Man as a trucker who struggled with backing when I first started I appreciate the random trucker who got out and helped me and explained to me backing in a way that I got he greatly improved my backing skills sometimes people just need help instead of being humiliated
I bet you didn't have that much trouble and hit stuff though Dishon. That was horrible and I know because I'm only into my first week of driving rigs with trailers. We have one rig that has two trailers attached but fortunately I don't have to back it in anywhere.
I just been driving for about 8 months now and I still remember and thank all the other truck driver that help me and show me different ways of back …. Thanks to All the OG in the trucking field that will help ☺️
My trainer RAY LATORNIEAU(I know I butchered his name) WAS THE BEST TRAINER ANY NEW DRIVER COULD HAVE. He was from Michigan…I WILL NEVER FORGET HIM!! Thank you Ray. 2003
Before you judge, remember we were all rookies at one time and I'm sure each and everyone of us has been through this before and we've all made bonehead mistakes. It's just part of the learning process.
We've all been through our shit, but this is inexcusable and you know it!!!!!!!!!! He deserves to be judged fully! He did not do ANYTHING to actually make corrections to make the appropriate maneuvers to hit this dock, and avoid any of this he essentially just kept scraping it and forced it over, probably made some bald spots on his trailer tires too. The most inexcusable part about this is he didn't GOAL. Not one god damn time did he GOAL, this could have been avoided if he just got out and looked and we all know he was damn well unsure, hesitating. Ridiculous. Absolutely POOR training, and this never should have happened. This he did intentionally, and think he either will just get away with it or he genuinely does not give two shits. He fully deserves to be judged. This is beyond ridiculous and rookie mistakes.
@@robertgardner4508 I get that. What I'm saying is it's easy for us experienced drivers to laugh at his poor backing skills while forgetting that we were once rookies too. We've all had a hard time backing into spots. I've been driving trucks for 28 years and backing to me is second nature. But it wasn't when I first started. It just takes time for that skill to develope. Yes he should've gotten out and looked. I do fault him for that. But I also blame it on incompetent trainers.
@@garychesser5277 Bruh driving school teaches only enough to pass the CDL test with cones. Not how to back into real world docks and situations and do the actual job lol.
For The creator of this channel: your final thought was nothing constructive. I was rooting for this man so he can get a job done, he struggled and you didn’t offer help, that broke my heart, I hope you help somebody else next time, all the best to you sir.
That's the name of the game these days. Film and criticize. Helping is not cool anymore I guess. I originally got my license in the military. We were all about helping each other. I just started using my CDL in the civilian world this year and it is true culture shock.
True I would've given the camera to the driver and told him to film me backing it in, then he would've been able to see how it's supposed to be done.fuck filming the poor guys struggle rather just back it for him.
NOT offering free help to drivers who can't back, Is the most valuable help you can give them. While you were "Rooting for this man so he can get a job done." I was rooting for this man so he can stop, Get out the fucking truck and get his ass into a school so he don't end up killing anyone"
I've been driving for 35 years myself, and I was hired by a truck driving school to teach new drivers, however when I found out that we would only be allowed to teach only enough to pass a DMV road test such as cornering and straight line backing, and not able to teach angled backing or other techniques,such as tandem slide weight formulas, I decided not to take the position, and walked out the door !!! That's why we see so many people nowadays driving Trucks with the mentality of driving a car !!!
@@ct8756 great! The pre trip for me was the airbrakes of course and the instructor picked me to explain the pretrip of the trailer. Backing up skills test consisted of straight back, offset, and alley dock. Did all of them near effortlessly. On road Driving went great as well. Passed easy. Do you have your test soon?
A little compassion goes a long way. This person needed help BAD! Instead of sitting and watching him/her struggle for over 30mins you could’ve got down and helped him/her since you’re such a pro 🤷🏽♀️. We were all rookies at one point.
I work for PAM, you can tell he's a newbie, and those units have the worst transmissions of all, they jump hard into gear when backing and pulling forward. The location of the dock right there on the street is a problem and unsafe by itself. And yes the driver needs more training. That being said, I hope when you need help, someone helps you and not just sit there and video your struggles.
@@jaypos444 , sensitive much? It's called "entertainment ." Even when I was a rookie, I had this thing called common sense, and understood the concept of a proper set up. The only back that ever got me was a blind side at the Ralph's DC in Compton, CA. That was like my second load. Yeah it took about 20 min., but I have this other quality, called "confidence. "
as a manager of a large CDL school in IL, I am only saddened by the fact that he did not GOAL. he should have gotten out several times to scope out the situation. a video like this is helpful to brand new drivers to realize sometimes there will NOT be anyone available or willing (sad) to help you out...but you can Always GOAL! Safe driving everyone! : )
Exactly, If there is no one outside of your truck willing to help you, Guess what? you can become the guy outside of the truck who is willing to help yourself, Just by getting out and looking
Naw, I have fucked up like missed my exit, turned down wrong roads, curbed a tire, but THIS I HAVE NOT EVER DONE. He should have just got out of his truck and cried, smoked a cigarette, and then THOUGHT ABOUT HIS TRAINING. U MUST TO THE WILL TOWARDS THE TROUBLE. And I guarantee the driver thinks he is smarter than me.
I learned my lesson from helping drivers like this. Tried to help a guy im telling him to get underneath the trailer he keeps cutting the trailer hes not listening I tell him to stop he dont listen then boom ripped the fender off a truck. Than tried to blame me for the accident to his insurance company. So if you can't back after school/training stay off the road. I will no longer help anyone after that incident.
It’s not about being a rookie. It’s about “you keep doing the same method over and over”. Always back towards your left. He is backing towards his right. He can’t see over there. I’m new and I know I can drive down the street and find a way around so I can approach the dock from my left. Stop being soft and sensible, not sensitive
Tandems being slid forward could've cut that time nearly in half...and someone turning the camera off and actually assisting him could've made that entire scenario a few minutes.
You know what happens next... the shipper comes out and tells him.. ' sorry man but youre at wrong door. You need to go back up at door 12 on the other side ' 🤣
He actually had it a few times. His pull-ups were just a repeat He kept turning the wheel the wrong way. I felt sorry him. He never got out to see how he was positioned. The guy that videod this should have given him some guidance
Not everybody appreciates the help, and this driver is so poorly trained that you might as well do it for him, no fault of his own imo, it has been done, people do it, but the ego usually gets in their way.
Back in 2008 while doing my very first load, I struggled at a truck stop for about 15 minutes trying to park. Meanwhile there was a thick line of trucks behind me. I finally approached the truck behind me and offered him $20 to back for me. He refused the money, but put my truck in the spot easily. “I’ve been there” is what he said as I thanked him…
I knew a woman, o/op lease, for almost half a decade, couldn't back, and she did that, forking over a $20, all the time. THAT scared the crap outta me as I was struggling at the time. 😱
As a newbie (Been otr 2 months now) I struggle with backing, but I GOAL no matter how many times it takes me. I’m thankful for the random help I’ve received on the roads, I help spot truckers when I see them struggling. I feel sorry for dude, but this is kind of careless 😂😂
THIS VIDEO MADE ME SO UPSET , I remember when this was the scariest thing in the world even now it takes me time as long as you don’t hit anything you good but you seen this dude struggle wow breaks my heart
Still remember one my first live loads. Couldn't get in the dock on my own and finally asked another driver to help. When started helping, several others joined in and when I got it parked at the dock they all started clapping and just being really supportive. Will never forget that day. Wish more people would do that instead of recording and laughing about another driver having a hard time. We all had to start somewhere.
Even if its his first day he should have known better! First off his tandems should not be that far back and secondly he should have gotten out and looked multiple times to make sure he didn't hit anything! How this dude even got his class A is beyond me!
These guys are given training before they leave if he felt he didn't have the adequate training to be on the road then he should have said something it's not cameramans responsibility.
@@lilnarm_smoothblaze EXACTLY! Also I don't agree with spotting anyone unless you know them personally, because when you start helping you become liable also! Now there are exceptions to this but this guy should not be behind the wheel of a big truck at all!
Man, fresh out of school and by myself? It was nothing but the Grace of God and old school truckers that help me with my alley docking, I like to call them "Truck Angels" boy did they help me not quit, they even told me funny stories of there first year's of alley docking, last week someone asked me to help them alley dock and I have to say it put the biggest smile on my face to be able to help him. They don't teach what he's doing in school
Not gone lie😔 my first 2-3months driving by myself I took my ass to rest areas only for the night!! I refused to pull up at a truck stop with other vehicles to try to back knowing I wasn't that good. School teaches us how to pass a test! THATS IT!! I had to make multiple pick ups and deliveries first before I got comfortable backing in at truck stops. I used to get nervous about where my load would be. Now I'm bold enough to pull up anywhere. I've always loved the challenge. I literally love the thought process I go thru when pickin a spot to back in. It takes time and consistency
@@angelw8791 no your not lol. With trucking you MUST put your pride aside. It's been 7months for me so far and I have no accidents and it takes 10min TOPS for me to find and back into a spot
I was the same way man. Only stopped at rest areas during night time. But after a few months I developed the confidence to park at truck stops at night. Now that I’m local, I have no issues with backing up. I’m also pretty decent with blind side backing
Same for me, I'm a new driver my backing is not very good. I do not rush nor I keep myself seated while backing, I go out and take a look many times. I generally go to shipper/receiver before backing in and ask them to be patient with me as I might take some extra time. Sometimes I feel proud of myself when I back up quick and in couple of shots but some time I really make mess of it. Every new guy do it, its all part of this carrer.
Over a decade, and I have yet to back an entire rig at a truckstop. Ain't worth it. Pull in, or beside. Dunno, I'm weird. One good crappy refer put me in a bad frame of mind regarding 'sleeping' there.
His two biggest mistakes were he initially cut too soon and he's trying to back in with his tandems all the way back. I say get in the dock then slide the tandems. He could be a new, inexperienced drive. I hope he gets better with time and practice.
It’s actually best to back with your tandems all they back so the trailer will turn quicker the only reason it’s not working in his favor because like u said he’s cutting it to soon and he keeps turning his wheel to the left
@@Nofelon- But it takes alot more space to maneuver. I've been driving 17 years and I'm really good at backing up just about anything including b trains but its whatever you get use to. I hated backing up tandems with the boogies all the way back. I now pull a quad with up to 86,000 lbs of freight, I just wish my truck would cooperate with that kind of weight. Lol.
@@Nofelon- if you need your tandems all the way to the rear, you want to do that AFTER you are lined up to the dock. There sometimes are cases where doing it before is better, but not very often.
@@Nofelon- the trailer dont cut quicker when he's in the 12th hole. He shouldve put it in 4-6 hole. Especially in tight spacing. All the way back like that takes longer for the trailer to respond
One of the most important rules for newbies to veterans GOAL.. Get Out And Look.. could have saved him all this struggling and stress. Also your initial setup is key for any maneuver and keeping your cool,,, think about what you want your trailer to do and where it needs to go. He finally got it but he's going to damage more property in the future by not getting out and looking what's going on the blind side... As a new trucker myself this gave me anxiety hearing the ICC/crash bar scrape the wall. Someone also mentioned this too his tandems are too far back at that point. Wish someone would've helped but guess he or she will learn thru trial and error. Godspeed..
All future truckers that watch this take one note from it, he never got out to look not one time.. Get Out And Look..! We've all been stuck at some point in our career and i know that's what helped me and i got better..
TL;DR WE all make mistakes.... Sure, but this is something that should not happen. The first thing that would've helped him would've been to GOAL (GET OUT AND LOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and assess the situation he is in and how to correct it. Sure having someone to help is nice, but if he couldn't even figure that shit out by him self. He should not be a truck driver. This is not the industry for him, if he can't assess even a situation such as that. (i.e. Sliding tandems front, GOAL, assessing the correction needed to get the trailer in a better position, re-setting up his back.) He should've been trained, sure we are all newbies at some point but when you see shit like this. There is no excuse, and I am not wrong. Nobody uses GOAL idc how experienced you are but if you're a fresh fish like this guy, it's the BEST TOOL you have available to you, and it's easy to DO! He also did not consider sliding tandems, if he was struggling to push the trailer. He has really poor pedal control for his what seems to be an Eaton trans, (which that skill comes with time, but you'd think to just ease up if you feel it getting ready to jolt.) But in all honestly, he also kept just trying to same thing over and over and over, until essentially he just forced the trailer over, damaging company property (PAM's trailer, and the consignee's concrete barrier) which ofc those aren't going to really be hurt but still damaging. If he just got the fuck out of his god damn truck.... And LOOKED at this position he was in, and actually THOUGHT about it. The stress could've been reduced, and this all could have been 1000000x smoother, and avoided. He is HIGHLY undertrained, and yes he is having a hard time because he uses no tool available to him to help him figure it out. You're a trucker? Shit sucks for you... People aren't always there to help and even when they are, they probably don't want to leave their AC. So in all honestly. If he just got the fuck out and looked, actually took a moment to think about the situation he is in. This could have been avoided entirely, any newb with decent training and actually decided to utilize GOAL would have figured this out. It's not a terribly difficult back either. Shit if the guy was in his truck, all's he had to do if he was so unsure was just GO UP and ask for help. It's not that hard. So this guy is incredibly undertrained, did not give a shit and does not care that he damages property. He should not be a truck driver if he thinks what he did here was acceptable. PAM is going to knock a good bit of preventable on his record too.
Wow! You are really something! I just realized you are a driver and didn't offer any help! I am thankful that I never met several 56 drivers who helped me when I needed it. When I first started driving. I am a better drive because of the one who took the time to instruck and i learn..Thank God I did not ever meet up with you! My heart went out to this driver! Proud of him. U
Bless his heart. You can tell he's getting frustrated. He's at the point where he just knocking into the guardrail and just being hard on the truck in general. Probably just a young guy that needs some direction.
I've always hated backing, even after 22yrs. I realize I don't have the spatial talent some truckers seem to have naturally so I work around it by not being in a hurry and getting out to look. I feel bad for that poor guy 😔
I’ve been driving since the 90s still have problems sometimes especially in tight spot my depth perception is not that good along with the fear I’m gonna hit something on my blind side. I’ll look for the easiest spot first
Don't give up on asking trainers questions. Maybe try something like - you have lot of experience with this situation what could I have done better next time I am in the same situation. People like being asked about their expertise, they don't like be asked the same question 3 times.
As someone who has had that same situation, it’s admirable that he remained calm and sorted through it. It’s like re teeing a golf ball on the 1st tee for the 25th time with the whole gallery giggling at you.
His biggest issue I saw, besides not getting out and looking, was that he kept turning the wheel left every time he backed up. He could have had it so many times.
That's what I said he didn't get out the tandems all the way back and the doors are closed I have my CLP and to make those adjustments to where I wouldn't be scraping against that barrier wall whatever it is but he keeps favoring the left that's my question why is he favoring that left pulling it forward to the left all the time and keep doing the same thing over makes me want to just jump through the screen and just get out of the car get get I got this I'll do this for you. But there is nobody in this place that can actually help this guy the wave him or guide him in he should be able to just pull right straight and then back in straight he almost had it there for a few seconds and then it went horribly wrong and then he kept doing it over and over again but I know if I have gotten my CDL I would definitely help somebody that's in this kind of predicament either in a truck stop or this type of backing situation because I backed in trucks before I have that experience and so far nothing was broken no damage to the trailer or building so I do have that ability to guide somebody back but I do agree there should be somebody there out there to help this person but he didn't also get out and look either to see what his situation was and I think it has to do something with his mirrors either he's sitting too low and he can't really see that well or he's sitting too high the only thing I could come up with that is the mirrors are off you're backing is going to be off well plus the fact that he has a tandem all the way back and I'm pretty sure that's adding to the problem and again the doors closed just keep this in mind too.
A shout out from kansas, thank all of you truckers. I appreciate all of you. Always try to give you the right of way and any help that I can. AMERICA MOVES BY TRUCKS
First of all put your tandems forward. They might want it in the back to off load but no one will say anything if you want them forward to put it in the hole. 2nd of all congratulations you did it. Had a driver that couldn’t get it in had to send another driver out there to put it in. Good job
I would say, other than worry about backing off a street. This dock is not terribly difficult. You just have to watch your front for the guard rail, and get that trailer in a good position to get it in and under it. But really if the guy slid his tandems up all the way he could have made it a lot easier for himself. If it's too tight, or you don't feel you can do it. Always get out and look, when in doubt and slide those tandems forwards, then slide them back after you dock!
Today I backed up for the first time with the help of my father. I backed up about 5 times before I got it right. If it wasn’t for him It would have taken me longer.
I bet that truck driver remembers that one ... their is always a first time in each trade.... first it's a hard time and with times, it becomes a souvenir.
I've had to back into places that were design for older trucks not the longer 53' trailers. It's frustrating, and those companies won't do any mods to change that. I can relate to this driver.
From the camera angle it is hard to see the hole he is backing into, if those wing walls of concrete were cut back 6ft. Would be easier getting in their, also some painted lines would help too get the trailer lined up with the hole.
When I started driving, I work for Pep===si. I didn't know how to back-up. So, I never back up. Later, the company was going to have a driver's rodeo. By that time, I could back up to anything.
Man, I feel for the guy. I remember my fist few load, it took me 45 minutes to dock. And man those wearhouse people did the same to me. Asking me to move, because the door doesn't work. I feel they enjoy see me struggling just like this wearhouse guy.
This is hard to watch. I’ve been driving for over 11 years, and I still make mistakes, and I still remember what it is like to be a nervous rookie, but this is way beyond mistakes. I’m not going to bad mouth the driver, because this is all down to a lack of proper training. He should never passed a test given that he seem to have zero understanding of even the basics of reversing. His first mistake was his set up, he cut left towards the road too early. He should have occupied his space and gone further right before turning. That said, even where he turned, it still should have been doable. There was nothing difficult or challenging about this dock. It was frustrating too that when he finally had a good line up several times and all he needed to do was float his trailer back with a few minor corrections. Instead he continuously turned he wheel the wrong way and too far. I’m sure he was frustrated, nervous, flustered and quite possibly over worked, but the level of basic mistakes was hard to watch. And for everyone talking about his tandem position - honestly, with his lack of basic skills, I doubt it would have made any difference wherever his tandems had been. I think he have still struggled. I squarely blame wherever he got his CDL originally, and his company and trainer when he first went out on the road. This poor fella needs an experienced trainer to spend a lot of time practicing maneuvering. He should not be out on the road on his own.
BLAME THOSE WHO GAVE HIM A CDL.............WOULDN'T THAT BE OUR WONDERFUL ALL PROTECTING GOV'T................THOSE WHE CARE ABOUT US.............AND LOOK WHAT THEY SEND OUT ON THE ROAD OPERATING THESE RIGS...............SO WHAT GOOD IS ALL THIS USELESS CDL GOV'T GARBAG E CLASSROOM TRAINING...............EXPERIENCE AND COMMO SENSE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,NOTHING BEATS IT............
I beg to differ, the blame behind with the trainer, and it goes up from there, not the other way around. The government is not our daddy, it's a monster that only serves itself, don't expect anything good from it, we need to re- learn to take responsibility for our own actions, in this case starting with the driver, he's not a child and he should, does know potentially very injurious piece of equipment, he needed to say "I'm not ready to take on this responsibility"... that is not on me, you, the trainer, the government but on HIM!
Yeah he’s not ready to be solo yet he struck that block like 8 times hasn’t bothered to get out and look at what he’s hitting either and why he’s manuevering with the tandems all the way back is beyond me too also has a dot violation on the tractor missing mudflap
Always try and get a good set up !! His approach wasn’t the best ,a bad set up will have you fighting all the time ,if you don’t know the angle of the dangle If possible he should’ve made his approach from the right. If that’s not possible and he had to come from the rear of the building then slowly hook right then left and jack it in Always stop and think Don’t let the dock guy tell you what you should be doing
I just recently started as a diesel mechanic. We have so many trucks and trailers, the mirrors on the trucks are only about 6 to 9 inches from each other by time I get my tractor-trailers backed in. I'm getting better quickly after having a bit of trouble at first. I'm still into only my first week of driving the rigs with trailers attached. I learned something from this video..... that is, I'm an absolute pro at this already compared to this fella that drives them all day long. Haha!
Driving for over 30yrs, I never really drove down steep declines, but the other day I did with a heavy load, Needless to say, I smoked the brakes, not as bad to run away, but that was really the first time I drove down a steep incline, So my point everyone gets better with time
Also remember as experienced drivers, these are the guys were driving next to on 70mph highway in the ice and rain , down 6% grades , narrow lane roads , Scary , isn't it.
AMEN,,,,,,,,,MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY.................IT'S MORE THAN SCARY,,,,,,,,,,,,,,IT''S DANGEROUS BEING NEXT TO ONE OF THESE GUYS ON THE ROAD,,,,,,,,,,,,I MOVE AWAY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE................
Funny you say that unfortunately even the most ridiculous accidents that Happen are even from the most experienced truck driver’s who are simply over confident.. it’s not just the rookies..but yes this guy simply just needs a little more training..
@@michaelmelendez8567 Agreed , but I'll add, cockiness equals to inexperience , over confidence doesn't equal to experience , it's just a mental state , not hands on in the field experience.
It's past midnight, now April 1st, 2022 and I'm yelling at my screen each time the driver bangs the dock with his ICC bar! Hard to watch. Damn, I remember struggling to dock but thank God I wasn't crashing into things. This driver just needed help and encouragement.
He probably made his cdl license at home good thing that little barrier was there he would have drive through the damn building...get your ass out and look 😳
Rookie here (Me). As I see it the driver did not use all of his available space on his initial setup. I would have hugged everything on my right side as close as I could and then made the swing to the left to a possible straight back or at the very least a sight side back. Fellow Drivers correct me if I am wrong as I need to learn these kinds of things myself.
I'm gonna toss in my 1 cent. This guy is not driving the trailer. The trailer is driving him. He is definitely making moves with guess work and then crashing into the wall. I would be scared to help this guy out cause he will blame you when he crashes. A few times he had a perfect line up with a simple alley dock maneuver and he turns the wheel in wrong direction...bottom line is he cannot back and probably very nervous. I think I would have left him be. Maybe given some pointers. But not actively help
Yup. I remember my first day. But aside from being unskilled looks like the light plug is not plugged in. 2000 brake applications and the lights didn't flash once.
If only we could call Superman to come down to Earth to LIFT and POSITION the back of his trailer to... - " Supermaaaaannnn !! Heeeelp ME pleeeaaase ! " (Pam driver, praying) - " Can't come ! The wall is built with Kryptonite.... Harmful to meeeeeeee !... " (Superman, losing it's force) - " Hold my beer !... " (warehouse employee) 👍
@@billw2710 that’s true but this how I always did! If it was a weird spot and I had a better chance getting it in with them moved forward I’ll move them where I was good at and once I had it straight then I slid it back to the back
