
@@bregenoranthoran1820 Veronica can not be forced to curb her speech online, but if her boss doesn't like her content, he can fire her unless she has a contract laying out restrictions to online content that she has violated.
Just make sure you have your phone on record in your pocket--even if it's not necessarily legal in your state. They really don't like knowing you have a personal record.
That depends on the country. In Germany for example it was ruled that for freedom of speech to mean anything, any body with power over you, including your employer, can not be allowed to infringe upon it.
It should bother me that people keep trying it with Veronica, but if they did not, we would not have these super good and super hilarious videos. And me without my damn popcorn!
Yes, but that right has nothing to to with private businesses and your job. Freedom of Speech means you can't be imprisoned by the government for your speech. But you can most certainly be fired for it.
As an HR student in Canada, I have seen social media stop some from getting an interview 😮 Some companies have new hires sign a 1-3 page policy on internet use & social media practices 😵💫
You do not, in fact, have a right to say anything you like and *stay employed*. An employer can definitely fire you for using your free speech. Your "right to free speech" only means "the government can't put a gun to your head and tell you that you're not allowed to say that" - literally nobody else can violate that right. The moment anyone starts screaming "free speech!" for anything else, I know they don't know what they're talking about. An employer has certain limits of what speech they're allowed to fire you for, but generally if you go around saying "My favorite color is blue" they are allowed to fire you and say that because their logo is green they feel you are telling people that their logo isn't beautiful. If an employer decides that your "free speech" isn't pleasing to them and fires you, they are not violating your rights. You still have every right to say what you want and go work for someone else who doesn't mind it. Veronica would have a much better argument to say that courts have found that an employee has the legal right to tell others what their rights are, and she didn't even mention what her real name is, what she really does for work, her actual gender, or where she works (we don't know that she is a woman named Veronica that does office work, she could be a guy named Ralph who is a mechanic and has a woman who does voice acting for him for the videos), so if they let her go that would probably be illegal retaliation against her for lawfully telling others about their rights.
@@thescott7539 That depends. Companies either have to have a clearly defined social media/public persona policy or have to prove that someone acted in a way that would harm the company or its interests. There is also such a thing as protected speech, and people cannot be penalised for engaging in it.
I know it's a skit, but gotta live it when the boss stumbles & stutters their conversation. Realizing that they must choose their words very carefully.
First rule of thumb, HR is not your friend. I got chewed out by my manager/HR for not writing my birthday down on a sheet of paper she passed around during a staff meeting. She acted like it was her right to know why I refused to give consent. I told her my reasons were personal, and therefore none of her business. She told me "just so you know, I do all the payroll and have access to that information, so I know it's next week." I told her "just so you know, this conversation should have ended the moment I said I didn't want my employer imposing themselves in my personal life, and I'd appreciate it if you'd respect my boundaries." It blows my mind how managers get that little bit of power and think it makes them the ruler of every aspect of their subordinates' lives.
"You can easily lose your job if you said something in an online forum that insulted your boss, the company you work for, or a co-worker. You can also be terminated if you expressed an opinion online that goes against your employer's image." Getting your lawyer involved does not alter that. It just drags it out. Meanwhile, you're still fired.
Depends on the state. Not all states are at will... Some companies, the hr policy is so around to terminate an employee, they may be placing themselves into trouble by not following their hr policy... And an attorney is probably more capable of determining if they engaged in wrong doing. But... My issue with this code is that the first amendment doesn't apply to private companies including upon free speech rights of the employee... As it is only directed at the government.
@@jdramirez77 Your so right about that. 1st amendment speech has no bearing on a private entity. That said, one can criticize companies in general and offer advice on protecting one's workplace rights without mentioning a particular company. That's where people fall down and whine about their 'free speech'.
I ran for congress and I have many views that don’t align with the programs my company supports. I was very blunt on my stance in certain areas. Of course, I made my profession known in my campaign, but I never mentioned my employers by name. I never received so much as a call from HR or upper management. I enjoy my career and enjoy going to work. I am very proud to be working for my employer and thankful for the opportunities they give me. I am so thankful for the mutual respect we showed each other even though some ideas didn’t align.
Social media has really tainted the work place and not for good. I read an article saying you don't stop being an employee after your shift ends and questionable behavior can hurt the company based on what you post on social media. Well if they expect me to represent the company 24/7 i should be paid 24/7. If i do legal thing regardless of how it's viewed it shouldn't be the company's business. Even if i binge drink or something and I'm acting legally they should stay out of it. The mentality of when will this start effecting your work shouldn't be a factor. Thats like saying well you are going to die one day and leave us hanging so we shouldn't hire you. Companies have termination policies in place. If you make a bad decision you can just terminate and move on. Don't hire based on the fact this may not work out years down the road.
This isn't a social media thing. Companies could ALWAYS do this. If they saw you marching for Civil Rights you could get fired. If you participated in an anti Vietnam war demonstration you could get fired. No nukes rally? FIRED! Of course, it works the other way too. White power march? FIRED. Social media has just made it easier for (1) People to express their opinions (or act like idiots) and (2) For the entire world, their employer included, to see those opinions (or actions). Freedom of Speech does not equal Freedom from Responsibility.
Idk why, but the pointy elbows are so funny to me. Especially when Veronice rests her arms on the chair......So random Ik, but I love these videos. I love how Veronica shut the conversation down with words.
I'm not a lawyer, but the First Amendment WOULD NOT APPLY HERE. America's right to free speech is a defense against the U.S. government censoring or retaliating against you - it has nothing to do with what private corporations may or may not do with regard to your speech.
@@Temulon Yawn. You're not very good at this.There aren't actually criminal sanctions for libel or slander and those cases would be heard in a civil, not a criminal court. Those laws exist to allow people to defend their reputations in court.
You missed the point. A company cannot arbitrarily threaten or intimidate an employee, that would be creating a hostile work environment. By the management's own admission, Veronica did not break any company policy or harm the company's interests in any way. Companies can implement social media policies, but they need to be well-defined and not be in breach of reasonable expectations. For example, a company can prohibit people from speaking ill of the company in public, from engaging in activities that would bring disrepute to a company, from discussing sensitive projects and ideas in development as that could harm the company's bottom line, especially if competitors use that information to one-up them. For the most part, an ethical company has no issue with what people say or do in their personal lives so long as the company is not tied directly to it. Even not-quite-so-ethical companies will generally avoid pursuing this as it will cost them time, money and human resources that could be better invested.
@@Bunnyroo7 If you are in an At-Will state, which most are, they can fire you for *any* reason that doesn't violate a protected class or reason. That could include, the boss seeing you wear a shirt in support of a team he doesn't like. Or yes, even social media.
Stop using the first amendment where it's not applicable! Veronica is wrong on this one, the first amendment protects you from the government and that is it.
Free speech only applies to government regulation. A lawyer wouldn't really do anything in this scenario as free speech laws do not really apply to a private business unless it violates a very specific labor law.
Yes and no. In this case, the company has a well-defined policy of what it will and will not tolerate. That policy is also binding for the company. Discussing labour laws and worker rights is protected speech. Because the company cannot prove, by their own admission, that Veronica broke any policies, they have no leg to stand on.
Maybe she doesn't care. Maybe she knows that a person is far more likely to get promoted by getting a higher level job somewhere else and changing jobs than by applying for a promotion at their current employer.
Well, if she never gets promoted she can move on. The important thing is to stand up for yourself and know what YOUR rights are as an employee. I wish they had veronika when I was in the workforce.
Actually no private company has to respect anyone's right to the freedom of speech. I would stay with you the rest of the video where she was fired and escorted out of the building by security
That's not what Right to Free Speech is. No private company can infringe on your right to free speech, only the government can. The company most likely doesn't have a case here but free speech isn't the reason.
Actually, that's reversed. The freedom of speech is protected by the first amendment, and shall not be informed by the government. A private company however, has its own image, policies, regarding speech, expression, etc. And while the citizens will use whatever they can to fight for their civil rights, and use all resources available to maintain fair labor practices, that still doesn't change the fact that a private company has its own rules, and will enforce said rules.
but get rid of here. When they get tired of here crap all the time. P: Veronika, what time is it? V: You don't have no watch? P: No I.... V: Well go get a watch, Its not my job to give you the time! Every single time for every little thing veronika is a PITA.
If Veronica doesn’t name the company, the employees, or the products, she ought to be free to post as she wishes to the extent that the law permits. And would be a good idea to block employees of her company from her RU-vid or TikTok account
How would HR even know? I have never seen anything identifiable to a specific company or person, as far as I know even the Veronica name is fictitious, the characters are stick figures. I just want to know what paranoid manager sees these videos and then asks the employee if this is them?
I've filled out job applications that demand to know what all your social media account names are, and you'd better have some because if not they will say you're lying and not hire you. (So I give them the name of one of my accounts where almost everything is private, so you can see I'm there, but only friends can see what I say.)
@@tmf866 Who knows, maybe Veronica can make something on this. I haven't had any employers ask me for my social media presence/account names. They have let me know that if something should come up they would investigate for any mentions of who I worked for or mentions of other employees and that could become grounds for dismissal. Fine by me, never talk about them, no problems.
