VETERAN PATTON UNBOXING - GIRTHY!

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@tomallo99 Год назад

Huge plus for your calculations regarding the maximum charging currents for battery longevity, thanks for that

@kuleabondallian2163 Год назад

now lets get a 10" rim 25kg Veteran wheel for us people that really need the practical footprint size from an EUC, but were instantly turned off by the specs of Begode's A2.

@oldretireddude Год назад

Looking forward to your impressions. This is the first wheel that really has got me interested in buying another wheel since 2020.

@Mpower31 Год назад

Harder than me in the morning (jump pad) 😅 nice Adam 😄

@TaiLegend Год назад

I flew to the comments the very frame I heard that lmao. Hilarious 😂

@Mpower31 Год назад

@@TaiLegend couldn't let it slide

@RonnieRides Год назад

Thanks for the video. OS Tilt Back % is PWM tiltback! A first on LeaperKim wheels, it's fantastic.

@dirt.surfer Год назад

I get that most riders are going to have a personal preferences for pedals, pads, seats ect. However for the price we pay for EUCs today, these companies need to do better. Adam i hear you mention BMS alot and you are correct. Begode at the very least provides pedals that many riders actually use, and it seems they are trying things with pads. Like the v13 is 6k (Canada) a brand new kawasaki ninja starts around 7100, I expect inmotion to have some e-rides ironman equivalent pedals and some proper pads, and a BMS. After you purchased pads, ferrings, pedals, you are beyond the price of a kawasaki ninja.

@mgzus366 Год назад

also there's some other stuff needs to be mentioned. For example the price of used electro car like Nissan Leaf. Not talking about comfort, passengers you can take with. But about quality of manufacturing or amount of technologies used. Also the reliability of it is more

@dirt.surfer Год назад

@mgzus366 yeah exactly. I'm about done with EUCs at this time. I have a s22 and you can't go 300 km on it without something breaking, I have to listen to a popping bearing because build quality, I'm sure my board will go next at that point I'm throwing it out. S22 after fearings, pads, pedals ect. I'm sitting at around 6600 spent total. Wtf am I doing.

@jansvoboda9778 Год назад

About charging is not only about batery posibility is about conector too. Many conectors is on edge of heat around 6 Amps be carefull and respect manufacturer euc how many is alowed !

@VECTOR_Coasters Год назад

that clip of you in the elevator with like 5 wheel boxes was great lmao

@A-Viking Год назад

"..so I have more money for stupid stuff..." lol "Mr Wrongway gets more funnier with age :)

@mr_wrongway Год назад

I am ripening, hopefully I don’t get over ripe and decay 😂

@oliverer3 Год назад

I'd hazard a guess and say that the "battery over pressure alarm" is the overvoltage warning; if memory serves voltage is often miss translated to pressure from Chinese to English. I at least see it fairly often in Chinese datasheets.

@hi--tEk Год назад

Just ride.stop nerding 😂

@arevee9429 Год назад

An alarm decoder! That's a good thing. And I have seen the dreaded "bt LoY" code on my Sherman Max. And it really did mean "Battery Pack Over" - it needed to be replaced to fix.

@GranDemo2 Год назад

i feel like with those 15A max charge rate you could actually try and go make a long trip with the wheel, hmm... A couple of stops and that's it! I mean, for something like 350km or so. Not bad... Although it might not be the best for batteries xD But idk, just letting imagination fly haha Nice video Adam! ^^ Great wheel (a bit too pricy tho, but there are options out there for every pocket, so nice)

@hi--tEk Год назад

Your in the wrong hobby if your worried about prices mate

@GranDemo2 Год назад

@@hi--tEk Yeah, we've been learning that trough all these years

@mmakid Год назад

cannot wait to hear your initial thoughts 😊😊😊😊😊

@cappiekillmore7754 Год назад

Thank you.

@Boolai Год назад

Cool review!!

@peterrusso7336 Год назад

6:32 the sniff makes it seem like you're sniffing out the tape measure 😂

@pierrelhussiez1865 Год назад

Merci ! Vivement la prochaine review

@nativeme2143 Год назад

"not too heavy" - no man, it's just that new bicep 😆

@mr_wrongway Год назад

Lol might be true. Ordered it online and the new bicep works well

@nativeme2143 Год назад

@@mr_wrongway Haha, hope the link is in the description

@tanknd804 Год назад

Heyyyy....looks like im 1st!😂 I'm glad to see that you got this to review! Been waiting to hear whT you have to sY!

@PirateOnYoutube Год назад

Some Ancient Knowledge: battery with higher discharge power like 40T like to be charge at 0.5C ( lower than this will have shorten life span ) , while high capacity like 50T like 0,25C ( above this will shorten their life span ). So yeah, basically we can fully recharge 4kWh EUC in ~4H ( if ocourse wires and BMS will handle 1.1kW xD )

@theodoresmith3353 Год назад

Recently ordered one of these and a lectric cargo bike so i can strap this to the back of the bike. Like having a sports car in my SUV lol. Gonna have to fabricate something specifically to hold it.

@oliverer3 Год назад

I can put into words how much I love this simile. xD

@saltlife316 Год назад

all i want to know how does it stack up to the s22 pro for off-roading, jumps etc, can this do mike leahy sh!t?

@esk8unity Год назад

might be my first suspension wheel

@Onelastrun Год назад

Only thing I can see that is terrible about the patton is the maintenence. And the fact that they prolly could lose 5 lbs if they found a way to use less screws. Thanks for the video

@jansvoboda9778 Год назад

Os tiltback is PWM tiltback based on batery voltage like inmotion adaptive tiltback

@mr_wrongway Год назад

Ok awesome! I had this thought but I wasn’t sure!

@oliverer3 Год назад

I've already fallen head over heels for this wheel, it basically solves all the problems with my previous wheel (on paper at least), and the biggest point in its favor, it's not made by Begode! It's also just within the price range I'm willing to stretch to even if it hurts. Just gonna have to do some strength training...

@Blox117 Год назад

2100wh solves your problems?

@submijiru Год назад

@@Blox117 I have a S18, and 2kWh solves all of mine except still being broke :3

@Blox117 Год назад

@@submijiru obviously, the s18 is slow

@oliverer3 Год назад

@@Blox117 yes actually just needed a tiny bit more range than I had to get to anywhere I'd want on one charge and given how fast this thing can charge if need be charging while stopping for lunch wouldn't be out of the question. I just can't deal with the additional weight of a bigger battery, otherwise I'd have gotten the Sherman S.

@Blox117 Год назад

@@oliverer3 or just have swappable batteries because the batteries are on the outside now that we've moved to suspension wheels

@eprohoda Год назад

ho’s life?! buddy, like- what a perfect job- 😯

@ihuliige6776 Год назад

5A, 126V charger is already quite good.

@mr_wrongway Год назад

Yep! Not too bad!

@dirt.surfer Год назад

Yeah I use a s22 and honestly it's not bad at all.

@Warxcell Год назад

OS tilt back maybe is PWM tiltback?

@Blox117 Год назад

hard to find 30s bms. 2100wh is very small for such a powerful and high speed

@grzib Год назад

Badass beard bruv

@mr_wrongway Год назад

Thanks dude!

@DonovanWert Год назад

Love my Sherman S❤

@berataltinbas9904 Год назад

Nice wheels ❤

@mattca353 Год назад

I was a bit surprised by the supported charging speed. Not sure why they only set the Sherman S with a higher supported speed. You mentioned that the S can do 20 amps, without issues I guess? How many times your S has been charged at this rate? Curious to know as I am a long range rider.

@mr_wrongway Год назад

Yes me too! I never did this, I don’t do such big distances on one wheel daily. But maybe I’ll try to do one long distance haul to check how it works :)

@mattca353 Год назад

@@mr_wrongway yeah, daily I dont do much, sometimes I often do 40/50km if weather is really nice. But during weekends, I sometimes make 180-240km road trips (with a few 360km trips planned this summer). With the S, I'd say 200km at 35-40kmh is the sweet spots if charging at 15 amp during snacks/pitstop, so that you dont really wait for the wheel to charge. If the Sherman S can do reliably more than 15 amps, then the range so that you dont wait for the wheel would be more.

@lap87 Год назад

How long until the Wrong Way co-developed wheel hits market? Would love to see wheels in the future being made with the same careful design and testing as cars, to force manufacturers to figure out constantly better ways to do things.

@submijiru Год назад

My best guess, based on the Sherman S, is this smaller battery config is 2s15s3p. [edit: It's 4P. ] And using Samsung 21700 50E cells. I believe the two temperature sensors became an absolute necessity when Veteran chose those cells. Running the 3000W motor with the cells Veteran chose is probably fine, but Samsung spec indicates 14.4A [edit: 3C is 14700mA] pulse ONLY when under 60°C. That's "only" a 5.4kW pulse for a motor that can do peak 7kW with a 8p config. [edit: It's actually 5292W@90V, 6403W@108.9V, 7408W@126V] I hope I'm either wrong about this or... [edit: I was somewhat wrong about this, but with these 50E cells this pack will still wear a lot faster]

@oliverer3 Год назад

Doing the math gives me a peak-rated burst output of 6350W at the nominal voltage or 7408W at full charge. It's worth noting however that the max-rated non-continuous discharge current on these cells is still for many seconds (or even minutes if you happened to have active cooling). Actual pulse currents

@submijiru Год назад

@@oliverer3 Yeah 4p makes more sense. I didn't divide by nominal voltage and assumed it was a 3p. edit: Still, with a 3000W motor it's still pulling over 1C. Not good for these cells. Meanwhile a 50S exists and at 1.2C it's much better match for the Patton in this s30p4 configuration. (But more expensive, maybe, maaaybe, add 500 cost but probably a lot less and for a $3000 wheel I don't see why Leaperkim is cutting costs here by using the same cells.) Imo I wouldn't push this battery past 30%, store it at ~100V and put time between charging and riding as much as possible. And not fast charge ever.

@znail4675 Год назад

Heh, I always worry when there are parts left over!

@mikeswehla2709 Год назад

Upon initial impressions, Does it seem too short for seated riding?

@mr_wrongway Год назад

No it’s awesome for seated riding

@slidersgliders5516 Год назад

👍 keeping it wheel ✌️

@phyrknight Год назад

What is a smart PMS? Great content 🤘

@liamsykes4380 Год назад

BMS - battery management system If you want to Google it

@mr_wrongway Год назад

A battery management system that makes sure that all battery pack components are working as intended

@dirt.surfer Год назад

That's when a woman's menstrual cycle has less lashback.

@freeforester1717 Год назад

03:20 - that’s what she said!😂

@EkoKolo_Katowice Год назад

Fastest way to damage battery is overheat and supercharge . Tested on phones in hot days in car . 3-4 times with hot phone and big capacity loss .

@gritred5500 Год назад

As the battery size is same as you have on the S22 (e wheels used a smaller capacity higher discharge) and riders seem to like that wheel I see no reason why this gets criticism for the battery size? Would this benefit from an even higher discharge pack.

@oliverer3 Год назад

I think it's two-fold, people are used to Veteran wheels having the largest batteries and Leaper Kim seems to have rated the range of this wheel much closer to real-world figures combined with the slightly lower efficiency of a smaller wheel diameter means it looks worse on paper. As a comparison, the InMotion V11 is rated at 120km of range with a 1500Wh battery while the Veteran Patton with 2200Wh is rated at 130km, so if you only read the spec sheets it looks pretty bad.

@visionar007 Год назад

Where can I get the 18 amp charger?

@mr_wrongway Год назад

Link in description! Sorry it wasn’t there before :)

@patrykgregorczyk2748 Год назад

Siema. Jakie kolko dla poczatkujwcych s zarazem by na dluzej starczylo i cieszylo.?

@darekmajchrzak4444 Год назад

16x

@MarcinWiecaw Год назад

Inmotion v11

@HilmiR1 Год назад

KIng Song 18XL :)

@MarcinWiecaw Год назад

Why does the Patton with a larger battery have a worse range on paper than the KingSong S19 with a smaller battery?

@mr_wrongway Год назад

That’s because it’s on paper! I’m fairly certain (yet to find out) that the Patton will have more range than s22 pro

@hi--tEk Год назад

Because it will be torquey and quick and built heavy and durable,unlike the disco s19

@BoykoYordanov Год назад

I’m enjoying a v8f and looking to upgrade to something with suspension. Any recommendations?

@dirt.surfer Год назад

Depends on what riding your after friend. Like this Patton here is really a good trail wheel, you well not have a good time at speed with a small tire, and your range won't be great but not terrible. The way this is all made you're going to have enormous torque, it will be a under 50 kph on road. If you want high quality build speed decent range v13 very heavy takes time to get used to and not very portable. S22 you well have close to same range as the Patton, you can cruise safely around 65kph. Basically almost all wheels today have suspension in them, biggest things to consider is you're use case.

@grb1969 Год назад

The S19 should be well received.

@dirt.surfer Год назад

@@grb1969 are you trolling?

@grb1969 Год назад

@@dirt.surfer I’m thinking the S19 is worth waiting for because it will attract a wider fan base. I never intend to troll, but often I’m opinionated or at worst, dismissive of poor design decisions. I find EUCs to be psychically and spiritually enriching experiences, so I advocate for consumer driven changes. I’m just curious, critical and skeptical and I’m excited to promote trends that are beneficial to the community of enthusiasts. I hope that I’m harness, so I’m open to criticism.

@dirt.surfer Год назад

@grb1969 Well, you should be aware that the tech specs are very poor. Kingsong advertised this as a commuter wheel, it won't be that unless your commute is 30 to 40km. This wheel doesn't fit anywhere. The entire design is bad. I pilot an s22 that suspension is really bad. Whatever Kingsong puts in it, you will replace that's a promise. That 3500 watt motor is not going to do well on 1700ish wh, and the whole disco crap they got going on well this is a toy. They have the same rim as a s18, I own a s18 that rim is terribly soft and well bend if you look at it same tire too and it's so bad. Same pedals as the s22, yep you well want to replace those too. I have spoke to a few dealers, they won't be getting these for sale because it's just bad in pretty much every way. This is kingsongs bud light moment. They yet to have a long range cruiser, this would have been a smart move, not making a poorly made toy.

@dockertonfpv Год назад

what does a smart BMS do besides tell you individual cell voltage?

@dirt.surfer Год назад

Manages the cell capacity and balances them accordingly

@dockertonfpv Год назад

@@dirt.surfer the passive balance board already does that, and how’s does one “manage” the call capacity. Is it actively balancing? Cause that’s a whole different thing.

@dirt.surfer Год назад

@dockertonfpv I don't believe any BMS does act8ve balancing. Would be the way though.

@mr_wrongway Год назад

Actual Smart BMS have active cell balancing. It’s awesome

@dockertonfpv Год назад

@@mr_wrongway do any wheels have this to your knowledge?

@LhunVideo Год назад

Pattu!

@theg0ldkiller Год назад

💯

@JohnDoe-ch6qy Год назад

When did you and monocat broke up?

@mr_wrongway Год назад

End of last year

@JohnDoe-ch6qy Год назад

@@mr_wrongway Kind of sad. Can tell the only reason she did youtube and EUC was because of you, now she's out 😥

@joshuacorino4072 Год назад

We have reasonable tilt back speeds: 200 kph 😂

@mr_wrongway Год назад

Uhm … rest of it is somewhat reasonable!

@omarilewis2871 Год назад

wrongway out here body shaming my next wheel. i forgive you though.

@MaximilianGros Год назад

The fact that there is no dynamic tiltback, that adjusts to the voltage, is a dealbreaker for me. I value security and my health higher than fun. I can have fun on safer wheels.

@mr_wrongway Год назад

There is PWM alarms now And i believe it’s also doing tiltback. Testing now

@mr_wrongway Год назад

This wheel is really good with showing you the limit ✅✅✅

@MaximilianGros Год назад

@@mr_wrongway Really looking forward to your review 👍

@eBoard3R Год назад

⚡👌🏼👌🏼⚡

@stevenjonathantio4922 Год назад

I'm 2nd

@stevenjonathantio4922 Год назад

Make some more vids with teh gotway Nikola plus please

@mr_wrongway Год назад

It caught fire in my friends apartment so no

@tanknd804 Год назад

@@mr_wrongway whaaat?! I have a Nikola Plus. How did it catch fire?

@mr_wrongway Год назад

@@tanknd804 it was a while ago. LG M50 battery pack. Certain batches have been recalled by Ewheels. I don’t know the specific batches of bms etc but I think at least 10 or so burned down if not more

@tanknd804 Год назад

@@mr_wrongway Damn!

@Warxcell Год назад

Newer batches uses LG M50LT (not M50T, notice the L), which seems are okay. I saw several V11 caught on fire, with same M50T cells.